Part of MagnaCuts rise in popularity is the name. A great steel, sure, but the name is super easy to remember, especially for people who aren't steel nerds. No alphanumeric nonsense here, just a catchy branded name.
Exactly why Blu-Ray took off over HD-DVD. Marketing 101 - catchy, easy to spell name. (Now every one calm down, I'm not saying Magnacut doesn't deserve praise, just agreeing that the name helps.) Have a great day.
@@wattsmichaele it depends on what you want. Maxamet would be the wrong choice in many applications, but it is super wear resistant, so better than magnacut in other applications. What makes magnacut special that it has a similar toughness vs abrasion resistance balance as tool steels, but with added excellent corrosion resistance.
@@wattsmichaele I don´t know what you are doing with your pocket knife but I would love to sharpen mine here and there instead of having my blade broken.
@@wattsmichaele It depends on the intended use of the knife. Maxamet can also be a very brittle steel for harder use. Magncut maintains a better overall balance of the three desireable characteristics.
Spyderco may have may been the first to announce a production knife with MagnaCut, but it took them a loooong time to get those models to market, and in the meantime Hogue released several models of the Deka in MagnaCut that you could actually buy.
Spyderco typically are extremely picky when it comes to releasing full production knives with new steel. They have one of the best, if not the best heat treat specs in the industry. This being said, MagnaCut hasn't really offered anything drastically better than other premium steels. Vanax, Elmax, S45VN, S90V, M390, S110V etc MagnaCut is more hype than anything. It's a great premium steel, don't get me wrong. But the hype would have people believe it's the greatest steel ever produced in a knife. I'd take 15V over them all personally lol
I've been saying this for a few years now. Instead of a crappy 3 finger grip just make a longer blade. The 3.75 range is nearly gone. 3.5 and is starting to be considered large when it is medium. 3 is some how being considered large. I blame the Bugout and mini craze.
Blame sales. Knife companies produce what sells to a broad market. For the last several years its been small knives. It's starting to swing back towards larger knives, I believe.
Younger buyers want knives that look cool, basically light use play around knives. RU-vid brokies try to make a living by purchasing and reviewing the same cheap $50 disposable knives as everyone else.
Warning on the Kershaw offerings. I picked up a Kershaw in "M390" thinking it was a steal, and I'm sorry but it does not perform like M390. It performs much closer to S30V and 154CM. I've resharpened it on a fixed angle sharpener, and it didn't take long before it needed to be sharpened again. Combine that with some other major design flaws like free spinning chicago screws. I kinda decided to steer clear of Kershaw in the future.
I have to say I had similar experience with Kershaw's heat treatment. Years ago I purchased 110V Shallot. However it was so soft, I had better cutting performance form my AUS6 CRKT :( Was sooo disapointed. Kershaw makes briliant fit and finish knives, but the heat treat is weak. For such a steel and expensive knife, you require it to perform.
Just ordered the red lava g10 magnacut hogue deka from y’all last week. I love it and had a great experience. It literally arrived in 2 days. Will definitely recommend and keep buying from knife center!
A steel that excels in all 3 pillars of a great knife steel! I feel like the best way to compete with the steel is to try to make it on a knife that has as low a price as possible!
I have the native 5 magnacut. It’s an awesome knife but you definitely need lube in the pivot since it doesn’t have washers. Dyed the scales green, looks so good
@@HighlanderNorth1 I used rit dye off Amazon. It’s the all purpose dye. Specifically I used the dark green. Magnacut is an amazing steel balancing toughness, corrosion resistance, and edge retention in a really nice way. My favorite steel. Because this model is the salt version I recommend putting a lot of 10wt nano oil in the pivot since it doesn’t have actual washers. Makes the action a lot better. Love the knife.
CPM Magnacut is the LOWEST Chromium stainless steel EVER. At 10.7% Cr it is lower than D2 (which is not exactly stainless). It can get away with it because, unlike just about every other stainless steel, none of the chromium is used to form chromium carbide. Instead the chromium is out competed by the Vanadium and Niobium, so there is more of it left in non-carbide form (which is what resists rusting) in Magnacut than many steals with 14 or 17% chromium. As a purely Vanadium and Niobium carbide steel, it also has an extremely fine grain structure compared to every other stainless steel making it easy to work with and sharpen to a fine edge. The only thing being that Vanadium and Niobium Carbides are harder than Aluminum Oxide which is what most waterstones are made of whereas chronium carbides are not. This means that it can take longer to sharpen than other stainless steels on Japanese water stones, but no more than vanadium carbon steels of similar hardness.
Not sure what the obsession is with japanese whetstones in a world of high carbide steels. Diamond stones are less messy, more convenient, and cut faster. The atoma diamond plates from Japan are where it's at. I admit that nothing feels nicer to sharpen on than a nice whetstone, but the water, mess, and inability to sharpen high carbide steels optimally drives me away.
@jabokd574 Well, the problem is that most people buying knives don't know that Magnacut wouldn't sharpen easily on waterstones or oil stones. And, that's also what most people already have. You cannot say that the requirements that you recognize its need for, and actually buy, new sharpening gear is not on some level an issue.
@@dwightlooi The knife costs as much as 3 atoma diamond plates, and you only need 1 plate realistically. 2 if you want to be fancy and take it to 1200 grit before honing further on conventional whetstones if desired.
Please don't over estimate the true properties of Magnacut. It's good but it's not a miracle. While its toughness is good enough for most uses, in reality it's mid-range and not exceptional. For hard impact I would strongly recommend 3V, Cruwear or even good ol' 1095 over Magnacut. When chopping with axes/hatchets you want fairly obtuse edge angles (30-40 deg) and max focus on edge stability which pushes Magnacut out of its comfort zone. Have a great day.
@@spitchgrizwald6198 Fully agree. I think 80CrV2 is very much underrated and under-appreciated as a bush/field knife steel. Maybe if we change its name to Wondersteel it might get some more love? Take care.
Have wanted to add a Leek to the collection since buying one for my daughter some time ago. Glad I waited. I took delivery of the Magnacut (blue fade) version last week. Beautiful and functional knife.
I've never seen or held a Leek in person, but looking at it in online images, it looks as if it may be thin and "delicate". Am I wrong about that? I hope I am.
@@HighlanderNorth1 I guess it depends on your definition of delicate. It's no Cold Steel SR1 to be sure, but I wouldn't call it delicate. If you're unsure, maybe order one from a place that offers free returns. Then, if you like it, but want the Magnacut, you can return that one, and order from TKC.
If I'm not mistaken I read they are supposed to do a magnacut manix lw for the salt series. If so I gotta have one. The manix is my favorite Spyderco model and in a lw in magnacut it will be the perfect lake knife for me.
I also have the Bradford Gaurdian 3.2 in magnacut, it is a great tool. I cut steaks and lots of other food items, and do some small carving tasks with my knife.
I’m interested in Magnacut but there’s not many manufacturers that will list their target hardness. It seems that magnacut can be hardened anywhere from 59 to 68 hrc. I’d be an interested buyer at the higher hardness levels but I can’t see paying for this steel without knowing…
I have pretty much been a S30V-35VN guy for years. I didn't buy into the whizbang newer stuff just from a standpoint of familiarity. But, I have to admit, I tried magnacut and it is pretty much everything I need and have sort of moved to it as my new go to.
Yes. It seems all the knife folks talk about it, like they talked about D2 steel 10 years ago. I have knives that have been round for decades; I have no idea what the steel is. But, they gotta sell knives everyday.
I just purchased a Bark River Bushcrafter Scout with CPM-MAGNACUT! It has matte black linen micarta and hollow brass pins. It cost around $240, but is definitely worth it. Its a beautiful knife with what i assume is amazing steel. I havent had much time to use it yet
Just got my Hogue Deka Knife Center exclusive with the red gmascus scales and CPM Magnacut blade and it is freaking SWEeeEEEEeEEeeT. Smooth action, super sharp blade, and the scales are awesome. Love the G10
Just ordered my very first Dekka, which coincidentally just happens to be my first magnacut blade. Thanks Knife Center and your Hogue sale. I cannot wait to get my new knife, just don't tell my wife.
You'd think a guy with two wives would be happy. Nah you're thinking of a guy with TWO KNIVES Moe *holding two knives*: Yeah, I gotta tell ya, this is pretty terrific! hahahah
I found that lower end steels like D2, VG10 and even AUS 8 (lower end) as long as you clean them after use they won't rust. I have yet to see D2 and VG10 rust with normal EDC use. VG10 is incredibly strong steel.
I have a couple of knives in D2, and one of them DID rust on the spine of the point. It took a bit to get it off, but it’s good now. In D2, I prefer a stone wash, bead blast or coated blade.
Yes. The Native 5 Salt is of the best edc knives. Especially if you will be wearing gloves because the Spydie hole and back lock can be operated one handed. I love mine.
If you're considering a Dekka, get the G10 version. The polymer version functions fine but feels cheesy. The difference is night and day. The G10 Dekka is a fantastic knife. The only negative is the thumb studs and the studs on the crossbar lock are a bit sharp.
The studs are toothy, but I like them and think it's maybe a conscious trade off of comfort for traction. I find they work better than the studs on my other folder with gloves or when my hands are sweaty. Barehanded, I don't really notice the sharpness in normal use---only when I'm playing with the knife incessantly. Granted, that happens sometimes too.
@tiltskillet7085 Agreed 100 percent. I'm sure they made it that way on purpose so you can depend on having good grip when opening and closing the knife.
Magnacut is the Way! I would like to hear the hrc of each of the models presented. I understand that Magnacut retains high toughness at higher hrc numbers and 63 to 64 is the sweet spot. If anyone knows anything more about this, i would love to hear about it. I have an all black Deka clip point in Magnacut. The action has steadily improved making the knife very fidgety without any bladeplay whatsoever. And it has one of the finest factory edges I've experienced. Its not quite centered and there is some play in the scales but i dont care; it cuts like a dream and disappears in the pocket. I'll get some other scales down the road. As for Spyderco, lean into Magnacut harder! Ive got a fever and i need more Magnacut.
I love my deka in magnacut, and I got a bark River mini gunny in magnacut and I love that one too. Magnacut has performed awesome for me, it’s been extremely tough and held a great edge.
@@acid6urns yeah I know spiderco is great but I really dont like their signature blade shape, same with deka, im looking to buy viper knives vale with magnacut blade right now as its the same price point but they are out of stock
Just bought the Hogue Deka Magnacut with the exclusive g-mascus scale along with the *"Slightly Larger Than Average"* Morale Patch, just so I remember DCA when I use it.
Love these videos...... Dave and the knife centre guys just have the perfect presenting style. Question? What's the perfect steel and handle material combination for both fixed and folding knives?
I really hope we get a Paramilitary 2 and Para 3 in Magnacut soon. I lost my knife at a damn airport and need a new one soon. But I really want Magnacut.
I had been wanting a Hogue Deka for a while and eventually got it, however like a few of the knives I've used or collected over time, it ended up being smaller than I imagined which of course seems pretty disappointing as I am not always looking for a gentleman's or smaller knife, the same as a big or huge knife doesn't always fit the bill either (perhaps like the Acta Non Verba of this video). I think medium is good. I had myself suggested to Hogue, but I think they would take more heed from such a well informed & organized knife seller company like The Knife Center. Also sounds like the Magna-Cut will be an outstanding steel for knife users and the industry as well. Great video, Thanks!
Personal experience. Moderate. Note sure how others rate it but I find it similar to S30V or S35VN. Takes a little bit of time but responds well. I recommend using diamonds but it can be done with good stones. Depending on geometry & heat treat will easily take 16 degree edges. Difficult to recommend a starting grit as it depends on how bad the edge is. However, unless you've trashed your edge starting at 600 grit (diamond) should be ok. I have found that it responds quite well to stropping but again I recommend diamond paste. Will take a polished edge without too much effort. Hope this helps. Have a great day.
I had to wait for my Hogue Deka about a month and a half, but I finally got it. I like it a lot. Action is very smooth, I actually like the glass fiber reinforced nylon injection molded scales - they make the knife very pocketable and lightweight. I'm sure the Kershaw is a good contender but it is going to be a little heavier. It came shaving sharp out of the box, with nice even bevel equal on both sides. Fantastic knife. One drawback though. If you have beefy hands and flick it closed with the handle more angled to your palm you can cut your palm. If Hogue made this with 3.5" blade, this wouldn't have been a problem. This is a design of 3.5" to begin with, and it feels a little scaled down. I also have the Ontario 6200 SPL Pack Knife and I love it. It came with some issues - bevel was not even, small scratches here and there, not enough polishing on the handle part of the tang, useless notch on the handle opposite of the lock retainer clip, but the more I carry it, the more I love it - it is the perfect size to carry, can be carried belt, leg, arm, pocket, wherever. Blade is great, holds an edge forever, not chippy, heat treatment was right on point, good rust resistance, comfortable and ergonomic. It's a whole lotta knife for the money.
Just bought both the large and small Sebenza 31 in magnacut and I've got to say, well worth the money. I highly recommend y'all spring for them. Both with the macassar ebony inlays and they are beautiful.
Question: why are there no swords in the knife industry? I understand that having high spec's on this side specifically made it where it's at but there are also money to be made in the arms side of the industry.
there are many sword makers. But there usually isn't too much overlap. The best steels for swords are different than the best steels for knives. The tools you need for making swords are often much bigger.
I buy knives based on design, lock type and handle material. Blade steel matters very little. I have Ozark Trail knives with butter knife steel, and they work just fine. 14c28n and D2 really are exceptional steels.
I wish premium knives were available with less than premium steels. A Benchmade whatever with AEB-L would be fantastic. AUS-8, hell yeah. 440c, take my money.
Kershaw - make these in Manuals for godsake. Spyderco…more models in Magnacut. We know the proper hrc, Dr. Thomas literally lays it out. Lastly, David and Thomas….I didn’t want to say this but my god your doing great guys ! TEAM DAMAS : knife presenters of the decade. But seriously, Kershaw it’s the current year. Assisted ?
@@jean-baptistedemets3477 well uhhh, if I answer that, I'll be telling you something you can look up yourself. Don't actually need to look at knife articles - just look up the actual steel itself. I did.
The egde retention of the houge deka in magnacut is blasphemy yet superb, however a spyderco para 3 lightweight in magnacut would make my dreams come true
I have a few of these models. I'd personally recommend against the ANV A100 with my experience. It's handles are squishier than the Bugout and Deka due to less reinforcement structure, and it has thicker bladestock that exacerbates the issue. It pinches my fingers somethin' fierce if I put more than a lackadaisical amount of grip on the handle. It might be possible to change the clip side, but it requires basically a full teardown of the knife (crossbar lock knives are much more difficult to put back together than others). As for nitpicks, the thumbstud is only on one side, and the screw stripped instantly when I tried to take it off, so it's there permanently on the left side. And lastly, the steel on mine feels softer than other Magnacut I have. I'd guess a hardness of 58-60 HRC which is OK for a lot of powder steels, but that's leaving a lot of performance on the table for Magnacut as 64 HRC needs to be the target. I don't want to be only negative though. The Launch 15 is done really well. Kershaw seems to do a great job heat treating their high end steels. Both their Magnacut and CPM-20CV have been great from my experience. The micarta inlays are as flush as can be. The KC exclusive Deka has also been great. It's the newer design with much less screws, and Hogue has improved their hardness for Magnacut from their first foray into the steel. The G10 handles feel much more rigid than the injection molded ones, and it's just an all around great knife, if just a touch small for my preference. The Protech Malibu also uses Magnacut for some releases these days, and that's fantastic as well. It's over the $200 price tag so it's not on the list, but they have probably the best detent feeling of any button locks on the market. And finally, I adore my Bradford Guardian 5.5. It's done exceptionally well and isn't wildly expensive for what you're getting. Again though, a bit above that $200 ceiling for the video. I hope, but not hopeful, that there isn't a glut of mediocre blades made from the steel when the market for it opens all the way. I believe Crucible doesn't currently offer some steels for asian export, S45VN and Magnacut being among them. If/when that opens though (or other foundries offer equivalents), I imagine the race to the bottom will happen, just like what happened with M390. There'll most likely be decent stuff from standards with reputation (We, Kizer, Artisan and the like), but there'll also be a lot that are purposefully heat treated softer to save machining time and/or skimping/foregoing cryo treatment so carbide formation isn't up to snuff. Ya know, all the 'invisible' stuff that requires testing and experience to determine.
nah the native is hands down the best currently just bc of sheer heat treat, the deka is good but i hear it has a bit soft of a HT. i also have a viper vale that i honestly love
Hey DCA, i really love the new Kershaw dividend, but I'm not really a fan of the assisted opening. Is it possible to remove a spring and make it a manual??? Has anyone done this to any other knives before?
After opening another kershaw speedsafe knife to clean it I can tell you it's just one spring and you can remove it but it is was gives tension to keep it closed as well as flick it open. So it would be a really slippy slip joint if you did that.
@@DampActionRCthe blur can be deassisted and works well as a manual however the dividend doesnt have the needed detent hole like the blur to keep the blade closed without the torsion spring bar.
Really like my Deka but I have the polymer scales and am looking to upgrade them? Who sells aftermarket scales for this knife. I’ve only seen aluminum scales but would love the gmascus, micarta, or carbon fiber
@@realbroggo on dtltrading there's a line if mini gunny magnacut, I want to pull the trigger but I've heard that their heat treatment was that good and had some rust issues
I don't agree, that it has the performance of Vanadis 4 Extra. (not even close) Vanadis 4 Extra has noticably more edge retention (wear resistance) AND more toughness. Only atribute that Magnacut is better at, is on rust resistance. I much prefer Vanadis 4 Extra, sharpens easier holds longer and much better= better outdoors steel (fixed blades) Magnacut good for folders edc knives,food prep etc.
A small batch of the plain edge went out in June, to people who preordered from the major internet retailers up to a year ago. Otherwise, its been out of stock everywhere. I wonder what model batches have been a bigger priority in Golden, as there's a lot of pent up demand and Spyderco loyalists looking over the fence at the Hogue Deka and now Kershaw models. I'll hold out, as I really want something for my sweat soaked pockets.
In edge retention Magnacut is only as good as CPM 4V or CPM S35V or even like the budget D2. If you need a real edge retention champ you need to go for Maxamet or CPM S90V.
