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Why is Liberation Theology so Controversial? 

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@chusty93
@chusty93 Год назад
Argentine here. I think it is important to mention concerning historical context that those brutal military dictatoriship that appeared during the 60's and 70's were not merely because of political unrest and economic crisis. It is widely known that it was all sponsored by the US in an effort to prevent the spread of communism from Cuba to the rest of the continent. Generals and admirals of latinamerican armies were taught on how to fight communism in the "School of Americas". During the cold war, just as the USSR was trying to install communist governments in other countries, the US was installing dictators and puppet governments that were deeply anticommunist and many times ruthless.
@brianfarley926
@brianfarley926 Год назад
Military dictatorships were directly Spread by the work of Cuba and more specifically Che Guerva who is held up as a model by Liberation theologians and others who advanced his work like Paulo Freire from Brazil whose work has had a dramatic effect not just in Latin America but his religious Marxism has taken over education here. This is why we see this Transgender movement, the part where politicians in the US like Biden declare that they are “all our children” and this garbage.
@MichaelThompson-jq3zf
@MichaelThompson-jq3zf Год назад
There seems to be an endless *tug of war* between Russia & USA. Seemingly an invisible force pulling the strings - causing conflict - here there & everywhere - East with their allies vs West with their allies - mostly.
@pseudomino3
@pseudomino3 Год назад
It’s important to remember that not only did the US sponsor Latin America’s military dictatorships, but the USSR sponsored and trained revolutionary armed groups that were constantly trying to implement communism in Latin America.
@chusty93
@chusty93 Год назад
@@pseudomino3 I know. I mentioned it in my comment: "just as the USSR was trying to install communist governments in other countries, the US was installing dictators and puppet governments". Please take the time to read the comment properly before making any remarks.
@pseudomino3
@pseudomino3 Год назад
@@chusty93 Sorry if I my comment sounded wrong. I was not disagreeing. I was just clarifying. “Other countries” can mean any other country of the world, but I was making sure others know that “those countries” were the same Latin American countries whose government were sponsored by the US. But I agree with you. I should have been more careful when writing my comment.
@BrianErnestBrown
@BrianErnestBrown Год назад
Why would there be a problem if "the poor took over the church to fix the church"?
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 Год назад
A marxist or pretend marxist(LibTheo) use the "the poor" or indeed any willing victimhood as a marketing ploy to be the leader of "the poor' The poor needs ideologues like they need a hole in the head.
@javierorejarena
@javierorejarena Год назад
As a Colombian, I can say a couple of things: First, that the military regimes and armed movements that emerged during those times were directly and indirectly sponsored by the global powers engaged in the Cold War, plunging our countries into misery and poverty. Secondly, the spirit of liberation theology has been adopted by not a few priests and leaders who sadly have not remained faithful to the Catholic Church causing great divisions and pain in our Latin American communities, but at the same time the Catholic sentiment is resurging strongly in our countries which makes uncomfortable not a few people and institutions that have taken advantage in the past of these circumstances and the division they have generated. I trust then that the Holy Spirit will enlighten our leaders and bishops so that from all of this a new vision of the Church's mission may effectively emerge that will bring about justice and salvation for our poor communities and the individuals who make up our communities. Thank you very much for this video.
@robertortiz-wilson1588
@robertortiz-wilson1588 4 месяца назад
I too pray that the righteous path will be found and many will be helped and saved, amen.
@andie_z
@andie_z Год назад
Hi, I just wanted you to know that this channel was one of the main things that converted me from atheism to Catholicism, so keep up the good work - you're changing lives!
@humberto4344
@humberto4344 Год назад
Im so happy for you! God works through everything! Welcome home!
@melissasaint3283
@melissasaint3283 Год назад
Welcome home, Andie
@Fiona2254
@Fiona2254 Год назад
Welcome here me!
@jesseredwards
@jesseredwards Год назад
Thank you for responding to the Gospel.
@13igorsm
@13igorsm 10 месяцев назад
Welcome to the club ( stay away form The theology of liberation )
@IsabellaKathryn
@IsabellaKathryn Год назад
Hi Father, because of you and other Catholic youtubers, I’m receiving my sacraments this year and finishing my second year of ccd
@darlameeks
@darlameeks 11 месяцев назад
I am a new adult convert to Catholicism. I love learning more and more about the faith, having spent almost 49 years as an active Protestant. Thank you, Father, for these videos! Liberation Theology is controversial in Protestant circles, as well. As my Christian philosophy major friend has pointed out to me in many a conversation, Liberation Theology is the Gospel filtered through Marxism, while Prosperity Theology popularized in the U.S. is the Gospel filtered through Capitalism. One is fueled by need, the other by greed...neither is entirely correct, while containing some truth. The beauty of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is it's simplicity. Through Him, we can relate to God as our Father...our provider. Jesus taught His disciples (most of them poor) to stop worrying about their material needs (which does them no good), and trust in their heavenly Father "who knows you have need of such things". He also said, "Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteous, and all of these things shall be added unto you." (Matt. 6:33) The Church teaches us to first eat of the heavenly Eucharist, and then to pray for our daily bread. My favorite prayer from Scripture is found in the book of Proverbs. It helps me to never worry about money or material things. I pray it often, and it guards my heart against both fear of lack, and greed. Proverbs 30:7 Two things I ask of you; do not deny them to me before I die: 8 Keep falsehood and lying far from me; give me neither poverty nor riches, but simply provide me with the food that I need. 9 For if I have too much, I may deny you and say, “Who is the Lord?” And if I am destitute, I may begin to steal and profane the name of my God.
@bethanyann1060
@bethanyann1060 11 месяцев назад
Well said.
@Savvycocoaconfidence
@Savvycocoaconfidence 9 месяцев назад
🖤
@robertortiz-wilson1588
@robertortiz-wilson1588 4 месяца назад
Very well put!
@robertajaycart3491
@robertajaycart3491 Год назад
The American government created a lot of the misery, that happened in Latin America trying to fight communism
@tookie36
@tookie36 Год назад
“Trying to fight communism” was propaganda when they were actually using it to expand the empire
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 Год назад
Yes. It's always somebody else's fault and not our own.
@robertajaycart3491
@robertajaycart3491 Год назад
@Jimboken1 What do you think the idea behind the Patriot Act was for? To spy on its own citizens, the United States government can't be trusted. This has also been proven the case when it to Covid, they were just outright lying to the American citizen about Covid shots.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 Год назад
​@@robertajaycart3491 Non-sequitur. And the Patriot Act is merely a soupçon of the dishonesty of the US globalist elite's dishonesty with the American people. However the US globalist elite's behaviour is not substantially different to any other western democracy. Even so, it's still a million times better than the Sandanistas and their like in South America.
@SophieRutter
@SophieRutter Месяц назад
The CIA made it there mission to destroy liberation theology and south American democracy
@boink800
@boink800 Год назад
Kerry Walters' book 'Saint Oscar Romero, Pastor, Prophet, Martyr' can provide much insight into what Father Óscar went through in the last few years of his life. Father Óscar was brutally gunned down while celebrating Mass in 1980.
@Anon.5216
@Anon.5216 Год назад
Archbishop Romero was a Bishop.
@boink800
@boink800 Год назад
@@Anon.5216 He was the Archbishop of San Salvador which meant he was the head Archbishop of El Salvador.
@hollistantang9469
@hollistantang9469 Год назад
Thank you for bringing this topic.. I personally, despite not from Latin America, could see the line between liberation theology and the Catholic Church. I don't identify liberation theology with marxism or communism, but more towards "care towards justice and the poor". But then, I disagree with the use of force... I still believe that " Liberation" should be achieved through the way Jesus taught.. Love, and justice.
@stevefugatt7075
@stevefugatt7075 Год назад
If you empower and educate the poor of the world you challenge as well as change the power structure. Those at the top of the pyramid like things the way they are....They like the power and authority. If anything is "heresy" it is the current fad of prosperity based Christianity that runs rampant through many denominations....Christ did not teach these things and yet they are taught in our churches. It is wrong. Thank you again Fr Casey for another insightful video.
@ultimateoriginalgod
@ultimateoriginalgod Год назад
Well, the poor are going to churches that teach that instead of the Church of Christ as a result of liberation theology.
@boink800
@boink800 Год назад
The Bible says that Jesus is always on the side of the poor.
@stevefugatt7075
@stevefugatt7075 Год назад
​@@ultimateoriginalgod Good point and unfortunately a true one.
@stevefugatt7075
@stevefugatt7075 Год назад
​@@boink800 Yes, Christ is.... Unfortunately many in the church are not.
@boink800
@boink800 Год назад
@@stevefugatt7075 Only one human was ever divine.
@kat1061
@kat1061 Год назад
I'm not Catholic (yet? been struggling with conversion since this past December) and I will say that liberation theology is a major area that is maintaining my interest and deepening my motivation to continue. Thank you for taking the time to talk about it.
@chissstardestroyer
@chissstardestroyer Год назад
As a serious Catholic, I can solemnly tell you here and now: stay away from any and all expressions of "liberation theology", nothing even remotely good can possibly come from it.
@tedreid1035
@tedreid1035 Год назад
@@chissstardestroyer As a serious Catholic, I can solemnly tell you here and now: I disagree and my view is 180 degrees from yours. I've worked with groups of Salvadorans and spoke with the priests living at the UCA (including Jon Sobrino) where the Jesuits and staff were murdered in 1989. When you look into the eyes and hear their words of the Salvadoran people you can understand their plight and understand how bad it gets when your own government guns down your country's Archbishop.
@renanromanov6466
@renanromanov6466 Год назад
I will pray for you conversion, my friend, but be careful as Liberation Theology is a heresy condenmed by two Popes for its materialist and marxist approach on Theology.
@renanromanov6466
@renanromanov6466 Год назад
​@@tedreid1035If you are a serious Catholic, you will pray for unity in the Church and not advocate a heresy
@pnwester2697
@pnwester2697 Год назад
@@renanromanov6466 miopic
@fernandobiasi5013
@fernandobiasi5013 Год назад
As a brazilian, I can say that while in theory it's not marxism, the reality is that it's 100% used that way. The implementation of these ideas in our churches transformed the high clergy in basically a political movement for left-wing parties, with the conference of bishops always showing affection to certain politicians. The materialistic view also appeared in full force, a expressive number of adepts to this theology treat the Church as a "community", Holy Mass as a "reunion of the assembly", and The Eucharist as a "sharing of the bread", undermining the spiritual meaning of all these concepts. This has led to a substantial increase in protestants in Brasil, the laity ran from this to non-ironically join a more Christ centered church.
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330
Yeah, and, just for disclosure to the americans, when we say liberation theology sees the Eucharist as a "sharing of the bread" and the Holy Mass as a "reunion of the assembly", we definitely don't mean it in the "Novus Ordo" kind of way you're probably thinking of, we're talking priests offering mass with NO altar, on the ground basically, offering the Eucharist on wooden vessels, doing a bit of a theatre during the mass, it's very performative and very strange, way stranger than anything a Novus Ordo mass would ever permit.
@TheFryedIScream
@TheFryedIScream Год назад
I don’t think you can seriously call neipentacostalism more Christ-centered although I’m sure they’d love ppl to believe that. the mindset of neopentacostalism is more material and in practice selfish and corrosive than liberation theology it’s just on the side of individualism and passivity and not critically thinking about what social sin is and what it demands of us. it’s not as if they don’t encourage being aggressive political warriors in the political arena it’s just that it supports a Different ideology/agenda in practice. Frankly, liberation theology isn’t so comfortable to enact because it demands a radical change in how the world works that isn’t to the benefit of the rich or those envious of the rich. i’m sure the allure and simplistic nature of the “prosperity gospel” explains some of the change as well as a failure of the Church and Brazil’s institutions to make people feel like their needs were being addressed somehow, or a failure to address racism properly, of allowing vacuums to exist in certain communities, but this take doesn’t seem entirely accurate or fair to put it all on the marixsm of liberation theology as if that’s the problem or as if it’s realistic to demand perfection in practice from the get go. im sure it wasn’t helpful that the Church worldwide was so indifferent or even actively hostile to it and left it to flail. Neopentacostalism doesn’t need to find its sea legs, it’s perfectly happy with business as usual economically in my experience.
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330
@@TheFryedIScream Well then, what is it good for if it hasn't helped us economically? Isn't that the entire purpose of liberation theology? To help lift the poor from poverty? It hasn't and it won't, because it's not spiritually sound and because it is not engaging to the faithful, therefore it won't bear any fruit, because it is a failed theology.
@sem_identitificador
@sem_identitificador Год назад
Discordo completamente. Primeiramente, tudo que você descreveu como sendo resultado da Teologia da Libertação pode muito bem ser explicado pelas mudanças causadas do Concilio do Vaticano 2°, e mais, o que atrai fiéis para igrejas evangélicas é justamente o senso de comunidade dessas congregações e esse senso de comunidade criado pelas igrejas evangélicas não pode ser replicado pela Igreja Católica, porque está intrinsicamente associado ao estilo de liturgia praticado por eles (que é completamente herético) e a figura do pastor que é geralmente uma pessoa carismática da própria comunidade e, portanto, consegue entender e manipular os fiéis da congregação. Pra concluir, o aumento da adesão a denominações protestantes não está relacionado a procura pelos fiéis de uma igreja mais "centrada em Cristo", muito pelo contrário, os fiéis estão em busca de uma igreja "menos cristã", inclusive com elementos de outras crenças na liturgia (existem estudos descrevendo praticas de religiões de matriz africana sendo usadas na liturgia de certas igrejas neopentecostais, por exemplo).
@exerciserelax8719
@exerciserelax8719 Год назад
Thank you for sharing your perspective.
@emmamcclellan8272
@emmamcclellan8272 Год назад
I wasn't introduced to liberation theology until college, where it was presented uncritically by my professor. I think videos like this are necessary & can inspire people to dig deeper into the theology itself & criticisms against it.
@jakecarter9920
@jakecarter9920 Год назад
Agreed. Many college courses can give cursory introductions to these sorts of movements but rarely if ever do the professors have time to really dig deeper into the specific nuts and bolts of any of them.
@andre0baskin
@andre0baskin Год назад
I'm curious because I too studied Liberation Theology when I was in college. Our reading list was the actual books written by Liberation Theologians and critiques of those works. From there we were asked to formulate our own opinions. While the professor make his views known, agreement was not required.
@brianfarley926
@brianfarley926 Год назад
It’s religious Marxism
@jaypino1735
@jaypino1735 10 месяцев назад
I think sometimes what is missed in these explanations is the dynamic that these communities who we’re experiencing extreme poverty and violent oppression from their governments developed a theological system of understanding based on that experience. Then they were being criticized by Catholic leadership that was largely centred in areas of the world who were experiencing prosperity and privilege. It’s easier to say that we shouldn’t spiritualized the need for material things when all of our material needs are already being met. There is a difference between a criticizing a prosperity gospel which emphasizes wealth and a liberation theology which is fighting for people to have their basic needs met. There is a reason so many Marxist movements were popping up in Latin America at the time. It’s because the wealthy were crushing the average person. Why would they buy in to the benefits of that kind of economic system? I will agree that Marxist likely did try and take advantage of the situation. But it’s no different than the way capitalist try to attach them selves to evangelicals in North America. Faith based movements always need to guard themselves from being manipulated by politicians. But I don’t think this in any way discredits the truth of liberation theology.
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330 24 дня назад
No, this theology was crafted in seminaries and academic places, it didn't exactly spring up from the people themselves, for example, the major proponents of liberation theology in Brazil, are either religious or clergy, the most infamous being the ex-friar Leonardo Boff, who wrote a whole lot about this theology and made a pretty good living giving speeches in universities, he left the religious life because he couldn't resist nailing his secret concubine, another is friar Betto, who suffered under the dictatorship, but what he has of religious and of friar in him is very little, he's a curious case of a semi-friar, a mind boggling case of a professed religious that doesn't have any specific convent, doesn't observe his vows, and doesn't wear any habit!!! Although he did at some point profess the vows, and is supposedly still a member of the dominicans, very strange... but what can you expect from a friar who loved to talk with Fidel and admired the Soviet Union, and from a disobedient hierarchy that doesn't punish such anomalies.
@ignatiusjackson235
@ignatiusjackson235 13 дней назад
​​​​​@@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330 Oh, no. Scholars are discussing the poor? How dare they! Are they even Christian?!? 😂 This Just In: *EVERY* theology was crafted in seminaries and academic places; from the Temple in ancient Jerusalem to the Jesuit universities. This petty accusation of yours doesn't doesn't harm liberation theology any more than it does the work of Augustine of Hippo or St. Thomas Aquinas.
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330 13 дней назад
@@ignatiusjackson235 Yeah, I'm sure a theology coming from a heretical and married ex-friar and from another heterodox friar that was a fan of Fidel Castro's dictatorship is totally fine!
@ignatiusjackson235
@ignatiusjackson235 13 дней назад
@@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330 Gustavo Gutierrez was none of those things, and he "invented" liberation theology. You have no point to make, so you rely on a stiff dose of reactionary fear-mongering. It's not as impressive as you think it is.
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330 13 дней назад
@@ignatiusjackson235 They're nothing more than heretics and pretentious political activists.
@arsenicrice9990
@arsenicrice9990 Год назад
Benedict did a great job in the service of JP2 diving into liberation theology and sifting the necessity of the preferential option for the poor and oppressed from the secular Marxists. Also love St. Oscar Romero as a model for the ideal liberation theology. Confronting the ruling class of El Salvador that was abusing the poorest while at the same time condemning the communist revolutionaries that sought to use the poor as a means to seize material power.
@clara2768
@clara2768 11 месяцев назад
And what exactly did they do for the poor?
@arsenicrice9990
@arsenicrice9990 11 месяцев назад
@@clara2768 What did Oscar Romero and Pope Benedict do for the poor? You’re aware of the largest charity and alms giving organization that feeds the hungry, shelters the homeless, and otherwise cares for the poor in the entire world right? The Catholic Church
@vincentfernandez7328
@vincentfernandez7328 Месяц назад
JP2 didn’t understood at all liberation theology. As he came from a communist country he thought what was happening in South America it was just the same thing. It wasnt
@frankrault3190
@frankrault3190 Год назад
Way too many Catholics turn the blind eye to St. Pauls words on love: Whatever great quality you may have, without love you're only an empty vessel. When you consider the silent and lasting cry for God's help by the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo, you know that so many Catholics prefer juntas above the love of Christ, having no clue whatsoever about love as was brought and shown and taught by Jesus.
@MolyBDenum-lh3wy
@MolyBDenum-lh3wy Год назад
What’s happened to your other channel, Upon Friar Review? Can you please inform the viewers about what’s going on? As a regular viewers of both channels, I’m missing the reaction videos and Fr. Patrick.
@thechampvc
@thechampvc Год назад
Now that you've done a video on Liberation Theology will you do one on Distributism?
@phuongchinguyen8388
@phuongchinguyen8388 Год назад
Father Casey, Jesus grew up with the similar oppressive Roman culture. They wanted Him to be a revolutionary leader. He lived and taught and died for the Kingdom of Heaven instead. Am I to understand you are okay with and encourage world/lived experiences to Word? If I misunderstand your meaning, please clarify. Because based on actual Brazilian faithfuls' lived experiences shared here of what happened to our Church and liturgy - well our battles here in the USA are different BUT still the same spiritual warfare... WORD to world is the ONLY way to go, yes?
@xrisc131
@xrisc131 Год назад
I’ve had firsthand experience with Liberation Theology from Mexico and this podcast is an excellent and well-balanced assessment.
@drewaskins8377
@drewaskins8377 Год назад
Thank you for the video, father. The way some Christians stand opposed to social reform makes me wonder if they've read the Letter of St James. You make a good point that our main focus should be on Heaven, but scripture makes it clear we are supposed to also promote the physical wellbeing of people on Earth.
@xhantimarubelela5589
@xhantimarubelela5589 Год назад
I needed something like this. I've had a lot of questions on how Liberation Theology has been handled currently, and this video basically speaks out my sentiments. While I appreciate the essential message of Liberation Theology, I am particularly concerned with the way it is used to focus more on the flourishing of the material world to the point of disregarding the spiritual needs of the human race, even getting towards the danger of politicising Christ as some form of revolutionary against the political structures of his time when all He did was to initiate the Kingdom of God. Its concerning how at times Liberation Theologans label Christ's sacrifice at Calvary as a "political tragedy" rather than more of an act of love for our salvation. Your video has helped to conscientise us on the limits established whenever making theological opinions that need not be ignored.
@fluidthought42
@fluidthought42 24 дня назад
Matthew 10:34
@danielteixeira4205
@danielteixeira4205 Год назад
I don't know how easy it is for you to get access to these essays, but there are two good essays from Clodovis Boff (Leonardo's brother) regarding the Liberation Theology method and its deficiencies. What is most strking is that Clodovis is one of the main theologians behind the method's conception. His criticisms against Liberation Theology are reasonable, afirming what he regards are its strong and weak points, not that cultural marxism moontalk we hear so much nowadays. My personal experience with liberation theology's pastoral concerns is not good. More often than not, it makes remarks that disturb the religious experience. For example, in 2018, the Brazilian Campanha da Fraternidade's subject was the Environment, so it considered appropriate to use the Way of the Cross as a good occasion to convey it's message. I don't remember the exact words, but at the 12th Station CF's text said something like: "as our lord died on the cross, let us remember the environment that we kill by our greed". I'm not saying the Environment is not a catholic concern, because it is part of the Social Doctrine, but it's almost insensitive to use the Via Sacra this bluntly. Also, I Think that many times the social causes leave no room for the existential or mystical aspects of the faith. E.g., in Brazil, june is a public month for environmental causes. A Bishop from Bahia used his social media extensively to bring light to the "green month", but, until now, he posted nothing whatsoever regarding the Sacred Heart of Jesus. It's really hard to defend a Theology whose pastoral concerns disregards so explicitly catholic devotion, "almost" taking the Church of Christ as an ESG NGO.
@alexiscolladosolis4257
@alexiscolladosolis4257 11 месяцев назад
I'll give my perspective as a Nicaraguan. The reason why many here find Liberation Theology so controversial is because in practice it actually led to an attempt by the marxist sandinistas to co-opt the Church. While the sandinistas tried to create Commities for the Defense of Sandinismo and create a parallel church, they actively persecuted and harassed dissenting clergy. What is worse, some "religious" personalities lent their credence to such people, like Ernesto Cardenal, a priest who was ceased of his ministry by St. John Paul II due to becoming minister of culture, a position in which he pushed for secularization of the Church. Because of this sort of association with an authoritarian, atheist and failed political project, many are distraught by Liberation Theology, and considering that the default Social Doctrine of the Church already addresses the sort of issues which supposedly are of the concern of the former, it seems at least to me that it's redundant at best and potentially heretic at worst
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 11 месяцев назад
aka infiltration: the long march through the institutuions
@haroldeugenio5430
@haroldeugenio5430 Год назад
Thank you, Father, for explaining this topic to me. I gained many things from this. It seems that if you explain things especially complicated theological issues, it becomes easier to grasp with examples and you give insights but still we can remain faithful and obedient Catholics. Pax et Bonum!
@renanromanov6466
@renanromanov6466 Год назад
As a Brazilian that has met many Priests and Bishops from TL (Liberation Theology), some even being my cousins, I can atest to the damage that this thought is doing the Church inside out. The way they put themselves sometimes ignores totally spiritual needs and some even deny the existence of miracles. Leonard Boff was punished by Church, btw, as was Frei Beto. Some weren't because they had political influence on the Holy See such as Dom Helder Câmara and Gutierrez. The CEBs (base church comunities) in Brazil literally fought for over 20 years for a socialist party to take power here, but socialism is a heresy condemned by Pope Pius IX. And so is Liberation Theology, both John Paul II and Benedict XVI did condemn it.
@carolynkimberly4021
@carolynkimberly4021 Год назад
Now look at Latin America. Once Catholic, it's now losing to Evangelicals.
@reintaler6355
@reintaler6355 Год назад
A) it's not at all unique to Latin America B) it's not inherently relevant to this video
@zanderlukas1248
@zanderlukas1248 Год назад
It too will run aground
@MontwizyAFK
@MontwizyAFK Месяц назад
Let’s not bring evangelicals into this as a other can of worms 🥴
@unsealedlemon3947
@unsealedlemon3947 2 дня назад
​@reintaler6355 true, but the reason why so mant latin Americans are leaving the church is unique and is relevant to the video.
@carolynkimberly4021
@carolynkimberly4021 Год назад
Sounds like the rogue Synod on Synodality.
@taxdaddyclt
@taxdaddyclt Год назад
The fundamental issue with Liberation Theology, as with its country cousin Progressive Christianity, is that it replaces Jesus with politics. A clear understand of the historical context will tell you that Jesus never talks about gaining political power, or even changing current political systems. In fact, when the Apostles asked him when the Kingdom (meaning a politically free Israel) would be established, Jesus responds by saying "my Kingdom is not of this world". In the same vein you get people who say Jesus was a socialist because he tells people to help the poor. The problem is that 1. Socialism as we know it was not a thing in the 1st Century AD/CE, and 2. Jesus says you (meaning the individual) help the poor...He does not say "give all your money to the Roman government so they can redistribute it". I am in complete agreement that the Church has a mission to help the poor, to assist people in bettering their lives (both spiritually and physically), and to help them live more like Jesus. In fact, must of the modern welfare state arose precisely because the Church defaulted on its calling to help the poor. What the Church is absolutely not called to do is to dabble in earthly political concerns. Individual christians can and should participate in the political process, but that is wholly different from any established denomination attempting to preach a specific political position from the pulpit.
@msgjr
@msgjr Год назад
Best comment yet. Thank you.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 Год назад
Modernists see your ilk as a mortal danger to be extirpated. Well done!
@clara2768
@clara2768 11 месяцев назад
And yet It happens every day
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330 11 месяцев назад
True, if Christ wanted to be a revolutionary, he'd have joined the zealots, I think we all know what happened to Israel, because of its revolutionary position against the roman empire.
@SophieRutter
@SophieRutter Месяц назад
'Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh" “The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.”Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of heaven! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven." The only time Jesus gets really angry is when he knocking the tables over because he is pissed that are making money in a temple !
@zeeskar9198
@zeeskar9198 Год назад
All this has done is destroy the belief of the true presence of Christ thru the Eucharist when the Church became a place for motivational speeches and not for the Holy Sacrifice.
@alexanderangelo7284
@alexanderangelo7284 Год назад
Thank You for finally making a video on Liberation Theology!!
@danielwidyanto5142
@danielwidyanto5142 11 месяцев назад
I wish there's Indonesian translation for this, coz I believe there's a lot of priests from the east Indonesia that are preaching this, but more about wealth, and distributing wealth rather than the true wealth that Jesus offered.
@daviswiggin4425
@daviswiggin4425 Год назад
A great, even handed approach.
@Francisco-bm7gg
@Francisco-bm7gg Год назад
Tenho algumas observações: 1. Historicamente não foram "alguns" indivíduos da Igreja que aderiram à essa teologia. Ela foi muito influente, particulamente nos lugares que você citou, América do Sul e Central. 2. Não é um mero ponto de vista. A Igreja deixou sim os fiéis ao longo dos séculos livres para expressarem seus pensamentos e pontos de visto, mas até o ponto de essas ideias não comprometerem a unidade da própria Igreja e a mensagem evangélica. 3. No caso da teologia da libertação, fica claro as extrapolações, por isso é justa a preocupação de alguns fiéis. Ela pode parecer justa em alguns pontos, mas oque a história da Igreja nos ensina é que as heresias nunca estão 100% erradas, sempre há algo de razoável misturado ao errado. Uma boa comparação é uma única gota de veneno mortal jogada em um balde de água potável. 4. O fato de Papas e outros clérigos manterem um diálogo com adeptos disso, não quer dizer que seu (adeptos TL) proceder seja correto ou que estejam em amizade com a Igreja. Doutrina todos devemos obedecer, mas opiniões pessoais, mesmo de Papas, não. 5. Não é preciso fazer muito esforço para ver os frutos disso. Um desastre pastoral, e este que vos diz vê esses frutos no próprio país, o Brasil. As críticas não são de males que PODEM acontecer, mas já aconteceram. Quem é daqui sabe do que eu estou falando, não vou expor publicamente.
@renanromanov6466
@renanromanov6466 Год назад
Exatamente, irmão. Por isso, recomendo sempre orar tanto pelo fim da heresia da Teologia da Libertação como fim da heresia moderna, cujos frutos vemos hoje destruindo a Igreja de dentro para fora.
@Nicius-
@Nicius- Год назад
Isso ai, Teologia da libertação é um heresia e cresceu, um dos maiores propagandistas é a CNBB.
@vecturhoff7502
@vecturhoff7502 Год назад
O maior problema é a ligação muito grande com um lado politico, da mesma forma que os evangélicos tem problemas exagerando seu apoio a direita a chegar em um nível fanático, a TL e o atual catolicismo graças a TL também pode sofrer com uma ligação exclusiva com a esquerda, e já está sofrendo.
@gracek8859
@gracek8859 Год назад
Is Upon Friar Review ever going to come back?
@douglascollier7767
@douglascollier7767 Год назад
Thank you very much for this explanation. I have a better understanding of this issue now. Peace and blessings always Fr. Casey.
@supergastonh
@supergastonh Год назад
One does not reach heaven by lifting their feet from the ground
@mathanmor
@mathanmor Год назад
But as the Mystical Body of Christ, we can follow the way of the Lord towards The Promised Land/The Kingdom of God. "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven" (The Biblical arc towards restoritive justice, particularly for the poor, rejected and disenfranchised.) PaX
@supergastonh
@supergastonh Год назад
@@mathanmor You can make the will of the Father on Earth as it is in Heaven by isolating yourself from the reality of this world (Earth)?
@mathanmor
@mathanmor Год назад
@@supergastonh No. The opposite. By sharing, having concern for those in need and suffering, where Christ is present. Experiencing our human family as the branches of one vine. Holding love for the poor, rejected and disenfranchised ..
@supergastonh
@supergastonh Год назад
@@mathanmor thats in the meaning of my quote
@mathanmor
@mathanmor Год назад
@@supergastonh Sorry if I've misinterpreted you. I thought you meant we can't organise our communities in the way Jesus teaches and Christ reveals. With "The Biblical arc towards restoritive justice, particularly for the poor, rejected and disenfranchised" not being worthy. PaX
@lenniedavis1294
@lenniedavis1294 Год назад
I came here to ask what happened to Upon Friar Review? Why hasn't there been a new video in 3 months? Just wondering? I hope Father Pat is okay?
@sylvieb623
@sylvieb623 Год назад
Thank you for this balanced explanation!🙏💒✝️
@cuppajavaplease
@cuppajavaplease Год назад
Thank you for your broad-mindedness. I am trying to work my way through the Church's position on this, having always seen liberation theology as a positive thing. I think it comes down to the tension between taking a position on a social issue and then trying to actually bring forth good fruit from it. The outcome can tell us much about the soundness and practical application of what we believe.
@angelmacas1774
@angelmacas1774 Год назад
Louisa the problem on the ground where these things come to bear fruit is how quickly and masterfully the Marxist movement in Latin America took a hold of this with laypeople groups. There is no room for broad mindedness with this evil Theology. I was part of that process. It's hugely important to realize that for a 14-20 year old teenager who loves Christ, who wants to fight for the poor, the disenfranchised, how quickly you can be moved from social justice (which is questionable as part of the Gospel) to "society needs to be changed to protect the poor" to Christ is and always was revolutionary to the final move, the youth needs to fight against the powers of the day by taking up arms. For us from the distance and comfort of our homes thousands of miles away it appears to be an exercise in theological discussion, for Latin America, it means young men and women going up and taking arms, dying, disappearing, in the name of Liberation Theology.
@phuongchinguyen8388
@phuongchinguyen8388 Год назад
We don't have to go far! That's happening with us here in the USA too... abortion, promiscuous lifestyles, pride, etc. Different battle but still the same spiritual warfare for souls and ID as the rightful Heir of God's Kingdom!!!! REPENT, pray, fast, console the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart, put Jesus and the Holy Eucharist front and center, live a sacramental life, etc. soooo much to do and to atone for... WORD to world always, as Jesus modeled!!
@josee.1308
@josee.1308 Год назад
​@@angelmacas1774 Wow, that's a very good explanation.
@brianfarley926
@brianfarley926 Год назад
Liberation theology at its root is Marxists. Perhaps read, The Marxification of Education by Dr. Lindsey
@cuppajavaplease
@cuppajavaplease 11 месяцев назад
@@angelmacas1774 Thank you for your response. It has helped me to understand the Church's position. Since it is the nature of evil to subvert good ideas and destroy lives, that sounds like what has happened in trying to support Liberation Theology. Again, thank you.
@patrickkeyes5916
@patrickkeyes5916 9 месяцев назад
This is so helpful, balanced and caring. Thank you so much.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 9 месяцев назад
Leftists are super caring.
@danielwey
@danielwey 11 месяцев назад
As someone who grew up in Brazil in 70s and 80s, I have first-hand experience with the influence of Liberation Theology over the church in the country. It was terrible. Basically, the usual teaching I had from catechists and priests was only focused on political issues and revolutionary thoughts. For instance, while I learned too many times about the injustices of the politicians and how we should build the kingdom of heaven on earth, which basically means, by their description, implementing Cuba`s political ways (Fidel and Che were presented as role models for the society), I never learned that the Eucharist is the real presence of Christ or that Mary was a virgin her whole life - by the way, preaching the basic catechism were seen and antiquated and should be suppressed by a more modern approach that would lead us to confrontation with the government. The liberation theology was so present in seminaries, catholic schools, and catholic universities that it took me 20 years to meet a priest that finally taught me that the Euchatist is the real presence of Christ, or that all peoples could go to heaven, not only the poor. What I present here is my personal experience. I saw that and lived that. It was devastating for the church and for a country that was proud to call itself "the most catholic country in the world". The liberation theology was the reason about 95% of the country declared themselves as Catholics in the 70s and now it is about 50%.
@GunControlHelpsCriminals
@GunControlHelpsCriminals 10 месяцев назад
Vatican 2 has killed the church. Accepting the jews marxists and muslims is an obvious heresy. Ditch that, and ditch “papal infallibility” from Vatican One. Stand to one side and ask yourself, why should I join a church that accepts pagans and heretics as worshipping the same God? And then, why believe a church that gives an elected man the silly idea of “infallibility” that previous popes never claimed. Isn’t it obviously heretical?
@lucas953
@lucas953 11 месяцев назад
Preserve tradition, God doesn't change, embrace the sinner but hate the sin.
@wendyposh7714
@wendyposh7714 Месяц назад
I was born in LA at the end of Jim Crow laws and never saw the Confederate flag until I was in my teens. Joan Baez's song was the meaning The Night They Drove Dixie Down was Written during the Vietnam War to identify with the Vietnamese and the US pounding them to rid of Communists. I remember an interview I saw of women about the same time in the Deep South the premise was General Sherman's advance was on the right side of history. Warning him She said you will get into trouble talking that way. She did not disagree or dispute it.
@paulmitchell2916
@paulmitchell2916 8 месяцев назад
There are a number of Catholic Content providers on YT (could easily name names, but won't) who openly or implicitly present current US conservative positions as necessarily Christian. Those warnings about liberation theology are something they need to take a good look at.. What was apropos of the Left back then is just as apropos of the Right now, in the US at least.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 8 месяцев назад
You're full of it. Name any political conservative American with a quote to show he/she "openly or implicitly present current US conservative positions as necessarily Christian"
@paulmitchell2916
@paulmitchell2916 8 месяцев назад
@@Jimboken1 Well how bout you? What do you say about the relation between Christian faith and American political conservatism?
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 8 месяцев назад
@@paulmitchell2916 Lol. I'm not the person who bore false witness here. Back up your nasty slur.
@paulmitchell2916
@paulmitchell2916 8 месяцев назад
since you call what I said a slur, I guess you agree that identifying Christianity with political conservatism would be wrong.. so great.. @@Jimboken1
@Pau.aguiza
@Pau.aguiza Год назад
I'm Chilean, and would consider myself part of liberation theology. I'm no theologian, so you're allowed to take this with a grain of salt. I agree with everything the father says here, cause it's just the historical facts about why Liberation Theology was and is controversial. Although I wanted to add something from my point of view. I think it's a mistake to say that, because we're reading scripture from the perspective of the poor, it's a worldly way of reading it. I think scripture was MEANT to be read from the perspective of the poor, the outcastes by the world. It's like when they say "The Church has the voice of a woman", they're not trying to outcast men, right? Scripture is meant to be interpreted, not taken literally, at least not most of it. And interpreting from the perspective of the poor and the oppressed is good, as long as you don't deny the foundations of the faith. Cause the foundations of our faith should not, and do not, go against caring for the outcasts. Does that make sense? 😅
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 Год назад
Pope JohnPaul l: "I think that the Magisterium of the Church will never sufficiently insist in presenting and recommending the solution of the great problems of freedom, justice, peace, development; and Catholic laity will never fight sufficiently to solve these problems. It is wrong, on the other hand, to state that political, economic and social liberation coincides with salvation in Jesus Christ, that the Regnum Dei is identified with the Regnum hominis, that Ubi Lenin ibi Jerusalem."
@Pau.aguiza
@Pau.aguiza 11 месяцев назад
@@Jimboken1 This doesn't really go agaisnt what i said... Edit: let me explain. Salvation in Christ is what should matter to us christians the most. But a bit part of being a christian is fighting agaisnt evil and sin with good actions. Suffering and opression are a consecuense of those things, so kt makes sense for us christians to try to reduce it. Which doesn't (or at least souldn't) mean that we will put earthly things above heavenly ones, our mission is still to proclaim the good news. Did i explain myself better? 😅 It's ok if you still don't agree tho. Blessing to you anyways! 🥰
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 11 месяцев назад
@@Pau.aguiza Motherhood statements that the vast majority happily agree with it isn't Liberation Theology and isn't a logical rationale for Liberation Theology. Liberation Theology isn't a theology. It's an ideology. Sweet smiling Pope JohnPaul l's quote in his 30 days of leadership does , in fact, "go against" what you wrote.
@Pau.aguiza
@Pau.aguiza 11 месяцев назад
@@Jimboken1 I can agree that the Pope Jhon ll may go agaisnt what i said, but i don't have to agree with everything the Pope believes when it's not related to faith (or at least doesn't really go agaisnt it). Anyways, may God bless you and your loved ones.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 11 месяцев назад
@@Pau.aguiza So you now recant and acknowledge that Pope JohnPaul l directly rebuts your original comment. That's good. But you don't think what he said was about faith and so you don't agree with him. It is about faith but you can, of course, disagree with him or anyone else. So you therefore believe: "Where Lenin is, there is Jerusalem". That is what you are saying. No offence intended just clarity.
@militemus77
@militemus77 Год назад
Thanks from Brazil, here. Beautiful speech!
@profekeith221
@profekeith221 11 месяцев назад
This is a most cautious defense of liberation theology. It leaves out the racism and classism that permeates much of the opposition to this theology. The United States was amidst the Cold War and was supporting and arming these governments that were oppressing the people of Latin America. Most critics of liberation theology have full bellies and white privilege and take issue with brown people voicing any opinion. It's notable, and I very much appreciate that Fr. Casey pointed out, that the criticism is mostly taking issue with possibilities, not actualities. I very much hope to see a Breaking In The Habit video on the false gospel of prosperity that mostly affluent white Americans are using to justify their wealth.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 11 месяцев назад
A Catholic theologian or a leftist: "The United States was amidst the Cold War and was supporting and arming these governments that were oppressing the people of Latin America." Sooo difficult. There's so much ambiguity. Let's listen in our hearts to both sides of this debate.........
@unsealedlemon3947
@unsealedlemon3947 2 дня назад
Some of the most vocal critics of liberation theology are the faithful who live in these oppressed countries. Not to mention the untold millions of ex-catholics this heresy has produced.
@viniciusoliveira7022
@viniciusoliveira7022 11 месяцев назад
In Brazil we still have consequences in a lot of parishes of the strong wave of liberation theology in the end of 20th century(a lot of liturgical abuses and heresy)
@taliquetaylor8039
@taliquetaylor8039 Год назад
Liberation theologian here. Would love to see this channel have cross conversations with liberation theologians in the RCC. I’m not Catholic but would love to see that dialogue in a church as significant as significant as the RCC
@c.m.cordero1772
@c.m.cordero1772 Год назад
Can we have an actual liberation theologian on?
@estebanmoeller
@estebanmoeller Год назад
A liberation THEOLOGY can be beautiful, the problem can be some tenets and pastoral praxis. The two CDF doc.s of '82 & '86 mentioned by father are signed by Ratzinger and are well worth reading
@jesseredwards
@jesseredwards Год назад
This is the first time I've heard A. the roots of Liberation Theology and B. an unbiased take on the whole thing. Usually one can't even bring it up without people on both sides getting super combative. Thank you for making this video, and God bless you work you're doing.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 Год назад
How do you know it was unbiased?
@pdballerina
@pdballerina 9 месяцев назад
Liberation Theology sounds more like liberal progressivism than Marxism.. but sometimes the lines between the are blurred.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 9 месяцев назад
Central control isn't really "blurred". Progressivism, fascism and communism end up in the same place. The CCP would actually be more accurately entitled The Fascist Party of China for instance. Pope Francis probably isn't a communist but let's not split the difference.
@Sanchez.Basado
@Sanchez.Basado 8 месяцев назад
Liberal progressivism is more postmodern, Marxism isn’t. Liberal progressivism also doesn’t address material necessity, more so just “representation”, if you know what I mean. I think they’re very different, along with Marxism being based on class lines, and liberal progressivism being based on Identity lines
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 8 месяцев назад
@@Sanchez.Basado "I think they’re very different" Really? What are the real world differences?
@themobbit9061
@themobbit9061 Год назад
Thank you. That was informative and important to understand 🙏🏼
@ambbarofficial
@ambbarofficial Год назад
I was catechized under the Liberation Theology in Chile in the 80s. Even as a little boy preparing myself for my First Communion in my Parish I was never convinced of anything that this ideology teaches, especially its reductionist interpretation of the sermon of the mount as "preferential option for the poor" understood as mere economic problem. For me Liberation Theology was always the opposite to the universal call to salvation in the Gospel. To some church leaders poor people were simply cannon fodder for their political agendas.
@jakecarter9920
@jakecarter9920 Год назад
We are commanded by God to serve and minister to the poor. That said, exegesis is the only valid way to approach the Bible, not eisegesis. I don't doubt the integrity of Father Gutiérrez specifically, and I am glad for the positive outcomes the movement has achieved. However, not everyone is either trustworthy or formally trained in theological doctrine. You can make the Bible say anything you want if you start with an interpretation you WANT and then look for verses to cherry-pick, cut, and twist to fit whatever message you are going for. Even Liberation Theology could have easily led to violence that got out of hand similarly to how the French Revolution did if lay people who took it up interpreted its values more radically than the priests who originally started it. When we start with a human motivation, we *might* get positive results, but all too often we humans are going to twist that motivation into something that is less effective than a Holy Spirit-led endeavor at best, and at worst, something that is outright harmful to everyone involved.
@thekingslady1
@thekingslady1 Год назад
@@jovenintensa The Catholic-supported system of government is Monarchy.
@NameName-vk2mb
@NameName-vk2mb Год назад
Lol
@EM-ok8gc
@EM-ok8gc Год назад
I am from Latino America. Father, isn't Jesus's human condition a sign of the importance of material conditions? Isn't Paul VI's definition of integral development specific about the relevance of attending conditions of life for a more dignified life? I understand what Liberation Theology reminds us is that living a complete life, with love and solidarity, is what brings us closer to God. Because God is Love; love for your neighbor, for your family, for the earth. We follow Jesus example by helping others and in the process brining us closer to them.
@jameysimpson1184
@jameysimpson1184 Год назад
Great video Father! I look forward to all of them.
@xadrach
@xadrach Год назад
I've stopped being libertarian when I started seeing Marxist ideology steamroller through everything and libertarians having the audacity to ask "leave them alone it doesn't concern you and they're not hurting anyone"
@falnica
@falnica 11 месяцев назад
In what country are libertarians fine with Marxism?
@shekelgangiv3411
@shekelgangiv3411 11 месяцев назад
seeing Rome be more supportive of theology teaching that man effectively predicates God than being able to do Tridentine Mass is disappointing to say the least.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 Год назад
Pope JohnPaul l: "I think that the Magisterium of the Church will never sufficiently insist in presenting and recommending the solution of the great problems of freedom, justice, peace, development; and Catholic laity will never fight sufficiently to solve these problems. It is wrong, on the other hand, to state that political, economic and social liberation coincides with salvation in Jesus Christ, that the Regnum Dei is identified with the Regnum hominis, that Ubi Lenin ibi Jerusalem."
@javiervonsydow
@javiervonsydow Год назад
Excellent explanation, father! Thank you very much for sharing it with us, helping us understand.❤
@parati1309
@parati1309 Год назад
Brother can you make a video about Dorothy Day?
@EvertonRG90
@EvertonRG90 Год назад
I'm Brazilian. In Brazil, liberation theology is 100% marxist based, they act like a an socialism wing inside the church, whith huge revolutionary agenda. In my city, the liberation theology churches have poor liturgical masses, they do "afro mass", "country mass" and so on... Once one LT priest refused to give me eucharistic while I was on my knees. I had to stand up... In Holy Week, during the staging of the Cross, while Jesus was being flogged, a young trans man was placed with a poster in LGBT+ colors, saying that they are persecuted. Yes, during the Via Crucis... Liberation Theology is crap, It is a wound within the church, I'm 100% sure of that.
@clara2768
@clara2768 11 месяцев назад
And by that you mean you aré unwilling to share the power and the wealth. People can only take so much.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 11 месяцев назад
@@clara2768 It's always a choice never an absolute. On that basis you are nuts and Everton is sane.
@danielwey
@danielwey 11 месяцев назад
I'm Brazilian as well, and lived through the 70s and 80s in Brazil. I saw how Liberation Theology treid to destroy the catholic church from inside. It was terrible, and its influence is still strong.
@qunituabastard1754
@qunituabastard1754 10 месяцев назад
@@danielwey now that's good
@RD-qn4gt
@RD-qn4gt 10 месяцев назад
Yes, and like I said in another comment, but I will say this again: Father said around the 20th century in Latin America this started right? Well...lets read what the apparitions from Mother Mary said In the 16th century to Sr. Mariana de Jesus Torres (ALL CATHOLIC APPROVED). Mother Mary said: "“At the end of the nineteenth century and throughout a great part of the twentieth century, many HERESIES will be propagated in THESE LANDS" and you might ask what LANDS? CHILLING...CHECK IT OUT.....Our lady appeared to her at Sr. Mariana de Jesus Torres Convent based in Quito, Ecuador!! Latin America! Any devoted Catholic / Christian who loves the truth will have no doubt beyond this point. Who will have an issue beyond this point? Those who accept compromise, and who we warned about who would help destroy the church from within. See what she said next: “Unhappy times will come wherein those who should fearlessly defend the rights of the Church will instead, blinded despite the light, give their hand to the Church’s enemies and do their bidding. But when [evil] seems triumphant and when authority abuses its power, committing all manner of injustice and oppressing the weak, their ruin shall be near. They will fall and crash to the ground."
@joaopedroribeiro5849
@joaopedroribeiro5849 10 месяцев назад
As as Brazilian 21 yo, who went to a Catholic school, I can say that Liberation Theology has infected many schools, parishes, etc here. They dont focous on teaching us about Jesus being God, instead they focoused in teaching about Him like He was some sort of philosofer who only told people to love each other and thats all, no more, no repenting your sins, no confessions, just love each other (even loving your sins). This is part of the reason Catholicism has declined so much.
@renanromanov6466
@renanromanov6466 9 месяцев назад
Totalmente, João. A Teologia da Libertação é uma grande heresia que devemos erradicar com oração e com a mudança daquilo que podemos mudar. Não adianta de nada reclamar na internet e não agir na vida real e concreta. Também estudei num colégio de freiras e lá fui ensinado as mais horripilantes heresias. Jesus, para mim, se existisse, seria um mero filósofo. Eles não queriam ofender ninguém. Ao mesmo tempo, quando quiseram agradar a Deus, ofenderam a Deus. Estranha ironia, quanto mais agradamos ao mundo, menos a Deus. Pena que esse Padre do vídeo não falou que a TL é uma heresia e ele curtiu vários comentários falando positivamente da TL. Um abraço, irmão.
@Caesar_Americanus
@Caesar_Americanus Год назад
One problem with the world as a whole is that Ideology has replaced theology and not just for Catholics but especially true for America and the West.
@adorablebelle
@adorablebelle Год назад
Thanks so much for explaining this!
@nathanngumi8467
@nathanngumi8467 Год назад
A good exposition of LT in a nutshell. Curious, though, that there was no mention of public figures like St. Oscar Romero and movements like Catholic Action which had to grapple with LT.
@clara2768
@clara2768 11 месяцев назад
And catholic action Is right wing fascism but that jueves well with the church, so no wrist slapping there.
@sh0eh0rn4
@sh0eh0rn4 Год назад
thank you for sharing this balanced viewpoint. while it will be unpopular in this comment section for me to support the underlying message of lib theology, I am going to anyway. I’m watching prosperity gospel and Christian Nationalism rise in my country and I think it is scarier than this. I’d rather sin on the left wing then the right.
@pajarothebird9842
@pajarothebird9842 Год назад
Same here, and I also appreciated his viewpoint. The status quo is daily violence against the poor, and anyone who things otherwise has not come to understand wage theft or has not been in a poor hospital. Our God will invert all worldly power, and when we see him face to face the inherent worth will all people will be known. For we all share one bread, one cup.
@thesilenttreatment6837
@thesilenttreatment6837 Год назад
"I'd rather sin on the left wing than the right." True!
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330
You should prefer not to sin, did you know that there is the "Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church" which has been made by the Vatican? If you're interested in political engagement, read that instead of liberation theology writings.
@thesilenttreatment6837
@thesilenttreatment6837 Год назад
@@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330 right-wings dont care bout that either
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330
@@thesilenttreatment6837 ? I don't understand your point.
@victoralexandrinus
@victoralexandrinus Год назад
I'm Brazilian! Great vídeo.
@admeister8
@admeister8 11 месяцев назад
A question that keeps coming to me relating to this is: how much is too much in terms of allowing different perspectives? Grey areas are too blazé, I’m looking for more clarity.
@cyberwil08
@cyberwil08 Год назад
You are a good man Father, a person whom can speak the truth. I learned a lot, from this video. Thank you!
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 11 месяцев назад
How do you know he can speak the truth? I suspect little more than he provides a gloss to your politics but I'm willing to learn.
@clara2768
@clara2768 11 месяцев назад
He speak from the comfort of the US.
@stuartjones3001
@stuartjones3001 Год назад
Excellent and informative
@jhardwick1969
@jhardwick1969 Год назад
A fair and balanced examination of this subject. My wife was born and raised in El Salvador and lived through the civil war. I am very familiar with the controversy surrounding this subject in Latin America and Father Casey is very fair in his assessment in the video. 👍
@John-jh9ud
@John-jh9ud 7 месяцев назад
We overlook the fact that God has given man their agency, in other words this world will always involve hate and oppression etc.. also, you don't set aside being perfected in Christ to focus on "liberation" from a fallen world. Personal conversion and sanctification has always been the goal, regardless of wealth or whether or not you're a victim or "oppressor" etc..
@PatrickKniesler
@PatrickKniesler 7 месяцев назад
Hold up. The world cannot lead us to know God. If you meant our reflection on worldly experience in the light of faith can lead us to understand God's Will and trust in His mercy, then maybe. But the way you said it is absolutely wrong and misleading.
@Dabhach1
@Dabhach1 Год назад
Very diplomatic Father. Was there also some obscure figure in Christian history who said something about the poor always being with us? Then there's the question of the so-called "relative poor", the new favourite child of the enlightened, middle-class left. Any liberationist take on them?
@carolynkimberly4021
@carolynkimberly4021 Год назад
Excellent retort!
@CountCristianWaters
@CountCristianWaters 9 месяцев назад
The 10 kings, mentioned in the Book of Revelation, are the past Roman emperors of that time period. The previous deducted, analyzed and interpreted by St. Augustine in 'City of God: Against the Pagans' (413 A D ) several years after the synod of Hippo canonized the Book of Revelation in 393 A.D.!
@parati1309
@parati1309 Год назад
Paulo Freire but also Ivan Illich was involved but he was more of an anarchist than Paulo a socialist . Ivan was excommunicated by bishop ratzinger at the time but ignored him and carried on taking mass and dedicating his life to God.
@AntonAchondoa
@AntonAchondoa Год назад
A rather fair and balanced take. I think it is worth considering Matthew 25, as addressing the material needs of our neighbor matters greatly in the final analysis.
@locochingadero
@locochingadero 11 месяцев назад
This was a lovely and thoughtful video, thanks. My follow up question: what is the responsibility of the Christian and Franciscan who lives in a colonial/imperial power whose influence in the developing world continues to undermine peace, prosperity, and stability. How does this Christian's politics appear to the citizens of his/her own country?
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 11 месяцев назад
You are q political activist. Nothing more.
@thiagogramos5137
@thiagogramos5137 11 месяцев назад
As a Brazilian, I need to speak from the pespective of my life experience. Here, Liberation Theology had basicly destroyed the church in many places here in Brazil, including many carholic school, in my school for exemple we were encorouge to let a faith be purely personal, that everybody was hgoing to heaven anyway, and that we should enjoy our earthly lives engaging in parties and non marriage sexual activity. And that our only source of concern would be the social justice moviment and economic unequality. I am sorry to say this father, but for me, my friends, and even many teachers, our catholic formation had become basicaly spiritualized marxism, and many of us to abandon the faith. Since, whats the point of keep beliving in Jesus once everything that is important ins here on earth and can be perfecly described by materialistic thinkers (they were cited quite often). It is a true modern heresy that has plagued latin america, before we had material needs, but now we have also desperate spiritual needs.
@Sanchez.Basado
@Sanchez.Basado 8 месяцев назад
After living in the US for so long, with it’s late stage capitalism, hedonistic individualism, and secularism. I can say that Catholic liberation theology and Marxist analysis is a necessity. I’m also Hispanic so I would prefer us to have sovereignty over ourselves and no interventionism and imperialism from the west. It’s needed to fight against universalist international liberalism
@GuitarBloodlines
@GuitarBloodlines 8 месяцев назад
"I can say that Catholic liberation theology and Marxist analysis is a necessity" not only is it not a necessity, it's against the Church itself
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 8 месяцев назад
Sounds like liberty is your problem. Of course torturing language so that up is down and down up is mainstream leftism. 'Liberation' theology indeed! Sounds so much better than marxist theology, doesn't it?
@Francisco-bm7gg
@Francisco-bm7gg Год назад
I have some observations: 1. Historically, there have not been "some" individuals in the Church who have adhered to this theology. It was very influential, particularly in the places you mentioned, South and Central America. 2. Not a mere point of view. The Church has indeed left the faithful throughout the centuries free to express their thoughts and points of view, but to the extent that these ideas do not compromise the unity of the Church itself and the evangelical message. 3. In the case of liberation theology, the extrapolations are clear, which is why the concern of some believers is justifiable. It may seem fair in some points, but what Church history teaches us is that heresies are never 100% wrong, there is always something reasonable mixed with wrong. A good comparison is a single drop of deadly poison dropped into a bucket of drinking water. 4. The fact that Popes and other clerics maintain a dialogue with supporters of this does not mean that their (LT supporters) behavior is correct or that they are in friendship with the Church. Doctrine we must all obey, but personal opinions, even of Popes, no. 5. It doesn't take much effort to see the fruits of it. A pastoral disaster, and this one who tells you sees these fruits in his own country, Brazil. The criticisms are not of evils that CAN happen, but have already happened. Anyone from here knows what I'm talking about, I won't expose it publicly.
@stevenking6129
@stevenking6129 Год назад
Liberation theology is the single thing that keeps drawing me back into even considering returning the Roman Catholic Church.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 Год назад
Stay with liberation theology. It's where marxists who pretend a theology other than marxism go. What true marxist needs a messiah other than Marx/Engels/Lenin/Guevara/Castro?
@monistadio
@monistadio Год назад
You are heretic
@bruno-bnvm
@bruno-bnvm 11 месяцев назад
You live in south America? Only some priest ascribe to it.
@stevenking6129
@stevenking6129 11 месяцев назад
@@bruno-bnvm Liberation Theology is not confined to any continent. Is Reformed theology confined to Europe?
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330 11 месяцев назад
Have you read the "Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church" by the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace? It's the best body of work for us politically engaged Catholics nowadays, I personally have it on my shelf and recommend everyone to have it too, it's much needed in our times.
@SwissOnZ
@SwissOnZ Год назад
Grateful - again what a balancing act.
@daniken4734
@daniken4734 Год назад
When the Latin American bishops gathered together, drafted the document known as the Puebla Document, they sent it to the almost recently elected Pope John Paul II, reaffirming that the Latin American Church makes a "Preferential Option for the poor." John Paul II forces them to add: "We make a preferential option for the poor, neither exclusive nor discriminatory." Already at that moment, abuse was beginning to be seen and felt in the "liberating" readings of reality. Time will tell if the contribution of Liberation Theology has been more positive than negative. What is undoubtedly changed the life of the Church. I personally believe that Theology can be taken from the perspective that God speaks to us through reality and calls us to embrace it and change it. For something we are salt in the mass and Light of the nations. On the other hand, today we are experiencing a constant temptation and push for groups within the Church that on the one hand turn many laymen, priests and nuns into mere "social workers" and on the other groups that react to that logic and try to lock us up in the parishes with beautiful Liturgies, avoiding "contamination". I believe in the search for balance and I believe in a Church immersed in Reality, with its gaze on the Risen One, beautifully celebrating the Civilization of Love that John Paul II preached.
@Stephen8601
@Stephen8601 Год назад
So, going on what you said, "reading into the Scripture," that's commonly known as eisegesis. I thought I'd just toss that bit in. So, God love you heaps, and bless you oodles.
@benporter4155
@benporter4155 Год назад
I wonder about your thoughts on Marixism being a form of the Gnostic Haresy from the middle ages.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 Год назад
Yes. Gnostics were the dealers of opium in the Early Church.
@alphacause
@alphacause Год назад
Thank you Father Casey for this explanation of Liberation Theology. It was quite accessible. Before this video, I never understood the objection to Liberation Theology, given that its emphasis on the poor and marginalized seems to be in agreement with Jesus' admonishments to his followers to treat those who are impoverished and otherwise treated as outcasts with the utmost care, as if they were caring for Jesus himself (Matthew 25:37-40). Your video goes a long way to clarifying things.
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330
The objection comes from us latin americans, we've noticed that this theology has spread here at the cost and to the detriment of the liturgy, orthodoxy, and catechesis, so, maybe it just hasn't been perfected yet, as a theological position, or it is poisonous from the get-go, so be careful when approaching liberation theology, if it leads you to heterodoxy, disregard for the spiritual and the sacred, stop immediately, your theology shouldn't be putting your soul in danger of damnation.
@msgjr
@msgjr Год назад
@@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330 Was just about to make a comment along these lines. It starts with caring for the poor to sell the art of spiritual praxis (theory put into action) and then molds to become political praxis. This theology is ideology as a siren song.
@EvertonRG90
@EvertonRG90 Год назад
In Brazil, liberation theology is 100% marxism agenda. They love more the political revolucionary agenda than the catholic church itself.
@markhardin1429
@markhardin1429 11 месяцев назад
I am inspired by this as someone with a background in the New Thought clergy, who left that movement because of its emphasis on money gospel and belief in The Just World Fallacy, resulting in a love affair with victim blaming. But I did love its rejection of Biblical literalism. The lens suggested here, that of the poor, is beautiful and pure. I feel deeply touched. I am going to find out more about Liberation Theology. Might a find a teaching of universal salvation in the Church? It’s in the Bible, or would that be “Biblicism” to expect just because there’s a verse about it?
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 11 месяцев назад
Start with Marx and Engels. The pretense falls away.
@markhardin1429
@markhardin1429 11 месяцев назад
@@Jimboken1 The video addresses Marxism, and the proletariat replacing Jesus. That’s not going to happen in the Church. However, I wondered a little when it was said “we have a problem” if the poor decide to fix the institutionalized church. If the church needs fixing, that’s the problem. Not the people who notice it needs fixing. And plenty of people have noticed.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 11 месяцев назад
@@markhardin1429 John 4:4 "You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God." Every pope since Leo except for Francis has said and written that socialism is incompatible with christianity. Popes JohnPaul ll and Benedict have said Liberation theology isn't a theology but an ideology and is marxism in disguise. Caring for the poor is our job as christians not a totalitarian state however well intentioned the state leadership believes themselves to be. Pope JohnPaul l: "I think that the Magisterium of the Church will never sufficiently insist in presenting and recommending the solution of the great problems of freedom, justice, peace, development; and Catholic laity will never fight sufficiently to solve these problems. It is wrong, on the other hand, to state that political, economic and social liberation coincides with salvation in Jesus Christ, that the Regnum Dei is identified with the Regnum hominis, that Ubi Lenin ibi Jerusalem."
@markhardin1429
@markhardin1429 11 месяцев назад
@@Jimboken1 I’m not Catholic, and I certainly don’t believe in papal infallibility, so I’m not sure I care what any pope ever says, given their track record of atrocities (not recent). I can see why the hierarchy is afraid of this theology. It probably ought to be. I disagree that it is the job of any church to care for the poor. It is the job of the state. But it’s not happening, and the churches have to do it until the state assumes its responsibility. As for socialism being incompatible with Christianity, Jesus was a communist. That’s not the same as a socialist, I realize. The community of James in Jerusalem was a commune. That poor couple in the Bible was supposedly struck by lightning for keeping some possessions from the community. The Church served the kings all through the Middle Ages. That’s incompatible with Christianity, in my book. The Bible is clear in its preference for the poor. Kings be damned.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 11 месяцев назад
@@markhardin1429 Of course you're not. Like pretty much all 'Liberation theologians'
@chuck1728
@chuck1728 Год назад
A good even-tempered explanation of Liberation Theology. I believe Pope Francis extols the teaching of Liberation Theology while avoiding the name like the plague. That is fine.
@tookie36
@tookie36 Год назад
Advocating for the poor gets you in trouble. I would say “these days”… but it’s been like this for centuries
@authoranulal
@authoranulal Год назад
Great video
@Hermothersdaughter665
@Hermothersdaughter665 9 месяцев назад
I think liberation theology is making a comeback. More and more of us who were born into Christianity and feel very disillusioned with the evangelical movement are finding Jesus again through Liberation theology. Liberation theology has helped me find the real Jesus again.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 9 месяцев назад
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@John-jh9ud
@John-jh9ud 7 месяцев назад
Personal repentance is now "oppressive"
@user-eu8gr6jv8p
@user-eu8gr6jv8p Год назад
Father Casey, congrats on your Anniversary of Ordination from Indonesia. Keep shining; may your service be always like a tree planted by the water whose leaves are always green. We're proud of you.
@lukebrown5395
@lukebrown5395 Год назад
Let’s be honest Marxism isn’t close to be a Christian theology,
@francispiche4177
@francispiche4177 Год назад
Disagree.
@ludofranciscan
@ludofranciscan Год назад
Very good and fair view.
@ochem123
@ochem123 Год назад
4:18 The Church didn’t need a “new model of theology.” You cannot start with the world to find God. You start with God to understand the world. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The Word came before the world. God bless you all ❤
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