Why Is 4D Golf So Cursed 

i love that half of the frustration in this game is just from minigolf and not the fact that its 4d

Thanks for streaming Icely! It gets even more cursed toward the end, and there may be a certain chess related meme you'll enjoy... 😉

So I think I understand- we can only percieve 3 dimensions, and in 'regular' view we perceive 3 axis: up-down, left-right, forward-back. But in volume view we still only see on 3 axis, but we sacrifice being able to see up-down so that we can see ana-kata. So in volume view, up and down are a bit confusing, and in regular view, ana and kata are confusing

it’s 4d golf, duh did you expect it to be simple

you must understand that nothing is "ceasing to exist" you are in an environment everything is there

Icely doesn't isn't failing at 4d minigolf. He's just failing at minigolf.

Regular golf: Searching for your ball. 4D golf: Searching for the hole.

Y'know it switches slices when it hits a wall because it deflects in three dimensions when it does that.

I think your main issue comes from assuming that slopes will push you only in the dimensions you can see even if you can't see it, there's always a hidden dimension that slopes will push you in, which is why it seems like the slice you're in suddenly changes in reality, it's just the slope pushing you away it's like if you have a hole that's up a hill and to the right. If you aim straight at it, your ball will end up veering to the right. The same thing is happening in that fourth, hidden dimension as well, so you need to angle off-slice so that you get pushed into the right slice the compass tools on the top right might be helpful for that. Whichever axis is facing you is the hidden axis that you could be pushed along on

"I like how the hole leaves its slice" is like saying "that parked car came out of nowhere!"

"unstable slices" girl. bro. dude. my guy. bouncing is a thing.

“It makes me face the ball but doesnt teleport me to it” Thats what it does outside of volume mode too.

don't worry icely, it gets more cursed in later levels like a whole new realm of cursed that you'd never believe

Icely talking about "slices" as though they're not just directions probably doesn't help

This game shows 4D insanely well. Another one is 4D miner, which had a lot of consideration put into it as well. Tilting the view to get into "Volume mode" is an amazing ability and changes the perception completely, that's awesome!

4D Minigolf with 3 Dimensional Volume Mode Display

Here is what's going on: Picture a game of normal golf on a flat, straight course. The ball can move forward, backward, left, and right, it is essentially 2D. Now imagine the same course but with a hill: You can see the slope, width of the course, and distance to the hole, so you know to hit the ball in a certain direction at a certain power to hit the ball into the hole. Now imagine the same course, but you can only view it from the top or side or front at a time. From the top, you would see the ball slow down and roll backwards for no reason. From the side, you would get up the slope but you wouldn't even know where the hole is. From the front (looking from the ball toward the hole) you would be able to line the ball up with the hole but you couldn't judge the distance or slope very well. Now compare this to 4D golf: Each perspective (normal, volume, and whatever other perspectives) can be any one of these three basic views (top, front, or side) at any given time depending on the course and postion of the ball. You might get the distance and width of the course from one, slope and distance from another, and slope and width from a third. With 4D golf, there are way more views, but at least this gives a pretty good comparison.

never thought I'd see somebody turn the first stage of a Menger sponge into a golf course

Icely casually proving that he's a 5D being who can see 4D slices and appreciate them (because 4D Golf is totally a puzzle game that needs to be appreciated) and definitely not complain about their nature

That feeling when you’re subscribed to codeparade and videos titled “4d golf is live!” and “why is 4d golf is so cursed” are basically back to back on your subscriptions page….

This game seems like a future AGDQ highlight. The right runner could absolutely make it feel like stage magic.

"It was nicer when we had the Wii Sports bar" you can turn that bar on in the Settings

man am i glad i changed the putting option to metered after this ...and glad i read every crystal

Remember that the volume view is just the flat horizontal slice that your ball is in, so slopes are basically walls in that view

Given the crazy nonsense people made with the Golf It level editor, I'm scared of what maps people will come up with in this game

You can and want to enable the alternative swing mode, which has a power bar that you can reference.

Vortex: a mass of whirling fluid or air, especially a whirlpool or whirlwind. Volume: the amount of space occupied by a three-dimensional object as measured in cubic units. Which of these seems more relevant to the mode you bring up by pressing V in this game?

36:19 Just like it would in regular miniature golf, considering that this kind of slope gets rid of your upward momentum, while your sideways momentum would still persist.

I love the idea of this game, and so glad to see it played finally! And I also find it funny that half of icely's struggles were just with mini golf lol - not that I'd be better. So frustrating for me that he kept rushing past figuring out _why_ the ball ended up in the wrong "slice" and I just wanted to yell "you bounced off the *wall* ", or "the slope is *angled* to the side into one of the other dimensions", or "I don't know what the heck is going on but *I bet there's a reason for it* !" or something.

Once upon a time I wrote an n-dimensional non-euclidean raytracer. I learned some interesting things in the process - like, in the general case you don't rotate around an axis, you rotate in a plane. E.g., in the X-Y plane, or some plane skew to the primary ones. So in 4d, you can have an object rotating in two directions at once, unlike in 3d. I don't know how gyroscopes would behave in 4d. Similarly, where we have 3 rotation DoF in 3d, I think there'd be 6 in 4d, though you might be able to get away with fewer controls and more steps.

1. Just aim the shot in volume view, and adjust the speed of your shot based on the angle of the slope vertically so you don't fall off the course. 2. Keep in mind that when the ball moves vertically, it also enters a new 3D slice, so don't aim strait at the hole in normal view when going up a slope, rather, take it to volume view. 3. The "thickness" of a wall, shows you how tilted that wall is across the 4th dimension. A thin wall is normal, an extremely thick wall will bounce the ball back at you, an in-between thickness wall will send you into another slice.

Love how this guy is completely unfazed by the 4d mechanics and just breezes past them, but still struggles because his real problem is that he's just godawful at golf

i like how the game shows 4D space with 3D slices on 2D monitor but my 1D brain can't handle it

I like how the cubed level literally is a cube wireframe. The only thing changed about it is that the middle pparts of the wireframe are rased up. So you just need like 3 hits, one for each non-gravity direction.

Cant wait for 5d golf with multiverse time travel

"where's the hole?' - icely puzzles

Icely forgot to cut out a failed intro attempt out of this video xd

its fun watching icely slowly lose his patience the more he plays

it goes from "here's how to swing a club" to *move through the 4th dimension* really quick

You are playing quite well.

I found it pretty straightforward but I’m just bad at miniature golf

Now go for all hole in 1s. I believe in you!

You, my friend, have up until now shown me 2-3 different games i was actually interested in, and also got me into a game i was already eyeing up. Defo a earned sub, you deserve a subcount in the 100k's at least, imo. Good going and hope you get the recognition you seek, whatever level and type it is. Cheers.

the mechanic of how this works reminds me a lot of 4d miner

Here's the real brain bender: If you were a fourth dimensional being, you would see all views of all perspectives at the same time. The 4D aspect of the game is only through interaction, not perception. The ball and environment move and change in ways that are "unexpected" because the ball is being affected by all 4D while we only see 3D slices of what is happening to it.

One thing I suggest for the dev, is maybe try to split ghost view to be in red/blue channels. For "ana" and "kata" . respectfully things are in either direction redder/bluer.

Why does "Ana" and "Kata" remind me so much of warioware

Nice! Been looking forward to this. Now if only I knew what's up with Miegakure.

Ah yes, I love playing golf that is completely incomprehnsible to mortal minds

Not to brag, but I have birdie or better in every hole of the first 3 worlds, including challenge. Took some practice. The settings for metered strokes and for a help line in volume view really help.

Now I can watch people play golf and feel less bad about how I play, thank you icely golfing advanced

Golf has 4D Baba has Headache Chess battle is advanced

icely i am looking for a very *advanced* *battle* game with *chess* do you have recommendations

This is a certified fire in the hole moment ⛳

Speedruns of this are gonna be insane.

Someone should make 5D golf where you jump between timelines to find where the hole is

When you're in line of sight with the hole, I think that the best move would be to go into volume mode, so there should be no way to shoot so hard that the ball falls out of the 3d hole

I always loved minigolfs, virtuals as real ones. This is the step beyond! Cool to see such a long gameplay/walkthrough of this!

Okay, that is the LAST thing I expected from you.

You struggling with 4d slopes is entertaining.

Can't wait for somebody speedrunning it

This is a really cool concept.

I think I'm getting it. You can only see three axis at a time. In regular view, you can see x y z, but in volume view you trade the y axis for the w axis. It really is important to actually visualize it as viewing slices of the axis you cant see.

I hate it when i hit my ball so hard i launch it into the 4th dimension

Icely: "I can do this, I can conquer 4D!" normal golf slope: "it will take you one hundred years of training before you can defeat me"

Got and played it today I understand 4D well enough, but the thing is I still suck at golf... at least I found the option to use metered swings

I wonder if making it VR compatible would make it easier to understand

I wonder what the volume equivalent of shooting the ball of the map is

this is so hilarious to watch i love it

Oh this is horrifying. 10/10.

Thank you Code Parade, very cool.

Now we just need 5D golf with multiverse time travel

I like the vertigo view.

this game just released and you've already made a video on this?

Don't worry, one of the forest challenge levels (or back 9) gave me a 30 over par. I hated Ice hole 6,I think that also took me way too many hits.

Cant wait for 5d golf

The best speedruns will be the ones where they manage to get out of bounds to take shortcuts.

Bro recreated the glass desert from slime rancher

yo another fabled double upload

real recognizes real

Haven't watched the whole video yet so sorry if you worked this out already, but volume view is the most powerful tool imo. If you aim at the hole in volume view you'll be aiming at it in the 3d slice view. edit: I commented way too soon cos I can see you're already working it out xD

It looks like you have little difficulties in 4D-space orientation 🙃

Holy golf

i liked the part where we got a bonus intro

ayo what was that you said at the end

1:38 Did you know that if you combine Kat and Ana you get Anakat?

Golfing to breach hyperspace whooooo

Golf battle advanced

What, already?? You’re fast.

At least it is euclidian 4-dimensional space, imagine if it were hyperbolic ontop of this

Golfin' is Trippin'! The game!

Icely! What is it with your newfound interest in games with balls undergoing unpredictable movement?

Golf Fighting Enhanced

gameplay complaints

cool ball action

40:16 Or you could have adjusted your orientation alongside the w-axis before continuing to try the same thing.

I see someone else had their eye on this game too!

no way its released!

cursed pooting in outer space!!!! (real)

I hope this game blows up