Why Intel x86 will DIE sooner than you think! (RIP 1978-2022) 

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I love when the competition among these corporations bring out a better product for the consumer.

This ain't a scene. It's a goddamn ARMs race.

new drinking game: every time he says "on top of that" take a shot.

That thumbnail 😂

In short, the decisions made by Apple can set the future for the whole tech industry.

Hold your horses. The world still runs on x86. Professionals and companies cannot afford the luxury of jumping to ARM because of SW compatibility.

Been there done that, we thought the same back in the 90ies. With Mips, Alpha, Power and SPARC outperforming X86. But the reciliance of the X86 architecture was underestimated. Sure Arm will grab a slice of the market, but my guess is that X86 will be the market leader for the forseable future. One thing that is important when you look at the performance of the M1 chip, is the tight integration of OSX that Apple can achieve.

I am somewhat skeptical, Intel is ivesting a lot of money in making their chips similar to ARM like Big and Little Cores. There is tons of compatibility issues that would arise. Microsoft have not ditched even 32 bit software support, it would take at least 10 years to transition everything to ARM. Heck, a lot of companies still running WN7 and you might stumble across XP if you look hard enough.

Two words: SOFTWARE LIBRARY. So no, x86 is not going anywhere, and nobody cares what Apple is doing, they hopped arcitectures before and doing it now but nobody else is.

well x86 wont be gone anytime soon except in apple ecosystem. all of those OEM and app developer for PC cant suddenly ditch x86 and moved to arm since windows doesnt control its own ecosystem and dont forget about game console, right now you can develop game for console the same way you develop for PC if PC suddenly ditch x86 for arm, developing those games will be much more difficult, unless ms can work together with OEM to make real time translation module inside arm chip in conjunction with optimization in windows

you guys missed a very important point: intel still has the majority of the market share simply because they can produce a lot more. Advanced node such as 5nm and 7nm simply doesn't have the capacity to fulfill the demands.

The M1 chip is obviously really good and other ARM CPUs are also getting faster. Totally agree that Intel should be worried, but Mac OS market share is below 10%. The rest - well over 90% is basically x86. IMO Intel's main problem isn't the x86 architecture, but that they fallen behind in production technology.

There is a world (huge population) beyond America. Not everyone is rich enough to buy Mac products. Definitely majority of people would go for Intel or AMD based computers. They don’t care what is the performance as long as the computer price fits into their budget. Until then x86 lives.

Intel just signed a contact with TSMC to use their 3nm tech. I think I’ll give them 3 more years and see how intel performs in 3nm before deciding if they’re dying

this is mind blowing how can a report form 2011 know what happend in ten years

X86 will never die. Intel might loose the share to AMD but X86 will always be there.

So as for right now, Intel is scrambling to fend off all their competitors left and right from Apple to even Nvidia. This will not be good for Intel.

One of the best features of this channel (and your brother's) is that you just simply talk - without background music. NO MUSIC People. I can't tell you how many otherwise good and informative vids are ruined by so many idiots insisting to include horrible - or any, for that matter - background noise (music). An informative video should focus on speech and teaching and information. Thanks Max for getting this right.

The only thing I disagree with is that Intel is attempting to compete with Apple. nobody will be buying apple chips except apple. nobody uses macOS except Apple. this is trying to deal with other companies making ARM chips for Windows an linux based system OEMs. so it is more microsoft attempting to compete to keep software devs. Because if they dont make windows for ARM then the chip companies and OEMs can make all they want and it won’t matter because windows won’t run on their systems. intel is just responding to ms trying to keep devs. not apple directly

That's intel's problem in a nut shell. They haven't - it appears - got anything to replace it, so they're going to loose market share pretty quickly. They'll probably end up merging or buying an ARM design to complete with in the next 12 to 18 months.

Everyone is ARM until there is a failure on RAM/CPU/SSD/GPU that makes them to buy a whole new device

Apple will not be passing on cost savings to consumers with their M1 though - as long as ARM is confined to macOS on PCs, it's gonna face an uphill battle in market share because most people don't want to buy boutique priced PCs.

I can't wait what Amd and Nvidia is preparing . Maybe their arm cpus will outperform that of Apple . We need that competition .

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Since most of the PC games are still compiled for x86, I think it will still take a while for x86 to die

I like how Tim Cook is laughing

It’s 2023. x86 still going strong

01:50 - That’s false. The score of the 11900K in Geekbench 5 is ranging between 1800-1900, not 1669. It beats the M1. Also let's not forget that the 11900K is manufactured on 14nm whereas the M1 on TSMC's 5nm which is 2 full process nodes ahead. And despite that difference in manufacturing Intel still has the edge in terms of performance. Give Intel the same node (as it will happen on 3nm) and Apple chips will be left in the dust.

I just dont get it why should it die? Pre-ryzen AMD was in a tough spot but they overcame it. Back to my question why should it die, it has a big budget they got their own fabs etc. if everyone suddenly turns to arm what's stoping intel from following the trend? If the underdog did it, what's stoping the big player from doing it as well?

Dude I always enjoy watching your videos, I can just tell a huge amount of research and time goes in your vids. Keep it up✌️

Unless the operating system and programs for the chip are optimized switching to ARM will not matter for years. Apple has had a headstart so it will be interesting to see how well these businesses catch up.

I’m excited about the future of ARM going forward. Another interesting thing to note is Samsung is supposedly making their own custom CPU Exynos cores again. But this time it will be done by an ex-Apple employee and they will have control of their own team at Samsung.

dude when i see the graph of m1 vs intel performance i laugh for no reason

Intel rules the server market so it's curious to watch the ARM in that space too

Dependence on Intel and the stagnation of x86 architecture advancements is definitely keeping the “state of the art” from moving forward. As soon as ARM (or other competing processors) can emulate 64 bit x86 programs as a stop gap, we can finally start seeing windows based mobile devices that can stay “always on” and “always connected” with more power per watt and true all day battery life, without performance throttling due to overheating.

I think x86 will die soon in laptops, but in desktops, no way, the pc gaming market is a huge industry that won’t die that easy

Can’t wait to see how windows laptops perform before my next purchase.

Unfortunately, RISC-V is several years behind ARM in performance/watt. But, with Intel's backing it should catch up pretty quick.

"Sooner than you think" -> People have been saying this longer than most of us in the comment section have been alive, and it still hasn't happened. ARM being the only true competitor and sucking balls says it's going to be here as long as intel doesn't stumble onto something better which is just an upgrade from x86-64. 😑

cpu industry literally went from intel monopoly to competition heaven and the biggest winner is the consumer

Great video, thanks. I was searching for such a video to summarize the ARM situation in laptops and I found it here, please make an update on this video in 3-4 months.

M1 is not the same thing as Arm. It is a version of Arm heavily optimized for a closed platform. That optimization won't flow back to ARM IP, b/c Apple won't let it happen.

As always, great speculative analysis. Tight, structured, well explained and well spoken. Great video!

I'm interested to see if Qualcomm can really pull it off and design a chip that is comparable to the M1

Windows X86 laptops are 80% of the laptop market with Apple at 7.5%, and Windows X86 desktops are 77% of the desktop market, with 17% Apple. X86 isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

I don't think x86 CPUs are not going to die sooner or later completely because of some demands from businesses, which sometimes need to use legacy x86-based softwares. Surprisingly, executives and managers (who especially are not technically knowledgeable) are so reluctant to apply newer technology, so they just want to keep old software without recompiling. They even just don't want to upgrade the computer due to the potential compatibility problem and possible delay. Even small changes in their system might require extensive testing because someone wants to avoid blaming if some unexpected problems or because any regulation needs that. Especially, some government or banks are using old legacy x86 softwares with legacy programming language for stability and reliability. (they sometimes suffers lack of developers because they are using legacy programming languages, which many people are not learning anymore.) However, if MS finally develop the solution of running x86 codes on ARM-based processors, then the cost of migration might be eased. Thus, x86 systems are not gone forever, but it will have higher price tag for businesses and high-end gamers. It will become a thing for niche-market. It will incur higher technical supporting cost because x86 systems will be faded out from mainstream consumer market. In addition, x86 systems may have some demands from professional computing-intensive works because it is cheaper than Mac Pro with same performance. I think your verdict/estimation is valid on mainstream consumer market especially on mobile computing. Surely, the laptops will equip ARM-based processors in any form because of its advantage in performance and low power consumption. I am also thinking about purchasing new MacBook Pro with ARM-based processors to use main laptop. (my brand new budget x86 gaming laptop is just a supplementary.)

Intel won’t die. They’ll adapt and keep on. They may not enjoy the market share they had, but they won’t die. For once, Apple was first out the stalles. The thing that is unbelievable, is that this was so predictable, for how many years are we talking about Apple going for its own silicon?

I remember all the discussion during the transition to PowerPC about how RISC based architectures would eventually overtake CISC due to CISCs inherent limitations, to me it is remarkable that they have kept x86 cooking (pun intended) along. I wonder if most people understand how long Apple has been invested in the underlying technologies that make up the M1 soc? Didn’t the original newton sport an ARM chip because Apple invested substantially in its development? I find Apples long game amazingly insightful.

Great content! Everything looks so much clearer after you piece the information together!

emulating x86 on ARM is more taxing because ARM uses a reduced instruction set, meaning it has to do more operations to get the same output.

All I'm expecting is 2-day battery life with excellent performance and just not worry about charging like a smartphone!!

Doesn't matter x86, ARM or whatever as long as my apps run well on the device made with whichever architecture.

If you know intels naming convention, your wont talk about Horse creek as a new CPU product. A new CPU will always be called Lake not Creek. Creeks are always name of test chips that Intel designs for testing various aspects of IP or process node. Intel's planning to purchase SiFive not because its going to ditch X86 and move to SiFive's RISC processors. SiFive chips are simple and low power and good for very small footprint devices which X86 cannot. SiFive's processors dont perform anywhere close to X86 so ditching X86 is not going to happen anytime soon

Great video, Max! I was planning on purchasing a MacBook Air today, but I think I should wait till August or September.

Arm based chips dont have upgradability so X86 may not die. It may still be used in desktop computers.

For standard users yep, x86 will Die...for Servers where lands the powerhouse of everything we run as backend...nope.

As a linux user, you can install linux on any x86 and it will be fine but not on Arm. On arm, you must make sure that the linux distro actually support your specific cpu or otherwise it won’t boot up. So Arm is more locked than x86. X86 is more open. Also you are talking as if Arm is something new and that is better than x86. The first Arm cpu was released in 1985, just 7 years after the first x86 so it is not new. So why is it any different, it has been around for a long time and it didn’t take over. Arm is best for low power devices like phones and that is why phones never used x86. And x86 is better if power is not a problem (desktop), if power is not a problem then x86 will crush Arm 100%

It would be interesting if you got hold of performance data for the Fujitsu AF64X chips which is ARM design with 48 cores.

Microsoft has always been known to keep one foot on the door. I have a feeling they'll still keep some of their x86 products on hand just in case.

You guys put the M1 on such a pedestal. Someone I know does things with his Intel Mac Mini that would make an M1 Mac Mini choke. His system, with 32 GB of RAM, edited a video with 3 sources, 2 iPhones and 1 high end camera, in real time using Final Cut Pro. The video was around half a terabyte in size. He did this, applying effects, filters, inserting text, in REAL TIME. Can you explain the logic of designing a CPU that has hard wired a 16 GB maximum memory limitation? Even the 27” IMac 5k that they still sell today let’s you remove a panel and put up to 128 GB in it. You might argue that most people now have an average of 16 GB, with the number with 8 GB slowly shrinking. But Apple’s target customers, when you get away from the MacBook Air systems, are VIDEO editors and artists of various types. Hardwiring 16 GB seems to be a serious oversight. While disk swapping with SSD’s is far less noticeable than with mechanical hard disks, the large number of reads and writes associated with disk swapping remains the same, resulting in shorter SSD lifetimes. People can be fooled into thinking all is well by the lack of delays disk swapping causes using SSD’s as a result of only having 16 GB when editing large files, but if those same systems had 32 GB or more RAM, their system’s lifetime would be substantially longer due to disk swapping activity being greatly decreased. Also, again thinking of their demographic for higher end systems, what’s the logic behind allowing only ONE external monitor out of the box? Yes, if you spend $300 plus dollars for a decent hub you can add two external monitors, but why should you have to? And why doesn’t the M1 Mac Mini support an external video card, like the Intel Mac Mini does? Their integrated GPU has a long way to go to be as fast as a Vega eGPU with a decent amount of RAM. Currently, none of the above issues apply to their Intel higher end systems that have Intel processors. Yes, I agree that the above issues will likely be addressed (hopefully) with the next iteration of their M-series processors. But for now, and maybe two years from now. I think it’s a little early to celebrate Intel’s funeral. Come back when you have a serious system.

Agree. Arm is the future, and next year is going to be crazy with all the arm based systems, and windows 11

looking at the thumbnail, for a HOT SECOND i thought Tim Cook died🤣

We need an arm for gamers

I think x86 makes sense in enterprise platforms. The purpose of ARM is mostly low-power consumer grade applications and mobility.

Losing apple intel has lost maybe just 20% of their PC business, but that's NOT enough to kill them. Funny that people thinks company owning 80% of market share will die over a company with just 20%.

Until AAA title games are launched on ARM, x86 will still be my (and many other people's) favorite processor architecture.

Can we call this "The ARMs race has begun"?

Have PC with Ryzen 5600x and Mac on M1. Same price for device. In most tasks (browsing, docs work, zoom and etc) they are overpowered and I dont feel any difference. In video editting and work with DAW (audio) I prefer Ryzen for much faster rendering and lower latency in audio monitoring. I really enjoy that Apple start revolution and progress in CPU production, but I cant agree that x86 is almost dead.

ARM cannot produce motherboards that have an actual standardized platform... sure it exists, but nobody produces one.

I disagree. x86 has a lot of gas left in the tank. Intel is the one that doesn't, Intel is floundering. AMD, however, is a company that's innovating and pushing x86 forward. AMD is an example of what happens when you put an engineer in charge of a technology company. Lisa Su was the woman that brought AMD back from the brink of death and now all of the innovation has come to light in the form of Ryzen. AMD and Ryzen is kicking Intel's ass and there's no sign of them slowing down.

Competition is always great news for consumers.

Well ladies and gentlemen, turns out Intel still has some Intelligence

Great video but miss also the big leap forward ARMv9 is doing… like Qualcomm probably says they can beat apple M1 because it’s an ARMv8 chip.

I don't care about who is winning this cpu game, but i want these company to sell their product in low cost instead of huge profit so other developing country can run,develop apps etc

One M1 chip creates a world wide chaos =)))

M1 is just legendary

@ 0:52 - "All this has happened before." Roll out those BSG quotes, Ars Technica. Bravo.

INTEL is reported to have signed with TSCM for their 3NM process expected in 2H 2022 (along with Apple). The 3NM process is supposedly 15% more powerful with a 30% greater efficiency. The question in my mind is whether INTEL is on a path to become a fabless manufacturer. Either the reported sales of ARM and RISC-V the picture becomes more complicated.

Incredible analysis

Of course, after all that's what an Apple Fanboy Channel like this wants to believe... It's true that the X86 Architecture is old and needs a "clean up", and that's why intel created the X86-S ISA.

Well, I had a "hunch" about 20 years ago when I first heard about RISC-Chips (I think back then there was a British Company "Acorn" or something similar, that caught my interest) in my early 20's, that RISC-Chips would at some point take over - back then I thought the architecture was just superior. But it just took around 20 years to see this come to reality - "better late than never" I'd recon. ;-) Anyway, I think we are in need of these much more power-efficient architectures even in the context of climate change and our Civilization's Energy Consumption with more and more devices doing that ("Smart Homes", Clouds - which are basically computers of other people, that we trust -, etc.). Well, we'll see where that leads us - but it does seem like a new "Age of Sportive Competition" has started with this change in architecture thanks to Apple's Leap there. Of course, we'll see, if it's still in time and if overall Human (especially also the social and emotional Level of ) Intelligence will be able to keep up and catch up with the technological progress. Because if we fail to develop/progress on a wholesome Level, we're very likely going to blow our Species' Existence into pieces - with the help of all this technology. Technology itself - like science - is neither "good" nor "bad" intrinsically. But Human Application of it makes it either the one or the other then (sometimes even "accidentally" - like when a toddler shoots itself or anyone around them with a gun, that they got their hands on. A gun itself can be used to hunt food, where necessary or defend oneself from wild animals or other gun-users, but nobody has to "shoot to kill" with it - even though that needs a knowledge of physiology and the skill to aim precisely NOT to hit any vital organs then, which I would recon few of the users in the US possess or even intend when they use them - but that's a different "big topic" and I only wanted to use it as a means - not the best one - to give an example of the "Nature" of Technology). So, it's always interesting to see, how we're going to develop with all these (new and now already established in most people's Lives) Technologies at our disposal - and (mis-)information battling for our attention and ability to combine it in ways, that make sense. Yet, I think, being anti-socially (over-)competitive in these times will break our necks, since things are getting so complex, that we need to connect and form synergetic, if not even symbiotic relationships with each other to become capable of making sense of all this complexity, that NO human mind on its own, will be capable of understanding anymore. And trust, courage vulnerability will be essential to this process. But they cannot be present, if abuse and toxic social environments are in place...creativity needs comfort and security in order to thrive. - The only exception to that is the "Emergency Creativity" as I'd call it, that is often very simple and can rarely account for possible long-term consequences/effects, but only focuses on getting an urgent problem quick-fixed for a short period of time, thereby accidentally creating new ones in the way it solves them... So, finding our "Muses" takes time and a healthy/supportive social and environmental atmosphere - since Smog and other fossil fuel products impair our brain functions - as does a lower level of oxygen in the air around us. This is no news, that I'm writing here though, I'm well aware of that. But, it seems in the context of people's "ambitions" they lose the sense of what is truly important for everyone as they sacrifice it for their own, egotistical short-term "solutions", that elevate them, but cost the whole Civilization...and since more and more people do this, the "small" costs amount up to more and more severe Sums for all of us, that affect our entire Planet. I never found any other than sportive/fun competition, that isn't about "Life and Death" and where "losing" wasn't connected to "losing worth in the eyes of others and myself", was never a concept, that I could adapt for myself. On that whole imaginary/delusional "Status"-Level, I have no ambition at all since it simply doesn't exist for me. I see human beings - and I encounter others on that exact level. If they're anti-social / sociopath a**holes, then I call them out as that after I critically checked and re-checked (also my own assessments) several times, unless it's blatantly obvious in the first place/encounter. So, I don't strive for "success" since I know it's kinda random and failing is anyway how we learn the most - so failing is the much more valuable lesson, i.m.h.o. Nobody needs to be "right" all the time - it's nice when it happens, since it allows us to get a little closer to "the Truth" of our Reality, Nature, Universe, Existence then. But every fail is also valuable to figure that out, since we can then document (so hopefully nobody else needs to repeat the process of discovering this "dead-end") it and continue down a different path or try something else. "Fail-Culture" is toxic almost everywhere around the Planet - and the few/rare exceptions, where it's not, are not really getting enough attention in that context as they should, i.m.h.o. So, I'm always breaking things down into the hyper-connected Context of my brain'/mind's all-connected View/Perception of the World. I haven't found any "place" where to apply this "Talent" yet though, but I have a few ideas - one of which you're just experiencing as you're reading this. ;-) I hope we're all going to develop the will or need to get the insight to the necessity of collaboration rather earlier than later, but I won't count on it. So, that's why sharing ideas on these Social Networks is something so valuable, I think. I filter out personal verbal attacks and threats, since they're mostly destructive or empty - and a cry for mental help since people project a prematurely created image of whomever they attack that way rooted in their own fears and insecurities. Why it's rather sad and disconcerting to me when anyone reacts out of such an unreflected/-aware impulse and missing the whole point of the Context someone was addressing. Hugs to those of you who need it - and even those who don't know they need them ^_^ Keep up the good work, handsomes and stay curious, but also apply scrutiny and (learn to) be aware of your own biases. We all have them, but being aware of the possibility of being biased already gives us an advantage to be more efficient at self-criticism. Cheerio

I am using Linux Desktop primarily for programming, while also have been testing macOS in VM, enjoying watching RU-vid videos about M1 MacBooks and I would love to get my hands on Macbook 14 :), Unix, Optimised OS, Boosted ARM chip, Great battery; Unrivaled Laptop for programming .

I’ve been hearing about RISC ever since I started putzing around with computers in the ‘80s. Smartphones notwithstanding, I’ve always wondered why it took so long for the technology to gain mainstream traction. 🤔

@1:18 - lower cost to consumers, not to the ones making the chip.

M1 is done on 5nm with massive L2 cache, and with integrated RAM thus much smaller latency. Obviously it's going to beat 14nm CPU that doesn't have integrated RAM on single thread performance. The smaller the node, the more transistors we use, the less x86 decoding process to micro-ops uses energy. ARM's power is in heterogeneous compute experience, so having multi tier CPU cores would allow to attack against Amdahl's law and against power/heat density. Though I would hope RISC-V would be the ISA that AMD & Intel use to compete against ARM.

as a gamer geek, i used to spend days if not weeks looking for the best-bang-for-the-buck components to upgrade my PC setup whenever i felt like the current one wasn't good enough for the latest games. for the first time in more than 20 years, i switched to apple and got a M1 MB Air. the fact of the matter is, there is no PC that can compete with apple current lineup at similar price point; and once you factor in the form factor and heat management for laptops in particular, it's just impossible to match IMHO. it's been a few months now since i got the MB Air, and i'm still shocked at how well it runs games and other applications considering it's a fanless configuration.

said like a true Apple fan oblivious of everything else..

This channel just keeps killing intel. Have to break to you that intel is here to stay.

Not sure what OS will be used for Intel RISC-V because there is no Windows for RISC-V. Likely RISC-V intel processors can be used only in data centers with Linux.

You can revisit this again with Gen 12th!

You're wrong man, x86 may die in mobile devices like laptops... And makes complete sense since ARM was specifically designed for that since it's begining. But x86 architecture will always be much more powerful in non mobile markets like workstations, servers, or even gaming PCs... So to wrap up... yes, x86 is dying in mobile devices, and will die in some non-mobile PCs too, but high end PCs will still use x86 for a long time

X86 will die but arm is not backwardly compatible with x86 So the transition from X86 to arm will take time as there are huge number of users of X86 rn

For the speaker test, I think you should change it to: Never Gonna Give You Up By: Rick Astley, and I promise, it is NOT to rickroll, the beat to the vocals have very important details and need a lot of paying attention to Thank You

Going RISC-V is fine, but what about the app ecosystem? is RISC-V even compatible with ARM? If not, how does Intel plan to persuade developers to jump onboard?

If Intel's Faith Was Sealed When They Became Anti-Consumer, Anti-Competitive And Anti-Technology Instead Of Focusing To Make Their Products Better.

This video will probably be recommended again when almost everything has already transitioned to ARM

So native windows 11 might for the mac like the return of boot camp ❓

Why are your videos 1080p now instead 4k?

God how I wish macs could game. I love macs, but they can’t even game as good as a 1660ti. Let’s see how next gen does