Update: As promised the C8 replacement has arrived and we decided to go with a 2020 SHELBY GT500 with a handling package. Stay tuned, more content to come… Note: Without saying to much, we’re currently looking into many C8 replacemnet options and even though the Dark Horse is nothing like any other Mustang and was referenced as an example 9:24, it is not the replacement for the C8 Corvette "70th Anniversary". It goes without say that the C8 replacement will be more expensive and faster to say the least. I'll post an update once we figure out what we’re purchasing next! Stay tuned…Cheers
A dark horse is exactly like every other "crap stang!" The only mustang that's worth buying is the GT500! The dark horse is trash! Just another gimmick!
This is a strong comment that literally contradicts itself? Giving you the benefit of the doubt, let me explain. The Dark Horse and GT500 both share the following: Engine internals which is the heart of any engine, Brakes, which out brakes the Porsche GT2RS "ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Jgrmlffh_y8.htmlsi=y9vhYmgchC5dQ8v6" and the exhaust. Essentially you're saying the GT500 is a "Crap Stang and Trash" as well.
Giving a C8 up for a crappy dark house is straight lunacy! There's more than just having a more powerful car. If you really wanted to go all out, you should have gotten a 911/992 Turbo S! The dark horse is just another gimmick mustang.
I have no problem to agree to disagree, I've owned one C7 Grandsport, two C8 Corvettes and four Mustangs. As I've stated in the upload, IT was the thought process of upgrading to 750 + to the tires that was decided factor and no one can deny how much this Coyote platform has taken over the racing seen, rather you like Mustangs or not. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-38bKHfzPICM.htmlsi=TYtvrIs1SQ49E7Jq. With that being said, your absolutely correct the 911/992 Turbo S, is on the list and is by far one of my all time favorite platforms. I've had to the pleasure of driving a few and have lots of friends who own them, amazing to say the least!
You comment speaks volumes about you knowledge of performance cars typical GM fan boy there a plenty of other car makers who make amazing performance cars. GM dropped the ball on the C7Z06 with the overheating issues. The C8's including the Z06 have DCT trans problems and build quality issues. I have had 7 Vette over the last 10 years and would not own a C8 period the C7Z06/ZR1 and the C6ZR1 are the last of the real Corvettes. After owning many Vette and all of there issues there not supercar quality and do not command the prices there asking for them. My C7Z has 12k in mods cost a fraction of the new C8Z and will walk it like the dog it is the motor has no torque. Sounds cool like a wannabe 458 I would take a dark horse, GT 500 a Raptor R, TRX BMW M4 CSL and many other over a C8Z epic fail by GM as usual.
@@george4u1960 A Lemon… Bro come on that’s such an exaggeration. Less than 1% of them have transmission issues. So WTF. I’m on my second one with zero issues They are great cars overall, yeah some have had issues but so do all manufacturers of every brand. They are machines and machines break
Without saying to much as I’m we’re currently looking at many options and even though the Dark Horse is nothing like any other Mustang, it’s not the C8 replacement. The replacement will be a hell of a lot more expensive and faster. Will post an update once we figure out what we’re purchasing next! Stay tuned…
It's good to hear honest feedback on the car. I went through the same thing with the i8. The manufacturer let a lot of people down. Not all, but many, and it's something we have to talk about. There will be better cars and better experiences. I have zero, absolutely nothing, to say bad about my NSX and am so glad I switched to this platform after what I experienced in the past. Your happiness is more valuable than what the C8 has offered you.
I really appreciate your point of view bud, especially coming from your experience and overall knowledge when it comes to Sport's Cars, Supercars and Cars in general. As you said "Your happiness is more valuable than what the C8 has offered you". Couldn't have said it any better..... Cheers
Cleary you didn't watch the entire video and missed the key point, My channel nor this upload is about "Winning or losing". Simply providing my opinion based on my experiences of owning (2) C8 Corvettes and many other platforms... Cheers
And really how much power do you really need for just a common road unless you’re going to track the car how much miles do you really need to do to an engine that will flat out due 2.9 seconds and 0 to 60
When sh_ting your pants running from the cops, white seats are the worse. 😉 I will never own a C8 and I worked for Chevy Engineering. 🙂 A point from an automotive engineer about your narrative of strength of internals, both engine and trans. Cars aren't made to be modified. Most that modify stock performance cars make them worse....peakier power, less reliable and poorer driveability. The public has no idea what goes into the development of powertrains and how synergistic all the parts are. Pro tip: Buy the horsepower car you want from the factory and don't try to build it. It will be cheaper, more reliable and biggest reason is, stock cars always have higher resale than a modified performance car.
Thankfully running from an officer has never been an option Lol. Having said that, I partially agree as some cars such the Dark Horse were specially built for the track and to modify, hence is the reason why Ford introduced the GT500 internals solely.for this Coyote platform. I do agree, most of the public has no idea as to the many years of research and engineering that goes into the powertrains or cars in general. As far as the Pro Tip: I do agree it is cheaper and more reliable to leave it stock, however resale value's on high end custom builds have been selling "Barrel Jackson, sometimes way more than the stock variations. Time's have definitely changed as far as that aspect!
Good video, debated the exact same 2 cars . Weight matters way too much to go with the Coyote. The tremec makes it an absolute tough decision. Good for you, and good luck
@@jeffnoob8448 Much appreciated bud, the Dark Horse is an amazing platform to say the least. Having said that, the C8 replacement has finally arrived. We recently picked up a 2020 Shelby GT500 with an “Handling Package”, 760hp from the factory is just one of many perks! Good luck with your purchase and feel free to keep me posted. More content to come… Cheers
I had a black coupe . It was terrible to keep clean. Everything showed. We switched gears and bought the hypersonic gray HTC. Couldn’t be happier. I’m also not interested in chasing horsepower or modifying the car. That’s pointless to me. If I wanted more horsepower, I’d go ahead and get the Z06 or ZR1 when that’s released. Other option is to buy a base coupe used and send it to Lingenfelter for their supercharge kit.
Congrats on the Hypersonic Gray HTC, absolutely one of my favorite C8 colors, in addition to the Rapid Blue. Having said that I really appreciate your insight as I agree, the Z06 or the upcoming ZR1 would be the better option. Enjoy and be safe. Cheers
I am sorry but you knew the platform it was your second C8 . You just thought because you got close to MSRP for the first one the second one will be the same . It was a different time on the first one you can’t compare it . Your new car would get zero attention in Miami were I live . My C8 I out aftermarket exhaust from AWE , carbon fiber everywhere, paragon springs to lower it , HRE wheels , PPF , ceramic coating, and ceramic tints . It cost me about 20 thousand to do all that but it transformed my rapid blue C8 convertible.
I appreciate your point of view but it wasnt until recently of owning my second C8 that I wanted to upgrade to 750 RWHP. Which was notated in my upload as one of the key factors in my decision to sell. Having said that, I purchased all my cars including both C8's at MSRP. As far as purchasing a supercar, C8 etc for attention, its absolutely irrelevant when every supercar you can think of is a dime a dozen over here. You name it, it's here! With that being said, Rapid Blue was and still is one of my favorite colors. Mine was stunning to say the least and I have no doubt that yours looks amazing as well. Cheers
I am sorry if it looks like I am criticizing you . I see guys spending all types of money trying to get 30 more horsepower on the ZO6 that is beautiful, sounds amazing, but corvette left nothing on the table . I feel for what you want the ZR1 is the car my guess is that is going to start at 150 thousand MSRP about 850 horsepower. If you’re able to get that at MSRP that’s the car to get .
No worries at all bud, no apologies needed. I completely agree, spending X amount for small gains have never made sense to me, unless it was associated with someones job aka racing etc. As far as the ZR1, I"m looking into the C7 variant or possibly the C8 variant. C7 ZR1 would have to be at market value and if offered the C8 ZR1 would be at MSRP. My dealer does sell at MSRP but the availability will very difficult.
I honestly never understood these "Special Editions" on the base models as they have always just been an appearance package/option like any other option package with one exception was the convertible 427 C6 which was like the 96 Manual C4's that all got the Grand Sport LT4 motor. The most perfect example of this was the C8R when I saw that I was like cool what do you get with the R? It was just appearance you didn't get more power or better brakes, it was a C8 with an R next to it :)
this guy cant be serious your comparing a mid engine supercar to a dark horse? are you F serious?? u gave up the c8 for a dark horse? probably the dumbest move in the history of dumb moves its not even close
I appreciate the response bud but I would highly recommend listening to the full upload more carefully before posting your comment. I clearly stated that the Dark Horse was an “Example”! 9:24
I'm an everything guy Lol. I've owned many different makes and models and lord knows I've purchased way to many in the past three years. Simply put, I have a passion for all cars. Cheers...
And this is why you get the C8 Z06 man.. I’ve had a 2020 3LT Stingray for three years. Loved that car to death up until I got the 3LZ C8/Z07 5 months ago. Needless to say the Stingray is a dust collector now.
Couldn't agree more and many congrats, the Z06/Z07 package it's amazing to the say the least. My wife and I were just taking about the C8 Z06 as a potential C8 replacement, another option is an Audi R8. In the meantime we're keeping the Mustang Dark Horse as it's completely underrated and well worth the money. Fingers crossed we'll see what happens.
@@vincenguyen2956 Great question, the C8 is an amazing platform in a stock configuration. As a racer of many years, Its always nice to have the option of making over 700hp to the tires without having to rebuild the bottom end of the motor. C8 engines should have had better internals from the factory. Having said that, the C8 has been replaced by a 2020 Shelby GT500 with an handling package, 760hp from the factory and the engine can easily handle over a 1000hp with no problem. Not to mention its DCT transmission can also handle more power. At end of the day, it’s all personal preference and the only opinion that truly counts when spending your hard earned money, is yours 🤛👍. Cheers…
Shoulda coulda woulda.. this is true on most cars and trim levels.. Honestly, I would never own a Mustang.. the vette has always been the ultimate American muscle car, honestly, every one has their own likes/dislikes/opinions...
Well said bud, True I most likely won't purchase another C8 Z51, but I am seriously thinking about purchasing a C7 ZR1, ZTK in the near future. It's a piece art to say the least and a damn nice platform to build from!
White seats and depreciation? [That's on you] Built the C8 stronger? [Wrong, well for the most part.] Louder exhaust? [Easy to change for decent price.] If the C8 is not a good car, then just say it sucks and move on. Your reasoning is weird. Chevy needs to wake up? I had C8 Stingray Z51 and kept up with Porsches and other high end cars easily. Now I have a C8 Z06. I can easily keep up with the GT500, etc. I have a friend that owes a GT500, so I know. Honestly, you simply sound like a guy that prefers Ford Mustangs. Period. You opinion is your opinion. My opinion is there is so much more for you to know about C8 Corvettes. Which stays on the road better... C8 or Mustang?
Nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree, that said I truly appreciate your point of view. Giving enough time with any platform, we can always learn more 🤛👍
Ok, that makes sense, I do agree with you in certain things, like the C8 exhaust system, I trade in my 23 HTC C8 when I got my 23 C8 Z06/Z07 70th Anniversary in Pearl White, I absolutely love it, the Z06 is a completely different car than the C8 and fills in all the negatives of the Stingray, I had a 911 and it doesn’t even come close in any area compared to the C8 Z06, it’s a beast
Great minds think alike! I had to pin a comment to clarify, even though we sold the C8 and purchased the Mustang Dark Horse, it is by far not the C8 Z51 replacement. The C8 Z06/Z07 70th Anniversary in Pearl White is one of the options that we're looking into and as you said, it fills in all the negatives of the C8 Z51. Btw,,, Many congrats, it's stunning to say the least!
@3:48 and @4:00 Right around what tires? I cannot understand what you are saying. I have listened to this several times and I just cannot pickup on what you are saying.
Great question bud and sorry for any confusion, the following explains what I meant when I was referring to "To the tires". Hope this helps.... Cheers "Wheel horsepower or to the tires, is the amount of power measured at the wheels of the vehicle. This is also called “xxx horsepower to the ground or to the tires" as it is the amount of power made by the vehicle as a whole and not just the engine. The wheel horsepower number is usually lower than the engine horsepower number by about 15%, depending to the transmission, Stick or Auto. This is because the power made by the engine is influenced by the transmission, drivetrain, vehicle weight, tire and wheel size, gear, and other external variables such as weather, altitude and what type of dyno the vehicle is on. In other words, WHP is the amount of horsepower that a vehicle actually makes on the ground".
don't be this guy, you choose to fall for a gimmick such as a 70th anniversary knowing it wasn't any differences other than a couple badges. Companies are here to make money not please you. I own a root beer and a few other Rolex watches and love to collect firearms. Reason I went with 2020 C8 and chose to wait on the ZR1. The C8 is a base car you really thought you wouldn't have to change simple things like brakes, axle, exhaust etc. to build that car. It wasn't meant to be a Z06 or ERAY......... Basically people chose what you can afford and don't fall for gimmicks.
Appreciate the response bud, the 70th Anniversary package wasn't the key deciding factor as much as it was the capability of the Rear Wheel Horsepower (RWH). Originally I wasn't planning on modifying this platform and as of recently I had changed my mind and simply decided not to invest X amount of money into the C8. Having said that, many congrats on the Root Beer and on the firearm collection. What's your favorite timepiece and firearms among the collections? Cheers
I truly understand every point . I just bought my c8 z51 92k out the door. After realizing how quiet the exhaust is it lead me into being intrested for upgrades. Wanting to do a Supercharge which is around 22-30k. In conclusion, a Supercharged Eray would be the ideal setup. Awd with upgrade ability for standard 6.2 liter engine
Completely agree bud, as I did mention this at the 13:34 mark. This is due the weight of the Dark Horse. Over all the Dark Horse Coyote engine with the GT500 internals is one of the best platforms to build on. Achieving over 800 + HP to the tires reliably on 93 octane, aided by an Whipple blower, without touching the engine/internals is amazing and something the C8 cannot do.
😅 there is no “special edition“ c8 honestly as manufacturers use it to think you will be the only one with it but they just make it a standard edition next year. I have owned c6’s and c7’s but never a c8 as dealers were and are ripping off customers. Don’t get me wrong the c8 is awesome but “special “ is not as they have made so many already and the MSRP is crazy but that’s just the car market right now. When I bought c7 zo6 for 80,000 out the door with 3lz package in 2017. But in the c8 you are looking at $120,000 out the door is just nuts. If you want “special “ buy a viper or so really rare car but no corvette will ever be that unless it was like the 1964 grand sport. All the modern day “special edition “ cars that manufacturers do are really no different then the regular models other then color changes. So there is no value add long term. Ram did the same thing with the trx but it’s still just a regular trx in different colors. I say all this because corvettes are awesome for what they are but are NOT special not collectors cars. I have learned there is no point in modifying cars as you only get $0.20 on the dollar back UNLESS you are doing it for yourself not for resale value. All the modified cars and trucks I have I buy with the plan never to sell. So the money I put into them doesn’t matter as it’s for me not for someone else.
Appreciate the articulated response and provided information. Couldn't agree more and the funny thing is, there's a GEN 2, Viper ACR sitting next me in this upload. You can see the tail end during the intro and throughout. That said I've learned a valuable lesson moving forward with special edition platforms. Thanks again for the dialed response. Seem we're on the same page. Cheers
@WilliamWaller-vm4wl Congrats on the CF C8 Edition bud. To clarify (reference pinned comment), It wasn’t traded for the Mustang Dark Horse. It was traded for a 2020 Shelby GT500 with an handling package and in my opinion there’s no comparison between the C8 Z51 and a 2020 Shelby GT500! The 2020 GT500 and the 2019 Porsche GT3 RS ran identical times on the track, with the GT500 running 10.50s stock in the quarter mile..ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ogxgxNfjxlg.htmlsi=5sUYbgEu5LpO9A1s
Great minds definitely think a like! Which 70th do you have, Pearl White or the Carbon Flash? Congrats... Even though I'm partial to Rolex, the recent breitling designs are very nice.
I liked the honestly in the video , it means a lot to future buyers like myself, I don’t plan on modifying the c8 , only thing I’ll do is get a performance exhaust
You'll absolutely love it if you plan on leaving it relativity stock or if your willing to spend X amount of money to exceed 750 + horse power to the wheels. Enjoy and be safe.... Cheers
Sir I get what you are saying. But I think we are forgetting when you compare the two cars and for the price differences that you can get the ford for a lil cheaper and it has things ready to take more power is Chevy has all aluminum frame and body is all fiberglass if I’m not mistaking and I’m sure that weighs into cost and bang for your buck. Don’t think the mustang has that which they can put that money towards better internals. Gotta give and take a lil.
You're absolutely correct bud, it's all give or take from both perspectives and the corvette will always been known for its very pleasing asthedics and light weight packages. That's one thing that I wish the Dark Horse was "Lighter" Lol. That said, we're still looking for the C8 replacement, not sure what's that's going to be at the moment. Lots of options....
Good objective assessment. I enjoy my C8 a lot but realizing that going down the path of major modifications doesn't sound worth it to me either. Makes more sense to wait to upgrade to the Z06 or Eray if you want to modify for power. Hopefully prices on supercharger or turbo kits come down drastically to make it more practical to upgrade the Stingray.
Spot on bud, this is exactly where I was coming from. I was looking at nearly 40k to be where I wanted and decided to incorporate the funds into another platform or platforms. 12k in and the Dark Horse makes more than 800 HP to the tires reliably with a bolt on Whipple, 93 octane, no internal motor, axle, or transmission upgrades needed. What's not to love.. That said, I wouldn't have purchased two C8's if I didn't think they were amazing as well. Feel free to keep me posted on how your C8 is coming along. Cheers
@@MyCalculatedRandomness I currently have a Porsche 911 Turbo S I love it but I need a V8 Zo6 its the V8 exhaust growl irreplaceable. Not sure of the specs yet maybe you can enlighten me.
Congrats on the Turbo S, is this the 992 platform? Either way, the 991 and 992 are both amazing pieces of machinery. In reference two your question. My Z06 spec, would mirror one of my previous C8s. EXTERIOR: Rapid Blue 3LZ, Coupe, Carbon fiber roof, Black wheels with Yellow Calipers, Blackout exhaust, Full Carbon arrow package and Engine package. INTERIOR: Black suede interior with Yellow stitching, Yellow seatbelts, Competition Seats, Carbon fiber and Blacked out package and lastly a Front Lift.
I respect the sediment but In my opinion, I wouldn't go as far as to say that it looks like crap, rather I believe the C7 ZR1, ZTK Track Performance Package is the best platform Chevy has built to date. Then again, this is just my opinion.
Like both. Had c7 zo6 and now have c8 2023. My favorite body style c7. But c8 interior just outdoes c7 interior the way they did it on a 3lt. Don’t mind the change on body style cause it looks like super car now but wouldn’t have mind if they kept the authentic vette style either
The problem with the C8 imho is that it’s a mid engine with no option of a manual. For that price point, you could’ve gotten a C7 Z06 or even a C6 ZR1 that’s faster and also comes with a third leg pedal.
Couldn't agree more, I also had a C7 Grandsport and it was a damn nice platform. To date and this is just my opinion, nothing Chevy has produced has superseded the C7 ZR1.
@@MyCalculatedRandomness The C7 ZR1 is the best car on the market right now other than the new G80 BMWs. Cars go 9 second quarter with a minor tune up while being able to keep up with Porches on the track. Also, the C7 ZR1 is a 200+ mph car from factory without an unlocked ECU which puts it in the Bugatti talk. Nobody mentions a Bugatti and a C8 in the same sentence. Congrats on the Dark Horse btw!
Well said bud, C7 ZR1 is on the list to purchase, of which I've been looking forward to for some time now. Trust me the Dark Horse is not the final chapter Lol. I've been collecting cars for a long time and have no plans of stopping anytime soon. Appreciate the congrats.... Cheers
@@MyCalculatedRandomness You’ll get that ZR1 soon. The dark horse will hold its value a lot better than the C8 which is already a huge W and you don’t have to tell people what year your car is cause they already know 😎. Keep being grateful and trust God always.
@@MyCalculatedRandomness this is a roughly take my man.. they quite literally haven't even tried to make its 'equivalent' yet lol. Great video thought (coming from a coyote and c8 owner)
Funny you say that, I have officially replaced the C8 with an 2020 Shelby GT500 with an handling package, uploads have been posted on the channel... Cheers ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jt_K86GWJbo.html
Life is way to short not to laugh and lucky for me I got thick skin, try again. This is hilarious! Suggest reading the pinned comment, C8 has been replaced by an 2020 SHELBY GT500 with an handling package!
Much appreciated bud, Providing useful information is something that I strive for in all my uploads. As far as the music of choice, it's was aimed towards the beat rather the song itself. Nonetheless it's all personal preference. Cheers
@@jeffreyhillery1614 I would highly recommend doing your research, as the C8 has been replaced by a 2020, Shelby GT500 with an handling package, not the Dark Horse! The GT500 & The 991 Porsche GT3 RS are neck to neck on the track, which is just one of many examples of the GT500 performance.
Ego is the think i dont need 638 755 or whatever they come up with. I dont track the car or race (havent been challeged yet) but i do have a Z51 with the Anniversary Edition
@@Rometor Thankfully the official C8 replacement is an 2020 Shelby GT500 and the crowd suffering reports have been minimal with the Shelby’s! Nonetheless I appreciate your genuine heads up Lol! At the end of the day, never judge a book by its cover… I’m definitely not that guy.
Small world bud and thanks for the support. I'm assuming your referring to Mikey & Mels? Which is always an amazing show! We have shows lined up all Spring, Summer and Fall, maybe we'll see you at the next event. Cheers
Regardless of your rationalizations. A Corvette will always be a special car, elite and heads and tails above all else American made. But a mustang will always be JUST a mustang. No thank you!
I appreciate your response and to be clear I never stated, nor was my reasoning/rationalizations representative of ALL Corvettes, as my decisions were only based on the C8 platform. Having said I’ve owned 3 Corvettes and 4 Mustangs, I mention this because my reasoning was based on years of ownership experience. Nonetheless I may have another Corvette back in the collection, it just won’t be a Z51 C8!
I like to go left and right with great brakes. I Dont need a loud car. Not just a straight line guy. It has to handle. Sports car over a pony car for me but i respect your opinion and choice.
Completely agree and thanks for the point of view. I love them both, quarter mile and track. After having a full weekend with backroads and chasing my buddies Viper, I must say this Dark Horse did not disappoint, then again that's what this car is built for. Could'n't be happier, compared to my previous C8s. Cheers....
@@BugzyFrank Like I said in the pinned comment and in the upload, we had something else coming. The C8 replacement has arrived, 2020 Shelby GT500 with a handling package! In my opinion there’s no world where the Z51 C8 compares to a Shelby GT500. Tho, there is a good argument for the C8 Z06 when compared to the Shelby GT500.
@@MyCalculatedRandomness Ok, I admire your efforts at creating a YT channel. You did point out that not everyone will care about the same things you do. Good on you.. I wish you the best. But I'm keeping my 2023 C8 HTC, switching to a Mustang (of any type) is not even a consideration.
I can appreciate your point of view, to clarify I love all make and models. This was my 3rd Corvette and 4th Mustang. I've owned a little bit of everything throughout the years. One of my favorite platforms is the Dodge Viper, which if you look closely is sitting next to me in this upload and has also been on this channel previously.
