Why I Think Jesus Didn't Exist: A Historian Explains the Evidence That Changed His Mind 

+Bill Walker I don't believe a single word you wrote. You are so full of crap, your eyes are brown.

+Idiot atheist You would be stunned if you could plumb the depths of the indifference with which I view your opinions.

Bill Walker Like I care! HA HA HA HA AH HA HA

+Bill Walker I too lost faith after reading the bible.

+Bill Walker Damn, you're old... Cool story, though.

I think the acceptance of the idea that Jesus never existed is relatively new. I remember atheist school teachers who didn't believe in Christianity at all claiming that it was irrefutable that Jesus existed or that the evidence for Jesus existing was as strong as for any other figure in history and far stronger than that for Homer or Socrates. At least I had atheist teachers.

people who say such things are what we call "fundy atheists." what "agenda"? So atheist scholars are trying to somehow prop up the theological concerns of the Catholic (or Protestant or Orthodox) churches? Look at someone like Bart Ehrman, how is he having best selling books where he denounces, rejects, and does his best to "debunk" all of the cherished traditional Christian beliefs... that somehow means by his saying Jesus at existed... that's because he's a dishonest plant bribed to lie for religion? That makes no sense. and he's not alone. there are legions of non-Christian scholars in academia. but because TWO guys (a retired comic book fan and a perpetually unemployed blogger) disagree, suddenly historical Jesus research is "in crises" and they're declaring victory? THAT my friend, is the fairy tale here. Besides, even if you somehow thought Jesus was the most evil man in history and everything he said and did has lead to misery and made the world worse off... would that mean we could declare he didn't exist? First off, doing so wouldn't make it so, second, that would be a lie. Look at someone like Karl Marx, or Muhammad... do we care so little about truth and are so driven by ideology that we would honestly consider erasing them from history to somehow make up for the harm that's been done in their name? so spare me this broken line of argument. facts don't care about your feelings, OR the political implications. historyforatheists.com

@@HeroQuestFans Actually, I think the evidence for the existence of Muhammad is even sketchier than the evidence for Jesus. Some Jesus Never Existed folks just say that Muhammad existed because they have never looked into it. As to Marx, that is different.

@@HeroQuestFans That's a cute website, bless it's heart. It would be great if it were written by someone who understood science.

@@gregorykrajeski6255 hey, we've got a live one here! So you are consistent in rejecting history when it comes to religious founders. so other than Robert Spencer (who is not a historical scholar), who says Muhammad wasn't historical? How is Marx "different"? The same arguments made to support Mythicism can be used to justify Marx Mythicism. communism needed a sagely founder to justify all of the evil things they did for a century and they all read him differently. oh but because he lived in the modern period, things like photographs and handwriting can't be faked... I see. but you forget.. he's a figure we don't like, he set things in motion we disagree with a century or more later... so why not declare him myth, legend? If I pick a figure from antiquity that was worshiped as a miraculous god and say "Caesar" you'll say he was real because of the buildings and coins and statues (as if mythical gods can't have these things).

I AM the returned Christ - the reincarnating God-incarnate; see 7seals.blogspot.com .

@@BradWatsonMiami Don't mix science with religion.

I used ask: what language did god speak to Adam and Eve?

@@ericephemetherson3964 Wrong, everything is connected. Einstein famously said, "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." 2/18/22 is your Judgment Day: you FAIL.

@@BradWatsonMiami Wrong? What did I state wrong? Can you reiterate my wrong statement because I don't know what you are referring to?

The One who get the Name of God are alought to Build him a HOUSE OF GOD IN JERUSALEM. "The Deadones should burry theey Deadones and the Livingones stay together with the The livingones so that all out of Israel get Salvation. " The LORD JESUS CHRIST, 2006. Words of Life and Peace. And the God who made HEAVEN and EARTH has given me HIS My Nw Name. Aiwa- Right and Justice in Heaven and on Earth. Chairs of Justize are STANDING in JERUSALEM. The TOWN of GOD wearing MY Name. The Town of the Chairs of King Davids House. ( Not the Chairs of the Son of God. Not the Chairs of God. ) Where is there a Town of God Jerusalem on Earth? "NOW i,ve seen it with my own Eys. You should not dring the Cup anymore. I gonna give it too YOUR ENEMIES. At the END Babylon. But Start with Jerusalem. ONE HOUSE OF GOD ON THE WHOLE EARTH. ONE TEMPLE TOO JERUSALEM. WHO ARE THE ENIMIES OF ZION- JERUSALEM. Its a false Worship of God to give your life into Dead for Someone else Sins. The Lord will let free the Capitivity of ZIon. ALL OUT OF ISRAEL. ALL who stay in the Commands of Zion. All Nations have too come too Zion too learn the Commands of Zion. Ten Commands. The Commands of Peace and Freedom. DONT LIE. Every Sunday a New Word of God. All we will see who has the Word of God and stay alive. Who ís the Wife of GOD. The Daughter Jerusalem-.The Daughter Zion. So, God have too deside ONES and for ever who is HIS Sons. Born by HIS Maid Maria? Or Born by One of His Wifes wearing his Name. All Eyes will see when The Lord return too Zion. I,m in Austria. Who is the Son of Abraham. The Slave Born one? Or the One Born by the Woman Sarah? Where is the Temple of God that Jesus Christ gonna build in 3 Days? This is the Word of GOD. I Promise you. You shall get your King David. Why? Where are the Apostel of Jesus Christ too say ONE SENTENCE TO HIS FOLLOWERS, ALL CHRISTS, ALL LAWLESS? Why he come too Me the MURDERING TOWN Jerusalem? Remember 2000 Years ago? Tell the Daughter Zion : YOUR KING COME TOO YOU. After that He was killed, cause he Didnt has SOMEONE STANDING BEHIND HIM. 2000 Years ago and NOW again. since 2006. Believe what you wanna believe. You can try it YOURSELF. 3. Buch Mose. The Law too call the God of Israel. The Law Mose always use. For the Ones who follow the Commands of Zion. All Blessings are Send too Zion. Anyway we are at Psalm 2 since 2006. In None of all Houses of God on the Whole Earth the HOLY SPIRIT HAS NOTHING TOO SAY. One Sentence of the Son of God. All Nation have too go back into they own Contries and prepare for WAR against Mount Zion. One Earth-One King -One God-My God. All Tribes of Israel are Save. All Tribes of Israel are blessed out of Zion in the Name of the Lord Lord Zebaoth, the God of Israel I,m wearing. I bounded the Satan 2005/2006 with the Strenght and Power of Zion for 1000 year. I hunt Nebukadfnezar, the King of babel with Peace into Hell. I fight against Hell and I win. Hell is on my Right Side. All enimies of Zion gonna die. And all killed by the Daughter Zion never get a live again. But go too the Pope, or the Chefapostel or whatever. God is SURELY SPEAKING TOO THEM. All men are Born in Zion the Mother of the Nations. No . All Men are Born By Abraham the Father of the Nations. The Son of God should Heritage His Fathers Throne King David. ? No cause ist a False Worship of God too give your Life into Dead for someone else Sin. Any way where are HIS FOLLOWERS. WHO Can say One Sentence of God? Nowhere too find. Revelation: Yes you have proof them all and find out that they are NOT APOSTEL .Mehr anzeigen (131 Zeilen)

+Bananamana For you Not believing in Jesus or a God is not "believing in nothing." Fool.

anyone who reads the bible and understands it cannot believe in the god it speaks about

+Tochter Zion Jerusalem you copy and paste too much.

Romeo. Indeed belief is belief, not knowledge :-) Religion is about belief and research of the question of "why". If you want to know "how" than it is science.

While it is sad, Catholics, at least from my experience, don't teach that His execution was a bad thing. It was actually an amazing thing. We should rejoice. He sacrificed Himself for us.

​@@boopbeepbop154no need for that as he didn't exist

Dying an excruciating death on a crucifix is NOT reason to rejoice. Even Jesus asked God Why did you forsake me? Holocaust victims lost faith too. They were forsaken.

Because, as Aztecs, we believe it's necessary?@@boopbeepbop154

Jesus existed and probably still existed on Earth as a "human in disguised". You these Atheists PHDs are looking for Jesus in history books. Of course he is not in those history books that chronicled about the activities of Empires and Kingdoms.How you come across in history books narrating the Kings and Queens, Emperors and Emperors going to their temple to pray? No! because those historians don't gave a hoot about religions activities specially those outside the realm of the Sovereigns. Why do you think there is a separate of State and Church (religion) today? But in the Bible, which is also a history Book, right? is full of Jesus telling the people what he did and did not do. @@Kinesiology411

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Well if Jesus did exist he's probably dead by now so....

Thank you!!!!

Oh my god, you're a lifesaver.

H.G. Wells simply didn't or wasn't able to look deep enough beneath the vail of lies.

H.G. Wells lived at a time when the lack of an historical Jesus was simply inconceivable. IIRC Jesus mythicism started in the early 20th Century.

If you live in the bubble

H.G. Wells should have used his time machine to find out.

fear of death,bottom line with theists

these teachers should be ready to ansewer tough questions, r u sure you weren't just being a smart ass? if not than sorry that happened to you trhat isn't fair.

Just be glad you didn't get beaten like I was😁

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Me, too!

Was she cute? Probably not. Most sisters are butt ugly that's why they join the nunnery lol

Much more bearable without headphones 🎧.

You're a fool.

IdiotAtheist BrainlessAtheist You're a fool.

Dylan Ellis it took you a month to respond? You're a fool.

IdiotAtheist BrainlessAtheist I just saw the comment now, you're a fool.

Dylan Ellis so it took you a month to reply, you're still a fool.

Well that wasn't my experience When I was young my ss was very historical and practical it saved me later from getting into a lot of trouble and pain which I saw many I knew end up really messed up. Some even dead.

Gregory Krajeski If haven’t changed your mind since you were nine years old, then you definitely still have the mind of a nine year old.

Oh shut the fuck up nerd. You did no such thing at nine years old. You were probably more concerned where you lost your toy.

I went to a Christian school but I was atheist the whole time. I actually did really well in bible class, but that was probably because I could memorize stuff better than most other students. I don't think my bible teacher even realized I was atheist until one day I went into a debate with him over evolution. He tried very hard to convert me after that, but obviously he was way too optimistic. Nice guy though.

@@VictorHarrys Well aren't you just so clever...

Most of us "religious" people don't care if you believe or not.

wmthewyld Of course you don't. And you also don't care if what you believe is true so long as it makes you feel good. That's the immorality and dishonesty that makes you who you are and makes you able to pretend that you are a special being among countless other not so special beings. How convenient for you. Well I say you are nothing more or less than a modern savage not unlike those who put plates in their lower lips and dance around sacrificial fires. You are the witch burners, the devil worshipers, and the mental zombies who are an embarrassment not only to yourself, but to the entire human race. Shame on you for being so weakminded and intentionally ignorant. Oh and buy the way... You obviously could not find a rational answer to my question that could in any way validate your delusional big daddy in the sky. I rest my case and what makes you think anyone cares whether you care?

Pat Kelly please have yourself checked, you seem to be a syphilitic idiot. Everyone one wants to feel good, that's why drugs are so popular. Your stupidity amazes me, here I say it's OK to believe in what you want or don't want to believe in and you say that's immoral and dishonest? If you believe Jesus is a myth, prove it. Show me the writings of 1 Roman historian that states Jesus is a myth.

wmthewyld You my friend are the blithering idiot for suggesting that I should attempt to prove something or someone doesn't exist. If you had any brains you would know that you cannot prove a negative though I am sure you think this makes your position somehow more valid than mine. Dream on savage. You suggest that I should have myself checked out because I don't pray to imaginary spirits??? That's like being called crazy by someone behind the bars of a third story window as you drive out the gate of an insane asylum. You're the delusional one my friend not me. If you can look yourself in the mirror with a straight face while you tell yourself that someone is listening to all your prayers, then we need to have a serious talk about a bridge that just went on sale. Is Jesus a myth? Who knows and who cares. Is Jesus the son of god? Sure if you can only figure out which god or gods ranging from Zeus to Allah. If you can't answer the simple question I posed then stop wasting both our times with your poor attempts to defend something that is indefensible. Prove your god is real or stop being so incensed when others point out your stupidity and ignorance.

Pat Kelly 1. "If you can't answer the simple question I posed " what question was that? 2. If Jesus is a myth, prove it. Show me the writings of a Roman historian that states Jesus is a myth. Here is proof from a Roman historian that Jesus did exist: And now Caesar, upon hearing the death of Festus, sent Albinus into Judea, as procurator. But the king deprived Joseph of the high priesthood, and bestowed the succession to that dignity on the son of Ananus, who was also himself called Ananus... Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned. 3. "You suggest that I should have myself checked out because I don't pray to imaginary spirits" you should have yourself checked out because of inane babbling. 4 I don't care if you don't believe. Why should I prove any god is real to you?

Same experience with my parents. Why didJesus let this wonderful person get murdered? Why didn’t I get the fishing rod I prayed for? But hey we just don’t know, is existence an accident. Who created God? I listened to this guy who said some things are not created, they always existed and will always. Ok shut up now that’s enough from me.

We are storytellers by nature. That is a function of the mind to use imagination as a means of making sense of the vast universe in which we live. Stories can serve as metaphors for understanding ourselves and world. Many of our stories have archetypal characters to represent the sum of who we imagine and/or desire ourselves to be. These archetypes as Sage, Scholar, Warrior, King, Lover, and so forth, are quintessential qualities that we seek to embody, and as such, we often travel far and wide to find a mentor who fits the description of what we are consciously or subconsciously looking to discover about ourselves. That is how the guru/disciple; teacher/student, coach/player, etc. relationships begin. Oftentimes, these relationships are based on fiction made to appear real through consensus and, over time, become our core beliefs. These core beliefs serve many functions, and not the least, to establish a moral basis for communities to prosper and to grow. At some point, it inevitably falls apart, and we make up stories about devils, and angles, good and evil, heaven and hell, and it is here where we either dive completely in or otherwise walk away as yet another set of measurable beliefs called science and technology take hold. Still, no matter the strength of our prayers, an asteroid or nuclear weapon will blow all our made-up stories to kingdom come. The narrative ends with, only those who share my core belief will be saved. When the here and now is not enough, the hereafter becomes the better game.

Church leaders do not have reasonable explanations, only diversions.

@@nexstory still no answer ...a word salad of views expressed by others before

Glad O could be of help.@@hazelpearson7807

ah yes, if only we all were so brilliant in our tween years, eh? seriously though, the whole "I left the Church because of sin" is stupid, when you realize you're a sinner just like the rest of us (if you say no, I question your sanity). Carrier isn't on to something, he's just trying to milk you fundy atheists by filling your ears with what they are itching to hear. historyforatheists.com

@@HeroQuestFans I don't admit to sin, nor am I insane. Question that all you like, you'll never question your own and there in lies your dishonesty.

I AM the returned Christ - the reincarnating God-incarnate; see 7seals.blogspot.com .

@@christopheraaron1255 I was Jesus son of Joseph. I AM the returned Christ - the reincarnating God-incarnate; see 7seals.blogspot.com ​ . You are being Judged.

@@BradWatsonMiami see, now there's the thing, the Christ a) wasn't the son of Joseph, he's quite specifically the son of Yaweh and b) wasn't called Jesus. Jesus is a corruption of the hebrew Yeshua; commonly translated to be be Joshua. Not only that, but according to scriptural prophecy, the Christ was supposed to be named Emanuel. Quite frankly, you can judge as much as you like, you delusional little sausage. I don't believe you, and I don't care.

Apropos examples, as both relate to the Jesus myth of his birth and resurrection.

+Michael Hill Why should they write everything down right after Jesus' ascension? I don't think you understand much of what Jesus' disciples actually believed. They probably thought Jesus' return was going to be in their lifetime. Besides, what's up your dating the gospels 50-90 years after Jesus' death? That's ridiculous. Bart Ehrman has stated before that he believed them to be 35-60 years after Jesus. And it goes without saying that he's extremely liberal. Many scholars date them much earlier.

+M. Aaron . Did Jesus ascend? We know the last 12 verses of Mark, on which Matthew and Luke (and Acts) are based are known fakes. Google it. The last verse of John says Jesus lived a long life, before presumably dying a human death, which some believe was in India (read Jesus in India). John was written late enough that it could have been after such a death. This was a time when the average age before death was 30 so best to write things down quickly. Why would anyone delay since such writings could be used for the early church rather than hearsay which quickly becomes distorted. If you have read Ehrman, you know that even gospel writings were distorted by people with agendas. We have no evidence when the gospels were written down. We have a few verses from 125 AD, which could have even been in a letter and later put into John. There are a few other verses in the second century and suddenly come the third century, we have whole books turn up, as if this was when they were written. Bart Ehrman BELIEVES is not evidence. Many scholars? Names and their evidence? Jesus came to Earth with a message, was said to be literate at the age of 12, but left nothing behind. Why is that? Where is the evidence that he even existed? Jesus and his disciples expected his return to be imminent according to the bible but nearly 2,000 years later we know that was all lies.

+M. Aaron Many scholars date them much later but that is irrelevant. Mans memory is notoriously fallible so even something written down 35 to 60 years (your timelines) after his death and the death of the disciples cannot be used as a true story as so open to the authors writing what they want as no one to correct them. There were i believe 16 well known scribes who we have copies of their works. They operated in Jesus` time and area but never mention him. Thats a deal breaker for me. Nothing was written down by anyone about Jesus whilst he lived or indeed immediately afterwards.

+Karen henderson . Ignoring the known christian forgeries like Josephus, Pliny, etc, no one of the time wrote about this amazing man who could do the impossible: www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2776194/Jesus-never-existed-Writer-finds-no-mention-Christ-126-historical-texts-says-mythical-character.html If you had the most important news ever, about Jesus, in uncertain times where a common disease could kill you, a criminal or war could kill you, where in old age you could have dementia, would you not get the message down straight away rather than wait half a century? Even if you could not write, a scribe could do it for you for a pittance. More importantly, you could get witnesses to what you write too, to write their backup accounts. But the gospels were written long after witnesses could corroborate or deny them, and Matthew and Luke were heavily based on Mark with the phoney early life story to make them look different. John was written maybe 90 years later so was wholesale fake. Jesus came to Earth with a message but left nothing behind. What if he was no more than the imaginary angels in the cave of Mohammad and Joseph Smith?

Karen henderson Wow. You're dumb. But that's okay, sort of. How the hell would you know if scribes did or did not write about Jesus during his lifetime? Were you there? Don't you know about the burning in Rome? Don't you know most documents get lost in antiquity? Grow some brain cells.

+jaimel hill I bet a lot didn't even watch the whole thing, and simply trolled youtube and give thumbs down based on video titles. But yeah, if a semi-intelligent person sat through this whole video and still disliked it, there's no hope for them.

+Jaimel Hill The "facts" are comical.

+Jaimel Hill indoctrination is powerful...........

There are literally millions of mindless of people that will not change their minds no matter how much evidence exists. They dislike anything that doesn't agree with the stories they've been clinging to since childhood.

These were not facts but the "expert" opinions of mostly Jewish"scholars" or their servants on a mission to destroy Christianity. I btw have no problem whether Jesus existed or not. But I take exception with the objectivity of such "facts".

❤ GREAT COMMENT ❤ I agree

My reasoning as a child was that the Jews would have been eye witnesses and they didn't subcribe to it.

There is no mention of Jesus 30 years after his supposed crucifixion.

@@meibing4912 yes, the very earliest mention of Jesus came 30 years later.

Please supply a reliable source for this claim@@Z4RQUON

faith is the art of lying to one's self.

I think you mean the 1637 edition of the King James Version. The previous ones use "Iefvf" for the name. The Christian claim isn't that someone actually named "Jesus" lived in first century Judea. It isn't based on the name "Jesus." The person who is usually called "Jesus" in modern English Bibles and churches was called "Y'shua" in first century sources. That's what His mother and talmidim called Him. That's what the contemporary written sources call Him. That's what the ante-Nicean church writers call Him.

The fact there was already a celestial figure named Jesus before Christianity is not to the point if Jesus was a historical person or not, Jesus was a popular name at the time and surley Jesus was a historical figure.

Filip Weekx I think the point was that the celestial figure called Jesus was prophesied to come to earth and do lot of the things the bible tells us Jesus did. This makes the biblical account of his life (or his having lived at all) far less likely to true. The fact so many other prophet's/religious figures performed strikingly similar actions and led similar (and also prophesied) life's adds even more weight to that hypothesis. Regardless of all that, I remain unconvinced that the actual 'Jesus' was a complete invention, but I think the theory does have a lot of plausibility to it. What I've taken from all this is the following- If you want to be accepted as a prophesied figure you'd make certain you perform the actions expected of that figure. We know that most of the 'miracles' he performed are easily reproducible parlour tricks, so it wouldn't be hard. It never crossed my mind that he might have essentially been following a script; by doing what he was already predicted to do. The world's most successful actor/magician, playing to it's dumbest and most uneducated audience.

The Christ myth theory (also known as the Jesus myth theory or Jesus mythicism) is the proposition that Jesus of Nazareth never existed but was invented by the Christian community.The idea was first put forward in the late 18th century and developed and popularised in the 19th by Bruno Bauer.So it were the Christians itself that came up with it. I think you 're right to say that Jesus is a historical person because also at the 19th century, at the start of the Industrial Revolution there was a big debate if Jesus was a historical person or not and the conclusion was in favor for the historical Jesus.

bladewed The Christ myth theory (also known as the Jesus myth theory or Jesus mythicism) is the proposition that Jesus of Nazareth never existed but was invented by the Christian community.The idea was first put forward in the late 18th century and developed and popularised in the 19th by Bruno Bauer.So it were the Christians itself that came up with it. I think you 're right to say that Jesus is a historical person because also at the 19th century, at the start of the Industrial Revolution there was a big debate if Jesus was a historical person or not and the conclusion was in favor for the historical Jesus.

+bladewed, "Very Interesting Indeed" is how these atheists train to take these positions just to Attempt to discredit Christ; Francesca is another one!. YESHUA is HIS name, it's HEBREW, as He was, It means Salvation, in the ORIGINAL ARAMAIC Text as well.His Name was CHANGED to the GREEK name "JESUS."

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What would scientists know about this? They dont study history do they? Im 21 but your the one acting like a 10 yr old.

If you want secular proof then here you go Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings don’t even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus’ crucifixion: “On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1) If only more of Thallus’ record could be found, we might find more confirmation of Jesus’ crucifixion. But there are some things we can conclude from this account: Jesus lived, He was crucified, and there was an earthquake and darkness at the point of His crucifixion.

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Cornelius Tacitus was known for his analysis and examination of historical documents and is among the most trusted of ancient historians. He was a senator under Emperor Vespasian and was also proconsul of Asia. In his “Annals’ of 116AD, he describes Emperor Nero’s response to the great fire in Rome and Nero’s claim that the Christians were to blame: “Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.” In this account, Tacitus confirms several historical elements of the Biblical narrative: Jesus lived in Judea, was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and had followers who were persecuted for their faith in Christ.

Stories without any evidence can't be studied.

@@brettallen7632 Of course they can. And it depends on what counts as "evidence." But religion is much more than "stories"-even from an academic viewpoint.

@@brettallen7632what’s the evidence you have the Alexander the Great or even someone like Plato existed?

@Fire Smollett *Mexico* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico "Mexico...is a country in the southern portion of North America." *List of countries in North America* www.countries-ofthe-world.com/countries-of-north-america.html "In total, in North America, there are 23 officially recognized independent states. The largest of them is Canada, followed by also rather big the United States. These two giants together occupy more than 79% of the whole continent area. The smallest country in this part of the world is Saint Kitts and Nevis, it is only two small islands in the Caribbean." *How Many Countries Are In North America?* sciencetrends.com/heres-many-countries-north-america/ "There are 23 countries in North America and 9 dependent territories with the United States of America being the largest and Saint Kitts and Nevis being the smallest by population."

There is no America just land that was indiginous to a people that had their own names fer the land mass they occupied

Amerigo Vespucci is the name Europeans used in the naming of the land mases that make up the western hemisphere

@Andro mache No, you're wrong, Mexico is part of north America. Central America is just the narrow strip of land between north and south Americas.

@@steviangarcia1583 Land cannot be "indigenous to a people", that doesn't make sense. Plants and animals are indigenous TO lands.

I'm right in the midst of exactly this. 6th generation pastors kid, and was a pastor myself for many years. Finally feeling somewhat stable again after a couple years of deep introspection and deconstruction. Been difficult but rewarding.

Personally, I believe the deeper wounds occur through denial and hatred of a being that you couldn’t possibly wrap your head around. I strayed away from the faith for several years and, the further I got away from God, the worse I felt. It became an overwhelming feeling of emptiness that no amount of reading books by or listening to atheists could fill. There was no deprogramming from being a Christian so, I’ll call you out on that one but, there was most definitely deprogramming the empty headed ideas of my atheism. As an atheist , I had an intense dislike for Christianity and the people who practiced it but, that disappeared as I started discovering faith in the God of the Bible. Historically, Yeshua (Jesus) most certainly existed and, there is a plethora of information that proves he did. The problem with atheists is that they already have their minds made about it and, no amount of evidence to the contrary is acceptable. It’s as though critical thinking and reasoning are thrown out and replaced with nothing.

@patrickian8843 pathetic drivel. Provide one shred of evidence of the supernatural, or preferably your specific brand of supernatural at the very least. Your anecdote is garbage. I'm disappointed that you'd even try and write this irrelevant crap as a point in your favor. Your inability to survive in a world without a god is not your fault. You were indoctrinated, and all the tools you'd otherwise gain from growing up were taken from you. Of course it'll be harder. But it's truth. And you ought not misconstrued your own internal failings as evidence of any supernatural work. Do and be better

_"Historical analysis should not have an agenda."_ That is a fine goal, but it's simply a fact of reality that most practitioners in this particular field have an overtly Christian agenda. Moreover, even the ones who would attempt to claim to be unbiased still employ a "historical" methodology that boils down to "We can extract historical information about magical people in ancient literature that talks about zombies by chopping away all the supernatural bits and contradictions and calling the rest history". _"I think he is banking on you trusting him and hoping you have already concluded that the Bible and Jesus is already wrong."_ As the magical claims in the bible contradict a lifetime of experience of how reality works in most people, the prior probability of the biblical account of Jesus being true is essentially zero. Any kind of competing hypothesis about fraud and lies is more probable unless it contradicts itself. That's the standpoint from which an honest historical analysis of this subject should start. The bible can still be a valuable source of claims about the ancient world, which then can be attempted to be investigated by archaeological means, but without such hard evidence backing the claims it's absurd to trust such worthless sources. If "history" simply amounts to literary analysis to you and not actually producing a plausible account of the past grounded in evidence, then I'm sure you're satisfied with establishing the existence of "historical" people like Jesus based on zombie novels, but I'd prefer to be a bit more conservative. The main reason for this is that Christianity arose primarily due to people believing absurdities they were told and not because of being witnesses to miracles. It's entirely plausible that it always was that way(Much like Joseph Smith's claims of the golden plates never reduce to actual history) as the only extra biblical sources talking about Jesus are also in the situation of likely repeating Christian claims.

Great points. I am not about to use this as the forum to address all of that. I am not one use these mediums to push things. I love reading and getting thoughts. A question you made me wonder is "Why is the supernatural never considered when viewing history such as the Bible?" Unexplained events occur all around the world often. Of course, they are not all without their critics. But who are we and what is science to tell someone what they saw or experienced?

I could understand & relate to any argument for or against the topic of this video. But one thing i can't understand is how anyone could be narrow minded enough (in this day & age) to still think that what is referred to as 'the supernatural' is an impossibility or something mythical. I myself am not exactly what you'd call a spiritual person. Definitely not religious. Never had any personal experience with anything supernatural or mystical... but i think one would have to be extremely ignorant, narrow minded & their brain & knowledge of reality is in dire need of an upgrade (from the 1910-1980's version) to a more updated & realistic version…If they're still using that old outdated argument against the REALITY of the Supernatural!

So, are you saying the possibility of the supernatural is something we need to consider? I am perfectly okay with that. Actually, I am very much all for that. Many will say that because science can't confirm it, then it can't be considered. I personally am not stupid enough to think that science has that type of authority. I am learning more and more that the proof for the supernatural is a mere subject of perspective.

Of course. And I am saying more than that. It is more than just a possibility. What we don't see or experience & what we can not explain is not proof that it doesn't exist or that it's not possible.

Because Judaism uses a lunar calendar yes many think so. Those who assume Satan is Saturn or Santa forget the Bible was not written in English but in a hieroglyphic (similar to ancient Chinese in whose hieroglyphs were found the story of the God of the judeo Christian faith....now is that not an interesting topic) and numeric language. Intellectual idolatry make many think up these stories instead of checking the historiscity....so, real historical accounts become allegories and referred to as the story of King David". The supernatural, the existence of paranormal whatever cannot fully be explained by a man who wants to be famous with a book or who wants to be called an expert is seen as fact. I would recommend what Dr. Peale author and father of the book of Positive thinking did for most of his clients send these men or women to remote cabins and give them nothing but the bible and the instructions to study it 3 times in between chopping their own fire wood etc. The Greeks and Romans had their gods as the bible refers to the the men who were the heroes of old the legends and yet, when one wanted his son healed he did not pray to one of his Roman gods he went to Jesus to heal his son (which Jesus did from afar). The Greeks had their temple to apollo but when the apostles went to preach to them they accepted the new found Christian faith based on the teachings of Christ and what was that teaching.....Repentance FOR the forgiveness of sin...Luke 24 start from Jerusalem he told them! If the Judeo Christian faith, was derived from the Greek or Roman or even eygyptian gods Judaism and Christianity would have more accounts similar to theirs but, in Egypt one form of medicine was the use of ass' milk and in the judeo Christian religion circumcision is done on the 8th day. Precisely the 8th day, when the young child has all the right conditions according to the wonderful gift of scientific study for the blood to clot. It is interesting to study instead of seeing all these other religions as separate from christianity and christianity as "new" maybe the study should be how do these other religions from the hindu gods, to the Roman gods to the Greek gods, science including quantum physics paranormal science all somehow relate to the the Judeo Christian statements of a young earth, a creator, Angels who contaminated the gene pool, a savior for the human race different planes of existence, different dimensions, the digital simulation that may be our life within a greater reality.....not myths and legends

Satan comes from the hebrew "shaitan", hebrew is a semitic language. Saturn is the latin name for a planet, latin is an indo-european language. When words in different language groups sound similar, but have completely different meanings, then it is just co-incidence that they sound similar, nothing more.

Éyeahh.. I love when english only speaking retards apply the last language created in this world and apply it to heiroglyphs..."sun" ="son"! See?!? Or sea...? Too many shitegheisted-heads floating around..

@@daragildea7434 Satan means adversary only Christian's believe he's a individual.

Acharya S didn't know what she was talking about, being neither an expert in ancient history, ancient scriptures or even in ancient astrology. The ravings of that conman Jordan Maxwell seem to have done more to form her "education" than anything else, and that's sad. RIP Dorothy Murdock. but your ideas were bunk. historyforatheists.com

Be thankful we're not lunatics. We wouldn't let you get away with that statement if we were. In contrast, the true lunatics are people like nazi-like Sam Harris, anti-theist high priest Richard Dawkins, and anyone who takes what they say seriously.

Darwins Myth Religion, in any incarnation, is evil, greedy, and divisive. Only religion will strap on a concealed bomb and walk into a crowded market, or murder a vital contributors of society in the name of its deity. Believe what ever you wish, as long as you keep your filthy gutter religion out of public policy and my secular government. A secular world is a sane world.

perfectbark Yes I suppose "loving your enemies" and "praying for those who persecute you," is indeed evil and greedy. Horrible in fact. Just because some may hide behind religion and use it to gain control over people and for abuse, doesn't mean it's the religion itself that's at fault. People that actually have love for their fellow man (as religions some command) would never commit such atrocities. But I guess you have to leave all that out right, if you want to incriminate religion from a narrow-minded perspective? Guns don't kill people, neither do bombs. People kill people. By the same logic, we could say science is evil, because it allows people to invent nuclear weapons, which can be used for terrorism. But that would be wrong. Those abuse and misuse religion and science for their own selfish purposes are at fault, rather than the field of religion and science themselves.

***** all of the worlds religions are a contrivance of man. Historically, all religions come, and go. Guns, are an invention of man, a tool that can be both useful and serve man, and abused. Science revealed the atom, technology, a contrivance of man, applied the knowledge secured through science and used it to make a weapon, again, an invention, or contrivance, of man. It's when one man believes that his religion or his ideology is superior to another man's ......well, therein lies the problem. If I had the opportunity right now to go to Sochi for a once in a lifetime chance to see the winter Olympics I'm afraid that I would have to decline, Why? Because man hates man, historically this hatred is revealed through the dogma of religion, and one man's ideology and religion, he believes, is superior to another resulting in one religious looney trying to eliminate another.

How about the lunatic skeptics

I'm not even a Christian and i know hell is real.

I don't have to go to hell.

But i love the world.

Atheists should repent.

@@coyotecody132 "The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove." yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof So where's your proof that an *INVISIBLE MAGIC SKY GENIE* exists and created the universe, or that Jesus was a *VIRGIN-BORN DEMIGOD WITH SUPERPOWERS* and that his *ROTTING CORPSE MAGICALLY RETURNED FROM THE DEAD* before levitating bodily into outer space? Where's your proof for the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, etc?

Brainwashing and desire.

How they expect kids to believe that Santa is make believe, but walking on water, virgin births and rising from the dead after 3 days is real ….. Crazy stuff. Some people are so gullible.

Great👍👍👍👍 comment

Just for the record... and nothing really to do with religion... "God" is THAT formless Infinite, All Inclusive Consciousness /Awareness which is the underlying Essence ... of all that IS and IS NOT. This formless Consciousness / Awareness is that underlying Essence .... which both supports and permeates all experiential realities of the non-local / non-physical mind. We are ALL the *THAT* of 'I AM THAT'... because THAT is ALL that exists. The only 'difference' between Jesus and MOST human BEings is that He actually KNEW who He was... Infinite Consciousness IN A MANIFEST FORM... while most have no idea who/what they TRULY ARE. In a very real sense 'we' are ALL the "Dream of God"... and of course Dream and Dreamer are ONE and the same. Most are still caught up in the divine dream of "NOT God"... however... SOME ARE Awake, while fewer yet are fully Enlightened. The KEY is Grace... the Revealing power of "God" / Consciousness. One uch as Jesus was not only fully Enlightened .. but as a Grace Bestower in His own right, had the ability to Awaken (those who were ready) to their own Divinity. So... Jesus was "God", YOU ARE " God"... Everyone and everything IS " God"... at their core essence. The key to SELF REALIZATION is Grace alone. Grace rips away the veil of ignorance which hides our True SELF from us. Nothing 'here' is as it appears to be. This is all a Divine Play of Consciousness and YOU.. to say, your TRUE SELF, not who you THINK you are, are the ONLY ONE HERE. .. Playing ALL these roles... all for the sake of the experience. Religions are clueless when it comes to "God"... what they call God is nothing more than a flawed mind construct which they model after their own judgemental, ego veiled minds. .. thus they end up with this Judgemental Deity God which, sadly, looks a lot like their own distorting ego. They even go as far as to hijack and distort Jesus.. to fit their own dogmatic narrative. Fact: Those Grace Awakened BEings who actually KNOW "God" .... KNOW better than to bother with any religion. They KNOW that "God" / Infinite Consciousness is the actual ESSENCE of all that IS ... that Jesus is "God'.. and that they too ARE "God". ... Dream and Dreamer are ONE, and eventually the Dreamer Awakens... when the time is right. Point to something which is NOT "God" in essence... it is impossible. What we THINK we are does die.. however.. THAT which we Truly are, which is currently hidden from the mind, has Never been Born and Never Dies. That all pervasive Consciousness is our True SELF. There is nothing to be saved from except the ignorance of our own veiled mind.. that THINKS that something other than "God" could actually exist. That which is NOT "God" is not ultimately real, but only a temporary construct of the mind... the mind being The Creative TOOL of " God". All just meaningless words here UNTIL Grace strikes, destroying our false ego, and Revealing our True SELF to us. One such as Jesus is far FAR Greater than ANY religion can comprehend. Jesus IS "God" and REALIZES THAT.... while YOU are "God" .. who has YET to Realize this Ultimate Truth. Grace alone Awakens and Grace is a FREE AGENT, owned by no religion, individual or group. Whatever the veiled, finite mind THINKS "God" is will always fall short of THAT Absolute Reality. So.. SEEK WITHIN...Be still and KNOW what the thinking mind can never Know ... that "God" alone exists. Peace

& yet we named our age after this Jesus that never existed & we're still talking about this imaginary Jesus 2000 years later cause He never existed.

Name or link?

@@Mr.Witness Rank-Raglan mythotype

@@knowone11111 - who was it who said a lie can travel the whole world before breakfast while the truth is still getting it's pants on.

@@mushypeasplease8872 it didn't just "travel the globe". Ppl lived & died, (sometimes died in the most horrific of ways) for the Gospel over the last 2000 years from different cultures spanning the whole world. The Gospel has toppled entire kingdoms & continues to do so.

Low and behold: The power of ignorance! A message typed by somebody like you is a miracle itself. How can somebody type a message while having both index fingers in his ears shouting: "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA"? It's a miracle!!! Praiseth da lorda!

You don't have to believe any atheist. That would be silly. You have to ask yourself why you trust an ancient manuscript written by an unknown guy more than 1800 years ago. After that it was revised, expanded, corrected and messed up a few dozen times at least. Can you tell me exactly who found the empty tomb? Who, how many people and who did they see there.

I trust Poseidon. Poseidon knew Zeus personally. Poseidon was the brother of Zeus.

I would really be interested in your thoughts about Jesus calling Peter "Satan". Jesus says to Peter "Get behind me Satan". So you would trust a guy that Jesus specifically calls Satan. And just what kind of "Rock", as Peter is called, could also be Satan. Well Satan was once the brightest, but turned to the Dark Side. Then Satan would be the Moon (which is a Rock) and when Full the Moon is the brightest object in the Night Sky. But when the Moon is New, it is 100% totally Dark Sided, as we can't see it. So, you would rather trust Peter who is Satan which is actually the Rock we call the Moon. You trust the Moon because you are a Lunatic. LOL

Marty Davis The terrible magic trick atheists like to pull where they think they are proving a point by comparing people to the Greek Gods. We have no writings claiming to be written by the greek gods. And we have 0 motive as to why anyone would make up a collection of writings of the nature of the Bible. Greek Myth ARE much more comparable to a drug induced state than the Bible, I know, I've been reading them.

this is the best circular argument I've seen.

wmthewyld A circular argument is one in which the conclusion is used as a premise; or, to put it another way, an argument that assumes what it's conclusion is. In what way have I done that? If the truth claims of a religion are true then they should be independently verifiable. For example, if there were a group of scientists working in insolation we should expect them to make at least some of the same discoveries as other scientists.

fiveredpears this is absurd, science deals with the physical. Ask your question when spiritual science is developed.

wmthewyld Science is a systematic investigation into the way things are, it deals with what is; if there is the "spiritual" then it should be possible to investigate it in a meticulous way. That wouldn't be "spiritual science ", it would just be science. You are effectively admitting that there is no way that the claims of a religion can be discovered through investigation in an independent way. In the case of Christianity, all you have to go on are the writings of people who lived in the Iron age. Without those writings there is no way that a person making an independent study of reality could reach those conclusions. Christianity is making truth claims, truth claims aught to be verifiable. For example, if the human race was tricked into sin and was condemned to spend eternity in hell; there should be some way of establishing the truth of that in the world. If there isn't, then what is the status of a claim like that?

fiveredpears science is nothing more than "best guessing" with a degree. Here is just one item of proof. A notable case of a scientists using fraudulent material to promote Darwinism was the work of German scientist and atheist Ernst Haeckel. Noted evolutionist Stephen Gould wrote the following regarding Ernst Haeckel's work in a March 2000 issue of Natural History: “ "Haeckel’s forceful, eminently comprehensible, if not always accurate, books appeared in all major languages and surely exerted more influence than the works of any other scientist, including Darwin…in convincing people throughout the world about the validity of evolution... Haeckel had exaggerated the similarities [between embryos of different species] by idealizations and omissions. He also, in some cases - in a procedure that can only be called fraudulent - simply copied the same figure over and over again.…Haeckel’s drawings never fooled expert embryologists, who recognized his fudgings right from the start. Haeckel’s drawings, despite their noted inaccuracies, entered into the most impenetrable and permanent of all quasi-scientific literatures: standard student textbooks of biology... Once ensconced in textbooks, misinformation becomes cocooned and effectively permanent, because…textbooks copy from previous texts.... [W]e do, I think, have the right to be both astonished and ashamed by the century of mindless recycling that has led to the persistence of these drawings in a large number, if not a majority, of modern textbooks!" So much for accuracy in science.

Are you still alive ?

im happy to read your comment. ive wondered about how other countries have been working to purge themselves

@@Coryiodine we are all waking up. As a post-christian I can confirm it's a toxic, man made religion. Mostly doesn't make people's lives better, rather divides and uses judgement instead.

Yea, I know, right? Thor rules!

You still alive? If your comments are true youd be 98 now

What is your evidence for the historical christ?

shocked pikachu.

Richard Carrier's books dig even deeper, and dispell the errors (on both sides of the question). He does an excellent job of digging as deep as can be done. I do not believe anyone has busted him successfully.

What's obvious

OBVIOUS??,????

Carrier is not a New Testament scholar, and he gives bad arguments and contradicts mainstream scholarship. Read "The Historical Jesus," by Habermas; and "Jesus Outside the New Testament," by Vanvoorst

1. The change of the disciples. 2. The fact that a large number of Gentiles follow a Jewish teacher who was born while the 2nd temple still stood...more later.

I like the idea of verifiable truth, please show me observable evidence for evolution and I will do the same for the Bible, Jesus and/or GOD.

Oh go fuck yourself. "Prove science to me and I will give you evidence of my "beliefs" is not an argument, is proof positive that IQ is lacking. Nothing more.

Stormy Shadowy Stupid, it's show me "observable evidence" not prove science. Learn to read. Evidence is all you bozos ask for, I'm just doing the same.

I'm an atheist, but even if there were evidence, it is an immoral religion, a religion with a God who makes someone pay for others' sins. the fact that is acceptable to so many people is just abhorrent

sylmarmusic2012 The persons you mention are named in historical scripts - they all probably existed. The bible is not a historical script, but a holy book of myths for a certain religion. The bible was never even meant to be a historical script. Hard to understand, isn't it?

akronymus many, and I mean many,books of the bible are meant to be historical scripts (whatever that means).

mrjdgibbs maybe we should first define 'historical script'. Of course, the 5 books of Moses describe the descendente of the people of Israel from God Jhw in person -- but this is not a historical document in today's meaning of an exact list of dates, names, and facts. Also the new testament states the cv of Jesus, but in a collection of patchy, partly contradicting episodes which at large do not match with the Romans' historical records (Herodes was already dead at the time he alledgedly had all new-borns of Bethlehem killed, there was no such census as described by Lukas, etc etc). In other words: Plato, King Tut, Alexander appear in well-matching historical records of different sources and left works of own authorship. Nothing is conveyed of Jesus' authorship, all stories we have about him are taken down by followers, decades after his alledged time of life and death. No other contemporary source mention him. Of course, there is evidence of quite some Jewish preachers crucified as terrorists (proclaiming the rise of a new king who will kick out the Romans was judged as terrorism, if we use today's words), but there is no mention of one person that might fit to the apostles' scripts. To be fair, we can assume that the Romans didn't tend to write down too many details about their convicts (just as in recent history - the names of the people killed at Auschwitz and other such places were not written down either). Still, from source-material, there is no evidence for the person of Jesus as described by the apostles to have really existed. If there was a real Jesus (as founder of a 'cult' that turned out as very annoying for the Romans), what we can read about him today is very probably mixed with a lot of myth. The person exactly as stated in new testament probably did not exist, and the bible is not a historical script (in terms of historical science). I hope you can agree on this. Even if you believe in the truth in what the bible says (which you of corse may do - I don't dictate on other people how to explain the real or spiritual world), you might approve that there are no substantiated facts to proof the person 'Jesus'.

akronymus​ I think I can agree substantially with this. True the books of the Bible do not meet modern standards of history, and there is obviously much mythologizing. Sennacherib's seige of Jerusalem comes to mind. It is independently attested in second chronicles and by an Assyria stele,however it isn't likely to have happened in the manner presented by either of them. That's the challenge and the fun of ancient history. I'm not sure why people other than the apostles need to mention Jesus. But he is certainly mentioned at least once by Josephus, so there's that. But, of course, like you say, whatever we know is mixed with a lot of myth. Beyond that I, like you, am an atheist. I disagree that there are no substantial facts the prove the existence of the person, Jesus. But then I suppose that depends on your definition of the word "substantial". It is certainly true, however, that history serves no one's agenda. I think that's important.

akronymus you say The persons you mention are named in historical scripts -" Really? Wher is Hannibal mentioned by Roman historians at that time? Or Alexander by greek or Persian historians in his own time? or Socrates by people when Socrates was alive? In fact you will find little or no evidence but I await your backup for the supposed loads and loads od contemporaneous writings about them? So why do you have a different standard for Jesus?

attack the messenger and zero of the points he made. You must be a terrible anthropologist if you don’t even know basic logic and reason.

I saw a big face of an Atheist this evening, it was not just in my mind, i really saw his ugly face and than suddenly it talked, he told me that he named himself Bo and was a big joker of ridicule, than suddenly he vanished, i was not sad, he had nothing interesting to say anyway.

Beastt17 I'm going to have to make an argument why you're incorrect about your assumption. Except fromp Spinoza and Freud i don't know any Atheist that ment something for our world while in all other category's you have plenty, than who is it that is right ? Also Atheism is a relgion and i'm against religions or ism's at whole. But this doesn't mean that people must have their freedom to believe what they want and surely i don't accept ridicule from people that don't understand this and make fun of everything which is out of their comprehension like with Bo (if they have something interesting to say than i don't care)!!

Beastt17 About your tests ; in the tests done between religious people and Atheists than we are likely talking about small differences here (very small differences become statistically significant when the sample size gets large, this is important because these some differences, while statistically significant, are too small to have much practical importance). Finding a negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity is certainly interesting, but is a far cry from indicating that religious belief somehow causes people to be less intelligent or Atheists for that matter.

Beastt17 Well, i didn't see any Atheists of big importance there, can you tell me who they are than, except from Spinoza and Freud ? And please don't get personal like "the one who doesn't understand (much of anything, it appears), is YOU,and all the other stupid things you told". Well, English is not my first language but i do know 5, and i don't know about you, maybe 1 !! Talking about intellect, you didn't show any, not at least on what you are saying, to insult people of an other belief is intelligent ? Wow, not many smart people here, and you can sit in the front row. Please don't think that you are one of those intelligent Atheists in these tests, i hope you don't.

Beastt17 Stultus es !!

My hunch is, even if irrefutable evidence of Yeshua presented itself, then you still would reject the truth! And there is evidence that he was here, and that he was resurrected too!

@@darvad77frimml69 - con artists love you

And what of the origin of man? And have you studied ALL possibility and even, possibly evidence of creation and against creation in an unbiased manner? And by humbling yourself to recognize that, when looking for facts, opinions MUST BE EXCLUDED and emotions, MUST BE IGNORED, in order to reveal the truth? And I mean a diligent study that doesn't bow down at the 1st notion of opposition, either for, or against God's existence? Meaning, when archaeologists discover some biblical artifact that potentially proves the Bible to be a good historical document that is valid and trustworthy, are you going to accept that right away, without looking into it yourself? Or when they discover a Holy location that they claim, God left his signature at, but the secularists offer a possible alternative, will you diligently study, ALL, available information to help you in your pursuit of the truth? Because until then, and for the common good, you shouldn't offer an opinion unless, misinforming people isn't a big deal to you anyway! You should know that, according to the Holy Scriptures, we are held accountable for our actions! And if our actions influence or guide people away from the truth of God, and it turns out that the evidence that is for God is greater, then you might want to take my words seriously! Cause that is not a situation ANYBODY wants to face! Just saying. But for your son good, be wise enough to realize that our opinions do not determine reality! And that the trust would remain weather or not we ever lived! In wisdom, the truth is acknowledged, not decided! It is sovereign and absolute! Good luck!

@@mushypeasplease8872 spare me of your foolish and senseless exuberation Pride! Until you can present a logical debate that doesn't include the action of blurting senseless recognition on the matter, for your own sake, don't embarrass yourself!

All abrahamic religion are same....evil cult....

there's no way to respond to this incredible stupidity... in fact my response here is just random from dinking around on the net

@@jackwilson3867 Yes, the stories are very different. The attributes of each character, though... are pretty spot on between the two. But, I digress.

Far from

Almost all bible scholars are also Christians and get into the field for precisely that reason, so an appeal to majority is not really that convincing. In any case, it's not what people's opinions are that matters, but what they can actually demonstrate and unfortunately there's no information about Jesus outside a work that is, as you say, full of inconsistencies and contradictions in addition to making claims about violations of natural law. The fact that the existence of Jesus was not contested by critics is not really a major point either, given that there are no critics within a time frame where they could easily dispute it by pointing at living witnesses. What on earth do you suppose critics of Christianity in Rome would do to find out who lived in Jerusalem a century earlier? Hell, you're talking about a time period where people readily accepted miracle claims from other people and even "historians" reported omens and magic as well. In any case, the biggest problem with the claim "Jesus existed" is that it is very similar to "Abraham Lincoln the vampire killer existed". Even if there was a real guy motivating it all, it's abundantly clear that the mythical character did not exist and it's incredibly misleading to say that "Abraham Lincoln the vampire killer existed" merely because there was a historical person named Abraham Lincoln.

Gnomefro The field of New Testament scholarship is very diverse. There are many Jews and secular humanist, and even among Christians you have extremely liberals scholars like E P Sanders, Thom Stark and Dale Allision just name a few. Conservative scholars do not dominate the conclusions of this field; it is highly contested. But despite the biases of Christian, Jewish, and Atheist critical scholars of early Christianity and their diversity of opinions, they are untied in affirming that Jesus existed through their rigorous study of the original languages, culture, sociology, and theology of the 1st Century. While the only group of people who tend to deny that Jesus existed are "fundamentalist" atheist (Ex: Carrier and Atheism Plus?? really?) motivated by a desire to destroy Christianity rather than critically assessing facts.

***** So you're basically guessing that Jesus didn't exist without analyzing the entire New Testament yourself? You're relying on the words of others who also haven't done the same?

Athiests are Retarded. I guess George Washington didnt exist either. Neither did Buddha.

Zog, you are spelling-bee king. *Applause* Anarchist, wtf?? Neither is Jesus. There are more than 40 gospels right? as Carrier, himself mentions. So if any story about Washington, turns out to be a little fudged, we are safely assured, Georgie was actually a curious cartoon monkey,that we personified. LOL. Also, sure 3000 yrs from now, we will believe Abraham Lincoln was a vampire killer. But does that mean Abrhahm lincoln didnt exist? So you yourself are asserting, that ALL OF THIS we have today, doesnt just come out of one man's imagination. There must be a historical or factual basis behind it all, who is Jesus. Duh. How much of the Bible you want to believe is your perogative, but to take it to the extreme, and say that Jesus didnt exist? That's just fucked up. Especially given what he did for you and me. But i guess the world is full of fucked up people. Like you and me. It's like a guy jumps on a grenade to save his fellow troops, and you say it never happened. Geronfo, or however your name is spelled. You need to see miracles to believe? Well i do too. hah, so I did some research. Look into Buddha Boy. And you will see just a bit of what is possible, and what you nor any scientist of our day can concieve of. Yet is happening. Supernatural, as you athiests like to say. Showing you the wonders of our Father. (I am obviously...not a consevative Christian)

Because that whole Jesus thing is tagged on with all of the horrible things of the old testament, all of which Jesus continued and in some places made stricter. And in the end it didn't matter anyways, you could be a torture murder serial killer, but if you did it with Jesus in your heart you'd get into heaven. These beliefs are antiquated and don't have any proof in the first place, why take a bunch of weird bullshit as truth especially if it's not even attached to good beliefs. Trying to ignore the bad parts is carving out your own faith and has little to do with the Biblical Christianity that people uphold. You don't need some insane antiquated religion that prevents scientific progress and social progress to get people to love each other, in reality it just leads to hatred of other religions, gays, witches and others who don't fit into their structure. It's nice to say how good it is, but it's followers and not even the book itself meet the expectations that people push on it.

MrNoname7296/* Because that whole Jesus thing is tagged on with all of the horrible things of the old testament */ What are you on about??? Everything you just wrote has absolutely nothing to do with whether Jesus or anyone else existed. Are you an Anti-Semite? The Old Testament is a very fine and moral account of the history of the Jews. There are many things in their law if it was implemented would drop the crime rate in the West down substantially. /* These beliefs are antiquated */ No such thing as "antiquated". You're beliefs are antiquated by the same standards. The OT has absolutely nothing to do with beliefs. They are recorded historical accounts. /* You don't need some insane antiquated religion that prevents scientific progress and social progress */ Tell that to the Nazis and Communists who abandoned religion for "Science". You are probably completely ignorant of the fact that Science is born out of Christianity by Christians. You cannot have Science without Christianity. That is why the Communist atheistic states never developed Science. Christian scientists: Galileo, Keplar, Newton, Farraday, Maxwell etc Deist scientist: Einstein (Jew). Have you ever heard of them? There is no dichotomy between Religion and Science. Its like trying to create a dichotomy between Law and Medicine. That's an absurd statement you made. Religion guides social progress. You have no moral society without Religion. You would not even have Democracy without Christianity. Its funny how Atheism also goes towards National Socialism as witnessed by the 20th century "The Bible is the Government of the People, by the People, and for the People" - John Wycliffe (1382 )

Surfxeo I'm literally laughing at you because you think that the old testament is a respectable moral guide for anyone. Let's start, he's Jesus himself saying that every law from the old testament still applies completely so you can rule that out of your agenda. “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) You think that stoning disobedient teenagers is completely moral? You think that stoning women who get raped unless they marry they rapist moral? You believe that people wearing mixed fabrics being stoned is moral? You believe that killing your son because some cosmic psychopath told you to is moral? You think that stoning anyone who goes nearly as far to pick up sticks on the sabbath is moral? I fucking hope you don't, and the fact that others don't need this shit to make their own moral compass proves that people can be moral without the awful book that is the bible or it's reprehensible creator Yahweh.

MrNoname7296 First thing i wanna say is : the old tetament is not a moral book, nobody said this, it is a mixed history and stories of the Jews in relation with their God, not much morality there. Don't forget the old testament is a mix of many books. What Jesus was about are the commandments, specially the first 3 in the Torah, and these are moral codes !! the moral codes are ; be fruitful and multiply, love God as your neighbour, etc...It was this that Jesus refered to. Second : the kingdom of heaven is not place somewhere in heaven or somewhere els, it is a state of being which is difficult too reach, that's what Jesus ment.

Filip Weekx Actually, if you had ever read through the entire Old Testament and into the New, you will realise it is a moral book on the good and evil of mankind. The only good throughout originates with God who is supremely merciful to those who repent and yet just in demonstrating his wrath against all ungodliness. Second. The Kingdom of Heaven is not a state of being. If you read Jesus words you would know that Jesus is the King of Heaven and brought the Kingdom of God to earth. He began His work in bring the people to His Father and then time has been fulfilled the Kingdom will be brought together into the New Creation. The LORD Jesus Christ is the King of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Actually the only evidence he existed comes decades and sometimes centuries after his death. So no, there are no historical records that Jesus ever existed from the time period he lived. No records, no journal entries, no manifest lists, nothing. You would think Pontius Pilate would have at least mentioned him at some point or even Josephus. The only thing Josephus mentions is the brother of Jesus, Jesus (Yeshuas) being a common name at the time. There is some debate that Josephus mentioned Jesus (Yeshuas), but once again it was a common name such as Michael or Todd is today, he literally could have been talking about an eighth of all male jews.

The Talmud is a collection of oral Rabbinical teachings. Often non-contextual, and oft changing. Spoken, then written, it is over 6000 pages long, and consists mainly of the opinions of "teachers" who believed Yeshua was a false Messiah. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

What folly! There are surviving documents written by Caesar and entire cities named after Alexander and Constantine. Millions of people fought for and died under their generalship, cities were destoryed and built. Then there are coins, busts, laws and many many contemporary references. This doesn't mean Jesus didn't live of course (he probably did) but it is less certain than those you mentioned. If this were not the case then the [possible] constantine wouldn't have needed the council of Nicaea to finalise the formal details of Jesus' life.

Could say all those things, good or ill, concerning Yeshua also...if you count what was done in his name.

There are no "missing" years. His travels to Ethiopia and Turkey and other areas of Asia Minor are fairly well documented, if one bothers to research; which most do not. They'd rather mock than learn. MAYBE you're just another ill-informed, foolish troll.

Do you have a PHD,george beotes? Don't be so sarcastic,show a little respect,moron.

Actually,Abraham Lincoln didn't perform an miracles,which is more evidence that he's real. Atheist study history in a different then idiotic christians.

In a way he did, but he paid a price.

This guy is a TWINKIE without the filling!

I'm not a TWINKIE. I'm a TWINKLE. ;`)

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Jesus is mad at us for denying his existence, clearly ;)

IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT JESUS EXISTED!!!! IN FACT, IS THE MOST PROVEN FACT IN ANCIENT HISTORY!!! Google it! EVEN THE ROMAN EMPERORS DONT HAVE AS MUCH PROOFS THAT THEY EXISTED AS JESUS HAS!! AND THE PROOFS DONT COME ONLY FROM CRISTIAN SORSES, BUT FROM ROMAN, GREEK, AND SECULAR JEWISH. NO RESPECTFUL HISTORIAN, INCLUDING MANY AGNOSTIC HISTORIANS COULD DENAY THE CHRIST EXISTENCE NEITHER HIS LIFE! MORE OVER, JESUS CHRIST FULFILLED OVER 300 PROPHECIES, NO PERSON ON THIS EARTH CAME EVEN CLOSO TO ONLY FIVE FULFILLED PROPHECIES! THERE NO PERSON ON EARTH THAT CURED EVERY KIND OF ILLNESS AND DISEASE, JUST BY SPEAKING TO IT! AND FINALLY THERE IS NO PERSON ON EARTH WHO CONQUERED DEATH! WHAT BETTER EXPRESSION OF LOVE AND HUMILITY FROM THE ARCHITECT OF THE WHOLE UNIVERSE TOWARDS YOU, TO COME ON THIS EARTH TO BE HUMILIATED, BEATEN AND KILLED, SO YOU AND I CAN HAVE A FREE REDEMPTION! ITS THE ULTIMATE LOVE LETTER FROM OUR CREATOR TOWARDS YOU AND ME!PlEASE, DONT LET YOUR IGNORANCE DESTROY IT! YOU WILL END UP IN PLACE WHERE THERE IS NO GOD FOR AN ETERNITY!!!

Navas

Lol nobody watches soccer lol

@@j-subscribw it's football not soccer

I AM the returned Christ - the reincarnating God-incarnate; see 7seals.blogspot.com .

You mean Jesús

Perhaps a better way of showing things is to see how many christians are killed each year everywhere arround the globe. I don't think that there is group of people more persecuted then christians, besides perhaps the Jews. And in this view I don't include catholics, which is the false church offcourse that is 'blessed' with temporary material wealth and temporary wordly influence and power. Also nowhere in scripture is there written that every true believer will be healed of any illness, God told the apostle Paul, that His mercy was enough for him, to prevent him to become prood. Also God says we should drink some wine now and then for 'our many infermeries'. Also I think that most true believers, like me have a hard time refraining from sinning, and this prevents further healing, this is a lack of faith and a lack of persuit. When the world creeps back in...

MrTruth111 And what is it that we know about Paul? Do you know who wrote the New Testament Gospels? Most of what religious people claim cannot be proven or disproved. However, many aspects of religion, particularly some truth claims and historical accounts recorded in scripture, can be tested. If the Bible were true, then it would pass every test. However, it tends to fail every test. Yes, we know where Jericho and Jerusalem are. OK. But there are hundreds of things recorded as the word of God that can be completely proven false. The bronze-aged goat herders that wrote that book didn't know what they didn't know, and they filled it the gaps with a lot of speculation that now can be proven false. No sense it continuing to believe, so why do you?

MrTruth111/\ As if people being killed for believing in foolish traditions is somehow an evidence that their foolish traditions are true. That argument is truly foolish, yet so many Christians hang on to it. Go figure.

MrTruth111 "I don't think that there is group of people more persecuted then christians" Are you fucking kidding me. You're the least oppressed religious group in history.

I hope that you understand the differance between religion and wise,informed decision knowledge which can never be proven or even compaired with empirical evidence, it is like water, whenever you want to grasp it, it flows through your hands. Truth and real knowledge is something you know and feel in your guts, it is unselfish, straight to the core love.

Yeah until logic and reasoning came it contradicts these beliefs

Every body needs a pet Jesus.

Today, there are the“flat earther’s”. People that are sure that if a black cat crosses your path, it will give you bad luck, or that the coronavirus is just going to magically disappear (they never explain what century it will disappear). So, is it hard to understand that a few thousand years ago, there were story tellers that could peace together elaborate fiction that would be eventually written into book form that still exists and that it still has devotees as dedicated as the Area 51 conspiracies theorists? Remember last year when a Facebook post went viral after it was put up by Matty Roberts on June 27, 2019? There’s a lot of crazy people out there.

You can look this up, you know.

@@granthurlburt4062 Sure, if Google Scholar references ALL professional journal articles everywhere, which I'm sure it probably doesn't. I didn't find any there, so I was wondering if anyone else knew of any?

@@tommcmahan: Wikipedia has a long entry on Richard Carrier. It’s a good place to start.

@@MarshallArtz007 Sure, and I did look there and...there's no reference to any peer-reviewed article on the topic of Jesus' existence.

@@MarshallArtz007 And, just to be clear, I'm not saying he's not credentialed, I'm not saying he hasn't written anything that's peer reviewed...he is and he has. He's written blog posts, apparently one book, talks a lot about Bayes Theorem, which isn't how history works but ok...in short, he writes a lot of stuff, is always contrarian, but I haven't seen a reference to any of his works specifically on this topic being in a peer-reviewed journal of early Christian scholars.

That's not true at all. Often there isn't enough evidence to make a clear case and you can only speak in terms of what you think is more likely. Not being a historian myself I can't really judge the validity of his arguments but the use of the word "think" is in no way an imputation of his talk.

gogerychwyrndrobwll Indeed, use of the words "why I think" show that rather than full out attacking christianity, he is simply presenting his ideas and why he believes what he believes. He is making an effort to not offend christians and simply explain his reasoning for being aetheist. Basically, he isn't being a douche. And as a christian myself, I seek to educate myself on the facts so that when I present my argument, I'm not just pulling it out of my ass. And it is a lot easier for me to try and understand the reasoning behind aetheism when they aren't taking cheap shots at christians.

You may not be a christian but you sure as hell sound like a religious person. That is not how evidence works at all. And it's only religious people that need to say they "know" (even when they don't). Someone can say by the evidence I think point A may be true. By taking that stance you will continue to confirm or deny the point. By saying I know for sure, then there's no need to continue and/or confirm.

The same goes for Jesus, why would people prove Jesus was delusional when it is clear he was not, so i hope you understand that your question was not so smart.

Filip Weekx Mr. smart guy, why is it so clear to you that Jesus was not delusional? Do you have any evidence that he was not delusional? The reason I Am saying he was delusional is because there a re no evidence to prove any supernatural forces besides man made fairy tales and superstitions. You need to be smarter than that to realize man made god. Religion has got you by the balls.

atam mardes Man kind built his time line on the birth of Jesus !! If you think men is delusional than maybe it is better to look in a mirror !!

You just understood one thing, it is all about having vision, ask Einstein,Plato,Pythagoras,Max Planck,etc... It is true that men did make interpretations about Jesus words and doings, but this doesn't mean that Jesus was not a historical person, to much leads to his real existance.

Filip Weekx Vision for believing is superstitions? Jesus as a person must have existed but people make up fairy tales. Don't you get it? No evidence for god. Religion has got the naive by the balls.

yourself o.o

@@justinw1219 I believe in God but I'm sry that was hilarious 😂😂😂

Still alive Bill?

Antuan Grantham No he’s probably dead, probably a Christian who forgot to take the correct medication because he thought God would heal

Bill, still alive homie?

check back in Bill :D lol we need to know if you have become one with the stardust yet !

The locale of all consciousness awaits your arrival. May it be blissful

ha ha ha; I can't believe the lengths that theist's have to go to due to their fear of death.

chris cole I don't believe it either; that's why all pagan including worshipers of the god moon, the god monkey ( monkey to humans), the god nature, the god of the mother earth did it, they all came up with these ideas due to their fear of death. All pagans (monkey worshipers included) will eventually die and face their Creator.

oh, yes......the "creator" can't wait for that!! Well if that's, true i will finally get to meet my idol George Carlin, in hell i suppose! anyways, i gotta get back to my letter to Santa. u think he gets email?

chris cole Don't worry Chris; you'll see all your idols there, if there were humans. Santa, ah... you mean Satan? Ha ha. You mentioned it, not me. Plus, you mentioned you wanted to go to Hell; we didn't send you there.

good to know someone knows whats going on! thanks for sorting me out!! & i meant Santa. He's real, right? otherwise this letter is worthless!!

Everyone he’s stating are certified historians... not delusional bias christians...

Yes.

Do you both fancy him or something lol

@@Dreammaster695 Hahaha, that's your comeback? you didn't like the answers and you came back with, "do you fancy him?"

C V what answers? A comeback to what exactly will I make a debate about how I don’t believe in Santa Claus? The person in this video is a fool I am studying Jesus Christ so I think I should why if it’s some make up character he isn’t thanos or iron man he’s as real as you and me!

How do you know?

@@marcdewey1242 we can find million year old dinosaurs and thousand year old mummies and not one bone of anybody in the bible just " we believe"

Jesus-J_oshua, M-oshua, Y-eshua, Y-oshia, Jonas (in the belly of the fish) - Jesus and the Messiah (Moses) are the same person. They are products of our collective subconscious .

@@garystevenson5560 proof please

@@jamesstrothers8928 At 72 I must be casted in a bag (the symbolic belly of the fish) -Jonas- A double rainbow should appear. You will get your proof in 10 years.

That's the thing Jesus is not knowledge or science , He's an encounter. An experience that is supernatural, so i encourage you not to stop trying to find answers .

@@NICKYSYMONEE Then tell me why only a small population have this "supernatural" experience?

@@scottlouissmith2382 From a natural perspective ;you will have encounters/understanding/revelation or experience in things you seek answers for , likewise your mind and reasoning rejects truth you're not open to , much like what your're doing now. Strangely enough the bible highlights this human way of thinking and gives a combative solution.off " you will seek me and find me when you search for me with your whole heart . Jerimiah 29:13. this is saying is that if you would let go of your own understanding and genuinely ask God for a supernatural encounter that proves his existence then, that's what you you get. It was not the dictation from a man on a pulpit that showed me God but God himself who comes to enlighten ALL men. John 1: 9,10.

he's wrong tho lol

@@scottlouissmith2382 narrow is the gateway that leads to eternal life and very few find it. I could debate richard carrier as why he is wrong. He is using other reglions to assume jesus is added into it. Jesus is mentioned in the talmud. and the jews hated him. if he didnt exist they wouldn't mention him.

and people continue to predict his return every year. what's your point? Jesus didn't' actually promise he would return in the lifetime of his first followers to end the world. I know, you have heard the opposite many times. but please, your excuse will be "well they changed it in the text to something else... but they also kept the old part and thought nobody would notice and put it back in there next to the changed part... but nobody noticed until atheists came along because we're the only smart people" right? some Christians back then thought he would return right away, just like there are guys on youtube right now saying he's coming back XXX day. do they speak for all of us? Jesus said we would not know his return, but you think that means he did know, because it would be within a few years and by the time they wrote it down the time was already up? give me a break. I know, you think Christians are that dumb. get over yourself...

the reason you guys don't believe in Jesus Christ is simple... you reject the entire concept of God and the supernatural. if you didn't, you admit these things are just as possible as any other mystical claim. so it really doesn't matter if this or that excuse comes to pass (bad effects of Christianity in history, whether this or that miracle was a historical event, whether all the Gospels attest equally to this particular detail, whether Jesus was supposed to return at a certain date, the genealogies, etc). I mean, who are you trying to convince? the fundies will just ignore you anyway, and those more learned already know the answers to these questions. so who is your target? the person who puts "Christian" on a census form but hasn't been to church (other than weddings and funerals) or cracked a bible (to actually read it) for years? the Jesus Mythicism stuff is really the worst part. it doesn't make one look rational or inquisitive, it just makes a person look insane, like a flat earther.

You obviously don't know the Bible at all or haven't read it from the beginning to the end. If you had done literature in college or university you would have read and reread what exactly Shakespeare was trying to imply. And yet you discard the Bible without even trying trying to understand what it says. God is eternal and his words are eternal. If you study the Bible carefully you will realize that the Words he has spoken are for eternity, " In the beginning was the word, and the word......"

I think the whole business is ridiculous.

@@HeroQuestFans A god that would create hell in the first place, make someone else be tortured for others' sins, and get his rocks off on that, and send people to hell for eternity for not believing in something invisible, is petty and monstrous.

Sure you can. Google "Ebionites" Those were the Israelite-Christians; followers of the preaching of the apostles to the Jewish community in Jerusalem. [of course, the community then was expecting the messiah to bring the end of Roman rule so . . . that didn't happen. No wonder Christianity had to happen somewhere other than Israel. The Israelites knew better.

well, they were illiterate, so....

Brandy Mundy I have heard that the Gospels were written about 40-70 years after the accepted death of Jesus. The people who wrote the New Testament probably never met him.

@@paulpetrovich8779 no one ever met geezuz! He is a foist, Period!

Dr. Reagan Boone, PhD well, I believe they established there was a Pontius Pilate. They found a funeral ossuary with the name Kiafus Engraved on it from the 1st century. You could be absolutely correct about that. There are many holes in the story, I agree. The thing I can not understand is why the belief in Jesus is still so pervasive today if it is all myth.

2 Corinthians 2:14 national man receiving not the fans of God sir you can't be helpful you believe the Bible the Bible changed my life and thousands of others you must believe Jesus who he said he was until it comes of a reality it's my face if you don't believe the gospel you will burn in hell

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@@johnnycanupp2123 your life being changed by the Bible gives no credence whatsoever to whether or not those scriptures have any truth to them

@@johnnycanupp2123 - Uh yeah, what a loving, kind, compassionate god you have there that would send a soul to burn in hell for eternity because the person chose to not believe in a nonsense story of Jesus dying for our sins! What if Allah is the real god? Guess where you're going!

@@johnnycanupp2123 You should listen to the presentation, then go from there.

We are all God's creation only those who He adopts become His children. Jesus is so special because He is the first born of God. Because He was born into a man and lived a perfect life and then was sacrificed and died to pay for the sins of the entire world. Because He rose again and lives forevermore to show us that eternal life is real. So special because He was obedient and did the will of the Father and gave Him the glory, honor and praise. So special because He single handedly restored our ability to go directly before God and communicate with him directly. Other than that He's just a regular guy. It's all in the Bible. You know the B.asic I.nstructions B.efore L.eaving E.arth book that God co authored will fallible man to show He is NOT fallible. 66 Books and 44 Authors Check it out sometime if you care to it's one heck of a book most widely distributed and translated book than any other in the history of the world.

Mary Sue Beth We are not god's creation, it's the other way round. Mankind created gods thousands of years ago as a way of trying to understand the world. There is no god, and Jesus (if he existed)was not his son and neither was he the son of a virgin because basic biology shows that it's impossible for a virgin to get pregnant. The bible is nonsense.

Mary Sue Beth What do you mean Jesus paid for the sins of the world?

Sammy Skeptic Jesus paid the penalty for all of fallen man's sins once and for all. That's why He said on the cross just before He gave up His spirit. "It is finished". However God does require we except His free gift willingly. That is why we are told, "Whosoever believes in Jesus will be saved but whosoever believeth not is condemned already". That is also why we are not our own to do our own we have been bought and paid with by the blood of Jesus. It's kinda like say I gave you a million dollars but I didn't hand it to you directly I deposited it in a bank for you. Then I told you what bank and all you had to do was go there and give your name to get your money but you chose not to believe me. All you had to do is go to the bank and ask them for the money but instead chose not to. Does that mean you are not a millionaire? Well, yes and no. You are but if you don't access the money then your are not rich. I hope this analogy helps, by the way I didn't really give you any money it was just for an example that God has provided for everyone but not everyone knows thats what I'm doing here writing to you. You see my job is easy God aid go tell the the good news. It's not my job to make you believe in fact I can't and I don't have to. No one can come to God accept the Spirit of God draws Him. Is He drawing you? He doesn't take pleasure in the wicked perishing but we are made in His own image and so one of our traits is to be self sufficient. You see we don't want God but we need Him, He on the other hand does not need us but wants us. Born once die twice, born twice die once. It's not just a clever saying...

fred forty With man it is impossible but with God all things are possible. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion and I respect that. However this is what God has to say... "Only a fool says in his heart there is no God" I often am amazed remembering what God said to Job, "where were you when I created the foundation of the earth?" I would pose the same question to you but I know better. I just want you to think about it though. Are you by any chance one of those people that blame everything on somebody else? That hates their own life or circumstances? Did someone mistreat you that you now have a forgiveness problem? What has hardened your heart? No matter God is ready to give you a new heart if you only ask and believe. One more thought, I wonder since God is love how can those that do not know Him the author of love know how to love themselves or others?

Stan Kowalski no silly. That was Yeshu existence documented in Talmud, where he is described as being a student of the second century BCE.

""Even the most brilliant scientific minds on our planet still cannot figure out how to produce / create a single-cell organism."" But the beauty of science is that one day we *WILL* figure it out, and at that time your silly bronze age superstitious fairy tales still won't have gotten you any further than you are now.

Spontaneous Feet Becausepeople follow their own selfish pleasures. In order to be holy, you have to deny your ungodlu and flewshly lusts, and live descreetly, righteously and godly in Jesus

Morgan Hastings Sexual relationships within a goldy, commited marriage can be beautiful and meaningful. The world need people that only Christians can make - people who walk in love, purity and honour. The world has seen enough carnality and godless sinfulness, Sir

Morgan Hastings Today, Millions of people have experienced the love and power of Christ just as well. You are missing out :)

Morgan Hastings Yes, I do believe in logic. And my logic clearly tells me that if only I listened to Jesus and the Holy Spirit instead of following my own selfish desires, I would save myself so many problems, because the spirit is TRUTH

Johnnie Blotus Jesus says : " LOVE your enemies, and do good to those wo hate you" who is Johnny B. Lotus ? who evern cares what he says? Good day

That's a beautiful picture if that's you Jamie, best wishes to you and yours :)

How come, Jordan Peterson believe in the Christian message is it?

@@tonalnahual1 Easier to manipulate certain types of people when you have something with history or precedent to use and appeal to.

***** Time spending with you explaining is a tough job, especially the unappreciative assumptions.

***** All assumptions. People with personal revelation is not all about stimuli. Sometimes by knowing the truth that consciousness is not all about what we conceive naturally but supernaturally as well. It doesn't mean if you share some skepticism with someone it doesn't mean its true since other someone share some truths with someone that your skepticism will just override it. And that is very unscientific and very mainstream. In scientific point of view it, it should be given a benefit of a doubt till proven that it isn't true. Dismissing it just like that doesn't mean it will go away. Just delusion it ddn't exist.

Beastt17 Beast go home!!! Stop uttering nonsense LMAO

Beastt17 Im not the one who keeps running away on an argument, keep dreaming illogical logic is logical

Beastt17 My friend, im not the issue here, so where are you taking me today?

He hardly ever posts on youtube ru-vid.com/show-UCbAJho2pD8QcizpGq2wMijg

Please get to the point! My God. This guy just talks and never makes a point. He’s as bad as Peterson.

@@Hoireabard I think you will find it the most logical of all the Jesus never existed Scholars. One video I would semi-agree but that about Peter and Luke.

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Why don't you do your own research and make your own podcast and be truthful..