@@RinaShinomiyaVal prosp worst card ever in game, loses all your extra deck monsters, half damage, and put your cards in bottom of deck! You can only pick one too then you locked out from drawing so you droll yourself essentially! Much rather desires or upstart to guarantee draws for lower costs like LP or main deck where you can run 3 of each card and less risk in 40 cards than 15 extra where you likely run more different boss monsters than same main deck ones. Extra deck too important and you can’t even OTK! Also you are not restricted from more draws!!! Upstart at 3 reduces decks to 37 and is representative of the power of upstart Hoban who has the power of the legend Patrick Hoban!
IB is such a crazy card. Despite her being banned I was secretly playing LIB. Basically we now get a free world legacy S/T search as well. And a free bounce. Basically a similar power level of little knight, but better turn 1 for combos.
@@MomirViggwilv No I just played Lib in my decks prior to the unlimit of IB. After using world legacy succesion (monster reborn) I could summon her and set a trap (one world legacy trap allows link summoning, The other good one is a lv 5 revive). Lib is powerful, because even after succession, if you use her as a link material you can shuffle a card on the field into the deck. So basically you got a two link material unicorn, for using monster reborn, that also set a trap. So know, that she can search cards, that you can activate some times, the unlimit of IB, is also a big buff to lib. Now you can also search monstrosity and use it with the runick lv 9 card. The small runick fusions will also help to summon IB.
@@Griever49 still blows my mind that they keep releasing these hugely powerful links without archetype limits. I get there's money to be made but... Why.
Joseph, it's actually the second Dryas and Healer that enable Sunseed Twins and let's you heal to search twice with Jasmine. This literally makes it so just Loci is not full combo, unless better lines get developed.
jasmine tribute for laurel, link off laurel and twin/loci for a second jasmine, laurel effect gains lp, search lily borea and mudan. done. also we're already gonna be running laurel anyway so that rosalina can be a starter
Circular ban is so frustrating. Literally just bought Mathmech Ignister in paper since I wanted to play the neat Firewall stuff but NOPE. It's not even that good!
I was alredy making a mathmech deck myself but this happened, now i have only two options, 1) finish the deck and use it in casual, 2) making a gate guardian deck for when the dark guardian gets released
It literally is the second Drias that gets you going. You use seed to link into Drias, play Sowing, summon Twin, Summon Loci, summon Healer, link Drias and Healer for Jasmine, link Twin for the second Drias, Link Loci for the second Healer, gain 300 LP, then search any Plant you want with Jasmine.
@@EpicMTGMusic Dryas is at 1. Also, the reason you make Drias and healer twice is to gain LP when Jasmine is on the field (which allows you to search any plant). do the two links is to activate Healers
@@Greg501- thing is that set has already had it's print run and is sold to retailers, Konami doesn't make money off resales only the sale of sealed and making a already well selling set slightly more enticing ain't really doing anything when they have already sold the batch. Konami actually benefits more if they plan to reprint those cards soon since that those generate more demand which means they can do a bigger print run and profit off of that.
MBT when MD unhits old cards -> "OH MY GOD MD IS SO BAD THEY ARE SO DUMB" MBT when TCG unhits old cards -> "Oh actually this is very good, this cards are fine, good job"
>tfw you draw into Called by/Crossout when your opponent Drolls in response to your Upstart Goblin draw At least Upstart is a non-HOPT so multiple copies are just free setup in Endymion and Sky Striker.
Isolde is a card that should have been banned years ago. But yeah... there is no way Both Snatch and isolde would be legal in the same Banlist season so they just traded places :P
That and isolde basically made warrior decks a misery to play against since 1 normal summon can easily climb into an apo, a savage dragon and rusty bardiche and 2 backrow. In MD, it is even more miserable with colossus still playable, isolde with the PK and a bigger danger package makes it a misery to play against since they set up 2 pops with rusty, a droll and lock bird with colossus, 2 PK backrow negates, savage dragon plus handtraps, which is just unplayble going 2nd. So yeh isolde survived for too long, fuck that card
No, for 2 reasons 1: Snatch is going second only, no sane person searches it T1 2: If Isolde resolves completely uninterrupted going second, you were going to win anyways.
Hot take maybe but all the bans were warranted, they're all cards that limit design space substantially! Kelbek and Agido means that a cards like the new lightsworn support could never really be printed, and that tear will continue to exists unless they either ban more tear cards or the millers (and I actually think that with the millers ban more main deck names could be unbanned, maybe even kitkallos could come back, the ishizu cards were one of konami's biggest mistakes). Circular is essentially the best cyberse extender/starter and it just shoed in perfectly in most of the relevant cyberse decks. It's also so flexible and hard to handtrap that it's somewhat frustrating to play against, this should give konami more room to design other cyberse cards. Isolde literally gatekept warrior monsters and equip spells for the longest time, I think we could even see rota back at 3 if isolde is out of the picture. Actual hot take: I don't think infernoble is dead after this hit, having the deck switch from a 1 card combo to a 2 card combo strategy is hard but totally doable enough that the deck will get to rogue level for sure imo
Infernobles is absolutely not dead. OG Noble Knight, on the other hand, is actually functionally no longer playable. Like, the fuck is Iyvanne useful for now, as it summons a token and locks you to Noble Knights for doing so in a deck with only one Noble Knight link monster...?
Cool to have most problematic floodgates at one without baning them. Balance is good. I know an Exodia player who recently pulled a very awesome display that will be happy to see Upstart Goblin at three. Also, TCG can give some flowers to Master Duel for helping refine their format. The analytics from that game has influenced this banlist.
Can see the influence happening as well. Mathmechs is a common deck. Through don't think TCG will ever get maxx. The ptsd is way too strong for players that had to deal with the monster in the formats they was around. Personally don't mind giving them a card or two. Outside of full combo. The min I need is like 2 special summons before safely ending turn. Lock and bird is more of my bane of existence. Do have one bird deck, but not my main and did a funny link 4 summon with the deck with oath.
Is rikka really that problematic in the tcg? I didn't think it was that popular. Overall this is a pretty exciting banlist though. Wish they would have unbanned electrumite though
it isnt - it is only in europe and only because we have Jesse piloting it - the dryas hit is especially devastating because the big comboline is about two dryas - if you get negated you aim to get another dryas on board - now you cannot,
If the card is badly designed, ban it. I don't care if it kills the deck it was originally printed for, they can just prin a new card. Isolde and Circular both deserve it. With that being said, I'd rather they ban these stupid floodgates instead of limiting it.
@AstralLaVista the clock went off early. Infernoble was all that was using it and isn’t nearly as consistent or represented as decks like Unchained and Rescue Ace that only saw consistency hits instead of getting completely killed off like Tear and Infernoble
Yeah I’m guessing it was just because of the snatch steal limit so if people don’t bother with that or if Konami ever push noble knights again she should come back
Oh right, Upstart Goblin is a "Goblin" card, and while Goblin Rider can search Goblin monsters, I think you'd have to use Scrounging Goblin to actually search the generic Goblin Spell/Traps. Which isn't worth it.
I'm happy that we're finally getting new lightsworn cards as it's my favourite archetype of all time but without agido, kelbek, chaos ruler or curious I really don't think it'll be enough to fix it
Did mbt really say "its fun to play against mathmech" no its fucking not i have never had that thought in my brain against mathmech of all things. Yeah dude draw the handtrap or die i really had fun.
Typical Komoni. Killing Rescue-Ace even though it's completely fair if you're not on Diabellestar. In fact, this actively forces you to buy Diabellestar if you want to play Rescue-Ace at all because Isolde was a backbone of Rescue-Ace without Diabellestar. So it's double screw you.
as a speedroid player who's also promised to build orcust as soon as harp came back, i could not possibly be any happier at this list. unicorn to 3 is also a speedroid unhit by the way.
Six Sam had 2 1card FTKs, one of which is un-nibiruable and both can play through 1-2 *other* hand traps depending on what they are, and a ton of 2-card FTKs. And now it's literally unplayable.
@@OMIMoxhasn't six Sam been rogue for ages tho. I remember it being tier 0 at one point but a more accurate reason for isolde's ban would probably be the exodia ftk stuff alongside infernoble having multi negate end boards
@@okita_souji_alter six sam's has infinite summons and recursion, and have had an Exodia FTK since 2021 and with rescue hedgehog it's a 1cardftk and plays through nibiru+1HT. I don't ever have to stop summoning. Or I didn't, before today. Now it's literally deceased. But yes, the real reason is cuz Infernobles are in the spotlight.
No one would have said a damn thing had people making banlist predictions not harped on Isolde this cycle. Infernoble was just okay since DUNE and nothing about that was changing since Infernoble only scales with Warrior support and less with Fire attribute support. Now Warrior decks are basically unplayable and for what? Because people hate any niche card that says "send four bricks to the GY, summon a dude from deck"? Wow so fucking broken. I'm sure all those people who bought CR Isoldes and QCR Infernoble cores only to have the deck butt blasted into irrelevance feel like they got their money's worth.
Circular should've never been printed. Banning it is just fixing a stupid mistake Konami made by making such an absurd and dumb piece of centralizing legacy support. It's a stupid level of power creep granted to a previously unplayable deck that singlehandedly turn it into the ultimate cyberse pile.
Rikka and matchmech in particular indeed make me feel konami listened to josh more than they should, not to mention no runick fountain hits despite just win ycs.
You do realize that they probably planned this banlist long before ycs bologna? And even then josh's deck is literally one of the very few runick decks in top cut, which managed to get such a result just because josh is that good at piloting that deck? I know it's fun to joke around that this is more of a "joshua's wishlist" than "yugioh's banlist", but let's not trick ourselves into believing josh has that much influence over the banlist
@@Ironpeckernah he has. Like all the pro players, who share the same elitarian's mentality as konami's. Not saying he directly influenced the banlist, but it's kinda known that konami always looked at top pro players thoughts about the current state of the game as an indicator to their banlist
On the upstart unlimit... Who actually cares? It's been at 3 in MD, and chicken game, and into the void, and all the other broken stuff too, and sees next to 0 play. The point MBT hits the nail right on the head, why would you ever run 3 upstart, when that could be imperm, ash, Veiler, droll, or nib?
lot of people seem to not realize that the mikanko ritual turns snatch steal into a non-targeting, loopable change of heart. while it won't have the same protection as reflection rondo, it is still incredibly abusable, and mikanko rivalry, while targeting, can strap it to an opponents monster from the deck.
@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes yes if used on its' own. Ohime does not activate it through it's equip effect though it just equips it to an appropriate monster on resolution. It's one of those "funny" rulings that make card interactions into a nightmare for the person who doesn't know not to play into it.
Nobody is fucking talking about how brutal the sharvara to 1 hit is and it's so annoying. You literally go through 2-3 of that card in every unchained combo that aims to make caesar.
I mean the deck is just unplayable now. Your combo not only ends on significantly worse interaction, you also have to use yama if you want to make caesar/gryphon now, meaning the deck folds to literally any interaction on turn 2 as well. Its grind (the best part of the deck) is gone because you have no way into more traps other than your opponent eating glue and letting sarama stay out for multiple turns.
isolde being banned is bad. it's a fair card imo, you risk getting bricks to play it. the sunavalon line is dead. konami really pushing the sales for that new combo lines with aroma.
As much as i love harp being free and floodgates not, the annoying thing about this list is it seems to be trying to make everything more expensive. You cant make an argument for pure tear over horus, you now need diabellestarr for R-ace, the brand new, common, unchained card gets hit.
Can they just ban SP little knight and the sinful spoils engine so I don't have to pay the absurd prices for them. Also free Ronintoadin, let me play my froggies Thanks
Not quite. Majority of the time I play Infernobles, I rarely bothered summoning her. Meanwhile, OG Noble Knights is functionally a dead deck even in a casual setting.
Tearlaments really just outright unplayable now. Also unironically makes Lightsworn with support a bit weaker. And Air Lifter just hurting Rescue-ACE for no real reason. The next format really literally just going to be...Fire Kings, and that's it.
Isolde ban just fucked us poor infernoble and noble knight players :/ at least let it be 1? Or errata to make it 2 noble knights as materials. But eh its just me coping
I'll still be on the copium that Infernoble is playable with just Angelica. she's the main reason the deck could full combo anyway and most likely the reason Konami thought it was now ok for Isolde to go since they basically printed a 2nd isolde that only works in noble knight decks.
... What OG Noble Knight deck going to run as a tuner? What use is Angelica in Noble Knight if it searches FIRE Warriors or searches cards that supports only Infernobles?
@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes you're talking as if you can't run infernobles with the OG Nobles knights. Also did you know Museum searches Camelot which literally searches any noble arms or ss artorigius from deck or gy. Think before you speak
@@Gilgamesh-em6ru And you're going to tell me that the Infernobles can search Noble Knights instead of FIRE Warriors and that having to run Round Table is actually a good thing because it "foolish burials" monsters with no GY effects or special summoning a vanilla in an archetype filled to the brim with effect monsters that don't center around said vanilla is game breaking... I play both archetypes. Think before YOU speak. Hell, Round Table can't even Foolish because you can't even get the three Noble Knights required for it anymore...
If you read the card with the rest of the plant cards it's literally "search 1 plant card from your deck + autowin in time", hardly the worst card out there
@@Ironpecker yeah. Read the cards on the list in a vacuum. It is so fuckin bad compared to the shit we limit 1 on paper. The reason they hit healer is because other cards are good. This is a hit abc to nerf firewall headass limit 1.
As a Labrynth player, I am honestly pumped to see the floodgates go to 1 and hopefully eventually get banned (this list should include Skill Drain but I'll take what I can get). Hopefully, it will dissuade bad and toxic players away from playing the deck and I can enjoy playing the deck the way that I always have.
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