Why It Works: Rorschach's First Kill | WATCHMEN Analysis 

@Sharan Mudda Exactly bang on, even the greatest directors have their shortcomings because nobody is perfect I just wish Zack would been atleast a bit better at storytelling it would have turned some of his "fine" or even good movies into great ones.

@Sharan Mudda Agreed the first Avengers movie has alot of great character moments and dynamics but when when you look at its cenimatagrophy it's one of the most flat and blandly shot blockbusters in the last 8 years.

Zack Snyder's Watchmen is my all time favorite superhero film of all time. Every director has their masterpiece, Watchmen was his. The fact that James Gunn, Darren Aronofksy, Scott Derrickson and Christopher Nolan loved the film, called it a "ahead of it's time masterpiece", even Derrickson calling it " The Blade Runner of Comic Book Cinema", I absolutely agree. Watchmen was brilliant.

2:27 that looks like XxxEdelord6969xxX with 2 sunglass donning traps

Basically sums up my love hate relationship with this man also noting that since this movies release a lot of successful movies used such tools

That’s Alan Moore’s script more than Zack Snyder’s artistic flair... jheez

Otto Roberts ok

I could understand nothing after "men get arrested"

SAME

"You're not brave, men are brave"

And the comedian is the first ever "It's a joke"

And night owl is the first "I am therefore I exist."

bleach comrade That joke blew Murrays mind

It that dam video game

@@cenoviopereira8603 wait what

It’s definitely incredible

The actor who played Rorschach though. Love the guy in watchmen and in the newest Nightmare on Elmstreet

Sadly the new watchmen learned nothing of amazing suspenseful cinematography and simply descided to put spray painted burlap sack over the new Rosharch's head(the new tv series soon to air) and call it a Watchmen

It's a great example of when CGI isn't hidden but still works so well.

@@sugarreaper6474 Oh and made for TV stuff is shit anyway. It's just a ploy to make money off suckers. TV is trash. Liberate yourself from it.

that why i like thanos bechus some of his quotes are ture its just so true and same goes for heath legders joker bechus some of the lines are just so true

Adde Stj because*

@@addestj9535 I feel the same about darkseid.

why dogs tho

Yet the line was taking from the comic book.

@@wallywest4727 Technically we just hear the psychiatrist recite it from his notes. In the movie, we actually hear Rorschach himself say it.

I still say this line to this day, it will never get old for me.

@@leobanks6111 Same here.

@Michael Miller Schwarzenegger's lines are badass too. It depends on delivery.

Agreed, my absolute favorite film

it's underrated because it's so so so much worse than the comic. They changed the ending so that Ozymandias becomes a straight up villain instead of the main hero of the story. In the book it's this profound realization that his plan was perfect -- it may have been the only way to avoid nuclear war -- but ultimately he's still a monster who killed millions of people across the globe, and you have to wrestle with the clash of ideals and the cost of peace. In the film he's a bad guy with a dumb plan who blows up a city because he's dumb enough to think the world will unite against a being as powerful as God, instead of langouring in worse nihilism than before. It's not a bad movie, but it IS an insult to its source material.

Max Roderick thank you so many people congratulating Zack Snyder for his great lines or camera direction when it’s a DIRECT copy of the graphic novels style but a mutilated version of it and it makes me sad nobody has the attention span for the book and think this movie is the fucking same in terms of contact it’s so stupid

And also unnecessarily long

​@@tetryst I will respectfully disagree. In the film Ozymandius is still portrayed as the hero monster that killed millions to save billions. He doesn't just blow up a single city, instead targeting many of the worlds great metropolises. This is shown in the same way as the comic in the bank of screens on his Antarctic base. Of course the film he goes about it differently by directly implicating Dr. Manhatten. This is to me a slightly better, more plausible (if you could call it that) method than the genetically modified chimera and its phychic shockwaves triggered upon its death. A movie has to be shorter than a graphic novel and compromises need to be made. And this was a clever one in my opinion. In addition I do not think that many would consider Dr. Manhatten to be a god after that inverview that implicated him in the deaths of Wally Weaver and Janey's cancer. For all his power he was shown to be very fallible, unstable and thanks to Ozzy, potentially very dangerous to just be around. All very useful if you want to convince people he has turned on humanity.

He's really old but if you liked him in this watch preacher he plays a great psycho in that!

He is old for Carnage now...

@@NoneRain_ A pity but I think we would need someone more maniacal for the part anyway.

Cassidy

I’d sign a petition for that! Him or the guy who played evil hulk against Edward Norton.

🤔

both are a bit too "edgy"

@@ransnorkel9322 the last quote is a direct reference to the comic, but I also kinda agree

Ransnorkel no it’s not

Ransnorkel in the comic it says “do you think I’m some sorta movie villain?” It’s an awesome switch aroind

in the graphic novel he kills the dogs with the cleaver, which is where that quote comes from - when the kidnapper comes home Rorschach handcuffs him to the stove and then sets the building on fire and hands the kidnapper a hacksaw 'if you start now you might be able to cut your hand off before you burn' (Mad Max end scene reference here). Then Rorscach goes outside and watches the building burn, this is the point where he makes the 'god doesn't make us kill' quote

@@richardhockey8442 He does kill the dogs in the movie, too. The act of him doing it isn't shown, but there is a shot of a dog's hacked-open face that immediately follows a shot of an inkblot, like in the comic.

It's funny, because I've heard people saying Megamimd was ahead of it's time (which I also agree with) but it makes so much more sense as it Watchmen!

If it had come out after Deadpool and the (current) DCU wasn’t a thing it would have been AMAZING.

Oh, but I think it's quite interesting that Watchmen was the straw that broke Alan Moore's back. Moore swore off adaptation of any of his comic book works when Watchmen was finished. (Note also: Moore originally intended to kill off characters he despised- but he was forbidden to, so he had to come up with new ones that obliquely referenced his hated superheroes.) For the record, I rather enjoyed League of Extraordinary Gentlemen as far as the movie was concerned; I thought Moore's original presentation in the comics was bizarre and disgusting. Moore represents for me the worst smart alecky, satirical, sardonic and bitter views of England about society, and well, I'm from the U.S., and I don't share his piss and vinegar attitude.

people don't like it because it's so much worse than the book its based on. It should never have been adapted, but if it was they should have held the release until just after End Game's -- put the super heroes in a coffin right when the public is ready to turn on them again, and update it a la Apocalypse Now to comment on the current state of the world, rather than try to make a shot for shot adaptation (while at the same time bafflingly ruining the ending) so that it could stand on its own.

@@jblue1622 liked the movie. Not perfect. But best anyone could muster

That dialogue is the most brutal and yet badass that I've ever heard of roshach

@@vicentserrano9268 this quote define what rorchach is

@Rizky Satya You should. It's a masterpiece.

Knowing now what a dog means for rorschach, change a lot the meaning of the first pages of watchmen

... and I'll look down and whisper "Maybe after a hot-pocket." - Deadpool

@Nickelbackist meinLeben fair enough. Well, besides Silk Spectre. She was a bitch

This is my favourite movie and I must say that I disliked Rorschach at first. His voice sounded too cliched. So Dr Manhattan's and The Comedian's indifference towards human life was the best part of the movie for me.

@@Domasiukas Also a great part imo. The comedian is maybe my 2nd favorite character next to Rorschach. I loved his grey-area type views of the world compared to Rorschach's black-and-white and Jeffery Dean Morgan is AMAZING. Plus I consider his performance the precursor to Negan, who is the best part of The Walking Dead in my opinion

Which cut of the movie did you watch? The one on Netflix is horrendous. The Director's Cut is the way to go.

@@Hot18Shot OG the first time around, my cousin gave me a director's cut copy for Christmas and it is AMAZING

Your Resident Ginger lmao but remember BvS that was shit and it’s an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns

EL R not a direct adaptation though

@@elr6212 I honestly loved BvS, I thought it was great imo

Naw, he's great at other shit. People are just fuckin degenerates.

@@elr6212 no its not it took some aspect like batman being a much older batman and more violent but aside from that nothing from bvs is like the dkr storywise vistually zack took some shots from the book but that was not an adaptation. have you even read or seen the movie of the dark knight returns.

Jackie Earle Haley is freaking perfect in this movie

Haley did amazing work with his body by being Rorschach, and the little time that we actually see him as Kovacs, he absolutely NAILS it

Walter's mother even comments on it....calls him a freak for just staring at her like that, never blinking. Soooo.......

Cullen Nash he actually does blink ironically right after the narrator makes his point the next cut to Rorschach shows him blinking

Blinks at 2:43 no?

Slow your flow bitches, Imma fuck you up.

Yup

Fax

Looks like Rorschach has been taking notes from Doomguy

@@The_Monkey_Prince But Watchmen did it first?

Jonathan De La Cruz No actor can be better than Dr. Manhattan's

Whoever told you that is an idiot who's opinion shouldn't be trusted on anything.

Whomever told you that probably thinks Thor 3 is a masterpiece and winter soldier is the best super hero movie of all time.

@@samsaraslight8377 tbf Winter Soldier is a damn good movie

The Manhattan ending of the film makes more sense than the SQUID in the book.

Zach so true

Zach cause now this is on of the few superhero/vigilantes movies that is just dark without stupid jokes

I disagree. I think this movie misses the point of the graphic novel and Snyder just did a very superficial and dumbed down version of the novel

@@davideguida3186 being dark doesn't mean being good. And being comedic doesn't mean being bad. It's just a tonal choice and if you've ever read a DC comic in your life you would know that most of them are not dark. In fact superhero comics were first created for kids so there goes your point

Los Pollos Hermanos I disagree having read the graphic novel and watched the movie. There are limitations to both mediums but the novel’s ending with the squid being is just so convoluted. Even in the book it doesn’t make much sense. The book has more time to go into parallels with the in world pirate comic(name escapes me atm) and can explain a few things more thoroughly. While the movie certainly gives better voice through body language score etc. I’d say it wasn’t well liked at first because despite its limitations it wasn’t dumbed down like some super hero movies. Most people that were disappointed expected another capes crusader pop corn movie. The trailer got me so excited I actually read the book first. I certainly don’t think they skipped much that wasn’t worth skipping.

I agree, and when it does have jokes, they definitely hit harder because you don't expect them every thirty seconds.

Thoi Manh The Comedian has jokes the entire time he was on set.

Human bean juice was pretty funny tho

There was a comedian for God's sake and his whole perspective that the world was nothing more than a big bad joke was a hard hitting one,, a joke nonetheless

@laz kar Yeah, the thing is Watchman is a deconstruction of the Superhero genre. It's hard to have people respond well to deconstruction when they aren't intimately familiar with the genre being deconstructed, as most people weren't in 2009. After a decade of Superhero movies I think the world would really be primed right now for movies to take the same kind of deconstructionist turn that comic books took in the mid to late 80s. Unfortunately the result will probably be the same as it was in the comics industry- yo'd get a spate of really good movies adapting the best comics from that time, then the hacks would move in and not really understanding why those things were so good would just copy the style and not the substance, leaving us with a bunch of "Dark and Gritty" movies where the heroes are barely restrained psychopaths and the body count in an average movie would make WWII look like a Sunday picnic. And of course these days it would have a nice layer of SJWism and Grrrrrrl power layered on top.

I disagree, it completely misses the point of the original comic

@@lospolloshermanos6800 it nevertheless accomplishes its goal, or mistakingly accomplishes a different goal, with flying colors.

@@davecrupel2817 Well, yeah, it was successful at misrepresenting the graphic novel. Awesome job, Snyder

@@lospolloshermanos6800 people like you is the the reason why Gorge Lucas rewrote Starwars episode II. And the reason why he sold it to Disney. Its people like you, bro. People like you is the reason why we dont have Darth JAR JAR.

@@guineapig1016 Why are you talking about Star wars now lmao

Well Rorschach was created because alan moore couldn't get the rights to the question.

@@TBDF12 absolutely right.. He looks like question.

The Question read the Watchmen novel and tried modelling himself on Rorschach. His opinion? "Rorschach sucks."

Doomsday would be fun but it wouldn't make since

Loved that scene too, although it was quite condensed compared to the original book. Please check out Watchmen Motion Comic - Chapter 4 for comparison, as it gives fascinating insight on how a being like Dr. Manhattan experiences existence.

Lmao thank u ✊🔥

Love ya too man 👌

Same and I think I have a crush on rorschach lol 😂

That's how it ended in the comic, except no Nite-Owl watching

Thought most of the movie was well done...Didn't like what they did with the industrial leaders prior to Ozzy's assassination set-up, and they totally botched the ending which gave the Graphic novel ending so much more meaning, but I agree...for the most part, they kept Rorschach one of the most interesting characters. There is a 6 hour version somewhere I saw on cable that almost matches the graphic novel scene by scene, inserting the "Black Freighter" sequences in the right spot and has the entire sequence between the kid and the news stand owner as well.

Why would it piss you off? It's a perfect ending as far as I'm concerned. Certainly better than the graphic novel.

Ripped it directly from the graphic novel. Incredible storytelling.

I agree it’s great, but its kinda ruined by Rorschach saying that the criminal would die anyway from the fire so there’d be no point in cutting his arm off.

Browntable Really I thought escape was a valid option? I forgot the details of that. Well that does spoil it.

its never explicitly said whether he would turn him in, i always read it as an honest offer. but i would take it a step further and say that snyder got this scene (along with alot of the movie wrong). rorschach lighting the house on fire, throws him a hacksaw, and says "you wont have time to cut through the chain." then stands outside watching and when the guy never comes out he realizes he doesn't feel anything. rorschachs own gimmick was always his "black and white" sense of right and wrong. now that his own code accepted his actions causing another man to lose his life, now taking a life exists in his code of ethics. that small scene shows you everything about rorschach and how he becomes who he was. Having him kill the guy in cold blood like snyder chose in the movie ruins all of the nuance and character development for nothing

@@samwallaceart288 Yeah... it was never going to be an option. With the house completely saturated with gasoline, even cutting off his arm would barely give enough time to escape. Regardless, what this vid is saying about the scene is not how it plays out, but how the communication of Rorschach's internal struggle is played out.

Which was also the ending to the first Mad Max film.

He seems to great at visuals which works well with a story already written, but when it comes to him making creative descisions about how the story itself should go, someone else should do that.

Thank you for your work . Breathtaking visuals.

Woah it was awesome man 🔥

I would also argue that if one looks really closely at the panels of Kovacs before and after his transformation, one could perhaps be convinced there is a subtle change in body language.

Jack Earle Haley is mesmerising in this film. So many dimensions to the Rorschach character. All exploited skilfully by Haley.

100% agree

I think Dr. Manhattan is just as captivating of a performance

I tried to read the boys but it too vulgar and tried so hard to be edgy. Very bad comic (imo).

I live inside your house That’s kinda Ennis’ M.O.. it’s basically all he does, hahaha. I honestly put it down myself it’s too edgelord.

@@Imperius__Rex The show tones down many of the "edgy and batshit because we can" components, which grounds the series in a far more believable version of reality. It's still dark, still has plenty of black comedy, but the characters feel a bit more real than their comic versions.

people hate on him as if he likes to murder dogs or some shit

laz kar Never gave a fuck about him and always despised Star Wars, what are you trying to prove?

It's funny because his wife always says that they know they make divisive movies. She said as long as some people like their work they're okay with it.

@laz kar how?

@laz kar I mean there are different interpretions of Supes and Bats. You can hate them or love it, but Star Wars always had one movie serial interpretation. The luke skywalker could never let down someone like ben because he saved his father who was responsible for a fucking genocide and in ep 8 he tries to kill hos nephew because of dark side in his mind. That doesn't make sense in the context of tge saga.

He liked your comment, it’s probably coming

ALEXOP I’m still waiting for “Howard the duck is a masterpiece” 👌

No the predator(2018) is the most piece of shit and garbage in the film, is not a "masterpiece" is just shitting film that's it.

Vicent Serrano It’s a sarcastic video, genius.

@@vicentserrano9268 please go watch Catwoman is a masterpiece and get back to us

Dogs

I absolutely agree, it’s different approaches to a similar end. That’s why the film and graphic novel feel somewhat different despite telling the same story

Idk why ppl see Snyder as an action director. Other than 300 his movies are dramas and thrillers with really good action sequences thrown in haha. Like man of steel is pure character moments until the 3rd act. Watchmen again character drama / neo noir with some action thrown in. BvS is mainly character moments with a total of 3 action scenes haha. Like the man is not an action first director. But I would love to see him either return to a 300 type sword and sandal epic or a pure noir film. Maybe a western could be interesting.

Yea more vídeos like this

I literally just did a few days ago! It's so friggin' great. Wish it was a bit more engaging, though? It's very arthouse, though I dug that about it.

That was an eye twitch

Me too

I appreciate it! 🙏

We spent more than 2 decades talking about the comic. The movie didn't bring anything new to the table, it's just a bad rehash, so it the only people who might talk about it are those who were introduced to Watchmen via the movie, AND liked the somewhat butchered version of the story. I'll be down to talk about the comic for another 50 years, but this movie is just so poor by comparison.

Because there are people who think it's trash. They think that the movie mutilated the comic by the changes that were made. Even the original creator of the comic thinks this way. I'm not one of these people, but there's a lot of hate directed at this movie.

that was an eye twitch

Looks more like a twitch to me.

Not gonna lie mate I think his eye was twitching

HighwayRamos it was a joke, because Hannibal Never blinks too

Meanwhile Hannibal may have idolized Rorschach

when i first saw the scene all i could think was he doesnt deserve it.