I wish I lived in a place where you could ride a bike... I have to drive at least 20 minutes on a highway to get to anywhere with a large store or activities.
This is like how I saw a video where an old woman with Alzhemier's was able to play old piano pieces from when she was a child and able to link this to some of her memories as a child.
I play trivia once a week to keep my 73 year old brain active. It's a team effort, multiple choice, answer quickly deal. I wonder why sometimes I'll know an answer, but have no idea WHY I know the answer.
A quote from David Mitchell "If I knew how I knew everything I knew, I'd only be able to know half as much, because it'd all be clogged up with where I know it from."
This is why when I teach people how to do stuff on the computer, I never touch the keyboard. I make my student make the movements as I tell them, perhaps pointing to a key or 2, but never making the movement myself. It is the pupil who will work with the computer, not me. A number of times someone has quickly done the movements on the keyboard for me and I've said, "Wait, what'd you do?"
Another factor is that "learning to ride a bike" isn't just about learning a motor skill. It's also about building the confidence to maintain a speed sufficient for the gyroscopic effect to keep you upright.
I'd say is more about learning how to balance. If you go from a bicycle to motor bike you use the same sense of balance even though the vehicles are different.
Implicit memories are neat, realising people remember the feeling of something before their Hippo-ampus was developed so that even their first weeks of being alive can be remembered in some manner.
I went without riding a bike for a few years and pretty well completely forgot how to when I tried again. (My sense of balance was better, so I was less wobbly, but I also crashed into things pretty bad.)
Frankie Bedek Same! I thought I was the only one. I didn’t bike for about a decade, and when I tried again, I swerved around as badly as a little kid without training wheels, and it took a while before I could confidently go in a straight line or through narrower spaces. I’m still nervous about taking one hand off the handle bars to learn hand signals!
Many of the sequences I use for the Rubik's Cube are now muscle memories. Once I see the piece I want to move, I can look away and watch a video until I have to look for the next piece.
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What is even stranger to me, is that i still "forget" how to ride a bike. I mean, i've been doing mountain biking for almost 15 years now. It's a unique skill to be able to ride on rough terrain without slowing down too much. However, if for some reason i don't ride off-road for a while (few weeks), it takes a good half an hour or even more to refresh the skills. Of course, the basic riding skills are there, the fluid movement is what missing at first. The same thing with parkour. I can do vaults easily without thinking after hundreds and thousands of repetitions, yet if i have to stop because of an injury, i still have to re-teach myself for the motion. It takes just a few jumps and my body starts to remember, but these more advanced stuff seem to be fading away easier than the basics. Yet, they're still there even after a very long time. Our body is amazing.
Kinda also explains why you might remember where to go when you've not been there for years... Since I'm in the adoptee community, too, we often talk about half baked memories which either have only one sensation point (like touch, feel, sound smell), or just a strong emotional attachment, but science hasn't quite caught up to us yet, so we often don't share outside of our community. (*sarcasm* thank you Elizabeth Loftus for shaming us). For me, at least in exploring these half-baked memories, the starting point seems to be a strong emotion. Then followed by a strong sensation or a routine. And then other sensations get pulled along with it.
What's interesting about my personal experience with learning how to ride a bicycle was that I spent about a few months attempting to learn, but could not figure out how to balance properly and would fall frequently. I eventually gave up and did not attempt to ride a bicycle until a year or more later where when I got on my bicycle it was as if I never had issues at all. I've seen similar "delayed learning" in other individuals where someone was able to get (exceptionally) better at Guitar Hero after not playing for an extended period of time.
When I was a kid growing up in Chicago, I climbed a lot of trees, some not on our property. I left Chicago when I was 13 (1967), and I never had a reason to re-examine the trees I was familiar with. However, about 45 years after I left, I looked up my old address on Google Maps. I was surprised to discover I still remembered the procedure to climb the trees. You put your foot in a particular V, and then swing your body up and around - and so on. Apparently, humans keep climbing procedure knowledge for decades.
I'm glad that, in my experience, playing musical instruments is like this. It would be very sad to lose those skills while I'm focusing on other things, but it doesn't seem to be happening.
I do that too. Completely forgot my school password but since I've* typed it so many times I just rely on my motor memory to bring me to the right keys
@@irrelevance3859 I've had the police called on me for that very reason. I got home one day, and suddenly realized that I hadn't actually remembered what the passcode for the home security system was; I had just memorized the motion of the typing the whole time. Once I was self aware of that, I compeltely forgot what the passcode was. I stood there like an idiot while the alarm went off.
Wel, you must be English then. Down here, if the keyboard in front of you happened to be AZERTY instead of QWERTY (yes, both kinds of keyboard are in use here, and we often switch between them), your motor memory would be fucked.
Idk, but I read once that the language you speak has a lot to do with how you use your tongue. Ex. English speakers most often rest their tongues at the roofs of their mouths, while Spanish speakers rest their tongues at the bottoms of their mouths.
Absolutely! Producing the sounds in such rapid succession while we're talking fluidly would be miraculously complicated if we had to consciously move the tongue and muscles. Edit: Fixed a misspelling.
I would say it definitely is; in point of fact so is all other parts of the mouth, the lips and the jaw and the throat muscles as well as the muscles that control the vocal cords. This is why it takes babies so long to learn to talk at all, and part of why professional singers (classical music, I should say, not necessarily pop singers) have to spend decades training their voices. All of this being stuff I wish I'd learned my very very first year of voice lessons.........but I know now!
I actually had to learn to ride my bike twice. Growing up in the mountains of Colorado I could only ride my bike during the height of summer. Add to this a very large growth spurt over the fall and winter months after I learned the first time, my size and center of mass were very different when I got back on a bike and I just couldn't do it. I went back to training wheels and had to work up to riding freely again. While it was easier the second time, I always take the saying "it's like riding a bike" with a grain of salt.
I have memorized the algorithms to solve a rubiks cube. I didnt touch it for a year but could still do the algorithms quickly and without thinking. If i tried to do it slowly i would forget what to do.
This is also what happens when I haven't played a song on piano for years. I don't remember (nor did I ever know) any of the names of notes or chords. And the next few movements come flooding back when I just start playing part of it.
I forgot how to ride a bike as a small child. I started young enough that I don't completely remember learning the first time, so it's not terribly surprising that I had to relearn after 5+ years.
One of those cases which taught us a lot about implicit memory, must be Clive Wearing. No doubt, the reason why Hank referenced playing a piano, as Wearing can play the piano despite his severe retrograde and anterograde amnesia.
There's very interesting work on the recently-investigated role facia plays in proprioception. I wonder if these signals combine with "muscle memory" to refine and remember our movement skills. Fascia was previously regarded as only the lubrication and sheath for muscles but now is seen as yet another organ like our skin. Please do a segment on this work.
I suppose this subconscious muscle memory is why motor control isn't a mindful practice (if you want to move something, you don't have to think about the muscles needed to accomplish the desired movement).
"I can tell you the license plate numbers of all six cars outside. I can tell that our waitress is left-handed... and the guy sitting up at the counter weighs pounds and knows how to handle himself. I know the best place to look for a gun is the cab of the gray truck outside. And at this altitude, I can run flat-out for a half mile before my hands start shaking. Now why would I know that?"
I actually never learned to ride a bike. Like, every single time I get on one, I'm still in the training wheels phase, and now I'm in my late 20s and I feel like it's way too late to learn. I can mostly keep my balance while going straight, but I don't know how to pedal without shifting my whole body weight from one side to the other, which usually ends up with me tumbling over into the grass.
If you want to know the joke I thought all those months ago. I did it and you can see it here. (I did it to an author I like who also likes puns) twitter.com/paolini/status/1159876473341337606
What about the upper spinal cord thing? I remember hearing (long time ago back in the 80s) that there was some evidence that this kind of "motor memory" was partially stored in the upper part of the spinal cord...though none of the articles I read back then mentioned just where...but I had got the impression they didn't mean the cerebellum or even the medulla, but the spinal nerves themselves. Was that debunked?
S R Yes. You either have to go through all the boring immigration stuff, or show you ride a bike like a Dutch(wo)man: while havinn a full conversation over text, holding hands with someone, and with 20 kilograms of groceries hanging from your handlebars. That way they know you were meant to be a Dutchie
last time i rode a bike, my foot slipped off the pedal, my knee gave way (preexisting injury) and i wobbled into traffic and got hit by a car. the car was only going at like 1mph so i was fine, but my doctor says im not allowed to ride my bike anymore :'(
Except apparently with me cause the following year after finally learning to ride a bike, I cannot actually ride anymore and crashed it 3 times until the handlebars weren't on straight, and repeat 3 times, and i didn't actually get 5 seconds of attempted riding before those crashes I have massive balance issues than to Aspergers
Longitudinal studies are generally accepted with small sample sizes because trying to track down thousands of people after several years and make them do a thing isn't usually a viable strategy.
TheFinalChapters The alternative is not being able to ever do studies over time. Because again, experimenters aren't going to be able to track large numbers of specific people. And many of them in a large sample size will be dead, out of the country, imprisoned, etc over that time. AND you have to question them in a controlled(ish) environment, meaning you have to recreate that environment for each person. It's not that it's not easy. It's that it's effectively impossible for the foreseeable future.
It depends on what you're studying: if the number of, and range of variability of, the parameters being considered is small, 12 may be all you need. (When determining whether a batch of just-manufactured bolts meets standards, that's about right. And when determining whether to accept a shipment of grain, the relative amount tested is even smaller.) Although there is a formula for estimating needed/desired sample size, that formula covers the most widely generalized of situations: there simply is no hard-and-fast rule determining correct or even target sample size. That's why it's vital to have some understanding of the variability within the population of the parameter being studied and, in rigorous terms, listing (or at least understanding) the population size and the observed standard deviation within the population in regards to the value studied. (I aced graduate statistics, but I still watch and question things like this: it's not always intuitive.)
After watching this video I am tempted to shift my emphasis to mastering know-how rather than knowledge. All those facts one accumulates in one's brain are prone to forgetfulness. Motor skills on the other hand seem to be much more resilient to the passage of time and the reconfiguration of our neuronal connexions. Moreover, motor skills can be the gateway to more-solidly-established knowledge. For example, if you practice surfing, then you will be much more efficient at studying its biomechanics during your quiet time: your motor intuition will help cement the theoretical knowledge.
I forgot how to ride a bike. But I have spinocerebellar ataxia type 5, so it must be connected. However, I realized I'd forgotten how before symptoms started showing. About 8 years before, when I was 20. It's interesting. At least to me.
I think it is pretty weird to imagine that my whole ego, memory and all my thoughts are in this squishy wet thing in my head. Its a little bit disgusting.... Dont know why ^^
I live in Minnesota: if you even think about trying to ride a bike in most months of the year, you risk hypothermia either from getting soaked, or by getting frozen outright by the snow. And of course, the snow and rain on the ground don’t help traction either.
Look up "demand features" for experimental psychology, the problem with studies like this is that they have built in (implicit) - see what I did there - demand features that make it clear to participants what is required of them, even if only unconsciously. One reason demand features might occur is that we are highly social creatures that desire to satisfy not only our own needs and desires, but the needs and desires of others - say, a researcher for example. It's a big problem in any study that is not completely blind, making it a problem in long-term psych/brain/behav/economic research.
I'm guessing it's more natural. Most ("higher") animal behaviors are complex linking behaviors. We try to learn by brute force, kinda mechanical. The rare times you get one on one learning and learning by being thrown in are the ones that stick. I've always figured that's how apes teach. Even new world monkeys. Other animals it's harder to recognize. I'm almost more impressed by instinct from blinking and breathing to how ants farm and create nests without any observational learning or tutor.
I never fully learned how to ride a bike. I know how to swim, dive, climb walls and trees, and mountain ski, but I do not know how to ride a bycycle. I tried to learn 6 times in my life, last time just about 3 months ago. I did not succeed. I have first tried to learn when I was 9 years old. Did not succeed. Can you explain why, @ScishowPsych
As every Dutchman knows, you have to fall over a few times before you can properly cycle. Have you tried using side-wheels on the back wheel first? It helps you balance in the early stages of learning how to ride a bicycle.
I HATE this saying. From age 5 till 14, if I wanted to go ANYWHERE, I had to ride a bike. I was good. I was fast. Never got into any accidents that were memorable enough to...well...remember. I have tried NUMEROUS times to take up bike riding again since I was about 19 (I'm 32 now) and no matter how much I try, I CANNOT. I can't get the bike to stay upright. I can't go more than a few meters without falling over. I feel like this saying was created just to shame me.
