Why Is Every MMO Dying EXCEPT This One? 

What is the music used for the outro? I've heard it somewhere before but I can't think of it

oh also, it's interesting how the WOW token has been a sour feature in the game but then if you look at OSRS they also have a token system. I wonder how people on there see that. as a F2P OSRS player myself I see it more as a benefit to me since I can always grind out gold to acquire that token. but that's a lot of time invested to get millions of gold for it.

Despite everything you stated FFXI is the True SquareEnix jRPG while FFXIV is just another water downed Generic WoW Clone. Only Final Fantasy XI plays like a Final Fantasy game that was converted into an MMO version.

Final Fantasy XI rather than XIV is the Original Cast of Races. The Original design to Strategic Combat. The Original from the GODS of RPG gaming themselves that is NOT tainted by the success of WoW nor does XI chase after WoW players trying to convert Blizzard’s Masses into their own Profits. Final Fantasy XI is Greater than All other MMO.

FFXIV is just WoW w/ Chocobos & Moogles. Half my uploads fully Display what Final Fantasy MMO gaming actually is. FFXIV is NOT even a SquareEnix Invention but rather just Blizzard’s #1 Fan admiring its Idol via Copying everything they did & do.

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I couldn't disagree with you more if I tried to. The main reason why MMOs died is simply because there are too many out there. Each new MMO has attempted to become "bigger" and have more "depth", and subsequently each has become a bigger and deeper game to have to figure out. This in turn causes wikis and databases to actually become necessary in order to play effectively. As a result of this dynamic, players that just want a simple game that is fairly easy to memorize will play for a little while and then decide that their time is better spent elsewhere because the sheer size and scope of these MMOs are too large to devote the time to. This is a design flaw in the way MMOs are developed. Bigger isn't always better... This is one of the main reasons that some of the older games such as WoW have survived and even seen increases in subscribers(presumed based on sales numbers because blizzard doesn't release subs numbers) and revenue. Their games are older now, and in turn are less complicated. The simpleness of these games is an attractive feature in the gaming world and allows more casual players to come in and enjoy a game that otherwise would require weeks and weeks(if not months) to master and play.

@@thaforseti31 I never thought about....

Tbh this is the exact reason why i love MMOs. I love minmaxing and grinding towards getting those minor stat advantages. Perfecting your armor sets, passives, skill rotation, etc. is the funnest part of the game for me because doing those things gives you so much purpose and motivation to play and work towards what you want

That’s literally just not true… WOW was giant even when wikis and tip sites were a thing lol the only reason the genre is declining is because every studio making an mmo either rips off another that’s already established, makes it worse at that, and or monetizes it in a way that gives annoying advantages to those who pay more, we just need better and more creative devs

The only fomo thats ever in the game is events and USUALLY unless its a collab with another game or franchise cosmetic event rewards gets added to the cash shop so people who did miss can still have it for relatively cheap. Tho the monster hunter collab is one that did stay in the game and will always been in the game I believe.

If everybody listened to Yoshi-P and took a break from XIV to play other games, SE would lose a lot of money and he'd instantly regret saying that. The only reason he's able to say that is because he knows nobody would listen to him. If I told you to stop playing a game you enjoy, would you stop? Of course not. If you were wanting take a break, you would regardless of what anyone else says. Yoshi-P telling his players to take a break from his game is just a PR statement. It makes him more likeable with literally no risks

well fomo and pressure to play is not associated with what a dev says, it's about the game itself and its mechanics and systems. but yea

​@@skcansMachine Not everyone grinds games or has the time like back in the day. People do take breaks I stopped after Storm Blood expansion and came back towards the start of next xpac. And many people that I know only come back when there are major patches X.X so I don't know what you are talking about. And even now I barley touch the game since 6.1 but I haven't canceled my sub why? I've already got more then the 12 dollars a months worth and I don't mind paying to not play atm. Cause when I'm back in a 3 months or a year I know there will be content. And no they would not lose a lot of money think about it. If I pay for 1 month then stop they still have my money for 1 month. So whether I play one day or every day they get the same amount from that sub. This applies to the 6 month and 1 year subs as well. It not like I can say I paid for 6 months but from tomorrow I would like my remaining 47 days returned since I won't be playing anymore. Where are they gonna be bleeding money from is what I want to know.

@@Sorakasharri Nothing you said is related to what I said

I'm jealous. I had great friends but none of them were gamers from my group. That's why gaming feels a bit lonely for me since I never play with irl friends anymore.

I agree, when I started playing WoW in 2005 (when I was only 18 years-old and in my senior year of High School) and loved the game. Still do despite being in my mid/late 30's and being married with a wife, two kids, and a mortgage. I just logged on a WoW private server (Turtle WoW) yesterday on my Dwarf Warrior and it's just as fun as I remember and I haven't lost a step in regards to my skill in the game. Everything just feels familiar I guess, like going to visit your parents at the family home. It's been a while but you still remember your mom cooking a family dinner during an NFL game where your dad is drinking light beers and yelling at the TV and your siblings are arguing over inane stuff. It just feels like home I guess, it's not 100% perfect in reality but it's what your used to.

@@N3mdraz I don't have any friends who play WoW either but it's still fun to play for me.

@@AmariKhumalo y thats nice :) I played wow classic could play with my old guild, so i understand feels like home. Started today FF14 journey for the first time, havent played any mmorpg except wow. Enjoy your gaming and family :)

Wow would be great if it weren't for the toxic influx of angsty virgins that get angry at the most irrelevant of things

Ah yes, HIldibrand quests.

You're looking for Guild Wars 2, mah man.

@@LuisFelipe-nm6vj I've lost myself in there for the past three days :)

Even worse, a treadmill underpinned by a cash shop and gambling mechanics. As bad as a Skinner Box is, it's worse when the pigeon is being sneakily plucked of feathers at the same time.

i lost myself in guild wars 2 and played over 100 hours in the last weeks

yep - i still go back and play Aiden Chronicles 20 years later cause it captures the feel you want in a video game because of that exact reason.

Same 🤣

Is that game really good? It look really old

@@otopharaoh try it if you wanna give up all your free time lol

@@otopharaoh the best game ever in my opinion.

@@SaimpsOSRS shut it

great story! I played Aion when it launched. My friends and I got together and had a LAN party, played it all night. good times, great memories. I hope we see an MMO find a way to bring that feeling back! thanks for sharing!

I MISS AION. only mmo that used to take up all my time

Also played most of the MMo's back then and I'd say. Aion was the one that hooked me with its pvp and creative dungeons.

AION was my favorite back in the days

but they didn't delivered a good gamplay tho

Tried the game once. Nope.

You guys may not like it, but clearly 10s of millions of people do (myself included and many people in these comments). Every game won’t appeal to everyone which is totally fine, but it’s pretty clear that FFXIV appeals to more people than any other MMO as it has the most active (and I believe total) player base of any MMO right now…

Look up someone fighting the final raid boss in OSRS new raid :)

@@sureokk change nothing to me, tab-target mmo are not my cup of tea + the long GCD..ew

dude for real, business unit 3 with ff14 and soon ff16, and whoever is making ff7R are keeping the entire company afloat

I have no doubt it’s a great game but the graphics looked so old I couldn’t give it a shot personally.

@@Griffo2710 good thing they are updating the graphics with the next expansion :)

@@AGMugen for real? I hope they keep things fairly optimized.

@@Griffo2710 It was really shabby for me too, but thanks to Gshade (or really any external ability to pump the saturation), the game looks a lot better. It still looks old, but it looks more stylized than outdated. Of course, if you want unreal5, unfortunately, I don’t think we’ll get there. After the 7.0 patch though, they’re going to completely redo the lighting, which I think will do a lot to update the look of the game without actually remaking everything.

Destiny 2 season pass is "pay to win" girl what are you smoking. None of the rewards on the battle pass track are really worth anything, it's just starter gear. You're paying for the seasonal content and a couple cosmetics.

@@christianvalente3376 you’re literally ignoring everything else i’m saying but (:

My big gripe with Destiny 2, as someone who loved it (started when Forsaken was current) is the vaulting of expansions. I paid for this expansion and I'm just... not allowed to play it anymore if I decide to make an alt (or just want to replay the story). It's pretty much a NECESSITY nowadays for new players to watch lore videos because they literally cannot access that lore in game.

Destiny has always- since the first one- been a shallow empty ass game with stripped content being sold as dlc.

I can't play F2P games anymore. The only MMO I play is FFXIV because, just like he said, I pay a fair price for a complete game. F2P games pile so many inconveniences on you and most people can only pay to bypass the ones that irritate them the most since most F2P MMOs would literally cost thousands of dollars to play a month if you wanted everything as maximally efficient as possible. So you pay some to negate some of the roadblocks the devs put in your way on purpose and you suck it up and deal with the rest. That isn't fun. And it isn't the way to keep players around long-term

agreed

agreed

Kemp!!!!

Same thought lol

I was waiting for it in this video lol

As far as I'm concerned, they went they way of warcraft. Game has been on a steady decline since the end of Stormblood. Story is still amazing, but the actually gameplay has been getting worse and worse since Shadowbringers.

@@prod7906 WHat parts of the gameplay do you think has declined?

@@GhostRavenFIN I just said gameplay. Crafting and Gathering has never been easier, none of the classes are remotely difficult anymore. Dungeons are so simple a 3 year old can navigate there way through it. Their is a massive shortage on healers because they don't even acknowledge whats wrong with the class, not understanding that healing is just fucking boring and unrewarding and their balancing for jobs on top of all of this is the worst it's ever been. Like Machinist for example, you'd think that it's a selfish DPS, it'd do more damage then support dps that provide raid buffs right? Wrong, for the last 2 patches, Machinist has been functionally useless because somehow, Bard and Dancer just do more. It's just big things and little things that has lead me to just detest this game and they seem to not be addressing it at all, or worse, addressing it by missing the point.

Idk if they play their own game tbh... in a recent live letter yoship said in response to the healer shortage in savage to just switch to healer....... It takes months to gear your main job if you're lucky and crafted gear won't get you through p7 or p8 savage. They would know this if they played their own high end content. You can't just switch without halting your prog for a month or 2 to gear a healer just enough to even be allowed to enter p8s.

@@prod7906 Sounds like you're burned out and need to step away from the game

Osrs is kept alive because it's completion time is unbelievably long. Can't say much about these other games, but I doubt any of them takes 3000 hours just to reach max level. I'm sure ffxiv is pretty long if you decide to max every job, though. On top of that, "completing" the game just isn't feasible, besides a select few. To this day, it hasn't been completed 11 years after release. With new content coming out fairly regularly, it makes it even harder. It's just an addicting game that has players that just refuse to quit grinding.

@@imsotallytober5what do you mean it hasn’t been completed?

@@divinrth5187 the collection log has not been completed.

@@imsotallytober5 ah yes forgot about that, basically completed though considering there are some people only a few dozen items away

@@divinrth5187 a few dozen items that are 1/313,168 drop rate from a master clue. The highest amount of completed masters is 7700. Master have a 5 to 7 rolls each. If you garentee 7 rolls for all of those 7700, that's only 53,900 chances to get all of those 1/313,000 drop rate items. There are 23 of those items. With that knowledge, you see how it's logically impossible for a single person to complete the collection log.

I quit SWTOR back after the start of the Shadow of Revan expansion because it just felt empty. I started playing FFXIV and played that for 6 years before I quit

FFXIV is certainly a great MMO. It doesn't need to prove itself to anyone when the community shows how much they love it. I personally have not been an "active player" in the game for a while now because I already did all the content I wanted and lost my small community, but I can't say I'll ever quit FFXIV, only that I'm walking away from it for the time being and will return later.

@@nogitsune4452 And when you're ready to come back... Tataru will welcome you home.

@@ChainedFei With a glock aimed at your face as she asks "Where have you beeeen Warrior of Light"

Quit SWTOR as well, waiting 2-3 years for a new raid just pales in comparison to FFXIV raid content. 3 raids per expansions and 2 ultimates and we’re not even counting the trials

Only reason I haven't gone back was due to the chip shortage and the struggle to log on. I know thats probably fixed by now, but got to get some real life stuff worked out first.

I used to DREAM of the perfect MMO. Found FFXIV half a year ago, and it is now my definitive answer for "What's your favourite video game?"

FF14 doesn't have a great community IMO, played about 4 years, instead of being upfront toxic they are the kind of community that talks behind your back, can exile you from your friend group with lies, it's not a great community whatsoever, everything else you said is true though.

Same here but I just couldnt keep up with it for some reason, I quit new world before the end of last year and I'm back playing it gain. We shall see how that goes.

what happen after the content run dry?

and there's nothing wrong with that. Those mounts do nothing to help you in game.

This is why they’re dying. It’s just the truth. Cash shops ruin mmos

@@ch3fskitchen324pay to win ruins mmos, cosmetics do not

fr not even playing anymore and I watch vids daily

it's the only large scale game to also be completely player based driven. Their polling is paralleled to no other game.

Yeah I got sick of the monetization and how it seems a number of games are run by devs that openly hate their player base. Ended up on OSRS which I hadn't played in a decade and never looked back.

What is the goal of OSRS? Is it a cut throat full loot pvp mmo? Is combat fun? is there lots of class variation? (meaning more then one meta option per class)?

@@PaiOeShi Grinding for some reason is rewarding. Nothing comes easy. Rare drops trigger a certain dopamine center in your brain that I can only imagine is similar to gambling addicts.

​​@Kennja Maju Though luck. I am sorry for you and the other two who hate choices.

@Kennja Maju Do not use words in a futile manner, this "dead game" is among the MMOs with the most active player counts.

It is a bit of a double edged sword, though. I like being able to swap jobs, but I also miss having ults, with their unique looks, gender, and so on. And sure, I could still make an alt, but players will tend to follow the path of least resistance, and that is making use of the jobs. But on the flip side, having to play through the long story each time would get annoying as well. Pretty common thing for MMOs, though. The strength of a game is often one of its weak points as well.

This is what I came down here to say. That was one of the biggest draws for me. Being able to quickly and easily swap jobs with out needing an entirely new character. I enjoy swapping frequently and it helps the game avoid becoming stale. Hell I'm at over 1800 hours and currently grinding to max out all the classes.... all 19 combat classes, 8 crafter classes, and 3 gatherer classes. It's fun, And it gives incentives to grind different content which helps it avoid becoming stale.

LOL i have all 90 crafters and Gatherers but only 4 Combat Sage Bard Dancer and Red Mage lol Currently working Samurai @@Herbile7

Guildwars was so much fun, I never quite understood the story line, or anything that was going on but the exploration and feeling of adventure was extremely fun. Only MMOs I play now are OSRS and Eve.

its definetly going in right direction but there are so many small inconvinence that are mostly just locked in cash shop. which is to be expected in a way since it doesnot have subscription model.

@@slowpoison7800 what is locked behind the cash shop?

@@echo3996 equipment template, build templates, bag slots, infinite gathering tools, and these feel bad as they are character bound. Gw2 is my favourite game but i don't like this aspect of game eventhough u can convert gold->gems to buy them.

@@slowpoison7800 All those you can get by buying gems with gold. You can exchange gold you make in the game for gems, and now you can buy everything except for gathering tools on the new daily they made with the last expansion.

@@slowpoison7800ah yes, give everything for free, surely the game would be up today if that was the case

It's less that they forgot this and more that they (the executives, product owners, etc) learned that having half the player base and the option to reaaaally harvest thos whales (predatory monetization) is actually a higher net income than paying more during development and making a better game.

@@peterschabig9566 Unfortunately, I have to agree. Thanks, mobile games and MTX! Its not so much that they forgot as the fact that, particularly with WoW, for instance, they were bought by a larger company that does what ALL big companies do - they decided to maximize profit in the short term, because they don't care about the long term except peripherally. Activision buying Blizzard was the end of their greatness, for no other reason than how corporate execs think about making money. Once they realized they could sell gold and mounts and cosmetics to the 10% of customers that spends money on those things, and get anywhere from a few hundred dollars to a few thousand dollars a year out of them, the games were doomed! Its not terribly complicated, really. The stuff they'd need to do to truly evolve their games into next-gen MMOs is EXPENSIVE! There's no guarantee it would be successful, either! But people will always buy those sweet, sweet mounts and cosmetics... plus gold, too! Why take the risk? That isn't what big companies do.

@@SouthernGuy5423 theres also one thing for FFXIV in general, the creators of that game have a passion to keep it good, everyone loves their job there! its not a cess pool like blizzard... everyone that loves final fantasy loves it because the devs of the game love it too. sure they make alot of money from it, but they also care about the game more than the money.

@@katolight8006 Do you think that no one that works at Blizz loves WoW? of course they do. I'd say that most people that work there do! But at Blizz, the people in charge don't care. Whereas FF14, Naoki Yoshida is the man in charge, and he's pretty close to single handedly responsible for its success with how he turned it around after its awful launch. The execs for FF14 got their shit kicked in with the idiocy they forced on the game at launch, and no Yoshida has almost total control. HE actually cares and has final say on all major decisions with FF14. WIth WoW, you have a bunch of Activision execs who only care about next quarter's bottom line... and maybe the one after that. they're more than willing to damage the game in the long term for short term benefits and Yoshi P isn't.

I've played since ARR as well, I'm not sure what you're talking about regarding single-player focus though? The model we have today is essentially the same as it was then. Single player world, 4 player dungeons, 8 man raids. Today there's the option to do dungeons solo, but it's slow.

@@entelin I think Lily means stuff like Trusts in old content, including potentially eventually all Trials. Oh, and also overhauling old trials that were... not that fun and a pain in the ass to get a party for. (looking at you, Cape Westwind, memes notwithstanding, and Steps of Faith) This future-proofs the game.

@@Zakjuh yeah, though they have always made changes to soften old content. By and large the overall model of the game isn't really any different from then. I don't really see any more "single player focus". Not saying there isn't one, but there always has been.

The biggest gripe I have with XIV is how you are basically forced into soloing much of the leveling process. It was such an inconvenience having to constantly reform group when an MSQ popped up that you couldn't enter with a party that my friend that started playing with me quit around level 30. I kept playing and still enjoy the game to this day, but they lost his interest quickly because of the quite frankly terrible leveling system for those wanting to level together.

FFXIV is slowly becoming Anime Second Life. Appealing to casuals is a good economic model because they are the ones who spend the most in cosmetics and buying clears and gold for housing etc, but it removes the depth of the game. The story is also very predictable now. Remember when in the first 2 expansions, people could actually die and stay dead? Well, I guess not any more because all the twitter shippers will cancel their sub if this happens. Also, seriously, class balance is non-existent. Why is allowed that some classes can do 2-3K more damage than other ones? What's the reason to play classes like red mage, reaper, paladin etc this patch when you can play dark knight and do more damage in your opener than the entire paladin's rotation? Party finder is a shit show and the loot system is extremely toxic to people playing without a static. I got 2 weeks in a row without an item I can use for my character (rolled low and not bis items), did up to p7s. I was Red Mage and had to change to Samurai because you can imagine the times we wiped on 0.1%. It's so ridiculous that a 50% samurai does the same damage as a 90%+ red mage.

i learned long ago when game makers not hearing out there customer base everything starts to drop game makers got to much hubris thinking they know whats best for there customer base and then they wonder why there game fails...

This is something that is consistent with osrs as well. OSRS prides itself on its community polls, the devs are extremely transparent with the community, and always seeks player input on rewards and stats and overall content. They regularly revisit old content and keep it relevant, they try their best to make sure the world remains relevant and without dead content. I think trust between the devs and the players is the key to making a successful and thriving mmo.

@@rh0dr1 i think the best kind of poll there is and that is the forums it gives the customer base a feeling that there voice is being heard it makes they feel they got a seat at the table it makes them feel that there money is representing them and it gives them confidence that they have a direct line to the devs

I honestly feel like this is by far the biggest reason for their success, over all of the points mentioned in the video. Customer feedback is hugely important in any business, and adapting your product to that feedback is a surefire way to company growth in the long run. One of the major issues in modern economies, though, is that people are looking for quick payouts, even if it hurts the product - or worse, the brand - in the long run.

@@ShtevieBrabo sir your more right then you know i don't know how any video game company out there can exist or survive with out direct contact and with out being very personal with the customer base and with out the game devs caring

Or maybe they just need some new keycaps xD

While there still to many games doing lootboxes, they are on their way out. Rising regulations spooked publishers. Even Overwatch dropped them for 2, instead doing a season pass. Exploitation will not stop with lootboxes, but at least the push back worked in this case.

@@cordia96 It may also be due to the fact that lootboxes haven't been all that profitable with a few exceptions (FIFA).

Lootboxes have also been classed as gambling and thus illegal or behind a government permit in some places. I have a feeling the amount of those places is only going to grow.

what for?? He is wrong tho in my opinion micro transactions is like 5% 10% maybe 20% of the players founding the rest... While FF14 is 100% of the players founding the game that's why they have no problem make you grind for costums etc etc (you need to have something to do). At the end of the day is more predatory then any cash shop you can put in game... Will always make you pay while in others games you pay if you want "the rush" or not pay at all, in the end you have a choice. In FF14 the choice is not to play the game. For me anyway, and i m a big FF fan i play 7 to 15(-14), and i can tell for sure i will never play FF14 i prefer play 15 any day of the week.. And i know is not mmo uuehhh uueehh don t care still love FF games

Devs don't often make the calls with it comes to monetization sadly. That is left to the marketing department and top management.

@@TheRealNgsGamer You maybe want to put the cheap beer down next time before commenting there, sport?

@@Fighter600 damm youtube security here, are you assuming i drink beer or the beer is cheap?? anyway i miss your point tho low IQ here ;D

@@Fighter600 i think he is right though... The appeal for FF14 is 2 things bad wow dev decisions on content and gating systems for the last year's and the unique story...

I agree! I have been playing for 4 years and in my first playthrough I "rushed" to catch up to current content. I skipped all side quests that did not unlock something and while I watched the cutscenes I did not really pay attention because I was too excited for the next Dungeon. I made an alt this week and decided I would play through the story and do ALL the quests as I came up to them. It's almost like a whole new game. I love that this game gives you an option on how you want to play (except if you want endgame content you DO have to play the entire story) and you don't miss out on anything.

@@datboi04 I don't disagree they've made a lot of blunders but I think in spite of that they still have an excellent product that's hovered in or around the top 5 for a decade, although not really part of the big three, no. I also think that genuinely now is possibly the best time for the game ever. Well, not so much RIGHT NOW as where it's headed. Because like you said they're having to waste a lot of time restoring old content in the here and now. But they confirmed a fourth expansion less than a month after the third, that's by far the fastest they've ever done. And whatever those secret projects they had were, they've fallen through which hurt the studio yes, but it also finally got it through their thick skulls that they already have an epic game, but they aren't committing enough to it. Announcing xpac 4 so fast as well as other investments such as returning season 1 and steam and directx11 all scream long term investment. Only now, ten years in, are they making the big investments into the future they should've done years back. It sucks that they took so long and they may not be able to reverse all the damage they've done, you are right. But still, the game is pretty great and it's finally after all this time on the truly great path it should've always been. Also Cantha was awesome and easily the best expansion, it sucks Kaineng is so light on NPCs (a performance thing? idk why it's so empty) but I wouldn't call it a dead expansion or significantly lacking compared to the first two, I happen to like it best.

@@datboi04 just came back to GW2 after 10 years. It is great. FF14's gameplay is incredibly boring.

ive been a big fan of gw2 for around a year now its chill vibes no power creep most the progression is skill based i vibe with it

I recently started playing GW2 and it's been fun so far. I tried getting into FF14 but getting to level 60 is an absolute slog, I hated the main quest and tapped out around lv 29. Also the weird toddlers creeped me out.

I love GW2 but only play WvW mode. Just wish they’d actually put in some effort on that front…

I just wish I could get TO that point in FFXIV. Over a few years I've mostly off and a little on with FFXIV but the early game is such a tremendous slog every time that I can't progress to a point to find any of the "interesting bits" people tell me about. If the game isn't interesting in the first few hours, it's doing something extremely wrong... or it's not my kinda game in any way.

I just cannot find anything about playing and leveling in FFXIV enjoyable in the slightest. It's so incredibly slow to play. Supposedly it'll get faster at higher levels, I guess but I can't bring myself to even get there. If the game isn't fun in the first couple hours, why continue? I am not a fan of a game trying to "tell me" a story. It feels way too try-hard. Just let the lore expand the universe. Probably just a difference in Eastern and Western RPG philosophy there. I dunno. I can find no redeeming quality of "playing" FFXIV. Only fun I have is messing around with others in towns.@@civer678

Or looking like a stripper in downtown lolol

Also, this may be just my experience, but it doesn’t seem like the cash shop is advertised a lot. There’s a clear barrier between it and the game. The closest it gets is the “try before you buy” system that was added to the inn very recently. I do think some of the items are over priced, but because I can try them on I don’t usually feel buyers remorse.

Oh, so it's the opposite of retail WoW. Gotcha.

Yeah looking like cloud with fenrir is so goofy.

Yeah I've been playing for several years and I've only ever bought a couple of cosmetic items in that time, I think mainly the angel outfit for the boots, and a couple becuase they came with hairstyles I wanted that you could only unlock that way. Although now I use the Pyros hairstyle earnable in game almost always.

is that a story based and single player game, or a full multyplayer game to play with friends?

I'm still on my break. Now that I'm back into gaming, I'm just waiting for the graphics update before jumping back in. Hopefully around 6 months after Daiblo 4 release (2024)

@@dsan17 7.0 is when the graphics update comes out. maybe not even right at 7.0, we still have another year or so before that happens.

@@katolight8006 I hope they drop a really big story if it's that long in the future. That way I'll have weeks of gameplay just playing the story.

@@thecubeheadguy6747 You don't need to have any friends to play FF14, but you do need to match up with random people to do dungeons or trials occasionally. Although all basic dungeons can be done with NPC group up to level 90 now there are also some that you can't. Besides the experience in them is better with players and they haven't tuned the difficulty to as hard as it is in WoW perhaps. Because there are people who play on PS5 or game controllers too and they might need that handicap. They are on same servers as PC players.

Because those aren’t necessary not to mention the devs practically tell you not to use it. What are you goin on about?

Also I give up playing tab target games, New World may have one billion problems but AT LEAST the combat is good.

@@Ordep_Aviaras i mean its about preference but if u rly think nw is better thanks god ur not on ff anymore bcs thats biggest bullshit ive ever heard

Yeah, the games biggest strength also is a big weakness. The scripted fights are fun and well done, but once you've done a few it gets a bit boring. But I think 14 is pretty fun for 12 to 18 months, and the experience of the expansions can get you 3 good months per expansion...so it's a solid game. But yeah I feel like you, just too much to remember on savage or in raids on highest difficulty...just not fun for me.

I love OSRS, but i am confused because you can literally buy bonds and sell them for in game gold. This game has the most raw and pure form of micro transaction in the form of basically buying in game gold from the DEVS. SO I am confused how everyone thinks runescape does not have these?

@kristijannikolic307 You are paying for someone else's membership and getting rewarded for it. This doesn't make ingame money come out of nowhere. It's the only form of microtransaction that is tolerated because it allows other players to play the game for free by buying bonds with in-game money.

@@ST3V3fic Okay sure, But your missing my point. If I wanted to buy a 1 billion OSRS gold item, I could login right now make a fresh account and just buy 2 grand worth of bonds and sell them instantly and boom I have 1 billion OSRS coins.. so what are you trying to say?

@kristijannikolic307 That's not a bad thing. You just helped hundreds of players in the process. Why is that a bad microtransaction?

@@ST3V3fic Right but the definition of pay to win microtransactions is something that gives you the ability to skip many hours of game play by using real life currency and clearly you don't understand that.

I completely disagree with your statement and have been in the gaming industry for a long time. Ever run a WoW 25-man raid in a dedicated static cohesive group? esp pre MOP expansion? or the new Mythic ++ which is currently a large part of E-sports with big pay outs? It took our Guild, which was US Ranked top 50+ 9 weeks to take down the last boss in WoLK Expansion in WoW. Just one boss. I have played WoW, AION and FF14 at true End game in progressive raid guilds. 90% of FF14 players are VERY Casual. WoW's end game is not casual friendly and cannot be pugged; FF14 can. FF14 took off a couple years after when WoW made major changes to the game making content much easier esp Raids (which can be done in mere days instead of many months) along with homogenizing classes etc. Blizzard made other mistakes along the way. If you correspond FF14's big growth spurt to WoW's downhill; you will see that many FF14 players went from WoW to FF14 but they were primarily casual players. Many of my gamer friends game at fairly high levels. They tried FF14 just last year and did not enjoy it. I played at launch for 1 year and did not enjoy dungeons or raids. They felt very Un-Epic in comparison to WoW or even AION and again could be easily pugged and few players ever used a VOIP; some down right refused. Again Raids or harder content in FF14 do Not have to be a static groups. In WoW at end game Good luck Not having a dedicated, static and cohesive group & a VOIP system.

@@MarieElenaCambria1- So you didn’t get to FFXIV endgame content and you’re comparing it to endgame content of WoW? You need a static for most endgame content in FFXIV as well lmao - like savage raids and ultimates. Also, most content after the base game is extremely epic and cinematic. Watch the patch trailer that dropped last night if you’re doubtful.

@@zacharietelles7626 I was in a top FFXIV raiding guild from the launch of the game for a good year to 18mos. As a matter of fact a significant group of my WoW raiding guild joined us and began creating a static raiding team. End Game content in WoW got stupid easy from MOP what..2012ish approximately. Now - What used to take a dedicated cohesive team in VOIP 5X per week, 5 hours per go: 3 to 4 months to complete now takes mere days. Still in Mythic WoW raids esp server first or to 3rd place guilds, to accomplish encounters one cannot pug nor complete w/o Discord or Mumble etc. It was like pulling teeth to get FF players in my Mumble server. However: Peeps Pugged FF raids right at launch. (Timing dungeons is a stupid idea and only works against players learning their class and boss rotations well. "Lets Zerg" esp since So many FF players have never played a dynamic tab target type game with Tanks and Heals for example and mages thought they were the tank or an Assassin type class who has never once tanked. ) All this made raiding (when we were still building our team) a cluster frack. We *all* left FF including friends from WoW we met along the way who were then playing FF. You can't compare WoLK ICC or BC Sunwell even a smidgen to FF raids (the epic-ness or difficult esp working as a team because one mistake from one player is a wipe), or even the harder bosses the last few expansions in "easier content" even on normal mode, which a child could be carried through. Why not google the LK fight or the bosses in Sunwell that split guilds? Then there is the gruesome but very fun raid boss, Yogg-Saron, in WOLK"s Ulduar, and Archimonde in Hellfire Citadel. If you google world first kills on these bosses they are very impressive to watch. Perhaps you did not read my full comment(s)? Shalom

@@MarieElenaCambria1 I’m with the other guy. You say you’ve only played at LAUNCH. Everyone knows LAUNCH was absolutely terrible and it wasn’t until A Realm Reborn that truly brought the game back. It wasn’t perfect but it revived the game. Yes 90% of us are mainly casual but we do tend to dabble a few times into the endgame raids and such. Now here’s the thing. You CANNOT compare LAUNCH XIV raids to WoW. You have to compare at least up to Heavensward and up. Hell look at the most recent raids and tell me they’re still not epic or players don’t understand the holy Trinity of three roles. Again you’re comparing your LAUNCH experience and not the current state of FFXIV savage and ultimate raiding. I’m a filthy casual but I go into raids because there’s stuff I want and I sure as hell will take as long as I need to learn what I need. I will say though finding groups to do it is still pretty much hard to find at times. Groups claiming to teach new raiders for some odd reason lie or they only want people who have done the raid before. Sure why not join a raiding guild, I have no experience in guilds in FFXIV. I mainly played with my four group and joined others. I only have experience in a regular guild and they sometimes host raids as well. My points being. XIV raids are way better than you think at the ACTUAL ENDGAME

"oh so that indicator was an entire _building,_ I see I see"

was there before it launched (was also there before ARR launched, i can proudly say i suggested the system that became the quick synthesis system in ARR) personally i liked 1.0, i didn't find it too hard to figure out what materials to use, need to make a plank shield, you are gonna need nails, leather strap, and planks, and you will likely need wind aetherite. and of course the website had crafting recipes and the levequests would give you recipes as well as materials. i REALLY liked the crafting system in 1.0...not so much the minigame, but the tech tree, the fact that there is more than one way to make something, the fact the recipes all made sense. i liked the gathering too, the way that you could tell, if you are familiar with trees, what you would get from a tree by just looking at it. that oak tree, yeah it gives you oak, that maple tree, you guessed it, maple. now they got the same tree giving you maple sap and cinnamon. another thing i liked was getting materials in one part of the world, like uldah or gridania, and then selling them in another part like limsa for a huge markup, i became a kind of traveling merchant. but i frikken HATED dodos...iykyk. but i loved the little walking ore thingies cus they were non-aggro and they would follow you, you could go around and get a massive herd of the things, then buff yourself with protect and stone skin and punishing barbs and whatever else you had, switch to AOE mode and just keep blasting them til either they died, or you did. that way fun. getting past those frikken ants on the path from limsa to uldah...that sucked...frikken hated those ants, was always a mad dash past them. i liked the boat ride, i liked taking a little time, fishing off the side, using the fish to make aetherite shards that i would sell for a fortune in uldah. any time i would out grow my equipment i would begin a quest like a jedi to craft my new equipment, something i carried on into ARR. the dye system in ARR is...honestly kinda better, in 1.0 it was more realistic, you dye the yarn before you make the cloth, ARR is just like "just put some paint on it" and honestly...i like it. i did NOT like running out of aetherite tickets or whatever that currency they had was, while i liked taking the boat i also liked getting to my destination in less than an irl day and not having to deal with those frikken ANTS! i had a love/hate relationship with the shop mechanic. it was very ragnarok online, it's the reason i could sell things from one region for so much more in another region, but it was also a pain to find people selling the things you needed, it was nice seeing all the people in the shopping centres of uldah with the bag icons over their head, but that had to be hell on the servers. it's one thing when it's a bunch of sprites like in RO, but full 3d models...that area tended to absolutely chug. still there was never a shortage of people needing shards and willing to pay a pretty gil for em. still for all that, the board system was better, but i think the absolute decimation of the crafting system was the price we had to pay for the board system. if every item that could be made could be sold on the market board it would be WAY too cluttered, and confusing, you go looking for a plank shield and gotta ask "do i want a maple plank shield, an ash plank shield, an oak plank shield, (etc, etc)" plus the colour was fixed at creation time, so if you wanted a velveteen cowl and all they have is pink, well you are wearing pink. a lot of the different materials were cosmetic, marmot leather boots weren't any better or worse than other similar leather boots. then there is the quality, in ARR there is normal quality and high quality, but 1.0 had multiple levels of quality, i don't remember how high the plusses went...but i'm pretty sure it was more than 3. the "make it how you like" system and the "multiple levels of quality" system for crafting almost certainly were responsible for the RO style sale system and mutually exclusive with a market board. but i do love the market board, i love it's history feature that lets you see how frequently something sold and work out the average sale price to make it easier to price your goods ( i remember i had a friend he seen some item or another was on the board for like a million gil and said 'these are selling for a million gil' i had to remind him 'items on the board are by definition those which have NOT sold' and told him what they are ACTUALLY selling for, don't use the price of the competition to set your price, use historical sales.) i had made myself a goal: i was gonna buy a house. so i needed to raise like 4 million gil. i did that, stopped playing for a while, came back, did it again, stopped playing for a while with another 6 million gil on my retainers in case i gotta do it again. i love playing the market board, it's a perfect information commodity market and you can just MAKE the items. it's great. also ARR's mix of the good king moogle mog is great...all their music is pretty good, but i particularly like the good king moogle mog...reminds me of "this is halloween" and now I'VE written a huge text wall

@@tuseroni6085 I've stopped years ago, 5.2. But looking at you talking about getting a few millions made me smile. For the last few patches, I was mostly crafting and my last sub was to craft, as soon as possible, the newly green stuff for a progress guild. Then I played for the remaining of the month, and 4-6 millions was leww than the amount of money I was making in a single day ^^

@@Pooky_x that’s why everyone including me quits for a year or 2 and comes back lmao

@@Pooky_x get yourself 1 law 3 air and 1 earth rune teleport to lumbridge with sound on. BOOM nostalgia.

​@@Pooky_x enjoy your break!

@@riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip there were 120k+ people online on the weekend, that are release year numbers

​@@riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip Dead comment

Correct. I’ve purchased from the cash shop (mostly music and minions) simply because I wanted to support the game more. I play nearly every day, but only for a half hour or sometimes hour, which both moves me towards my goals and doesn’t burn me out. I could never manage that back in my WoW days.

Oh definitely, especially on free-to-play games. Each time I get a rare but also tradeable item, I think of how much real-world money it could have cost to get the item. (There's usually a complex path for games that say they're "not pay to win", being: real money -> premium currency -> loot boxes -> probability of loot box pulls getting you a rare tradeable cosmetic or pay to win upgrade item -> in-game gold cost of the upgrade item -> in-game gold cost of the item I got). Then I see in-game chat of "oh it's not pay to win, it's not that bad", and I think those poor victims of the marketing...

Wait, the gem store bothers you in Guild Wars 2? I don't ever notice it. The login rewards do not take you to the store, but to the achievement screen...

@@miguelcondadoolivar5149 I haven't played it in some months, but I remember seeing it when looking at crafting stuff and the transmog screen, among other things. Cash shops are, in general, one of the most immersion breaking things to me. So not only do I notice them whenever they're AT ALL intrusive, but they shatter my sense of "game world" when they do. It was weird seeing it for vendors and looking at screens that honestly shouldn't have had anything to do with it. I think it was also noticeable with those lockbox things where you have to buy the keys to open them. Like why even have the boxes as an in GAME item drop if you have to go to the CASH SHOP to buy the keys? Why not just have the chests as a CASH SHOP item (since that's what they are) and only have the bosses drop loot I can access in game without going to the cash shop?

@@TheSpicyLeg Exactly. I'm willing to spend some money here and there to support a game I like - especially if I know it's not got a sub keeping it going - since I'm enough of a capitalist to understand "If I give these people some of my money, they'll keep making content and game that I like, while if they get no money, they have to shut down and I don't get those things that I like". But if it's in my face all the time, not only does it break immersion making it feel less like an immersive game world I can lose myself in (the thing I like), but it also feels just...needy and greedy and scummy somehow. FFXIV has a cash shop, but they make sure it's out of the way. It's there if you want it, but you can completely ignore it and it isn't knocking on your door every five minutes.

as someone who played both wow and ff14, the latter is far more beginner-friendly than the former. the community is so much more patient and wholesome compared to wow players...

​@@TakahataStrifyuntil you get to endgame raiding where the salt is spread in abundance like on mcdonalds fries 😂

"and do whatever the hell they want" should say "and do whatever the shareholders tell them to do".

Case in point : Blizzard and WoW WoW keeps promising stuff the player base wants, introduce it, and the next patch they fuck it up. Wow tokens in Wrath, the Datamining of microtransactions for the trading post, and more.

And seasons + maps that come with ;)

Yep, people always underrated Anet work, especially since the game is the cheapest out of all mmo. Personally, I paid like 150$ at worst (I used the cash shop few time) to have all the content since 2012. 10 years of content that is not dead and still valuable. Quality/price wise, GW2 is the GOAT.

@@JearbearDC they are actually planning to restructured some WvW content, i'm not aware about it but still, you can check it out ;)

Thanks!

He did talk about this, and was a main talking point for the video. In general, being able to buy membership with ingame currency also correlates to being able to use real world currency to buy some form of currency in game, which can then be sold for whatever main currency the game uses, IE $ - > Bond - > Membership. One thing OSRS does well is locking many things behind questing and playing the game. Outside of that, being able to buy and sell bonds is generally not a good thing. Yes it allows a player to pay for the game with gameplay itself, but it also allows people to come in and basically buy max gear instantaneously and devaluing the gameplay.

@@lukienman to be honest, the people that buy their gear are very obvious to regular players. in fact, they're often mocked. you see them standing there in almost max gear, usually with a few very weird pieces missing, with a very specific statline that basically screams they bought their account. then they stand around the grand exchange without actually playing the game. if you leave them alone they're pretty harmless.

@@lukienman Tbh theres plenty of RWT sites people can (and still do) buy gold on anyways, its always been a problem with OSRS/RS and it can never be fixed as demand will always be there. Atleast with the bond system it offers people who play the game a way to get membership without paying real money. Its the only cash-shoppy/p2w mechanic I and most players are actually ok with.

@@lukienman Hypixel skyblock also has a form of buyable ingame item, but with the economy it is basically waste of money trying to build your bank from these things because even midgame money makers make like 5-6 of those an hour

@@lukienman idk how expensive stuff is on wow to buy if u was to buy max gear but buying bonds on runescape you would be looking at like £12,000 for max gear haha

Just started playing a week or two ago finishing season 1 Of living world after finishing personal story it’s fucking good but I wanna get a group to play dungeons with

I played wow for 10 years left after WOD came back for BFA and then left again thinking of coming back for dragon flight have herd a lot of good things about it

I remember when they first announced guild wars 2 and the devs said that "when you saved a village, it stays saved." My roommate and I were so excited for that!

The only MMO that earned my heart

Never got into it… played wow for like 10 years stopped playing that right before shadowlands came out and haven’t really played a MMORPG besides neverwinter on my Xbox every once in a while, keep hearing it’s good ima have to try out guild wars 2

so best try milk them as fast as possible before they quit.

Ffxiv doesn't even try, it retains players by letting them leave, I personally haven't played in 6 months, but inhale every intention of coming back soon.

@@vivifell Skyrim is single player, ESO is very young.

ESO came out in 2014. That’s 8 years ago.

And this is probably the single biggest sin of MMO's. The constant attempt to keep players active. It just becomes another job. I would rather pay $20 a month for an MMO and enjoy it within a year (not longer). I don't want to play a game where it takes a whole month to just get anywhere in the game. If I can't start enjoying end game content with 100 hours of game play... I am not likely going to be interested. Not saying it can't be achieved, but I am still waiting for someone to do it.

I mean, if u search hard enough, yoship himself announced the cash shop has no pay-2-win.

Aside from that, all of the items that you get from the cash shop are purely cosmetic. Nothing there will give you an advantage in raiding or making in-game money.

Its not even on purpose most likely. Its a fucking pain to actually buy the game and play it. They just did the same with the shop

not to mention the long boi (Auction house Brutosaur), which when it came out was 5 million gold. that was around 500-600 bucks in REAL MONEY, and that mount is no longer available outside of the black market. Now its closer to gold cap, and its one of the most useful mounts in the game. That one still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Considering I was able to pay for 6 months of game tokens with GOLD ONLY, no IRL Cash, just from leatherworking, and was STILL able to play and have fun.....I'd say you're doing something wrong....

Skinny, *IF* their management allows them to. Consider the following "Look bub, we have a policy, THE policy, and if you don't like it for whatever reasons, you can LEAVE. There WILL be others. Period." Probably ZOS_Icy or ZOS_Psiion would outright censor my answer here, but you know what? It's NOT ESO forum.

and with NO monthly sub, might I add

This video was a FF14 ad, he even forgot to talk about Old School Runescape at all when he mentions it as also growing. This is a FF14 fluff video and that's all, it's primary focus was to point out flaws in other games and highlight positives in FF14.

@@7BitBrian pretty much, I’ve tried so many times to try to get into FFXIV but the game doesn’t feel like a mmo. Playing it makes me feel like I’m playing .hack games due to how the world doesn’t have any sense of immersion. Mobs just set around at random and the maps feels very restricted even after flying.

He called Destiny 2 an MMO. That alone discredits this video.

@@TheDeFiler316i get where you're coming from, but many do consider destiny moving into that mmo category, even the devs sometimes.

If ffxiv is so good , why play eso? Just stay with the god mmo

@@arisuaozora because, it's good to check out other games and not all can play a single game for the rest of their lives, but to have a game that you can always return to when eventually those other game start to bore you and a game that you know will always have new and exciting things for you every time you return is massive and breeds a warm player enviroment for new and returning players.

@@FaceFish9 other games start to bore you then you return to ffxiv? Then why leave ffxiv? Coz it bores you? Come on , its a god mmo wasnt it?? If is good whats the point of playing other games since ffxiv have infinite contents??

@@arisuaozora you are either a troll or just ignorant, but let's see which one. Okay so, let's start with the fact that when you play a game you play for the experience, for the fun of it, to see a completely new world and what it has to offer, now when you've seen it, heard the story, done the content you want to do there is only things that you might have not already done/have not wanted to do. for example FFXIV has -Main story quests -Side quests -Dungeons (both main story and side) -Normal Raids with their own story arcs -Alliance Raids with their own story arcs -Trials -Leveling all combat classes -Leveling all gathering/crafting classes -Housing -Island expedition -Deep dungeon/palace of the dead -Extreme Trials (harder version of the trials for those who want a mount/gear) -Savage Raids (harder version of normal raids for those who want better gear) -Ultimate Raids (pretty much whole story arc worth of bosses put in together to make ultimate challenge) -Unreal Trials (rerelease of older trials put to current max level) -Treasure maps -Fates (overworld timed quests) -Mount farming -Pet farming -Glamour farming -Gold saucer (minigames) and take in account that just the Main story can take up hundreds of hours of gametime so it's fair to say you might want to take a break and see other just as amazing worlds before you tackle the other things which all are relevant and that alot of people do everyday. for example, if i would just play one game i would have never gotten to experience the amazing story that is Nier:Automata, or find my current friend group in Phantasy star online 2, not to mention that sometimes you just don't want to play a fantasy MMORPG game and want something more chill like maybe Stardew valley, or maybe you are on a trip and don't have your PC/console with you, but you have your switch, so you play games with that. Gaming is so much more than just playing one game over and over, and even the best games and MMOs have their lull periods where there either is no content that interests you or you don't want to play them. that's like telling an Artist that "So if you like this art you made why don't you just make the same art again?" but the truth is, experiementing and seeing new things will make your own stuff better in the future. and same is with gaming, the more you experience new games the more you can appreciate the ones you like the most.

@@arisuaozora I think other people have more or less covered this, but yeah... it's possible to do two different things for different reasons. For example some stuff I really like about ESO that you don't get much of in FFXIV, is ... the flexibility in how you build your character, the exploration aspects of the game, the amount of good side quest content. It's also refreshing just to play in a different world with different stories and lore. It may shock you but... I like two things.

Is there a healing class? I healed in WoW years ago and if FFXIV has a healing class/spec I may give it a shot if my computer can handle it.

@@RyanJ_24 There are actually 4 healing classes right now! as i like to put it, 4 flavors to choose from. Here's a video to explain if you'd rather not read my little essay: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-osvUOqeDwD0.html Conjurer/White Mage - the most basic healer, you can start the game as a conjurer and if its to your liking you probably won't leave the class. They heal when a buddy is hurt and dps when they're not. Regen heaven Scholar - the other basic healer, but you'll have to play and level the basic class Arcanist in order to unlock the job Scholar. They put shields and other defensive buffs on party members so they can spend more time dpsing Astrologian - Regen, but now there's stars and tarot cards n stuff. You can fill the boss arena with enough space dust and stars that everyone will need 5 layers of sunglasses to see. Also you get to build a bomb (don't worry, it's friendly). Sage - the new kid who has 4 lazer guns and heals a designated party member by attacking enemies. More shields for your healing anxiety so you can spend more time shooting lazers. I explain terribly pls watch the video it helps i swear

@@FragariaNoKami777 thanks for this!

@@RyanJ_24 Also just to clarify, you can switch back and forth between classes at any time you're not in a raid or dungeon. You can do a main story quest as a warrior and then decide you want to go level your astrologian, so you press the astrologian button and go queue for a dungeon. After the dungeon, you can switch to reaper and go farm some overworld events. Essentially, you have one character on which you can level all jobs individually. No alts, no specs that you have to really commit into. If you find you are not enjoying the job you started with, you can always go unlock and play others. Balance is also great, everything is viable.

@@niedas3426 thank you SO much I didn’t know that. Not used to that flexibility. That’s really cool. I am enjoying it so far. Just a few levels in but finding it enjoyable. Thanks for breaking it down for me. I appreciate it!

Yeah, I think some of that is the game's mechanics being less competitive than WoW's: no PvP factions dividing the player base, no penalties for helping/being helped by another player, no competing for crafting materials. Also, the game is much less grindy, so you don't have veterans quitting the dungeon when a new player joins for the first time. You can really see how that grind affects even a chill player base if you think about the Main Scenario 8-man dungeons at the end of ARR. Glad they eliminated those.

I love seeing people's reaction to the story. People love the story so much that they even put in new game plus, so people like me can go back through it again without having to make a new character.

I never got to play Wildstar after being so bummed about losing Star Wars Galaxies and City of Heroes. I was NOT happy with NCSoft at all. I really wanted to play Wildstar. But the shock of losing City of Heroes caused too much resentment for the company. Starting a new game under their name just reminded me the pain of losing Paragon City, the world's greatest comic book MMORPG

@Spacellary They were getting ready to shut XI down a few years back Rhapsodies of Vanadiel was to be the game's one last hurrah ( and it is a masterpiece of a story) and the game entered maintenance mode ready to pull the plug but rising player numbers just prior and during the onset of covid changed their minds and they even started updating the game again bringing new if small content patches. It has been discussed in several interviews where they talked about it and have decided as long as enough players are paying to keep the servers on they will keep it running indefinitely. They joking said they hope to see it go another 20 years if they can keep developers for it since most of the team put their careers and lives on hold and sacrificed to see XI hit the 20 year mark..

@@fulgerion The game is still kicking but nothing compares to when the game was live. I wish another company bought it and saw the potential. CoH was ahead of its time since comic book heroes/marvel was just taking off at the same time.

it's worth noting too that the amount of gil you obtain by buying a job skip isn't substantial. And unlike other MMORPGs with the paid currency convenience option, if you truly wanted to buy gil with this method you'd be capped off by the number of jobs there are in the game at the time as opposed to however much you wanted.

@@Bardregan you can still buy the boosts and get the gold even if all your jobs are max level. You just can’t use the boosts, but like you said, 500k Gil is chump change in ffxiv. I know a few people that are sitting on 1 billion Gil 24/7 and could give everyone in my fc 500k Gil and still have millions left over.

Hopefully Ashes of Creation comes out in a year or two, seems like you might like it

BRO IM SAYIN I came to the comments to say the same thing; FF14 is a fine MMO but damn if OSRS hasn’t for years over and over proven to be an anomaly and clear cut ahead of the rest in terms of growth; community interaction/dedication and interesting fun content.

Osrs is old and boring nothing to talk about it's not even osrs anymore

@@Vinscotti lmfao they just released tombs of amascut last month? Booming economy with new weapons and armor; they released fresh start worlds (brand new economy brand new accounts that translate to main game after 6 months) the released quest speedrunning; are reworking wilderness bosses and weapons and running a poll as we speak. You are extremely wrong. If you wanna stay where whip is BIS idk what to tell you, but they have done An amazing job making this game full and modern but letting it keep its nostalgia factor with HUGE QOL Improvements

end of the video he says he will make another video talking about osrs

@@itzrixis1919 True, but FF14 got a whole essay in this vid. I just think it would have fit more smoothly to have them both in the same vid.

@@rabmcglinchy7959 You will still notice a huge difference between a real lvl 5 player and a de-leveled lvl 80 max power character. Besides, this is how they enable world bosses very early on: these bosses appear as early as lvl 15 regions, so everyone can participate. You still get stronger, but you just can't run around the place instantly deleting all enemies. Even WoW adopted this, because in the past you'd get to max lvl and then 1-shot the entirety of Westfall, and that isn't entertaining. All regions of the game feel rewarding and worth exploring. Oh, the loot is scaled to your level too, so you're never getting "real" trash, as most of the loot is being recycled for materials.

It is a great game except the art style is not for me... So l don't play it mainly

@Rab McGlinchy it’s to prevent a player on oneshoting mini world bosses. So it gives some time for other players to hop in and get stuffs and enjoy the action hence their level differences. Plus it helps the newbies get some exps and level up.

@Rab McGlinchy your dps are still noticeable when it comes to world event bosses anyways it just scale down each maps. But for dungeons, Fractals, Raids etc. you’ll definitely shine there.

ESO combat is the most uninspired, boring trash. GW does it right.

Not an amazing mmo by any standards but the one redeeming quality of Everquest 2 was how immersive it could be with all it's voice lines.

Wasn't swtor the game with the most voice acting budget or something for a while? Absolutely insane amount of VO for its time, only recently did they start to do muted content (mostly on side content tho)

​@Radical Alt-Centrist it was the first fully voiced mmo ever

Its awesome for new players, there's an absolute ton of stuff to do, 10 years worth, but for veterans it suffers terribly from a severe lack of content.

If it felt like Star Wars and not WOW in space I could get into it.

It's worth noting that FFXIV is free up to level 60. this has given me personally over 80 hours of content and I haven't even scratched the surface of tons of the content available to me, I've only levelled one job to 60, I haven't delved into crafting at all yet, theres dozens of optional Dungeons and Trials I haven't even touched yet, I havent gotten into Glamours or Mounts or Minions or any of the other cosmetics yet, I haven't spent time at the Golden Saucer playing the minigames. FFXIV Is the best free MMO I've ever played despite being subscription based

@@milesbush9589 that a nitch mmo market

gw2 actually aged pretty bad overall, its a pve spam to win game spvp and wvw were ruined ages ago, i recommend it for players that want to try their 1st mmo only.

​@@lm4122 That's a horrendously inaccurate statement about the state of Guild Wars 2. There is no such thing as this "pve spam to win game" clearly you don't understand that the pve content is meant to be grinded.

@@lm4122 Stop treating games as a job to grind. GW2 is more alive than ever, and yeah the devs could do well with giving pvp some damn love. But GW2 was the mmo that taught me to enjoy a game for its gameplay and not for what I can "achieve" just like FFXIV showed me how a truly amazing story can turn the worlds most mediocre boss arena simulator into one of the best games ever made.

@@NoBuddy89 > GW2 is more alive than ever Factually wrong in every possible way. Dungeon running is dead. Fractals are dead. Raiding is dead. WvW is still sitting there half-dead with copious amounts copium that factions will somehow fix the issues (they won't). And SPvP is a meme. We haven't gotten a new dungeon in literally ever. We've gotten like 1 "new" fractal like 3 years ago. We haven't gotten a new raid since 2019. Everyone actually good at World vs World fighting quit ages ago because the devs did nothing to fix the massive population imbalances, other than making the game mode objectively worse with all the stupid overpowered upgrades that make it nearly impossible to take keeps/sm in an even fight. Idk what kind of copium you need to believe that the game is more alive than ever, but please hand me some.

@@Microtardz Dungeons and Raids aren't *really* the endgame focus of GW2, they're just another option and this is a good thing. Games like WoW (I'm assuming you're a blizzdrone because of your pfp) end up with dead open worlds because there's basically no point to doing anything but queueing for mythics and raids over and over, and the fact that you'll never see anybody from that pug ever again also means MMOs that do this basically have 0 community. GW2 has map metas that require just about everyone in the map to participate instead, and you're fairly likely to meet familiar faces especially if you're playing in that map a lot. Imo, this is a vastly superior form of group content because I never have to deal with some 'genius' that queued 8 minutes before he has to leave for work demanding a speedrun or unfun sweatlords in general. It also helps build communities, I've seen entire guilds made based around specific map meta events like Tangled Depths. As for your WvW point, it did stagnate for awhile, but the WvW playerbase has remained as active as ever. On top of this, they've just recently begun overhauling WvW to be more guild-centric, easier to participate in with friends, and more rewarding in general, so actually lately I'd say it's become even *more* active. Your comment reeks of the specific strain of terminal autism belonging to a WoW addict, so enjoy your new WoW expansion where they had to straight up rip off some GW2 mechanics to save your dying shitheap.

The issue with the RoD was that while yeah, it was fantastic as a learning tool for new players, it was a way of trivializing FAR too much content for endgame players. Formerly devastating mechanics became negligible. Most bosses take *less* than 3 minutes to kill from start to finish even with a mid level account, so you literally *couldn’t* fuck up most of the time. It was broken. I’m not saying the current effect is better for the game, but it was VERY obviously not balanced in its former form either.

@@SaltSpirits Heres the problem: trickle down balancing in MMOs does not work. if you "balance" for the sake of 1%(or less) of your playerbase, you often times make dead content or items. For rs3? Why not make it less effective for high enrage for engame encounters e.g. Telos, Zamorak, Rasha, etc so you arent making it useless for literally everyone.

Tokens in Osrs is not p2w. It can help a little but it no way it's the intended way to play the game. I bought a couple of them as a returning player just to get base 40 in all skills fast and some armor/wep then I procede to play the game normally. Tokens are way too expensive.

It’s a major issue in RS3, luckily the membership is shared in both versions of Runescape. RS3 acts like a buffer for OSRS, inflation is crazy in RS3

Runescape has the weirdest in game economics, in that you can apply real world economics in game to scale, including scams and pump and dumps. To be honest I feel that's why it still retains a lot of its player base, as the economics of the GE has generated more fun stories and memories for me than anything else.

@@promero14 Tokens in WoW arent either, there isnt anything in WoW that you can buy with gold that better than what you can earn with playing the game

I'm not sure how the reception in WoW was, but in OSRS bonds were probably more welcome because one of the game's major problems is botting and Real World Trading (buying in-game stuff with real money). Introducing a way for players to "buy" gold through sellable membership cut down on the appeal of sketchy third parties, which cut down on the amount of items entering the game from botters, which cut down on inflation of those items. Also bonds themselves don't act as a source of resources/gear/exp/etc which further prevents them from causing inflation. As a result, the in-game items have held their value high enough that for the majority of players it isn't even a consideration to buy them with bonds (for instance one of the most sought after weapons is the twisted bow, worth about 1bil or ~1000 usd.) Either that or so much of the player base is ironman that the negative impact isn't felt by enough of the player base to be a problem.

?? How did you get through the boring leveling?

@@Patrickdaawsome leveling in ffxiv is boring but it's also easy. If you're just leveling 1 or 2 jobs you don't even need to grind, the main story quests in the expansions on provide enough exp for you to keep pace without grinding. I finished Endwalker 5 days after release. Simply doing 2-3 daily roulettes (30-45min) allowed me to keep pace with two jobs.

@@Patrickdaawsome I've never played a game where leveling wasn't kind of boring/grindy. FFXIV at least makes it easy and relatively fast to get through. Unless we're talking REALLY old school like FF11 or Everquest or early WoW where leveling was more about experiencing the world, FFXIV's leveling isn't any more boring than other modern MMOs.

@@Patrickdaawsome I thought ARR was boring most of the time, I wasn't used to so much dialogue. And Post ARR seems never ending. If you get to HW it changes, much better storylines and its all better quality from there.

@@Patrickdaawsome I didn’t get bored cause I was kinda blitzing through the main story quest as warrior then changed to dark knight and just kept just doing main story. It gives enough exp. It’s optional to level up more than one job