Why Kris Yells after beating Spamton Neo (Pacifist Post Fight Dialogue) 

We learned two very, VERY important things in this scene. 1, Kris can yell. And 2, Kris can smile.

This whole scene is just another reminder that Kris is their own character seperate from the choices made by the player because despite your choice here, kris isn't okay and is upset and disturbed by spamton, what he says and much Kris could possibly relate to spamton.

"That got Kris smiling" So Kris DOES have an expression and doesn't just have an emotionless stare 24/7. We just (for some reason) can't see it

The line about Kris wanting Susie’s jacket is also further proof that Kris prefers Susie over the others regardless of the player’s input. When being asked about who they would take to the festival, Susie is the only option that Kris responds to truthfully. Choosing Ralsei or Noelle causes Kris to respond with a confused tone because that isn’t what they really want to say.

Honestly, Its very interesting and eerie seeing how Toby can make a game where it is very obvious that the player and the protagonist are not one and the same, but still share the same body

There was a theory posted on reddit about this that I really have started to prefer Kris is obviously not okay after that boss fight. And Kris's situation of being controlled by us and being unable to resist us really resonated with Spamton calling Kris a puppet. So that frustration naturally manifests when we select "yes". But when we select "no"? That's not just Kris agreeing with us. Kris is so caught off guard by being allowed to express what they truly feel that it all just comes out as yelling. They were trying so hard to push out that "NO" that when they were allowed to say it, it was at a volume they couldn't even control.

Susie was such a good friend in this chapter.

Everyone talks about how Spamton was themed around puppets but another thing that people forget to mention is the pre-fight dialogue. Spamton is the FIRST character to acknowledge Kris's SOUL in either chapter. It must have been really unsettling for Kris to have the first person to know what situation he's in trying to murder him for his own benefit. It probably didn't help that said character is clinically insane and that Kris would actually be dead, or worse, if Susie and Ralsei didn't show up.

I find it outstanding that so far, the secret bosses are convoluted with so much to look into. If you're free, free, from all your string's, you end up as demented as Jevil. But if you're being controlled like a [puppet] and fully aware about it too, you end up as demented as Spamton

I think Kris was projecting onto spamton, if we can cut Spamton free from his strings maybe mine can be cut as well. But Spamton wasn't free after the strings were cut. He just dies. Kris is probably already aware of that possibility seeing how hard it is for them to move when they remove the player from them in ending scenes. Eventually putting the player back in them. The No comes out as a scream because what the the player is telling Kris to do actually is what Kris wants to do. While the yes is strained for the opposite reason.

I would be scared too if someone told me I was some sort of puppet being controlled by another unknown force that I KNOW it's true as well. and the fact they also somehow know my situation is already major red flags

It seems increasingly like Ralsei doesn’t care what happens as long as the story/prophecy progresses. He doesn’t want to talk about Spamton, he becomes distressed when you don’t pan to Noelle and Susie during the Snowgrave route, and he talks to Kris whenever the player is away during the Ferris wheel/tunnel of love scene. I personally don’t think he’s evil, just sketch as hell.

There’s actually more dialogue in the “no” option that I just got! I’m playing on a file that I carried over from a ch 1 pacifist file where I beat Jevil, and I also went through most of the queens palace including the acid river trip where you hug Ralsei (I went back to the basement to fight Stanton via the elevator just before Noelle’s room.) Most of the same stuff you saw in the no option happened to me too, but Ralsei also hugged Kris and encouraged Susie to hug Kris too. Susie said no because she never gives hugs and Ralsei replied that, due to the laws of supply and demand, that just makes Susie hugs more valuable.

The whole "I... don't think it meant anything, Susie." And the "Don't think about what happened too hard, OK?" Set off some major red flags for me. Ralsei knows something...

I love the idea that Kris whole heartedly wants to be honest with them, so when the player tells him to say no, he says it a little too enthusiastically. And when you make him say yes, he doesn't want to say it so it comes out strained. I first took it as he was scared, but now I think it's cause he was fighting the command.

Remember the first time you save at the beginning of chapter one, and you have to save over a slot named Kris? That is a hell of a lot creepier after this scene

That's probably why kris is "okay-ish" with us controlling him, because he doesn't have a choice, seeing what happened to spamton when HE severed his puppet strings leaving him like a corpse. Kris knows that without us they'd be just like that so they have to comply. Also can we point out how good of a friend Susie is? Not moving on from the issue until she got Kris to smile. Very wholesome, and sad situation

Kris showing emotion is genuinely the best part of Deltarune's interactions imo, just shows he's more human than previous main characters.

I love how much this game drives home that we are some outside alien force invading this teenager's brain and just how fucked up that is from their perspective through just a few cutscenes like this.

adding on to the whole “kris and spamton are puppets” thing, those three technically just killed spamton by snapping his strings and “freeing” him, and kris realizing that that could be his fate as well

when i was playing through this, i chose to say no, and having ralsei turn to look at the player when saying it didn't mean anything and then *continue to do so* after susie pushes past him freaked me the hell out. this goat knows what's happening and he wants to make it clear to us. also i have a theory that while the queen's personality manifested from noelle's anxiety about her overbearing mother, spamton's whole deal was meant to reflect kris' anxiety about being controlled by the player and kris' own knowledge that if they attempt to fully break free from the SOUL, they'll die. there is so much to unpack in regards to spamton's dialogue i honestly recommend the theoryheads to see all of it. good stuff.

It's so sweet to see interactions like what happens if you say "yes", it really makes the team feels like friends.

The way Ralsei just tells us. . . to forget what happened, is Just so suspicious of him. . . also the fact he does not turn to statue, and that he moved to another dark world without being carried by someone, its all really suspicious

My personal theory of these secret bosses are based on fears that kris is living with. E.g. Jevil: The fear of losing control Spamton: The fear of being controlled I wouldn't be surprised if this continues to be a theme and i'd love to see where it goes from now on

Kris also turns to face the screen every time a cutscene ends, as if to tell US "well, let's keep going" Frisk did the same in Undertale

its nice too see that kris was smiling when he was cheered up, which make me believe that the people they meet are really valuable to them..

1:20 Even creepier: We DON'T actually 'see' him yelling, we only have Ralsei's account of it.

Kris might be one of my favorite playable characters in an RPG. They know they're being controlled, they know they're actions are being influenced from by someone else. I can't wait to see how else this plays into story.

The worst part is that not playing doesn't help. Not playing doesn't let Kris go free. They had the soul (and rejected it) before we, the current player, came into the picture (as evidenced by the birdcage, stain, and wheelbarrow that are in the room from the very first time we start the game), and even if we were to abandon the game, time doesn't progress until we boot it up again. They need the soul to be present to continue living, horrifyingly giving more credence to the idea that Kris will be just like Spamton and collapse after cutting all the strings tying us to them.

Spamton saying "Are you watching [Heaven]?" Is a line that really tells that spamton is aware of a [Heaven], that being the real world were players and us live. Angels come from heaven, and i guess Kris, much like the legend in undertale, is the angel. But unlike Frisk, or Chara, I think Kris was contacted by the mysterious man behind Jevil and Spamton's knowledge. Kris is aware of being a player character controlled by the player, and knows for a fact that just like spamton, If they cut all the strings (Destroying their soul which we control), they die. Thats why they scream. Because they saw exactly themselves doing that with their soul if they attemt to get free, because they would truly die in the process. Also in the snowgrave route, it might be a different context. Because in the berdly fight when berdly asks what are you doing with noelle, Kris has the option to say they're protecting her from you. "You" might not be berdly. It might be actually "you" as the player. If noelle becomes stronger, the player cannot one hit ko her, or would require her in order to proceed, so she wouldn't die in the genocidal route players made. I have the feeling that Kris wasn't supposed to be the angel, or the vessel that the soul we control resides in. The start of the vessel creation game is indicative of it. Or maybe he is the vessel, but he became aware because of the entity behind spamton and jevil. Specially Jevil. Jevil has a point about his inmprisonment actually being freedom. Out of the player's eyes, there is no rule or no control to what they can actually do, becuase thats left to our imagination, and its not "determined". But in the end, they exist. and they are determined to be a jester inmprisoned in their cell. .... Also Maybe, Kris's actual SOUL is actually with the vessel we discaded, and Kris was or is the knight, but split into two. Or not. Ralsei for some reason tries to keep the game as a questline to save the world from darkness, trying to make sure the player doesn't notice Kris's unusual knowledge about things. Maybe because Kris wasn't supposed to know and ralsei is some sort of tutorial entity that can't process this.

Fun Fact: If you do the Swan Ride with Ralsei before the Secret Boss, he’ll hug Kris and say mostly the same lines. You’ll also change up Susie’s Dialogue as well, having her run to the next room when Kris looks over to her for a hug after her main dialogue.

I think that "kris" has some power in this dialogue, like when u say "yes" u say it in a "strained" voice, "YOU" chose to say yes but "kris" doesn't want to say yes and so resisted; On the other hand if you said "no", "kris" highly supports this making him yell when normally other dialogue than this is said by "kris" is on a normal tone.

When i got to that "is everything ok" part, i got confused and started looking around the screen in case i missed something. And my heart just sank when i saw Ralsei just casually out of bounds staring right into my soul.

I think its important to note that Kris, when he tears out his soul, cant walk normally, and has to stagger. We know a human cant live without its soul for an extended period of time (outside of battles), so I wonder if this was referencing that, even if Kris destroyed his strings (His Soul), he would just die as a result.

I think the bosses are representing different ideas of "freedom above all else" so far. Jevil represents the idea that absolute freedom is incomprehensible chaos, represented by his battle patterns, which eventually devolve into random things you get by with a sliver of your health left. Spamton represents the idea that freedom is never attainable in its entirety, always depending on others (strings). I'm interested with what the chapter 3 boss is gonna be about.

There've already been dozens of theories on the meanings behind Deltarune and Undertale. A lot of them revolving around the fact that some of the characters know they're not in control. Especially not the main character. And Toby does hint at that concept a lot in both games. But, I think this was the creepiest way of going about it.

No one talks about how Ralsei literally walks outside the walke able path during this cutscene, wtf is he?

I love how susie cares so much about Kris, the one who she tried to bite their face off

I genuinely like how this game tries to give Kris some character

I think the most eerie thing about this is just how cold Toby's world overall is. It comes off as this fun bubbly world with characters that are as random as their debatably existent sanity meter. It tries to come off as silly and whacky but when it gets right down to it this world is dark, cruel, and vile. Spamton was a man that wanted freedom, to be a big shot, and yet when he finally got to the precipice of freedom the world mocks him by making his puppet strings visible and adding another layer to his failure just to rub it in he dies the moment his strings are cut. Having to then acknowledge he'll never be anything more than a puppet which ultimately encourages him to just give up existing by giving you some of his power to aid you. And yet despite his pleas, despite his desperate calls for help, the world just...tosses him to the side. Susie tries coming up with a reason why the fight happened and what Spamton's end goal was but Ralsei quickly dismisses it and just assumes there's no meaning behind what Spamton had done. On the surface, sure this makes sense. They don't know Spamton, they didn't really get the chance to bond with him so to them he was just a stranger actively trying to kill them, but to me, this just goes to show how cruel Toby's world is. It doesn't even let the characters TRY to see the lens from another man's eyes. They just quickly dismiss it, help Kris cope, and then move on. Making everything Spamton suffer through and the lengths he ultimately went through completely for nothing. He couldn't even inspire a single soul to try and break their strings to see their world for what it truly is. I still think Jevil is the FAR BETTER boss fight with far better music, dialogue, and aesthetic but if there's one thing Spamton does have over Jevil is his message. This world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a dark, mean, and nasty place that'll beat ya til' you're on the ground if you let it.

awful strange that susie was the one asking real questions and trying to help kris while ralsei just shut down any attempt at understanding what spamtons deal was

Another thing to approach is that up to this point kris has not killed a darkner or presumably anyone for that matter (unless you do an aborted snowgrave which i mean everyone else considers it to have not happened for some reason so i dont know), he legitimately killed this guy, it was essentially an assisted suicide, even worse than that because spamton honestly thought it was gonna set him free but it just ended up murdering him. For a kid thats honestly pretty fucked up.

"That got kris smiling." i know this is just one simple line but i like to think that susie said that to make kris laugh/lighten the mood after what happend, yknow! shock humour!

Toby is a genius when it comes to characters and story. Can't wait to see where this all leads...

"Kris, I'll make some cake for you later, OK? I could even make it chocolate-flavored, Butterscotch, Cinnamon... whatever you want" Holy shit, is he trying to calm you down by subconsciously reminding you of Toriel? He clearly knows more than he's letting on, plus he is definitely connected to Asriel in some way.

I've got a pretty interesting theory. The reason why Ralsei is constantly so nice to Kris throughout the game so far is because he knows every choice we're making is us forcing Kris to do that. So Ralsei, instead of wanting to have Kris feel bad for doing things he can't control, he acts nice no matter what you do so Kris doesn't feel bad.

Ralsei comes off unintentionally creepy in both these responses, but especially the yes one.

I like to think that Kris is AT LEAST in control of his voice when we're controlling him. That talk of all that puppetry must have triggered Kris because that's literally happening to him right now.

I really wish that there was a way for me to help Kris. Like I feel really bad about everything sense their self aware and everything. I guess it’s the main reason I do the pacific run so Kris isn’t forced to hurt/kill anyone. I know this isn’t going to happen, but I really want to have a Kris and player conversation.

The more I see stuff like this happen, the more I believe that Kris is starting to slowly understand that they can't take the SOUL out without making them basically vulnerable and weak. So instead of trying to cut the strings off like what happened to Spamton, Kris is actually complying with the voice's commands (IE: us the player) so Kris doesn't end up hurting themselves or others (which is what everyone thought Kris would do at the ending of Chapter 1, only to be told that he only ate the whole pie instead in Chapter 2). PS: Susie is really proving herself to be a kind, caring friend who tries her best to befriend others even when she hates their guts. The fact that she comforts Kris when he was obviously nervous about what happened really proves the point that she's turning into a true protagonist than a simple side character (which could effect things in later chapters for either other side characters or Kris himself)

Personally, I feel like Kris has little to no influence in their actions, so they do little things like screaming "no" and making a "yes" sound strained in order to get the attention of their friends. I feel that the comic "Paper Trail" helps illustrate it more, and though it's off and deconfirmed on some aspects of the game, it's still a good representation of Kris, Susie, and the rest of them.

Kris Screaming is so sad. We know that he's a puppet because we made him one, and its breaking him. He cant tell anyone about this cause nobody would understand, nobody would believe him. And i really like how Susie actually didnt stay silent on this, she mentioned it and it caused Kris too break down for a moment. Ralsei acts like everything is fine, and even tells Kris too not think about it. Ralsei has been acting very suspicous as the chapter goes on, and this part bothered me because ralsei had no problem sweeping it aside.

This reminds me of the "Asriel room" in the Mansion. If you choose to enter, Kris will enter because they have no choice, but they do it with their eyes closed using the little freedom they have. EDIT: Replaced "he" and "his" with gender-neutral pronouns.

Holy shit now I finally know what Susie meant at the beginning of the game, when she said: "Your choices don't matter" it was directed at Kris, not the player.

2:51 ".....Spamton himself even says that Kris is 'just like him' as they're both just controlled by some outside force....." ( queens accent) Lmao I Can Imagine This As An Online Player Versus Player Pokemon Game

The way in which Ralsei's just like "oh it's nothing!" in response to Kris being distressed (to the point where they were yelling) in regards to Spamton dying immediately after his strings are cut is... suspicious at best Starting to think the goat boy has some sort of agenda because of that

0:22 Ralsei: He turned into our ally, so lets just accept it (starts looking directly at us)

Man, Ralsei seemed so... suspicious this chapter. Especially in this cutscene. Just dismissing Susie's questions, telling them that Spamton's words about puppetry and having the power to break their own strings were just because he was a corrupted program and that they shouldn't think about it so hard, he was definitely acting off.

All jokes and memes aside, Spamton was already unstable, like even though he fights you and has a shop, there's still something incredibly off and unsettling about him. Then being cornered by his Neo form as he wants to rip out your soul in order to obtain "freedom", his whole fight where he keeps talking about getting free from being a puppet, being considered the same as him. Kris has awareness that he's being controlled as from the ending of Chapter 1 ripping out the soul.

Kris probably yells the “no” and is strained with the “yes” because they want to tell their friends that they’re not okay but can’t because the player controls their actions. It’s quite chilling when you think about it

I always thought part of the reason Kris reacts so emotionally is because Spamton NEO resembles the design on Asriel's computer at the beginning.

Deltarune mod where the only difference is that an actual sound-effect of Kris yelling plays during that scene and makes it a little more horrifying

I dunno if people saw this, but if you say No and you've built enough affection with Ralsei over the game, he will also hug you in addition to his regular dialogue.

I still firmly think all that is caused by Ralsei casually stepping out of bounds like a god. Kris starts to doubt Ralsei. I'm getting such huge Flowey vibes, and it's 100% intentional. Stop it fluffy boi, you already stole my soul.

Fact: Spamton gets angry if you do the [BIG SHOT] trick (holding enter and pressing z) and his damage will increase during battle with new update of the game Theory Time: Actually as you know we were supposed to get our vessel we created but we got interrupted by person who says"will now be discarded your name is" because of them whoever they are we got kris's soul (possession) the question is why the hell were we wanted to create a vessel for? For what? And who's the guy that says our vessel will be nothing what are we even doing with the soul given to us? Is deltarune an experiment that made by gaster?(not sure it's gaster) because in gaster's entry number seventeen, something is getting dark and darker, could this be the dark fountains?

I think this is one of the best scenes in the game. We truly see the characters shine for who they are. Susie is being a good friend in her own way not with a there there like ralsei would but making Kris laugh with her usual antics. It's actually really heartwarming.

I think the best part so far to me is that I still can't put my finger on Kris's intentions at all, it's implied they're the knight at the end (or something like that) but stuff like this and their interactions that don't have our involvement make me wonder just what's going on inside their head

Everyone: focusing on Kris going crazy by being controlled by the player Me: pondering on how Ralsei knows every possible cake Kris could love 2:00

I love how the fandom of this game is pure geniuses. The game only gave a bit of hint and they even hidden it somewhere in the game, but only a couple of days, people already found everything and even made their own theories, which for me is logical.

*Perish* "Why the hell'd you say it so enthusiastically?!" Wonder if there's a tracker for picking dialogue options Kris is 100% on-board with, things they definitely would say without player input, just like in this scene.

i think those advertisements did affect kris someway, since during the normal spamton fight the dialogue boxes during your turns are full of ads where was supposed to be kris descriptions, spamton does corrupt the game in some ways, maybe he corrupted some of kris files, and also knows about the existence of the player a good example : there is nothing wrong there is NOTHING WRONG THERE IS NOTHING WRONG

hey can we talk about how ralsei moved out of bounds in this scene

Spamton: Maybe you will be able to break your own strings Me who is controlling the actions of the protagonists. Spamton breaks the 4th wall, and it’s DEEP!!

What really creeped me out is Ralsei’s reaction to all of this, he doesn’t fucking care. Or at least, he only cares if it’s making Kris/Us feel bad. He wants us to ignore Spamtons words and he wants Kris to stop thinking about it. I dunno, just how Ralsei framed himself in the whole conversation felt gross and manipulative. Undertales message on the topic of kindness, can essentially be boiled down to: it’s a good thing to always be kind, to help those who are hurting and redeem the unredeemable. I feel like Deltarune is going to continue talking about how incessant kindness can be evil too.

I love this team, the way ralsei and susie try to cheer up kris after the experience they just went through is incredible, that kind of friends will solve any problem for you

Kris: *... *(Nothing but a puppet, huh?) *(And Spamton said that he and I are alike.) *(...) *(Come on, he could be taunting me for all I know.) *(Yeah, he was probably trying to psyche me out.) *(Even so...) *(Why do his words...) *Kris trembles. Kris: *(...cut so deeply...?)

I don't think Ralsei is evil tbh, he is just trying to make Kris feel better.

God, I know this scene is impactful as the player, seeing how we impact Kris, but I love the character interactions. Both with how tough Susie is, seeing her so concerned about Kris here, even pulling a joke to make them feel better is a very touching moment, I really like Susie as a character. And it’s also very interesting to see how Kris takes to Ralsei’s comfort. Kris doesn’t budge until getting Susie’s help, and we saw from the tea theory that Kris doesn’t seem to like Ralsei very much. I just find the trio’s dynamic really interesting and I can’t wait to see what Toby does with them in chapters 3-7.

I think Kris is shocked because they know they are being controlled by us, the player. I actually want a pacifist ending later in the game (chapters) where Kris and the player (soul) accept each other and be friends or smth

"think about something you like Something nice Something soft." *You think about ralsei*

0:49 I guess ralsei is talking about himself.

2:27 Why does no one talk about them smiling? It's a small detail but it tells us that Kris does have emotions outside of our control and that he does seem to enjoy the two's company.

Ralsai hugged me, when i said no during this scene.

I love me an emotionally unstable protagonist Thanks, Toby Fox, for teaching me this! (Also shoutout to Susie for caring about mental health) Edit: Also, both secret bosses have related to Kris. Kris, according to Monster Teen, is scared of that door that makes slowed down Gaster noises, Kris is aware that this is all a game (Or at least the first Dark World since they followed Ralsei's instructions) and Kris is a puppet.

I wonder if it'll be a reoccurring theme, that all secret bosses in the upcoming chapter will have freedom as some sort of theme. Jevil, thinking he was free and everyone else was locked away, then Spamton, a literal puppet on strings longing to be free. Also I also wonder why Kris- _who obviously despise us (The Soul/Player) for controlling them_ - still keeps us around, maybe it would be like Spamton's case? Like, if we cut ties with Kris they would die and turn into nothingness? or they're keeping us because they have something in store for us that only we can do that they can't? I don't know, only 2 chapters have been released after all, but it's still fun to theorized about!

the fact that Kris smiled after Susie's joke means that Kris might like being Susie's friend

2:32 "Heh that got kris smiling" Kris: -_-

Susie certified best girl.

while yes, you being controlled by some higher force can be seen as toby just shattering the fourth wall again, i feel like there's something more to it. we've been tricked quite a few times by just "assuming the same shit from undertale is valid for deltarune". instead i believe that what is happening is that Kris is a puppet on a string because they're being controlled by their SOUL and you're playing the game not from Kris's perspective, but from the SOUL's perspective. (heavily implied in the ending as well). well not exactly Kris, actually, but everyone that's on the Party at any given time (Snowgrave strongly implies the SOUL has control over the other party members's actions). Yes, Kris *can* break free from the SOUL's control, but the fact they keep putting it back on makes me also think it's not permanent at all.

"If you say it all strained like that, I'm not gonna think you're OK..." Kris WANTS to say "No" But since the player selected yes, he has absolutely no choice The reason he yells "No" is because he finally got to say what he wanted to say, which almost never happens, being that we only get pre-determined dialogue choices, Kris NEVER gets to speak his mind.

It's like if even when the player is controling kris, they're still able to do some things, like after you make noelle snowgrave berdley, ralsei points out that you don't seem 'ok', i'm guessing by the look of kris' face. They didn't want this to happen, yet the player's will is stronger than theirs

I think the reason why Kris "Yelled" when you choose "No" option is because You (player) chose what Kris' really felt so Kris was able to say what he really felt for a moment. As for the "Yes" Opt Susie notices that Kris is "strained" when he says yes because you (Player) forced Kris for saying yes.

Chapter 7 gonna have the player be the "Roaring" themselves and have the whole world against them, and the only way to get "good ending" is to lose

kris is prob my fav character just something abt them is idk THEY are just so cool

If Ralsei's Subject is a Hug Prince, After He is comforting you, he proceeds to give Kris a Hug. Also demanding Susie does it as well. (I picked No, but don't know what happens when I choose Yes)

The yes option is actually quite telling. I've watched videos and thought about how Ralsei acts. I don't think Ralsei knows just generally what is going on, but what exactly they are dealing with too. In the boat ride Ralsei mentions about first impressions, but we have never mentioned to Ralsei what flavors of cake we like. There is A LOT more that Ralsei knows that they don't let on.

another small detail: if you hugged ralsei during the acid boat ride, he'll hug kris back in this cutscene

Maybe we take constant control of Kris' soul. It certainly could explain the difficulty of moving, or really doing anything when he removes his soul. He's probably screaming at the futility of it all, knowing that if he tries to forsake his soul, he'll collapse and die like Spamton, but not being in control has to be a horrible feeling too. This and other tidbits and details make me think that the soul can get "infected" by a player.

Just a thought, what if the secret bosses are representing a stage of grief? (not in order of course)

Kris has such good friends... I wish we as the player could make them feel better too, I hope later on there will be some choice to either let them go or help them in some way. I feel really bad for Kris, I wish we could give them the world ;_;