I love how the video started with “Why is archery in films and media always so bad?” And ended with “Archery in films and media is not bad… it’s badass.”
That can be a dangerous think to say. Where I train safety comes first, then posture, then consistency and only after that how many points you managed to shoot.
@@lemagicbaguette1917perhaps a better wording is "hitting your target" as it implies consistency. But then again you should explain it no matter what your wording was
It’s very true, my archery instructor was amazing, i loved the show arrow and Hawkeye from the avengers and I would show him clips from the show or movies and tell him how impossible it was and he would set up a demonstration and do almost the exact same moves he was amazing and I’m so glad I got those lessons. As he said many times “the bow and arrow are the most widely used and most versatile weapon anyone could master
Never forget that James Cameron had an Olympic archer on the set of the first Avatar who heard how he was gonna have them shoot the bows and said “you can’t shoot a bow like that” and so James Cameron brought him outside and proceeded to demonstrate that you can indeed shoot a bow like that
@@leholen381Tv are also using modified fictional bows. Like the strongest most advanced compound bows imaginable, or magical bows that take almost no resistance yet incredible speed and infinite quiver space.
What’s interesting is that other experts have said that while Jennifer Lawrence had beautiful form as Katniss in the Hunger Games movies, it was primarily an Olympic style target shooting form, which wouldn’t be ideal or realistic for someone hunting in the woods. So those movies actually suffered from the opposite of what he’s saying here.
Well the tributes are trained by and in professional environments before being dropped in the woods and The Hunger Games is a televised sport itself so it makes sense that the capitol would only train tributes in the athletic form
@@TheFirstBhau but Katniss was good at shooting beacuse she had been illegally poaching game since she was very young. She didn't learn how to shoot in the Capitol.
@@shhhhh232you're telling me a child has the ability to shoot a apple out of the air, or shoot a arrow while hanging upside down on tree, With just a little training? Yeah I'm not gonna to say that he has Godlike skill, but his archery skill is definitely above that of a child with little training.
First of all, as a character animator thank you so much for teaching these and showing these. And second of all, I really ADORE those “not so cool looking” but _historically accurate_ archery techniques at the end! They look _brilliant_ to me! So natural and effective movements!
Some videos I've seen have mentioned how animation usually is more accurate in terms of movement, techniques and that animators sometimes do a lot of research on stuff. One video I watched rated a scene for Pixar's Brave was being very good compared to most live action. I guess it makes sense as artists and animators usually need visual references to work with in order to replicate movement and scenes. I'm aware some Japanese manga artists own replicas of swords they use, as well as stuff like prop guns to see how they work and feel. Same with game devs, etc. Even though we know how to walk, observation is also key I guess. I think this is why I often consider animation to be the more superior form of entertainment, well, in terms of quality and detail anyway. But that's just personal opinion.
@@mnArqal93 everything you’ve said here true tbh :) And I agree with all of them. Maybe I’m biased at the end about also thinking animation is a very superior form of art, but this is why I decided to pursue animation in the first place! So much technique and extremely multi disciplinary. Not just drawing: Physics, biology, history, fasion, visual arts etc… It takes not only knowledge and skill but also willpower. I aspire to be like the great professionals in animation like the likes of James Baxter 🧡
Growing up being taught there’s only one way to do archery properly, and then seeing archery “done wrong” in movies really made me upset when I was younger. It felt really fake to me, especially the rapid firing scenes. This video explains why those methods aren’t necessarily wrong, but a shooting style instead. (That was seriously cool man!)
Films don't show archers properly because it's not about hitting the target, that can be faked, it's about how it looks when they shoot. Viewers would get bored.
@@beebuzz959Did you not watch the video? He literally just explained that what we’re perceiving as “the proper way” is inherently biased towards olympic archery. There is no proper way, there is only different techniques. The movies are using correct representations for their characters and the contexts they’re within.
@@ellespoonies And still.. if something is cooler but wrong or impossible irl.. they usually put it in the movie; that's for sure. "He explained.." he is just doing a generic short, man.. don't take anything you see on the internet like the Bible.
Same with martial arts. They drilled stances into us in karate, but in a fight you aren’t going to be in full horse stance-just close enough to give you the power you need.
As an 'instinct' archer, I always thought a lot of fantasy archers were fine. It wasn't until I started watching compound and competition archery that I saw people calling false flags on movie archery. I never quite understood why they did that since, that is how I practiced. When you practice your craft a certain way, you get good. Doesn't matter style since each one has strengths and weaknesses.
Fun fact about human beings: we tend to think of things as being how we remember/understand them. Most people, I think, don't have a lot of skilled, classically-trained archers running around, so they don't have a good image in their head. So they do mild interest searches (if even that) and make up an image in their heads. And anything that "looks" wrong to someone like that might be correct, but for some people it's hard to admit they're wrong *and* there's some desperation to be heard and understood. People like to feel smart.
One gripe I have about how specifically English Archers from the medieval era are depicted is that sometimes they hold back the drawstring a too long to aim. Iirc the average Longbow has a draw weight of well over 100 lbs. Having to hold back that much power while also trying to keep your arm steady to aim doesn’t sound like a pleasant time.
These modern people, especially from rich and standardized countries, think there is only one way to do everything. This is so limiting, that's why people have so much anxiety, anxiety comes from anguish, which means something tight. People live on increasingly smaller plots of land, more specific jobs, and even cannot conceive of other ways of thinking.
@@allenrosales9738Look, I agree, the bow is aimed before pulling the string and then makes finer adjustments and lets go. BUT, it is possible that they were aiming or waiting for commands. It's so easy to recognize an archer (speaking of the bones), they have one arm that's super bigger than the other, even the bone is much bigger than that of a normal person (that's just in one arm). an archer who trained 100 shots a day (which isn't even that much if that's his profession) and still used the bow to exercise (I'm using a dry bow, I gently pull and return the string because the bow is heavy for me ), sure they could aim for 3-5 seconds each shot, in fact that's not even that much. And ok, a stealth shot takes longer, it's natural, even people with little training do this, it's an instinct and a precaution. It would be bad to waste such a good opportunity
just because you get good at it, doesn't make it proper or good form. You're still doing it wrong. I can adjust my sight in a way to always hit a target even when drawing poorly, but at the end, I'm still drawing poorly.
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I love how he calls out all the things people think Hollywood gets wrong about archery while doing all of those things. Multiple takes or not, it's super impressive. As a lover of fantasy fiction, this type of content is top tier.
i like how he doesnt use his knowledge in archery as a weapon. he just lets fictional archers be fictional archers. can we have more people like you in the world, pretty please?
A tip is could be instead of using modern Olympic archers (those that use modern recurved with sticks and pins on) as instructors, use instructor archers that do historical archery. This will give you another "ancor piont", but as the archer either shoot on instinct or by looking down the arrow (pointing, not aiming) this helps.
As someone who's done archery all their lives only a child would struggle to hold the 20lb draw weight your average movie bow does. Sure a 100lb bow isn't something anyone could hold for long . But even when archery was a viable battlefield tactic those sorts of bows were rare. Even more so the men that could draw them.
@@clothar23 70-100 pound bows, or even up to 185 pounds, were what archers used in the middle ages. They were not rare. People trained for a very long time to use them, but there were a lot of people who trained to use them. Also you never held an arrow drawn for long in battle anyway, you would usually draw and shoot in one motion because the enemy would be fast approaching and right in front of you (medieval archers did not arc their shots, they generally shot straight ahead.) Even still, many people used longbows with the same exact weight (often 80 or so pounds) for hunting. Hunting was THE pastime for nobility, and it was a way of life for a lot of people--and you couldn't kill a deer with a 20 pound bow.
@@plaidpvcpipe3792 I have no idea what nonsense you're spewing but anything past 60 to 70 lbs draw weights was uncommon. And very few countries mandated archery practice so few people bothered with high poundage bows. And the countries that did became famous for their archery. That wouldn't have happened in a world were skilled and powerful archers were a dime a dozen. Even the nobility who hunted didn't use that kind of draw weight. Something you'd understand if you hunted. Since you would be damaging the meat with anything in a high draw weight. You'd also understand venison is plenty vulnerable to a 40 to 50lb draw weight. And anything bigger would have been hunted with dogs and spears not bows. No one especially a poacher is risking their lives taking on a bear or an a auroch with a bow. And yes I say poacher , since game hunting wasn't something anyone but the nobility were allowed to do. Especially in medieval Europe. And lastly it doesn't matter since any archer or bowyer can tell you those toy bows in popular media are anything but a child's plaything. So they wouldn't be bothered by the length of time spent on the draw or the arcing fire. Since both would be required for those bits of junk to hit anything let alone kill it.
@@racker6081 I once went to a fencing tournament where the combatants had to say •"You seem a decent fellow, I hate to kill you." •"I am a decent fellow. I hate to die."
Thank you for this! There are many athletes who harshly criticizes movies like this being "inaccurate" when in reality, there's no such thing as "realistic archery" in real combat practice. In combat, you are not expected to always have and do proper form. You just have make do of what you have and what you can do. Apart from flashy movements, most of them are doable and practical.
@@chaotixthefoxit's also extremely specialized to the point of being impractical for anything else. Lole you are not taking that lympic bow into the woods to hunt with. Too long and too many things sticking out of it.
@@randomwords3645 that because bows are just a mechanism to shoot small spears at people Kevlar and other bullet proof material are not made to stop blades.
@@randomwords3645 The intent of bullet proof vests is to catch the bullet and spread the force of impact as much as it can, the comparison doesn't work at all.
I feel like what I say about working with a knife applies here: The safest and most effective way to use a tool is the way that makes you feel comfortable and in control
As always, amazing and informative. So many different tricks and styles in one short video. I think my favourite part was hitting the apple in flight. 😄
@@blumineckI don't consider Olympic archery true archery. They have modern bows with a sight. I am way more impressed by horse archery which is done with a traditional recurve bow no sights and you have to shoot multiple targets while moving.
@@bronsonleach3573 Arguably it is an entirely separate discipline. There was a period between the late 1800's and the early 1900's where archery died out almost entirely as a national service and past time across the world and was revived as the modern Olympic style archery. The traditions and knowledge of practical archery for hunting and war essentially died out and new materials, manufacturing techniques, styles and competition replaced it.
THANK YOU! As someone who took archery (And loves medieval weapon history) this has been an uphill battle for me to explain to my friends why I don't get so angry at the various forms that archers take.
It's like shooting anything from a dart to a basketball. You learn the stationary long correct shot as a standard and once you've got that you learn to modify it to make it fit circumstances where the tradition shot won't work, like with a fade away or if youve got to put more arch or spin to get it over a tall defender, need to thread between darts with a steep dive etc., these all require modifications of proper form
It's kind of ironic how Jennifer Lawrence's archery as Katniss Everdeen was technically unrealistic for the exact opposite reason. She was taught to shoot like an Olympic archer even though she was playing a hunter.
I'man archer too, I do Traditional Archery (or Instinctive Archery), a form of archery closer to the hunt and the old times, like the medieval archers. We are not olympics archer, we have a completely different style based on the person ad his bow. Our weapons are called "naked bows", meaning that whatever bow you choose as a companion you can not have any support, like sights, weights or else (except for the compound that can have only their basic sight). I can surely say that the 80% of the fictional archers are more similar to the traditional ones. We shoot with our instinct, not with math or physics👍 Sorry for any mistake, I try my best while writing in english
I do Historical archery, and I so agree with you. I wish møte of the archery instructors in movies has background from either TradBow or Historical archery, teaching the actors to draw to and anchor on the chin, under the eye or all the way back to the ear, and not only drawing to the chest, far away from ones eye (it get so clear that the instructors are used to having sights and weights...)
You are like the antithesis to all the channels that complain about "inaccurate" swordsmanship in media where characters wield swords 10 times their weight. Words cannot express my appreciation of your acknowledgement that looking awesome is worth sacrificing "perfect" form. You have earned this sub.
There's a difference, he is defending other styles of archery that is not olympic target shooting. That those styles have historical accuracy to back it up. Those channels complaining about impossibly heavy swords are defending real world physics.
he also talks about them being elves and members of dystopian societies the fact that it's not real, the fact that it's not possible is kind of the point
Yeah, actually what convinced me to see the movie. It was more modernized than I expected, but the archery and a bunch of other fight things etc. grounded it again. By far no perfect movie, but it didn't have moments where I was pulled out of it because of mismatched things like archery. It's definitely a thing that annoys me in a lot of movies, same with bad medical or tech stuff.
@@ferdinand3und4zigoh God, I can't stand bad tech shit in movies. They love to make random ass oscilloscopes look fancy or basic endothermic reactions look complex. Or hell, they love to make engineering look like it takes a few hours to complete a project instead of weeks and months writing out calculations, fine tuning parts, or debugging code because you forgot a goddamn semi-colon in line 245 or completely forgot that you were calling the wrong damn object because you capitalized the wrong letter!
Ironically Lars Anderson is the reason I turned it down. While trick shots can be done, they are trick shots. A lot about what he taught them simply doesn't work for realistic scenarios. It's only real in as far as it can be done to shoot a target. In it's ability to cause significant harm or pull off what the movies present, it is lacking severely. The short draw shots Lars or even this guy's clips display are great for spectacle against soft targets and at short range, but not for "real" combat scenarios.
Had a firearm instructor that wouldn't let us use anything but the outdated weaver stance, because it wasn't the "correct form". Sometimes, even experts are ignorant.
I absolutely love this specifically because most of the time everyone wants to rag on the movies but doing that completely misses everything. Thank you sir!
I'll never understand what people have against fantasy techniques in fantasy settings. Thats the point! I grew up shooting bows, guns, and lots of other things. I grew up studying martial arts. I grew up hunting and skinning and camping and everything of the sort. Characters doing it whimsically and interestingly is far better to me than the rugged, boring and 'correct' way we do it in real life. Id much rather a non-expert make up their own cool BS than have it be totally realistic.
It goes like this: you grew up loving fantasy, you got into swordfighting/archery/historical armory techniques because it fostered your interest, then you learned that everyone in fantasy is doing it wrong compared to real life
@@MarieAvora Only fools without a creative mind get themselves upset over that. Fantasy is not real life. That is why they do not-real-life things. The glory is that we can break free of the boring, static systems of reality and have amazing fun watching the impossible happen. We are naturally amazed at witnessing what cannot or should not be done by ourselves. By forcing yourself to fear that inborn wonder, you will only destroy one of the mist important parts of the human mind: creativity. Do not get yourself caught up with the false 'burden' of knowledge. Wise people know how to appreciate reality, and fiction alike. Bleeding one into the other is a fool's game.
I don't think that's why it looks so bad a lot of the time, though. In film, they often, for safety reasons, have the actors use bows at incredibly low poundage. Even with you demonstrating their trick shots here, I can see your form engaging your muscles, you're not slack, you're braced, you make exertion noises when you speak and breathe. Sometimes we can even see the low poundage bows in action when they don't edit in the faster string or arrow in post, and the string real time flops and wobbles like crazy, and the arrow limps out of the bow.
@@blumineckI agree up to a point. Having the actor learn to move like the bow had a high draw weight and act as if he or she was putting effort in would be nice.
There's also the problem of the short draw done for most such tricks. Yeah, they can be done, but even with a heavier bow if you're only drawing the string a short distance to pop an arrow off, it's not going to be doing what it's most often played up to achieve. Massive gulf of difference from plunking an arrow into an apple/target and plunking one into armored cavalry.
@daefaron to be fair, even Legolas grunts a little when he shoots and talks at the same time, like when he was counting his kills on the elephant in his continued rivalry with Ghimli.
I love that he was still talking through the pain of shooting bare handed Cause that shit does hurt and long term can like 99% of the time cause lasting nerve damage in your fingers So use your gloves or tabs or thumb rings kids
To avoid nerve damage you need to really work your way up slowly and build up calluses. I tried that early on, damaged my thumb nerves. I'll stick with thumb rings, lol. Best to just use protection and not fuck up your nerves by acting cool. Thankfully mine healed after a few weeks. But I know a few that can shoot decently high poundage with bare fingers.
Thumb protection, thick gloves, all this stuff makes me EXTREMELY uncomfortable, it takes off all my consistency and strength while drawing... But if you can use it, use it.
Thank you for saying this. I'm pretty sick of the old men at my range who go out of their way to tell people they're doing it wrong and then describe the correct way and it ends up being olympic recurve target shooting. I'm stuck there suffering through their lecture with my 80% let-off compound set to 60lbs and my chunky Al arrows with my field points screwed in just trying enjoy the sun and work out. Like bro, use your eyes while you lecture me, if I wanted to compete at target shooting, then why am I not shooting barebow, why are my arrows so thick, why do I have a hunting quiver? They act like target competition is the only way to have fun in archery. It's not; I'll probably never hunt, but my whole kit visibly screams "hunting," I'm never going to compete, old fart, leave me alone.
To be fair, not all bows had 80+ pounds, but even everything above 40 or 50 pounds could be quite difficult to keep holding. On the other hand, I think we can assume that most people in medieval times were more fit than the average person is today, and thus, would actually have been able to keep it on hold. But yes, this is one of the probably most unrealistic "feats" done in Film Archery. Though, sometimes I like my unrealistic archery feats. Like in War of the Arrows, in which the protagonist twists the string to increase the shooting power of his arrow.
@@eddyram4932 There are only a couple of bows for which it makes sense to assume they're 80+ pounds. English longbows and Odysseus' bow (though I don't really now how much poundage his bow would have had) For everything else, it's just your assumption. Which can be true and wrong, since it probably isn#t even established in any of those fantasy universes.
the primary goal of archers using bow & arrow is to shoot the bow & arrow with the best method that works best with their knowledge & skills. if they feel like shooting from the weirdest technique u can ever think of but they did it flawlessly then it would work. (& remember, there are tons of different archery techniques throughout history that developed separately from each other)
I LOVE this. There are different positions that would feel more or less comfortable to different people and I can only imagine the small variances in the way a person might look while aiming based upon their eyesight and individual preferences. To pull off a shot in changing circumstances you wouldnt need to be measured by the exact same set of rules and standards as you would in a competition. You just need to do what works. I have a D&D Character that uses a bow and I really wanted her to have an archery style congruent with my Indigenous Tribal history, and when my DM tried to "correct" how she should shoot he shut up real quick when I said where her form was from, and the research I did for it.😅
@@user-op8do3ll1k I apologize, my joke fell a bit flat. You said he "was once an archer". So I attempted to make a joke using the old "I used to be an adventurer" meme
That said, I will not forgive Hunger Games for making Katnis “shoot” a rock with her bowstring and it flies through the air like a slingshot to scare out a deer. All she had to do was throw the rock! 😂
@@funtimeflorian1643Missing from your explanation: Why did she use a bow to get the rock further than she could throw it? - While I cannot say I know this is not possible to do with a bow, it does seem exceedingly impractical and improbable.
I appreciate your content SO much! I do stilts, d&d/pathfinder, renfests, a little archery, a little acro, and especially dancing & theatrical combat for stage/film (both of which I teach as well). I was going to go into cirque and pole dance but instead stage combat took over my life, though I still deeply desire to do pole someday. I'm currently in a Robin Hood show and sent this to the fight director (who is also my GM) and he appreciated tf out of it, it's going to inform some of the archery in our show. Thank you for making such excellent content and bringing so many of my favourite niches together! 🥰
Thank you! I'm so glad you find this stuff useful! And honestly you sound like a fascinating person! If you ever need an advisor or an extra hand for some archery scenes in something, hit me up!
@@blumineck Aww thanks, I really appreciate that! If you ever are nearabouts the Saint Paul/Minneapolis area of Minnesota, US and you feel like teaching a master class, I am an assistant instructor at a stage combat school called Art In Arms and we would love to have you! Or if you just want to come to the Minnesota Renaissance Festival some August/September, I've got comps. :) At some point, would you perhaps make a video about different ways to draw in different cultures in history?
I am so glad to hear someone say that, as a super hero nerd, even tho they aren't always my number 1, I always ADORE super hero archers like Hawkeye and Green Arrow. And so many times I hear "archers in movies are so bad and shoot bows wrong" and finally someone on the internet is willing to cut them some slack instead of hating on them.
People who can't remember they're watching scripted media are so annoying. I'm a dog trainer and even I have to stop trying to critique shit I see in media around dogs and not that I think any of its terrible or fake but I'm like "yo, you can get dogs to do some wild shit, why is this so lame though?" But then remember, man, it's just a fucking movie idc, im glad they got a dog anyway.
My guy is a dimension traveller, he came from the Fantasy world, where he was an archer warrior or a hunter, and he is teching us the way of the arrow. Thank you, mister world-traveller
The point he made, is that we got too used to olympic archery, but if we take in consideration thousands of years of archery practices and even different cultures, the way fantasy archers shoot, may not be unreasonable, just look how people in Japan have an different archery, or even the traditional mongolian archery, another prime example is modern firearm shooting, in most real situations no one will use for example the standard firearm olympic position to shoot.
Shad conveniently ignored the people that followed his advice and fucked up their shoulders. But that was easily one of his tiniest offenses as a person. No, I'm much more concerned about his rampant sexism and whining about women in movies. Especially on his other channel where his alt-right bullshit is on full display. But he's a Mormon so it's hardly surprising.
Recognizing Hawkeye's draw style as the Slavic technique is mind boggling. We still need so much more backstory about Hawkeye and Black Widow, they were such good characters. Not gods or monsters just two humans being, and doing, the best they can
Hawkeye uses a Mediterranean draw, he's just a lefty. Slavic draw is where the arrow is on the same side as your draw arm with your index finger on arrow to keep it from pealing away from the bow.
Accuracy for medieval military archers like longbowman, probably not, he himself is showing an eccentric hunter or a circus archer. Obviously shooting upside down has very little intrinsic value outside of the circus.
Weren’t there tales of archers that could fire fast than any modern archers? Given how much better people made knight armor back then, I wouldn’t be surprised if the archers had their own tricks.
You inspire me so much with this. I love archery. Always have. As a person who isn't properly taught, and who can only really look to youtube, and movies for some idea of how to correctly shoot a bow that's too small for me, and arrows that have been used so much that multiple of them are snapped in half; this means a lot to me. People tell me often when I do archery that my stance, shoulders, or drawback is wrong in traditional shooting, which means at be "the only way." *sarcastic eye roll* I don't shoot traditionaly, and I'm not trying to (a lot) this video tells me that how I shoot is pedrectly fine, and there's nothing wrong with it. Especcially as a self-taught beginner. So, I thank you for this from the bottom of my heart.❤
It’s seeing things like this that make me want to get back into archery. The last time I did any was aerial target shooting 5 years ago before I joined the military. I miss it so bad, but I’m itching to do it again
They also stand with their bows drawn for a long ass time for no particular reason, just look at "The Two Towers" where the archers on the wall is told to draw their bows and then just stand there until some old dude literally get so tired he releases his arrow. This is just a waste of energy for no practical reason, in fact it's directly negative to their performance. And don't forget how many movies tell their arches to "Fire"... So yes film archery can be bad
Nor sure about others, but the actor for Katniss Everdeen (Hunger Games) literally had to be trained by a olympic archer, consistently hit bullseyes, learn parkour, learn wall climbing, et cetera, so I say its pretty real
It did bother me how unreasonably badass the bows were when the guns were worse than modern guns. I guess it "kind of" makes sense because the capitol didn’t really have enemies they were engaging in many gunfights with, so fielding better weapons and tactics mightve been deemed unnecessary in the context. The capitol is shown to be very, uhm "odd" in its decisions. I guess it kind of makes sense, but they went to such great expenditure developing weapons yet never advanved beyond simple magazine fed, repeating infantry rifles. We dont really see them doing much with guns at all aside from casually casting a few shots at pistol distance. I dont remember any dedicated handguns, shotguns, or percission rifles, no light machineguns, no battle rifles, nothing of the sort. Yet bows advanced enough to dissable low flowing aircraft are within reason. For a prideful society with dedicated warrior caste, it seems a bit odd
@kimkillillasfuq8212 I think it made sense as in the HG society, weapons were basically to show off and a symbol of status more than for supremacy. The district people didn't have guns, there were no more wars, so there wasn't really a need to develop weapons as much other than for entertainment. It's been so long so I don't remember, but I think her bow for mockingbird was custom made for the bow to actually do something and to be the rebel symbol (as in for the actual story not real life, as the op comment was about acting not HG itself)
@@kaiya7942 I suppose it kind of makes sense, but tbh, I think the writer just didn't know how to write realistic sci-fi guns so it was kept overly simplified to the point it's near immersion breaking. I did look it up out of curiosity, they literally didn't invent any guns whatsoever. They have a Jewish rifle, a French SMG, a Jewish handgun, and a German rifle. One of those guns is chambered for 45 acp which is uhhh, dated by 80s standards. It's like they get their weapons from fuckin Stargate rocking HK2000s and FN P90s
@@kimkillillasfuq8212I think the answer to this might be that killing someone with a gun wouldn't usually require years of dedicated practice. The Capitol cannot risk random people getting their hands on a weapon that is so dangerous and easy to use. They keep regular people busy with trying to stay alive, so that no one has time to practice using weapons. If the need weapon users, they make a careful desicion about who to train and make sure to keep tabs on them.
I always imagine my ranger doing different things and having fun with her bow She was taught by just some guy in town that took her in and he wasnt perfect so she woildnt be either. Somtimes she holds her bow a bit too long or is a bit too close, but she loves it (and now she even has the ability to shoot in close range so she took something she struggled with and made it a strength) I love her haha
