Honestly another big thing that makes it hard for judo to grow on social media is that there's such a culture of elitism in it. It's great that we strive for perfection, but I've posted my throws in videos on Facebook groups before and received nothing but hate like 'is that really a brown belt? How shameful, etc.' We need to be more supportive and constructive
In france before black belt u're a beginner , i'm a green belt and i sometimes beat some brown belt with weird throw , but on average peope are happy to see u come often and try hard
@@ryanwilliams9984funny you mention that. Travis stevens said that he did a clinic doing unconventional grips and the instructors were like nah don’t do this. To the students!
I think something that can really help Judo is if trainers look into physio and injury prevention courses. Learning and teaching all the best exercises to keep judo players from trashing their bodies. Additionally, I notice Japanese Judo tends to be more technique oriented and well timed. They tend to wait for kuzushi instead of forcing a throw. It's a wise approach tactically, but also for safety. They seem to do judo well into their senior years, and i think technique has a lot to do with it. Proper form applies to any form of lifting.
MY BJJ gym has paired up with a local Judo gym and now offers a Judo class on a Friday evening. It doesn't cost anything extra as the Judo class is included in the BJJ membership. I'd say that's the way to go for Judo. MMA has made BJJ crazy popular. Rather than Judo trying to compete against that, it needs to get in with it and promote how Judo will blend with BJJ
Completely agree that BJJ gatewayed me back to judo. I did judo as a kid like a lot of Western kids, but didn’t really get it and dropped away. I’ve gotten into BJJ as a Masters athlete, love the gi and that has led to several of us getting into judo for its own sake. Our BJJ club now has a judo club with people competing in both sports.
I coach a judo club at a mid sized Midwestern university in the middle of corn fields. The nearest judo dojo is 48 miles away. I have to compete with a whole boatload of organizations that students can choose from. We work out in the wrestling practice room which is cavernous. I wish I could fill it.
Another thing BJJ has that Judo hasn’t capitalized on is its recent exposure in pop culture via Joe Rogan, Jocko, even Zuckerberg and other celebrities are BJJ practitioners now. Judo needs to jump on that train as at least as a good complimentary art to BJJ.
I think this is a very American thing. Over the pond in Scandinavia, Europe where I live, Judo was (and prbably still is where available) the friendliest and most down-to-earth type of martial art you can practice. It is only elite-level for those who want to and not completely just "aim for the big medals". Then it simply got outcompeted totally by BJJ, by the mystique after MMA and so few Judo clubs are still around. But my impression of the BJJ clubs I visited and tried to put my son in, is that it is far more "respect" and hierarchy, but in a Brazilian macho way, instead of a Japanese sensei style, but far from the welcoming and friendly than what I encountered in Judo. At least that is what Judo used to be. Now I have a hard time finding a club that doesn't just do kids classes (which are still great) and competition oriented classes for 15-25 year olds. I cannot find an adult class for normies within distance.
Your not wrong, it is an "American thing" Every American HS has a folkstyle wrestling team that's either free to join or less than $100 for the year, something briefly mentioned in the video. It makes zero sense for a parent in the US to pay a dojo $100-$200 dollars a month when their kids can just join the school's wrestling team where every Judo throw is also legal and taught without a gi. Furthermore, American folk style is the base martial with the most UFC champions so Americans with an interest in grappling sports just don't see a point in learning Judo. Sadly, Judo lost it's effectiveness when wrestling take downs where removed. Bringing them back would probably increase Judos popularity in the US
I really want to learn judo. The problem is there is no schools within a reasonable distance in any sense for me. The last time I looked, I think the nearest school was 3 - 4 hours away. So I have had to go to BJJ instead. I found those classes to be somewhat frustrating at times because the stand up grappling and takedown portion of the game was effectively an after thought if it was addressed at all.
Bjj stance on stand up Is literally judo is perfect we focus on 99% groundwork… Judo is super popular in Brazil more so then bjj so it’s easy to train both
@@VTdarkangel yeah, after moving to canada im in a similar situation it totally sucks. what about wrestling? ... yeah i was only trying to explain why you felt the art is incomplete ( like zero takedowns ),, its actually a hyper focused judo (on the ne waza/ground work) and its actually was kinda expected you to already knew or took judo for the takedown aspects.. so when imported to new students who became teachers and then again.. the takedowns were lost and it feels (it actually is for many gyms) incomplete ... if you learn from a bjj instructor look for 'professors' that do stand up takedowns like claudio casalans or jacare ( both judo black belts).. still being careful is best. simply learning a throw wrong can have a training partner break you leg and it happens alot with bjj guys trying judo without knowing how dangerous it is
@user-vc6 I've done a little bit of wrestling, and there is some benefit there. However, in my experience, the game has gotten so sport focused and on getting the pin that much of the martial aspect has been lost. Things like the focus on shooting for someone's leg make me a little nervous about taking a knee to the face. Perhaps my perspective is still a bit shallow because I haven't done enough wrestling, but I'm also not so sure where to find good wrestling classes. I know that at my school, finding someone interested in practicing takedowns is difficult.
This wasn't my experience at all. There are tons of judo clubs, but by and large, they generally didn't really care much about really teaching judo. Most of the classes barely bothered actually teaching anything. Hell a good third of the classes were spent playing football/soccer. Most of the time, the black belts just trained with each other and everyone just had to fend for themselves.
I train at a BJJ school where the head instructor is a world champion and also a judo brown belt. Our adult gi classes are divided into 3 categories. Fundamentals/beginners class, advanced class & the black belt program. All three classes have heavy emphasis on stand-up (judo/wrestling) techniques. It makes up a third of every class. It's what we drill the most other than guard passing. Fundamentals students can learn and drill judo throws but are not allowed to use them in live sparring. Advanced students all start sparring on their knees but are allowed to do throws or pull guard if the roll naturally progresses to standing. In the black belt program, all sparring starts in the standing position and you're not allowed to pull guard so you're forced to learn/use judo or you won't be rolling. You have to earn your newaza. I absolutely love this approach. You get the best of both worlds. 🥋✌🏼
That's how BJJ was Pre-2001 (turn of this century). Too many BJJ Schools on focus on building up to MMA, which from 2001 to Present, is based on rule sets that favor Wrestling (US NCAA Wrestling) and striking.
My son has been doing judo for 10 years and I am a Bjj black belt and 100% agree with everything you said and have thought it for a while. Judo should be so much more prevalent in the US and Aus (where I am). Another two things is the belt system primarily adult v junior, so when you are an adult amateurs compete it makes the weird. Also the nogi side and the pro circuit that developed from it. I would love more nogi judo to be taught. Great podcast ✊🏼
I'm in Aus too, thinking of picking up judo as an adult now (34). Bjj experience about 6 years, a blue belt currently. What do you think it's like as an adult picking up Judo in Aus/NSW, and who'd like to compete from time to time?
@@supplemarmot1244I know you didn't ask, but my opinion is that you should give judo a go. I've been doing it 11 years, since I was 11, so I can't speak personally about starting later, but it's something you should try. A lot of older people I train with find it hard to adjust to being thrown, having grips broken and being bumped (failed foot sweeps, etc). But if you stick with it, you will enjoy it, you'll just have to give it time. Not just a couple of weeks, but long enough for your body to adjust. Hope this helps
I'll make this comparison: Judo is like surfing, BJJ is like snowboarding. If you have practised all four, you know the difference. Judo and BJJ are both great but BJJ basics are much more easier to get than Judo basics. Same thing with Surfing and Snowboarding. I'm not talking about kids or super athletic people, I'm talking regular persons with decent athletic skills.
I’ve been training bjj for almost 14 years now, but I’ve always had a strong interest in judo. (Huge credit to Shintaro’s RU-vid content for helping me make my crappy bjj ‘judo’ kinda work on people.) I’ve thought about training at the Obukan judo club here in Portland, and I’ve stopped in several times to watch. They’re super nice guys, but the curriculum is strictly Kodokan, sport-focused and therefore probably not very translatable to my main sport due to all of the gripping rules. I really should just get over that mental block, but it’s there nonetheless. But that’s why I like Shintaro’s content so much-it’s much broader, open, and dynamic. I think the best way to popularize judo is probably through bjj (and mma) by offering a more adaptable version of judo. A version that’s a little less focused on getting that perfect, clean ippon, and maybe a little more focused on situational adaptability. My 2 cents.
I would go for it. I've been doing judo for a few years, and on my off season spent some time in BJJ. The BJJ guys realized right away even in no gi that I had done something before and my base and pressure were noted right away. Their is lots of carry over. My dojo practices sports rules, but you still learn tons of gripping and breaks, principles are still transferable, and most BJJ guys can't grip anyways so no problems there.
Keep In mind majority pf wrestling, judo, bjj has the same techniques just called different besides bjj came from judo find a school that does wazza if you are a bjj guy then u will have fun with that
Hi. If you live in PDX and looking for judo/bjj, there is a place in NW, they used to be called Portland Judo, I think they have a new name now. But great group of people, and they do judo and bjj. I enjoyed my time there when I was in the area.
You should launch a PR crusade against BJJ butt scooters who pull guard all the time… “You don’t have to scoot your butt, come learn Judo!” Maybe there’s a cartoon with a bjj guy who’s wincing from matt burn on his butt from scooting. I really hope someone does this I need this in my life.
I started in BJJ in 2017 and quickly found out that what I was really most interested in was judo. Following a break, a return, and an extended hiatus due to the pandemic, I've been trying to get back into grappling, and in addition to hopefully starting judo soon, I've fallen head over heels into the amateur sumo community in the US, with the hope that there's some cross-pollination in grappling skills between the two that will carry me forward and improve my grappling. I can't help but get this feeling that judo is absolutely the underdog of the three, as you mentioned, and I hope that can change in the near future. Amateur sumo unfortunately doesn't even really currently make sense to include in the discussion, but perhaps in the future we can get an American banzuke and something will change there.
Sounds similar to me. Did bjj before the pandemic. Never went back but went to a judo school as it was a hell of a lot cheaper and found it more interesting. Nothing against bjj just fell for the judo bug
People always say "wrestling is the number 1 background art for MMA!" And I'm like... that's because it's scholastic. Any small town in America you flip over a rock and 3 wrestlers will pop out and tell you how close they got to states.
It seems as though Judo and Wrestling, require one to be strong and reasonably Athletic. Also, it is apparent that very few people, especially adults, enjoy being thrown. Nothing really hard can be that popular. Therefore, to acquire and keep students, it becomes much softer. It has to really. BJJ is becoming the new Aikido or TKD. Bring on the daycare and aftercare programs. Popularity destroys everything in the end. Most people do these things as hobbies and are not going to be serious competitors. They can’t have injuries. They have to work, take kids to piano lessons and soccer practice., etc. Your points are great, and I have never found a solution to making a hard sport popular unless money and or scholarships are involved. Excellent video. Thanks you.
As someone who started judo in my late 20's and had dabbled in just about every art except for wrestling and Sambo prior, judo is by far the hardest sport/Martial Art I've done in my life. I've seen so many people from other sports or arts come in and just be dead during and after a judo practice. It's really not for everyone, and the injuries that happen are pretty catastrophic. Especially in the states without universal healthcare I'd be worried about doing it. Also judo has like zero room for error on matches and sparring. That's very tough for some people to get through. I wish it was so much more popular even in my country. But everyone I invite to the dojo never comes back because it's too exhausting/rough.
I'm listening to this and am gobsmacked. This couldn't be any more different to Europe. In Europe judo is so accessible with clubs everywhere. It's a fraction of the price of BJJ, and in a ranking competition you will very often get squad judo players (usual fighting off for gold 😅). Squad players will regularly come down to take a session even at a lower level club. There is very little ego amongst Judo players at all ranks. Judo is a humble sport and perhaps that philosophy doesn't lend itself to how things are in the US? Saying that, it does sound like there may be some issues with the way it's promoted by the US judo association from what's being said. As for the language barrier, you really don't have to speak the language to train, I used to take my gi on holiday, and have always been able to follow what's going on.
Why does Judo suck? Because it's always sudden death victory. Imagine if a basketball game was over after the first goal. Basketball would suck too. I know the Japanese like that kind of ruleset but a lot of the west doesn't like sudden death unless for a tie breaker.
The problem is. Judo is mostly recreational, i mean there are some for profit organizations with better facilities. But BJJ has been highly commercialized, as the go to base for ground fighting in MMA, so even the most cheapest BJJ school prices are expensive and with fees being soo expensive.. the expectation for better facilities are there. While judo is associated to some old run down traditional place with tatami mats and cheaper fees for students.
The toughest guys I've ever met were at wrestling mentality and physically. The judo club I train at is very technical and welcoming, very nice people but not that big. I've trained Brazilian jiu-jitsu for five years trained in Brazil once for two and a half months .was a very good experience and good training with multiple black belts and high-level competitors. Now......... Bjj, I have met some very nice people, but....I don't know what it is about Brazilian jiu-jitsu, but I've met some of the BIGGEST weirdo freaks wannabe tough guy's creeps Cultsh behavior back stabing people straight out lying scumbag control freaks. Honestly, I enjoy Brazilian jiu-jitsu. I would love to train catch wrestling some Sambo, but you have to make do with what is available.
In my town, there’s a huge Gracie Barra Jiu Jitsu academy with a state of the art gym and lots of people who go to it. My dojo is a small hut with nothing but mats and a maximum of about 15 people showing up for a training session, but I don’t care. I just want to do Judo and not BJJ. There’s lots of black belts and a very knowledgeable sensei at my club, and that’s all you need. I respect BJJ, but if that’s why people choose it over Judo then I don’t understand the reasoning. Can forget all the social media likes because at the end of the day ,that doesn’t make or break a martial art.
I wouldn’t say Judo devolved even though it lost a lot of techniques, but rather it branched off and made its upper body throws more technical and modified it’s leg grabs to suit the current judo. Two examples are kata guruma/fireman’s carry or the kouchi-makikomi. Kind of like how in Pokémon, a monster could choose one of its multiple evolutions (Eevee for example) and it doesn’t necessarily become bad, but better in its own aspect. Just look at how wrestlers and BJJ guys always admire Judo throws even though it has “devolved.”
My original instructor taught judo techniques as part of the basic curriculum and I've always loved it. But, as you say here, it can be hard to even find a dojo here in the US. I've had a ton of conversations with other BJJ guys about how we'd like to train Judo as well. I wonder if part of growing the sport could be introducing Judo classes at BJJ schools where there is an interest.
One contrast I’ve noticed since coming to Judo a few years ago is that there’s a lot more BJJ guys who emphasize innovation. Think about some of the titles of videos in BJJ, “don’t get left behind,” and “this guy is changing BJJ” and “new wave.” Not that nobody innovates in judo, but it ought to be marketed!
I am 49 years old and I am a white belt in judo it's a good excersize I enjoy the work our my club is very safe we do an hour of nage waza and 30 min of ne waza .
I think BJJ should be rebranded tbh, most modern BJJ schools provide a mixture of grappling arts, any decent school will teach wrestling, judo, and BJJ. There are no rules to where BJJ can go, Judo as it's own isolated martial art has already reached it's peak.
If Judo returns to its original values and original purpose, self defense and the martial art…if we offer Judo for all people not just the athletes and younger people, we should tailor for the older practitioner, tailor for the hobbyist and professionals in a safer way, doing more Kata and drills… the art Judo is an amazing art.
I begin my first Judo class in 2 weeks. I’m so excited to begin. I haven’t taken any other MMA classes before. It’ll be my introduction into the combative sport world. I’m 22 and work every day (ironworker) but I’ve been making time for a head start on conditioning. Run a mile after work for cardio Calisthenics for muscle growth Any advice for getting my body and mind ready for class be greatly appreciated!
I started judo at the age of 15 and am now 72. Still in great shape. In real life, imagine being slammed on concrete and you might fall on top of him. It's extremely brutal. Judo also has arm bars, wrist locks, leg locks, choking and grappling. Judo means the "gentle way." There is nothing gentle about it. I'm 5'4" which gives me a great advantage. I got to workout with the all Japan team! What an experience! I was attacked once in my life and it was over with quickly. In most cases, a martial artist won't be fighting another martial artist on the street. A judoka might be going against an unexperienced fighter. There are some brutal throws illegal in sport judo, e.g., Olympics. A judoka must also be in extremely great shape, e.g., weight training, aerobics.
I think you guys missed to focus more on a lot of points on explaining the difference in BJJ and Judo. 1) exposure through MMA for so many years 2) BJJ keeps evolving into American JJ producing champions like Gordon Ryan. Of course the wrestling tradition in the USA helped. It’s becoming local. Judo is too Japanese. 3) BJJ has many different rule sets (EBI, combat, AdCC, etc) and different styles. 4) BJJ has steroids everywhere 5) everyone made money from online courses. So it became through internet more accessible. Etc. it helped people to get more knowledge Etc. Judo sucks because it’s an Olympic sport not evolving. Everything that becomes an Olympic sport gets f…up.
@@jojojojo6253 yes and its because of people that think like you that judo is dying being the "father" of anything/anyone doesn mean you're entitled to stay on top forever lol
It's time to reunite Judo and Jiujitsu. We can have a conversation about the ruleset sure, but everyone involved would benefit from getting to train both arts without having to pay two tuitions. Outside of the Olympics, grappling arts are homogenizing and Judo not being a part of the equation means grapplers are missing out. No-gi Judo would be SO popular in the US. Why is it not an option anywhere? At BJJ schools you have wrestlers teaching wrestling classes, where are the Judo classes? There's definitely demand for it.
I truly wish I had studied judo now that I am in BJJ. I have five black belts, but not in judo. I used to think it was a sport and useless to my law enforcement and military careers. Boy, was I wrong, and I wish I had studied it when I was young. I had no idea how valuable it really was for the streets and my work. Now I am too old (60) with one replaced knee and the other too bad to practice it now.
Judo is based on self development, care for others and respect. Therefore, if it’s not becoming popular on social media then I contend that the problem is clearly not with judo, it’s with social media.
One of Kale Sanderson’s team mates is a black belt in BJJ. (He also has a photographic memory) The intensity and control he has is amazing. And very cool. Most people in our gym (Unified in SLC) want more judo to improve their standing game. Being well rounded in your hand to hand martial arts is important. Just like skipping leg days, can’t skip striking for grappling. Can’t skip gra-pling for striking.
Jiu Jitsu is way more "40-something-with-money" friendly. Can be practiced somewhat safely and still provide a lot of confidence, gradual advancement, and skill (in relative terms, age and body adjusted). Judo is scary for that same crowd. It is badass, effective, tough. But scary for someone who has to put on a suit and walk to work, knees and all intact
Hi all. My two cents: When it comes to access to champions, you cannot compare bjj and judo. In every bjj’s weight category there are champions of different ranks: white, blue, purple, brown, and black belts. Additionally, there are age categories, where there are also champions of different ranks. In contrast, in judo, each category has only one world champion. I agree that judo champions do not conduct seminars and camps. This is for one reason: the world competition is so strong that they cannot afford losing the time. Lifespan of judo champion isn’t that long compared to bjj champions due to extreme high competition With all respect to BJJ fighters, the level of sport performance is totally different and incomparable between them and judokas. To become a judo champion takes more than bjj.
True, TODAY'S JUDO is so watered down that "sucks" is a compliment. So many goofy rules today makes real bad ass judoka sick. Soon we will be seeing judo matches with the fighters wearing helmets, gloves, chest protectors and shin guards, plus pink ballerina slippers. It seems like every day we're hearing about this or that technique being banned because it is "too dangerous". I fought in the bad ass days of the 1960s. I was good, but not great. I only got to the Nationals once and the best I could do was come out fifth in the Open Weight division. I missed the podium. But the guys who got there were animals. Judo then was more like Kano JuJitsu than today's ultra restricted matches.
The reason BJJ exploded is because of the UFC. The Gracies invested a lot of money to make sure BJJ could be exposed to the world as a viable martial art and, it paid off. Wrestling is an integral sport at the high school and colegial level in the United States. Judo has never had a large movement to push for its mainstream acceptance.
What you describe as non-existent, or existing in a micro-scale level in the US have existed in Europe since 1950-60. The development of Judo in Europe was heavily supported by Japanese teachers. Why the same didn't happen in the US ? What's the US judo federation doing ?
grass roots. so, kiddies after-school programs with government subsidies for low income parents and appeal to the non-competitor adult. The greater percentage of people training aren’t competitors, but they pay fees and the more fee payers allows for more tournaments. Even having more novice division tournaments.
It's even worse for Kosen Judo!! Took a few classes while I was stationed at Camp Fuji and fell in love lol. Couldn't and still can't find anything here in the states.
Kosen Judo still exists in Japan? My HS Wrestling Coach was a 2nd Dan/Level Black Belt. His Instructor (Japanese Immigrant) at the Academy he went to was a Kosen Judo Master.
It's truly unfortunate how certain martial arts and even certain techniques within martial arts get more attention and popularity, not based on the merit of the art/technique...but purely based on marketing, politics, a sport ruleset, even some cultish aspects, etc... Probably one of the most disheartening thing I've come to learn about martial arts.
I think Judo and the traditionalism of Judo also fundamentally misunderstands American culture - which is why it hasn't taken off here. Americans, for all of our faults, are generally exceptional at figuring out better ways to do things. American creativity and innovation is second to none. We are not always the best at actually doing the work, but we are always the best in how we "think" about the work. Next, winning is deeply rooted into American culture. BUT, we also love a good challenge. Combine these various things and you get a population of people who are well suited to figuring out new and better ways to win. We're willing to try new things to gain advantages and are quick to throw away old things that don't work well. Our guiding North Star is always performance. We will only do things a certain way until a better way is found. This goes against most everything in Judo. The traditionalism and adherence to social custom that runs deeply through Judo and other 'traditional' martial arts is a huge turn-off for Americans because it fundamentally prevents growth and pushing boundaries of the sports. Its a HUGE turn-off for Americans when we hear things like the IJF changing the rules of the sport because they didn't like losing to a style that they couldn't beat. To us that looks like running away from the truth to protect your own egos. BJJ and wrestling, on the other hand have a completely opposite approach. They celebrate new ways of doing things because it allows them to gain an advantage. As soon as a better way is found the old things get thrown out and our sports move on. Until Judo can modernize its culture it will never resonate with Americans.
TL;DW: They say Judo sucks because 1) There's no intermingling. Judokas are inaccessible because 2) It's dangerous 3) Most importantly, there''s no validation and love in the community (unlike the JJ community), and finally 4) Dojo owners do not grow thier dojos? Not educated to do so. Therefor, promotion of Judo is lacking
Another issue is specialization. How many gyms exist with ONLY Jiu Jitsu? Vs “Gi, nogi, and kick boxing” or “MMA school, Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai here” only reason I even started my current Judo gym is because their website said judo, Jiu Jitsu, and wrestling. If you can cast a wider net you’ll attract more people. Lots of MMA guys want to do Judo but aren’t willing to lose Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai from their training to learn it. If you could have more judo in MMA gyms more people would do it.
The formality in judo is the biggest thing working against it in the US, It's that slice of Japanese culture that doesn't really align with American sensibilities The "proper etiquette" And it's not really even a Japanese thing it's a judo thing, I feel more comfortable training BJJ in Japan then I do judo in the US. The whole thing is just so much more relaxed. It's so rigid you feel on edge the entire time everyone is quiet and completely focused when sense is talking and make sure you don't accidentally walk in front of someone or turn your back to the wrong person or face in the wrong direction or not bow properly blah blah blah. Or else you get a lecture about Japanese culture from a guy that can't even pronounce the name of the moves hes teaching correctly Meanwhile go do some BJJ in Tokyo and guys are laying around on the mat bullshitting and having a good time
Injury prevention and highlighting how much sambo/judo is used in ufc and bring it in to bjj gyms. My bjj gym teaches takedowns but I’d like to learn more from judo/sambo/wrestling professionals from this
I’m from Italy. Judo is huge here, you can find a gym everywhere. I suppose Judo in the US suffered the presence of school wrestling. Why should a kid learn judo somewhere else if he has wrestling in his school? The awkward thing is that here in Italy where wrestling is practiced since before the Roman Empire, is extremely hard to find a gym!
Shintaro, you also described issues with weightlifting, powerlifting, & strongman. Olympic lifting is dead in america because the greats are inaccessible, gyms are hard to find, and high barrier to entry(okay a lot more but just to highlight your points). But you can go to some of these powerlifting or strongman gyms and meet those people. Powerlifting also has that accessibility edge for the demographic of people youre talking about - adults with disposable income. Those people populate the gyms, give coaches jobs, and go to local and state-level competitions. Watching powerlifting is like watching paint dry for anyone who isn't a powerlifter. I think Strongman has the best blend of everything, which is why its on ESPN and you can barely find a stream for powerlifting. It knows exactly what it is, and does not bend its will to try to fit into the olympics (powerlifting is and its not going well). I pretty much agreed with a lot of your points I dont think I have all the answers but I think if outreach is the goal we definitely have to mess with the rules and how competitions are run.
Judo doesn't suck it is just for a certain category of people.Jiu Jitsu is almost for everyone .I don't know how many Jiu Jitsu amateurs would love to deal with throws .
Because Kimura sensei it's not alive when UFC 1 appears, if he's Alive and in his Prime he destroy the Family Gracie again and the whole world would practice Judo today.
In other countries judo is included in many games meets also there are regionals and nationals regularly, not to mention the special events in Mexico and Cuba etc. But point made, the countries that have it in most schools have a ready made fan base. I personally believe that the rule sets need looking at and Worllds is now only for the top 100 in ranks.
Great perspective, I am not so sure that Judo is more dangerous than BJJ in the long-term. Seems to me it requires the person to be in better physical condition to do it safely and there is a higher barrier to entry, but the modern rule set actually makes it safer if you're properly prepared. Just as with BJJ, how and who you train with is most important. Both arts should cater to hobbyists but let's keep our perspective - that's not the primary issue for Judo in the US. I don't know any place that has Wrestling for adults, yet Wrestling is very popular. Also, Judo is equally hard on the body across the world, yet it is very popular outside the US. Every long-term BJJ guy that I know or seen on youtube is banged up and there is definitely false advertising when it comes to safety of BJJ, particularly for the 35+ crowd. Theoretically, it can be trained safely, but that's not what happens at the vast majority of gyms. I think this will comeback to bite them.
I think judo is safe but there is too much support toward the Olympic movement. IJF judo is not judo but people care about medals and titles. Competency as instructors, teachers, senior students in the art form is different than collecting medals. Increasing standards for belt ranks may be a good start. Quality is important.
Wrestling is big in the US because it is tied in with schools. BJJ is big in the US thanks to its ties to MMA. Judo has neither affiliation in the US despite greater global popularity. Greco Roman wrestling struggles for similar reasons as Judo in the US - it’s not similar enough to folkstyle to gather easy American interest. Honestly I wonder if Judo and Greco should partner up.
I think something that would help Judo grow is to Judo to target applications towards MMA. The strict sport rules of Judo are a limiting factor affecting that though. I am not familiar with Judo rules but you cannot grab legs or do leglocks is that correct? I think this makes Judo not appeal to MMA fans. There are TONS of MMA fans and many people walk into Brazilian Jiu Jitsu classes just from watching UFC the weekend before. Even so I imagine Judo schools would get more attention if they catered to MMA fans.
So you would add leglocks to judo? That would attract the MMA fans? Or is there more required? Judo doesn't practice its leg locks in sparring or comp because it's very concerned with safety and a shredded knee is debilitating. They also don't want kids to imitate certain techniques. But seriously, what else should judo change to appeal to MMA fans. I do judo and I'm an MMA fan btw.
@@gajorg69 I absolutely agree with your sentiment about the dangers of leglocks. And adding it to Judo would likely have little value. But leg grabbing seems essential for adding more "wrestling" to some variation of judo. Maybe Nogi judo has a chance to take off? Leg grabbing is likely excluded from sport Judo for a good reason. Judokas and BJJ fighters should be able to handle a white belt off the street who shows up off the street with a rashguard and shorts and not require them to put on a jacket. And it is very reasonable to tell the white belt that hell hooks are banned. And anyone who ignores that should be shown the door. I honestly don't really know what judo could do to attract more MMA fans. I have been doing no-gi ju jitsu for a while now but I have zero MMA experience just a few Muay Thai classes. I just noticed a lot of people coming through my jiu jitsu classes who were big UFC fans and a good number of MMA fighters. It might be as simple as as school putting MMA in their marketing and stating that judo has many useful elements that would help MMA fighters get better. And that would not be a stretch at all. So it seems some elements of BJJ and Nogi BJJ could be beneficial to Judo and definitely BJJ needs a lot more Judo since too many BJJ guys have trashy top games. Cheers!
Valid, I feel like I am older than these two, did Judo and Jujitsu pre-UFC with Grace. Umm even then it wasn’t like an intense shift, like 12 people in our classes to like 20. Heck people then would see my Gi and make comments like “throws? Like what Steven Sigil does?” 😂
It's hard to compare the US to a lot of other nations (especially Japan, some former Warsaw Pact and Soviet nations, France and The Netherlands) where Judo occupies the same kind of space wrestling does here - a lot easier to open and maintain clubs when a much larger chunk of your population grew up doing Judo at sporting academies and through public school...it's like asking "why isn't Japan as good at Basketball or Wrestling as the US tends to be?"... That isn't the ENTIRE issue, but I think that is the root cause and also it now has to compete with BJJ, which to someone with no experience with grappling that wants to train seems very similar, so naturally you just lose some potential Judo players to BJJ clubs because a BJJ club is closer, has more convenient hours, etc.
I also practice goju ryu karate do I am a brown belt I do both for self defense, yes tournament are fine but really why do this exercise and self defense. Emotional control ect.
Shintaro, your problem is that you want to "break out" of your place in the world of martial arts. Sensei Fumio Demura (May he rest in peace) NEVER had this problem. He knew the value of the insular world of the martial arts. He moved from Japan to the US, and became famous in the world of "Karate" among the practitioners via Black Belt Magazine and Ohara publications and led a GREAT life. "Know your place" is NOT something that Americans want to hear but it is something that the Japanese live by. And I KNOW that you know this. Many people reading this will not like it. Maybe as an American, you won't either. But I can tell from the eight three to four-month stays at the Kodakan in Tokyo, that the senseis and the Judoka there are happy Being alive and doing Judo. They don't suffer from not being famous. You are running a business, so you NEED the fame and growth, but PLEASE realize the difference between the two, so that you can return to a place of of calm and satisfaction from your Judo. いかなる侮辱も許してください。 ありがとう。 あなたのビデオをとても楽しんでいます。 さようなら
Ask yourself from an outside perspective what is judo. Most people will say , dance around until someone falls or gets tripped then they stand up. Then ask yourself from an outsider perspective do most people want to pay money and time to dance around until someone falls down. Tell the Olympics to kick rocks and bring back all aspects of judo including ne waza and showcase all that judo can offer, you know the real original bjj.
And they don’t ever operate as a business. It’s always a club and they never want to even slightly grow themselves. And unfortunately the closed mind from judo is sad. We do both but push more BJJ, wrestling etc etc
