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Why Ivysaur Was Terrible in Brawl and How Project M Did Them Justice 

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Ivysaur has to be one of the worst characters in Brawl, here's how they changed for the better in Project M.
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@ZachHonest
@ZachHonest Год назад
Subscribe to the Patreon, I'm wrapping up a video on Smash 4's Custom Moves right now. It's a banger, and it will be up there, as soon as its finished.
@SonicTheCutehog
@SonicTheCutehog Год назад
They made they better, but removed the thing that made them unique. That's why I like how Ultimate handled them.
@mandalorianhunter1
@mandalorianhunter1 Год назад
I played them in Ultimate, I was a Charizard player in 4. I really enjoy playing these guys and I love it. At least Squirtle kept shellshifting in PM where he ended up losing it in Ultimate.
@talkingbenson5487
@talkingbenson5487 Год назад
the pm team did ivy sooooo well. I really love the whole bulb charge/ solar beam mechanic -especially, that you are able to charge your solar beam with certain attacks. Such a cool idea.
@shadownite3378
@shadownite3378 Год назад
without fatigue holding him back, Squirtle would actually be a pretty good character alone. Good frame data, mobility, combo game, and even had a kill throw in down throw. Zard and especially Ivy not so much lmao
@tonberry2670
@tonberry2670 11 месяцев назад
Combo...in Brawl
@shadownite3378
@shadownite3378 11 месяцев назад
@@tonberry2670 As good of a combo game as you can have in that game lmao
@Iso_SSB
@Iso_SSB Год назад
Honest content being honest what a classic
@ZachHonest
@ZachHonest Год назад
I try lol
@Mopsamaxwell
@Mopsamaxwell 11 месяцев назад
@@ZachHonest Honestly, i have never seen a more Honest & Honorable person such as yourself, ZachHonest. And that's the Honest Truth!
@erickgranados6522
@erickgranados6522 Год назад
I loved the video! I'm an Ivysaur main from Mexico and if I were to add 1 detail to the video is in up air that also has a hitbox going down and you can use it to edgeguard. We call it here "La panzita" "The little belly". - Yoru
@ray_1111
@ray_1111 Год назад
Ivysaur is my FAVORITE character in Project M, one of my favorites in the entirety of smash. I have many fond memories of playing PM back in HS with my Ivysaur :)
@RoninCatholic
@RoninCatholic 9 месяцев назад
That Absorb/Synthesis/Solarbeam combination integration makes me want to see a redesigned Ness that integrates his focus on _healing_ PSI powers more instead of it just being that he uses LifeUp simultaneously with PSI Magnet when hit with projectiles.
@RoninCatholic
@RoninCatholic 9 месяцев назад
An issue I'm glad you mentioned with Ivysaur is that Grass type attacks are almost nonexistent to be Squirtle's weakness aside from Ivysaur itself, Water type attacks are also rare to threaten Charizard (Mario's FLUDD and maybe Ice Climbers' attacks?), while Fire attacks are on _all sorts of other characters_ .
@ajko000
@ajko000 8 месяцев назад
Ivy and Mewtwo were the first characters I picked up the basic tech for PM/Melee. I absolutely love Ivy, I just wish Nintendo weren't asses about modded games, I prefer PM/+ simply for Ivy.
@DeathLeprecon
@DeathLeprecon Год назад
The Bulbasaur line is my favorite in Pokemon. So happy that Project M did my boi some justice. Makes me sad that I never played it.
@appliedatoms7066
@appliedatoms7066 Год назад
toon link's milk taunt also heals it in p:m. Did that predate Ivy's rework?
@neyroe
@neyroe Год назад
Hi honest, is there a place where I can dm you ? (other than patreon)
@ZachHonest
@ZachHonest Год назад
Email listed on the channel page
@jvdude9061
@jvdude9061 Год назад
Funnily enough I use to destroy my friends with Ivysaur in Brawl back in the day. I guess kids in my hometown were just terrible at smash
@shiruotakuno28
@shiruotakuno28 5 месяцев назад
I wanna play Project M purely for Ivysaur. My favorite Kanto starter finally got tools more fitting of its grass typing. Seed Bomb is an amazing combo tool that's easy to set up and converge into other powerful attacks, and Synthesis/SolarBeam is a FANTASTIC kill move that feels unique. Best PM character changes ever!!
@nootn00nto
@nootn00nto Год назад
I love obscure fighting game videos from games I have never and will never play keep up the good work
@marcusvinicusvieira8580
@marcusvinicusvieira8580 Год назад
Make a video about Squirtle on P+
@firestorm3k882
@firestorm3k882 11 месяцев назад
Didn't Mew2King once say on his Brawl tier list that Brawl Ivysaur's BEST move was neutral b??? Or am I miss remembering?
@blank_ivysaur
@blank_ivysaur 5 месяцев назад
Yeah he completely missed the point of bullet seed. It’s a frame 1 invincible reversal that does up to 48% on hit and can be used out of hitstun at early percents to directly punish people for hitting her
@TheJayeagle
@TheJayeagle 10 месяцев назад
I'd love to see you talk about Yoshi
@rockyjmoon3
@rockyjmoon3 2 месяца назад
WTF?! I didn’t know about the stamina mechanic!
@kerokerocola99
@kerokerocola99 Год назад
Wasn't the extra "damage" actually knockback?
@SonicTheCutehog
@SonicTheCutehog Год назад
Yes, you took 10% less knockback if you resisted the element and 10% more knockback if you were weak to the element.
@azurda7483
@azurda7483 Год назад
Love your content man, might be my favorite Smash content creator out right now ❤
@ZachHonest
@ZachHonest Год назад
Yo thank you, means a lot!
@wspderek
@wspderek Год назад
love your stuff man
@TheReZisTLust
@TheReZisTLust 11 месяцев назад
In another Universe we have Ash's Bulbasaur, Mewtwos Venusaur & Ash's Charmeleon as our Brawl reps.
@spectra1096
@spectra1096 Месяц назад
Talking about my main lets go
@gallenbr2
@gallenbr2 Год назад
Cara, eu queria tanto jogar o project +, mais toda vez da erro na hora de encontrar o arquivo, sendo complicado demais. Vc teria um donwload queria o mod com a ISO do Brasil pra eu jogar? Eu realmente quero jogar parece legal
@ComboFood
@ComboFood Год назад
Hope he makes a Charizard or Lucario version at some point
@Mepphy99
@Mepphy99 11 месяцев назад
tbh seeing how no one uses charizard in ultimate i'd say stamina was a good though mechanic realized like ass they should have done that but with some reworking
@nosferatunoir2740
@nosferatunoir2740 Год назад
As an Ivy main, this was an insta click on the video
@eliaschukri6216
@eliaschukri6216 Год назад
love the vid man
@windindi2834
@windindi2834 Год назад
My favorite moment is when Ivysaur went "It's Ivyin Time" and Ivysaur'ed all over the stage.
@thefreshexpress8615
@thefreshexpress8615 Год назад
Ha very funny
@windindi2834
@windindi2834 Год назад
@@thefreshexpress8615 My creative genius within the comedy space knows no bounds :P
@i_Inquisitor
@i_Inquisitor 7 месяцев назад
hero down B is a heal
@matt4kz
@matt4kz Год назад
aight bruh im gonna nitpick cuz this was a dope vid on a dope topic, well edited and written, liked subbed and interested in supporting u on patreon. but fam I just want to say the gameplay u keep showing of is taking away from how good this video is lmao. this is only for the sake of constructive criticism that you have no obligation to listen to, but what the actual fuck am I looking at lol
@ZachHonest
@ZachHonest Год назад
fair points but what gameplay do you mean specifically. I respect the point tho.
@locknessmonster3827
@locknessmonster3827 Год назад
I hate to talk about pokemon pronouns, but all pokemon, unless designated, are referred to as "it", not "them." Jigg is referred to as a her since the majority of Jigs are female.
@TheReZisTLust
@TheReZisTLust 11 месяцев назад
Technically them can work in Exeggcute if you count as a group and the I think it's name is tandemouse is multiple mice so them as well.
@connoromalley4004
@connoromalley4004 9 месяцев назад
Then wouldn't ivysaur be "he" because the majority of ivysaurs are male?
@gravityvertigo13579
@gravityvertigo13579 Год назад
Yesss I love Ivy, great video
@kazuyakiryu3014
@kazuyakiryu3014 Год назад
Brawl Pokemon Trainer is like if a moveset made by BrawlFan1 actually got into a game
@infernoking4857
@infernoking4857 10 месяцев назад
Fr, BrawlFan1 concepts are questionable design wise
@144pultrahd
@144pultrahd Год назад
he does like zero damage in brawl
@juanpi_omg
@juanpi_omg Год назад
I love these videos
@Kool212
@Kool212 Год назад
Finally my main.
@denzeltheeternalunderstudy2858
I’d say Ivy is the worst character in Brawl and the entire smash series.
@tobin2.0
@tobin2.0 Год назад
MewtwoKing agrees
@tobin2.0
@tobin2.0 Год назад
God i hate brawl
@Pudcup
@Pudcup 11 месяцев назад
But he's soooooo good in Ultimate tho.
@juanluisisaiasgameplays6604
@juanluisisaiasgameplays6604 10 месяцев назад
Worst than Ganondorf?
@OUTOFSTAR365
@OUTOFSTAR365 10 месяцев назад
64 link Melee bowser brawl ivisaur smash 4 jigglypuff ultimate little mac
@Monhamd1000
@Monhamd1000 Год назад
The trainer doesn't need to be there though.
@joseruiz5161
@joseruiz5161 11 месяцев назад
They should've kept them together and do what they did in ultimate
@Jekuma
@Jekuma 11 месяцев назад
The changes done to them predated Ultimate by a lot of years and the devs made it clear that they want to be very conservative in the changes they make to Project M outside of balancing.
@115zombies935
@115zombies935 10 месяцев назад
Nah, that would be an unnecessary nerf to each character
@NigelThrashner
@NigelThrashner 11 месяцев назад
I think Brawl ivysaur is a girl 😳. I dunno about PM.
@HhhhMmmm-hs1sk
@HhhhMmmm-hs1sk Год назад
He is super super weak
@SpiralPoliFemboy
@SpiralPoliFemboy 11 месяцев назад
Ivysaur never felt bad in Brawl. I've always used him to great success.
@TONyjustRoCks
@TONyjustRoCks Год назад
PSA: I do not care what your beliefs or leanings are. STOP referring to (singular) Pokemon as "they" when historically and canonically Pokemon were/are referred to as "it." If you care that much to modulate pronouns, then do it right(or perhaps you just lazily slap "they" on everything now which is kinda ironic). There is only 1 Ivysaur in Smash. Pokemon are not people, they are fictional creatures. See, I just used it properly. Ivysaur is an "it."
@emilyharrison5109
@emilyharrison5109 Год назад
I disagree, the only Pokemon that are considered "its" are legendary Pokemon (Mewtwo, Mew, Arceus,) otherwise most of them can be either Male or Female. Ivysaur can be Male and Female in the Pokemon Games.
@windindi2834
@windindi2834 Год назад
Jokes on you. The PM team confirmed Ivysaur is female.
@TONyjustRoCks
@TONyjustRoCks Год назад
Responding again, because I think my comment got deleted for posting a spaced-out link. Firstly, you can't disagree with the history, nor Nintendo. Go boot up Smash, go to the Tips section, and check Greninja, Incineroar, and Pokemon Trainer. The pronoun "it" is used *exclusively*, not "they/themselves." Not merely Legendaries. Proof is at your fingertips. This pronoun usage didn't begin with Smash Ultimate either, nor did Sakurai invent it. Historically, a singular Pokemon of indescript gender is always referred to as an "it", and most older gamers know this. We've played the games. Ivysaur is a singular Pokemon of indescript gender, thus canonically the proper pronoun usage is to refer to it as an "it." The person in this video is effectively canonically "misgendering" Ivysaur. Also, PM devs opinions do not matter. It is the same model of Brawl Ivysaur, an "it." If they want to make their own universe or lore in PM, that's fine but don't pretend it is authoritarive on Nintendo IP. And if Ivysaur is arbitrarily called a "she" by devs, then the person in this video is still "misgendering". Feel free to google "Ivysaur pokedex entry" and read it. The pronouns are exclusively "it." I shouldn't need to expound any more.
@gridenboat
@gridenboat Год назад
​@@TONyjustRoCks Idk what you are talking about Ivysaur as a fictional species similar to some of are own has the biological gender of male and female as it can reproduce it its same egg group the PM dev team thought it would be a fun Idea to make the character female IDK why and I really don't care as it is FICTION and it has been depicted as being male or female in multiple other media (eg pokemon anime, manga, and other spin-offs) it is not the case where Ivysaur is specificly a character with non-binary pronouns (eg Testament from Guilty Gear) or is a race that does not have a gender (eg the Chimera Ants from Hunter X Hunter) it is a gender race and the people that while not the creator's of the character created a specific version that is female like the Pokemon Comany, Gamefreak, and Nintendo do sorry for my shitty grammar hope you understand what I am saying and have a good day
@lorddirt5532
@lorddirt5532 Год назад
I was wondering if anybody else noticed that lol. Kinda weird.
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