@@erlinghaaland2268 Their sponsors are starting to pull their weight though, aramco supposedly making performance demands for stroll / demands to move him to their wec team.
@@erlinghaaland2268 That would be great, it would make Aston my favourite team on the grid with no doubt and I am sure that i wouldnt be alone with such opinion.
STroll really isn't a whole lot slower most of the time. He's usually within 2 tenths. But I know you guys don't care about accuracy or the truth, you just wanna talk shit.
Or their high downforce setup is overly draggy. Seems optimised for slow speed corners. It’s curious why they’re running two completely different cars this year. I can only think that this is to help their development program by having twice the data available.
last stint in Japan stroll had softs and Alonso had hards , not in a single lap stroll managed to put a lap that was faster than alonso's , and alonso was slowing down to give piastri drs
Yeah, even though everyone was saying the hard was the better tire. Softs were atrocious in Japan - because of the high deg. I'm not sure how much information can be gained by this comparison. It's not as big of a deal as you make it out to be. The strat on his side of the garage was pretty perplexing.
Yes he's plainly slower than Alonso, but this is clearly an issue with setup. Too much downforce and the suspension wasn't set up to cope with it, the car is bumping all over the place in highspeed corners. And to top it off, the extra stiffness made it worse in slow corners as well. Yeah, Stroll isn't as fast generally, but that car wasn't set up well. Not easy to drive it like that and make no mistakes, especially when you're under pressure. It's easy to sit at home and just sh-t on somebody.
You're correct, you have to overdrive the car to make it perform. Just like last year when Sainz and Leclerc kept running off track at times, they had to over drive the car to be competitive. That's what casuals don't understand
How can you see if the car is bottoming out from an onboard, with the audio coming from both sides? There is no major steering input differences other than driving style. Worse in slow speed corners base on what? The hairpin? Where Stroll braked earlier but clearly less compared to Alonso..
@@lorenzorubino2195 Who mentioned bottoming out? Only you did. Worse in slow speed corners based on I have eyes and I can see and understand what I see. If you can't, your problem, don't go crazy here. The whole onboard from Stroll is shakier, and that's a fact. It's shakier because you have to make the car stiffer to take the extra downforce to avoid bottoming out and that's a compromise in itself. "Where Stroll braked earlier but clearly less compared to Alonso.." - lmfao :)
It's also a setup they no doubt got pushed to cause stroll couldn't get the hang of the circuit and needed a bit more confidence so more downforce on the car.
@@MyRealName I assumed that with the "suspension wasn't set up to cope with it" you meant that the car was bottoming out. The fact that you laugh about my phrase makes it clear that you have no idea what you are talking about. Sorry if I sounded aggressive, I was really interested in seeing if there was a technical view behind your first comment.
@@joetri10 You know the sport so that means you word is the gospel. Got it. Talent has nothing to do with set up then? Years of grinding to be able to find a good set up vs. years of being put in machines because of daddy's money and being told what set up to run. Back to my original statement...the difference between talent and daddy's money.
@@misawajason No i know the sport which means i know what i'm talking about over a guy who just spouts about money because it sounds like the correct answer xD.. The concept of the car centers around Fernando, because that's why he's there... They both have very different driving styles... Lance is the struggling one. This is an conversation that's older than time itself and barely anyone who talks really understands this concept and they never want to. Instead of putting time and effort into learning about something, they just default to 'He's BAD!' and think thats enough. I dont understand how you can become a fan of a sport so technical and not give a damn about it at the same time.. It would drive me crazy.
Stroll is slower in high speed because he's constantly losing lower gears to get rotation. Alonso is getting the rotation with higher gears which allows him to carry way more speed even though he's on lower downforce. Verdict is Alonso is driving with more front end and lower wing than Stroll is willing to do (most likely do to confidence and pure ability) and the lap times are showing every session
As someone who watches other series... no. He needs to retire. The guys in other series are professionals too. Hoping this guy goes anywhere else is disrespectful towards these other series.
Honestly Stroll's lap is not bad. It's just that Alonso is still very quick and there're a lot of small things which he does better and that in the course of a lap add up to the final deficit. Kids in the comments saying Stroll is a bad driver have no idea how good someone like Alonso is.
@@ajw1045 Considering just two or three of the current drivers are near/on Alonso's level I'd say there's some room, it's just that Stroll is not even near, he is miles away.
@@ajw1045Imo just Ham, Ver, Lec, Nor, Rus, Sai are close for worse or better to Alonso's level. That would mean we'd have F1 races with 7 drivers. I don't really see the point of it. It's true though that probably there're rookies with more potential than Stroll.
@@mattiabranchini7347Ocon was much closer to Alonso when they were teammates. Stroll is down there with Sergeant and Zhou in the conversation for worst driver currently racing.
I'd like to word it more positively, Stroll has the skill of an average F2 driver while Alonso shows everyone why people call f1 drivers as best in the world
@@ABYTE64 Aston Martin lost 4⁰ position in the constructors championship last year because of it, the same thing occurred by 6⁰ position in 2022 and 3⁰ position again in 2020
@@huehuehue7451I also would like to see Stroll getting awesome results, but he is terrible in consistency. Everybody says that he's unskilled, he doesn't know how to drive etc... but he's actually very good, don't forget that he got the pole position in the hardest qualifying in the last 20+years (Turkey 2020) beating wet driving monsters like Verstappen and Hamilton, but he's not able to keep those skills, and he can be able to move from Ayrton Senna to Yuji Ide in a matter of laps.
You have a double world champion racing driver (who won titles against Schumacher), and just a very good racing driver (none of us writhing here would never be even close to Stroll's driving skills, just because he is in racing for 20 years, with unlimited budget), so what is exactly unusual or weird?
Looks like Stroll's setup was bad too though. I can see lots of understeer. To me this looks like they've chucked on a whole load of downforce at the rear without matching it at the front. Then of course there's the obvious skill gap, but I can definitely see an Understeering Aston on the left.
A higher downforce rear wing doesn't affect the top speed as much in a DRS straight tho Given Alonso likes understeer it's quite possible that Lance ran a much higher front-wing.
alonso has said in spanish media that he doesn't care for under- or oversteer - he'll drive it the way it is fastest the reason why the Renault cars he got WDCs in were so understeery is because it was the fastest way to get that particular car around the track
Stroll has a solid racing career ahead of him - just not in F1. He's obviously very competent, rarely ends up in tangles during the race and is generally quite reliable, but he's just missing that final 1% of pace and edge. He'll be great in WEC or something similar.
Plenty of times that for example, sainz was outqualified by leclerc by more than 8 tenths and nobody was judging him this harshly. Stroll had a specially bad weekend but he’s judged like he’s supposed to beat Alonso every week when he clearly can’t. You really are judged based on your teammates performance and Lawrence did his son dirty all these years lmao
@@justinburley8659That one was not on track, If George had been more carefull, Alonso would finished ahead. That said I am with Stoll in Japan, that poor guy got his car setup wrong and struggled.
Just curious, why did you blur the video on the back straight? Did some Alonso groupies flash their boobs there or something? 😂 Great video as always mate, keep it up!
Does this mean that while Alonso considers his car as a tool to get the job done, Stroll spends his time battling against his car, as if he thought it was this which would prevent him to get points?
That's absolutely embarrassing, Alonso is almost 43... imagine if he was still 30/31 like in his Ferrari days, Stroll would be more than 1 second behind🤦. And then I don't know what kind of setup was that... how was that a high-downforce setup???🤔 the car had so much understeer.
Alonso aracın ön tarafının yol tutuşunu kaybetmeden dönüyor virajları ama stoll kaybediyor yol tutuşu. Özellikle ilk sektör, birbirini takip eden virajlarda çok belli. Alonso beklemiyor dönmek için. Fren noktasında o kadar güzel konumlandırıyor ki aracı virajı gaz vererek dönüyor. Bu yeni kurallar gereği zaten böyle kullanmak lazım. Adam işi çok iyi biliyor.
The reason is: Alonso can drive F1 cars. Stroll is a young boy who is unmotivated and relies on his dad's wallet, but as long as the profit is right, it's acceptable.
Stroll is actually fast when on his day, he has a pole position in the wet, but he never seemed to have fully understood how to drive these ground effect cars.
@@paperplane-db8qf you are not serious now!!? With Alonso having how many PU and gearbox retirements? Alonso was 0.220 sec faster on average in qualifying and out-qualified Ocon. 15-7 was the fastest lap for Alo in the race, while the race result was 8-8. The issue was that Fernando had several key mechanical failures where he lost 30-40 points relative to Ocon, and almost every time such retirement occurred, he was supposed to gain good points and was in front of Ocon. If just 1/4 of those unlucky retirements didn't happen, he would have more points than Ocon at the end of the season. Simply put, those two do not fit into the same sentence. It’s like thinking that 16 GB of Ram on Windows or Android is faster than 12 of Apple.
There is literally no explanation, just mis-matched stock music over engine sounr. Who3ver is upvoting this lazy shite is to blame for how RU-vid is becoming.
hes worse than Massa or Kimi relative to Alonso and thats saying a lot as these 2 were completely taken apart by the man from Oviedo. Strolls has to be swapped for smbd that is at least a bit closer....If they can get Sainz it would be huge
He’s always been so hack and slash with his steering wheel - unbelievable to think he was on a higher downforce set up with the amount of adjustments he makes during a corner, just pick a direction dude!
Stroll discovered why Vettel got annihilated by Leclerc despite 4 extra years of experience at Ferrari, and why Alonso was competitive with Norris & Ocon despite having infinite levels of bad luck!
Stroll was P19 in Suzuka when Vettel was in Q3. Vettel just checked out after he announced his retirement but still scored more than double his points.
@@alvarorey9308Alonso didn’t have bad luck in 2021 and was only a few points ahead of Ocon lmao. Alonso just an Overrated fraud who lost to midfield teammates and a rookie
Only people who have watched F1 for 1-2 years are more defensive of Stroll. I can't think of another driver who lost every season to his teammate for 8 years and still has a seat.
Dude is less than a second slower and all these kids who have never raced prolly keep yapping daddy's money. It doesn't feel anything different to go 7 tenths faster, u wont even realize where u r slow unless somebody compares ur laptimes like this video
Why would you run more downforce than required to break traction with the tyres? There literally isn't a reason to run excessive downforce because the tyres will eventually be the weak point. This is pretty much driver setup 101...
It was actually surprising to me just how close they were in the middle sector all the way through. Even that hairpin lockup didn't hurt Stroll that badly compared to Alonso according to this comparison. He just lost so much in the first sector and SO much in the final chicane.
I’m racing go-karts myself sometimes, and the track’s record holder is much quicker than me, I wish I could the telemetry data comparison to see where he’s gaining on me 😅 To me it seems impossible to go any quicker.
Just watching the laps like this it's crazy to see how much more unstable Lance's car looks despite the higher downforce setup Also hey, Lance did have less straight line speed than Alonso, that's one of my questions answered
The difference between the cars wasn't as simple as mere setup differences. Stroll's car had "upgrades" and the team hadn't figured out how to set up the car to work with them yet. Compare this to their previous shared quali sessions that year and you can easily tell that their gap isn't actually this big. Stroll did beat Alonso before after all, and not just in the Australia Q3 session where Alonso had damage (which was Alonso's own fault). Last year, their average quali gap was on the larger side of the grid, but still not the biggest or among the biggest 3.
could be Stroll, could be Vandoorne, could be Massa, could be Ocon or could be Raikkones, doesnt matter who you compare against Alonso.. all of them will look like the same crap.. you are comparing Alonso's fellow to GOAT
At 1:48 Stroll is going 216 KMH at 10389 RMP in 5. gear, and Alonzo is 211 KMH at 11641 RPM in 5. gear, seems like a big difference in gear ratio ? What am I missing ?
It must be something to do with tyre warmup or something? Alonso can maintain the operating window and Stroll can’t? We know Stroll is quick over one lap on his day, so there must be a technical reason why Alonso’s sector 1 is faster - and not just “Stroll bad”.
guys, he is not such a bad driver. Alonso is one of the 2-3 best driver and has a lot of experience. Lance won the F3 euro series with 14 victories before come in F1. Maybe the car does not fit with his driving style. of course, maybe he would not be in F1 if his father was not the owner of an F1 team, but he is not a bad driver for sure.
I don't think he had that high down force setup. He was indeed second in race in terms of max speed with 333km/h. He shouldn't blame the car that much. Alonso is doing miracles with it but that doesn't mean the other one isn't lacking performance....
Alonso appears to be slower in, keeping the car settled, and then quicker to accelerate out. I think Stroll is trying too hard to go fast, when he would probably do a lot better if he just concentrated on being smooth. slow=smooth=fast!
I realy do hate that guy, but to be honest: I dont see a mistake from Stroll this time. It seems that the setup was very worse for this track. Also it´s 3:1 not 4:0. I really dont want to see this guy in F1 anymore, but he is not that worse like it seems..
Stroll is braking in every fast corner just a tiny bit and Alonso just yeets it because he trusts the rear of the car to not step out. One guy actually rotates the car from the rear, the other is so afraid, he'd rather overlay on throttle input just so that he doesn't spin off. It's ridiculous to witness Stroll week in and week out perform like this.
So you have one of the most experienced and fast team mates in F1 history and you don't learn anything from their car setup ... heck I'd start by copying it exactly!
Stroll went with the more downforce set up in the F1 game while everyone did balanced, and he had the audacity to complain about the car instead of his idiocy. Reminds me of a certain other youtuber that I know of.
I wish Aston Martin would just publicly say that the only reason why he drives in the team is because his dad owns the company. I hate when they try to gaslight the fans and tell people that there’s no real performance difference in the two drivers.
“We value his technical knowledge.” Sets up the car high downforce and is then slow in the advantage he’s supposed to have with said set up. Be technical as he may, he’s still slow.
Don´t even need to see the video to answer that question... Paying driver, thats the answer. As long as F1 owners allow this to happen there will always be someone to take a seat for a potencial F1 driver.
I mean.... look at how clean alonso's lines are compared to Strolls, that guy even manages to smoke a front tire while doing a slight left. Like how the f???
