How Snowgrave Affects Kris and Why Susie Matters | Deltarune Theory 

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So Kris's way of clinging to a sense of control is by relinquishing control. Their way of keeping people safe is to choose companions who won't listen to them. Because they don't trust themself. _Interesting._

How much Kris and Susie care about each other is severely overlooked when it comes to theories and stuff

Also, at the beggining of the city, there's a save point that says something like "neither mean girls or fluffy boys are with you, reluctantly, you're filled with the power of that cat sign" and if you come back after being reunited with susie and ralsei, it says "you are mostly filled with the power of fluffy boys and mean girls, the cat sign still comprises about one percent of it" and I love how it shows Kris really cares about them, it's just so sweet

It feels like Susie gets left out of a lot of the discussion around deltarune, so It’s nice that she’s talked about here!

I've always been interested in how Susie is unique in that she can actively choose to not listen to us, from refusing to do anything but fight for the first half of Chapter 1, to not listening to our- the soul's- choices during the scenes where the cameras focuses on her. She's like the opposite of Noelle, where in Snowgrave the soul seems to actively be able to control Noelle when the screen goes black, taking hold and controlling her actions, despite literally being focused on Susie during those two scenes, we can't even change one of her dialogue choices. She is completely out of our control, only listening to Kris because she wants to. There's something up with Susie, something that puts her just out of reach of our control, and considering how is a specially her who was teased by Clamgirl in Undertale, and how a huge theme in Snowgrave is about being able to control the other characters, I can't help but wonder if this unique aspect she has will be what eventually saves Kris in the normal route, and will cause her to be the final challenge we face in Snowgrave.

Fun fact I learned replaying Chapter 1 yesterday: if you do nothing when Susie suggests Kris and Ralsei fight her and Lancer (the choice between "Let's Fight" and "Let's Not"), for a single frame before the choice box is interrupted, "Let's Not" is highlighted! Which means even that early in Chapter 1, Kris doesn't think of her as an enemy! Maybe that's not new information, but I think it's interesting that Kris shows signs of respecting Susie even before their conversation in the elevator.

I view Kris making a fountain in the normal route as a act of desperation, out of fear of Susie not wanting to be friends without constant dark world dopamine.

Kris' motive is definitely a gambit for freedom imo. Everything we know about who they are without the player's influence indicates that this is someone who desperately wants to be free.

It was always my idea that during the castle portion of a Snowgrave route, The whole game goes into a sort of "Limp Mode", Trying to get through the important parts of the story and getting to the end before something else goes horribly wrong. The only one who's detached from this is Spamton, who seems to have a sort of disconnect from everything else, Thanks to their interaction with... Whoever was on the phone. Think about it: The castle's been invaded by Spamton, Seemingly without Queen knowing or caring, Otherwise, She'd of done something. All the castle's traps and puzzles have been removed, Replaced with Pipis. Susie and Noelle's entire scene with the Ferris wheel is cut. Ralsei just tells Queen about the roaring. No Queen boss or mech. It's as if you went *SO* far off script, That the *Game ITSELF* is panicking, Rushing you through what's left and getting you to the end as fast as possible. It adds a new level of creepy to it all, As if the game thought it'd be impossible for you to screw things up this badly. The game's basically like "There's nothing to worry about, Their choices don't matter." But when you find a loophole around that caveat in Noelle. The game doesn't know what to do.

Regarding 5:30: I think the screen doesn't transition to Noelle in the Snowgrave route because we the player don't want Kris to let Ralsei know what happend. If we remember back to Chapter 1, when we followed Susie's breakout, when we returned to Kris and Ralsei, Ralsei was talking to Kris about something and immediately stopped as soon as the player returned. I think the player wants to prevent Ralsei finding out what happend and that's why they refuse to transition. Ralsei senses something is wrong with Kris and tries to make the player "leave" (transition) by asking things like "I wonder whats happening in there" and similar statements. Ralsei isnt a villian to Kris and susie, he is a threat/villain to the player! That is my theory.

I kind of think Susie represents the idea of agency and independence, both in the story and personally, to Kris. Since Kris seems to be a person struggling with a sense of control and agency they are naturally drawn to her. Ironic for the person who literally delivers the line "your choices don't matter". Noelle on the other hand seems to represent a complete loss of control, some one lacking even the most basic abilities to stand up for themselves and make decisions, at least if you reenforce her learned helplessness. Ralsei is a little more unclear at this point- which is, you know, intentional. Perhaps he's someone who believes in fate, or even some one determined to *make sure fate happens*, like taking control and planning too far.

Interesting video. It makes me wonder if future weird routes will be harder to pull off as the story progresses and if we'll need to actively start forcing scenarios that cause Kris to split off from everyone else to cause more in the future instead of just waiting for a point where we do split up from everybody. It would fit with the idea that we're breaking the game by fabricating these situations that would allow us to exert our control more often

After seeing how high the stakes were risen in Chapter 2, I'm invested in seeing how the Alternate Route's theme of manipulation will persist in later Chapters, Kris being in a Dark World with their mother really opens up opportunities for genuine heartache Great analysis on Susie's character, her significance is an interesting topic (After all, there's a reason she's the character that Clam Girl talks about when foreshadowing DeltaRune)

Please consider that Kris and Ralsei are very clearly and provably both aware of the Player and conspiring against the Player in such a way that is designed for the player not to notice. There is a distinct possibility that the entire purpose of the adventures in the dark worlds is a distraction meant to keep the player on the path to their own banishment. If this were the case, Kris would have to engineer said path in its entirety before the player entered their world. It is possible that while Kris was successful in keeping the player trapped upon this path, they may not have accounted for the possibility that, within this path, such a strange route could be taken that the player would be able to finagle things to have such terrible consequences for Berdly and Noelle. That being said, while the harm that comes to Berdly and Noelle would be an undesirable outcome, Kris would be forced to continue upholding this conspiracy and proceeding to keep the player on track to their own banishment due to the fact that revealing the conspiracy to the player, or worse, giving up and allowing the player to escape the path, is a far more disastrous situation than the regrettable sacrifice of a single bluebird. This is why everything ends the same way, no matter what you do.

Considering the Snowgrave route is also called the Weird Route, imagine how different things would get if you went and made Noelle do weird things like casting Ice Shock onto the walls or using Snowgrave on a traffic cone

Again, I love the portrait of who's the bad guy in the Snowgrave Route. US. We are the bad guy. No one can say otherwise. We chose all the killing, we chose to scar Noelle and honestly it makes me feel sorry for Kris. Toby knows how to make people who have to do everything in the game feel horrible And that line. That. SINGLE. Line. *YOU whispered Noelles name* . It's just so... mystifying. And I adore it

holy fuck, how did you make kris's end-game actions make MORE sense in the snowgrave route?? and im only like 10% joking ??? LIKE. DUH. now that you've pointed it out, it actually makes A Lot Of Sense that kris would want susie, their mom, and a police officer around after the events of snowgrave. that makes me wonder all the more about their motivations in the normal route ! why do they seem to want undyne (or at the very least, a police officer) to be in the dark world with them if they're just having a fun adventure with their friend? -- which, as i recall, is the prevalent explanation for kris's actions in a non-snowgrave route. my brain wants to dive wildly into "did dess fall into a dark fountain? is kris trying to find her, after reconnecting with noelle?" but that's like, the best ive got for it. gosh this is just such a good point that i haven't seen anywhere else, thanks as always for giving me more notes to add to my deltarune theory google docs ^.^

i have a theory on why Kris wants to open a dark fountain. i like your idea on susie undyne and toriel, i now also like to think that they where called for protection; but that doesen't fully explains why kris wants to open it in the first place. when you seal a dark fountain your LOVE increase, your HP increase, your ATK increase, you become stronger. in UNDERTALE after a genocide route Frisk/Chara begins to act withot the control of the player: they walk without our control, they kill asgore without our control, and at the end they destroy the world without our control ("Since when were you the one in control"), basically they become FREE. so maybe Kris wants to seal as many fountains as they can, so that they can get lot's of EXP, without killing anyone, and use it to rebel against the player...?

i imagine being constantly controlled against your will would make someone completely free and independent like susie seem very appealing. not to mention, ralsei’s direct acknowledgment and complete compliance with the player is probably also why kris don’t like him nearly as much as susie or noel.

I’ve always felt bad for Kris. They’ve been puppeted by the player and forced to interact with people they don’t inherently like, especially Susie in the beginning. They’ve been forced to act in ways they don’t want to act, and unlike Frisk, Kris has a unique personality that we just ignore. I also think that Kris had some sort of trauma with humans before the game’s events, which is why they close the book with humans so quickly in the library. And yet, form all of this, people think they’re the bad guy just like Chara, even though it’s the player’s fault. I really hope we get an encounter against Kris where we have to face our actions, that would really be the best ending for Kris.

now that you brought up susie it makes a lot of sense. Fluffy boy may know something has a hold on them and has noticed the effect Susie has on kris so tries to not leave them alone. He may be trying to encourage Kris to demonstrate their free will and break control by making them party leader, make choices, encourage love and peace and the hero of legend while he acts as a supportive figure to them. But Ralsei and everything he says is coming across as artificial to Kris because we are making these choices, not them. Even on the swan ride we make all those choices and not them. Sometimes making too important choices like who kris should bring to the festival. Even after the battle with spamtom were kris breaks down Ralsei can only give lip service, hugs. hes trying to get everyone to move on from what happened to not upset Kris but that is not what Kris needs. meanwhile Susie recognizes right away that Kris's stress is being ignored and stops the group to acknowledge that happened and is truly able to make them feel better through jokes and reassurance. She honestly looks offput by what Ralsei is trying to do during this scene. Ralsei is "nice'" but being "nice" isn’t the same as deeply caring or worrying about someone. It's nice to ask how someones day is, its caring to dig deeper and ask for details. Whether his care is real or not everything fluffy boy does feels fake which makes sense for someone who has been alone for a long time. He wouldn’t be able to pick up the subtle changes in people like Susie could. i can see why kris would not like him as much as Susie even if fluffyboy is harmless and means well. Good people can hurt the people they care about through ignorance. Susie is fostering rebellion in Kris and empowers them by proving over and over again that she can defy the player. I can see in the future Susie snapping on Ralsei for his fakness if he tries to brush aside what happens with the next secret boss. she'll probably cause more scenes were we suddenly cant make choices for kris anymore and our positions will be reversed and we'll come into conflict with kris and the fun gang.

5:25 the meta explanation is most likely both Toby not wanting to code and write 2 separate cutscenes with Susie and Noelle AND not give us any extra information on how traumatized she is.

I like the idea of Susie being completely uncontrollable by the player outside of battles just by character alone. No incredible power or hidden abilities required. She'd just not do what you'd say if you tried to pull a weird route. Susie knows better. She's her own person.

"We just want to skip the fluff." Ralsei, the fluffy prince, distracts the player with incidents that are meaningless to the player's (unclear) goals. I'm thinking fluffiness is coming together as a major theme.

It honestly feels like Deltarune is more about WHY we happened to be forced into controlling Kris. We didn't have a choice in that, for whatever reason. My pet theory on it is that after Azzy left for college/university, Kris (being quite sad) played with a ouija board (or some other ""occult"" magic) with Catti and actually summoned something that stole his actual SOUL away. Later on, WE got thrown into this story by downloading and running this game and ""connect"" to Deltarune's universe. Whomever we talk to during that "survey program" segment (its probably Gaster; could literally be anyone though), they forced us into Kris as a surrogate soul (for whatever plan this being has for Kris and us). And our "goal" is to guide Kris towards the completion of that strange being's endgame. Ralsei may know about this, as he keeps nudging Kris and Susie to go in a "pacifist" direction. And seemingly wants to know more about the player, rather than Kris. Sorry for rambling

I also find it interesting how spamton is affected by each routh, though a fake out in the normal route he does seem to want to improve himself just before you cut his last string and his hopes are crushed, in snowgrave you enable his current state and he is much more villain like wanting to rule over the cyberworld, idk I just thought this might be interesting since not many people think about how spamton is effected by your route, it's kinda like in normal you show him what he really wants but in snowgrave he goes further down his dark path

The idea of Kris getting the cops involved of hopes of being arrested for murder is really chilling...

This is really interesting! I wonder if future weird routes have similar themes of "different actions, but it still leads to the same result".

kris after the snowgrave route: I NEED AN ADULT I NEED AN ADULT I NEED AN ADULT I NEED AN ADULT I NEED AN ADULT

I have a feeling that while Toriel won't take orders from Kris without question, like Noelle did, I do think that for Chapter 3's alt route, we can pretend to be/actually get severly hurt to force Toriel to burn anyone that dare try to kill their child. And we already know how Undyne does around heat so... the player making Kris do something so horrible, it gets Undyne to attack us, while right in front of Toriel will not end very well...

This honestly makes me concerned about the next weird route, especially with how Kris feel. Because, if there is one thing about Toriel I learned from Undertale (and more subtly apply to Deltarune too, it's yet to be much seen) it's that she is flawed. Not in the same way her husband is, sure, but still quite flawed. She is not Susie, she is not Undyne, and true she is not Noelle but that's about it. While Noelle's learned helplessness is far more easier to manipulate, Toriel always struggle on a balance between standing her ground protectively and shielding the young ones's eyes, a behavior that she also apply to herself resulting in a balance between determination and denial, taking strong actions that change life massively (like leaving her kingdom or Asgore) to then do her best to forget and being as dismissive as can be. I do think this participates in making her the person who underestimate the most how bad Kris feels about Asriel's absence (or possibly the divorce too), even if it's not helped with Kris not opening up much. And for as much as Kris trust Toriel, I totally think a weird route with her can happen in which she is pushed toward making bad things or things she doesn't know have a bad consequence for the sake of someone's protection. And it will be especially hard if she wound Kris's emotional wellbeing in an attempt to protect him. Of course it might instead be anyone else but Susie, possibly Kris on his own, or maybe Undyne who is too eager and impulsive which can also result in bad things, but I do think the worst but plausible case scenario is a weird route focused on Toriel.

"hAPPY fEET dUMBASS" will always be my single favorite moment involving Susie.

I'm having a hard time articulating my thoughts so this might not make sense, but this makes me wonder how the weird route(s) will be handled in totality. Both because snowgrave and any further routes should have slowly growing effects and there's setup for a few different ways that the game could handle these effects. Like on one hand Susie could notice what's going on and help Kris end the player's influence in their life. At the same time, if there's more weird routes, I can see it leading to Kris potentially giving up on resistance.

Kris seems pleasantly happy in the normal route, apart from Spamton. Noelle talks about old times, and Kris saying they're friends makes her happy too. Then of course, Susie and Ralsei also care for you, but...Ralsei is in an odd position. Wonder what's up with them.

The weird route in Deltarune is so fascinating to me, because I didn't expect it to exist in the first place. I think no one did after Chapter 1 where the main thing we heard was "your choices don't matter". But here we are, Chapter 2 allowed us to break that rule and we have a genocide-like route, except it's much worse in some aspects this time. I'm so glad you analysed the motives Kris has in Snowgrave. It didn't make sense to me why Kris would do the same and open a fountain in this route as well, but after this video it's more clear. Keep up the great work and as always stay determined!

Something I keep wondering is if the weird route will effect the secret bosses living in our inventory. Will keeping them in Kris' pockets be important to the worst run because we need them to witness it all so we can lead them down a dark path? They were already on a dark path before Kris showed up & influenced them into taking a lighter one so you'd think that would have some kind of effect. Then again, maybe they just wanna see what Kris does & they don't care about the morality of it. Jevil's in it for the chaos & Spamton just wants to see Kris find their own path to freedom, no matter what that path is. I suspect there will be extremely dark runs even outside the weird run. Like aborting a weird run at the last moment in chapter 2, then breaking Berdly's arm so Noelle knows it wasn't a dream, & using the thorn ring to make the twisted sword so Kris can commit murder with the twisted sword without worrying about Noelle turning on them.

kris and susie’s relationship is so overlooked, i love them so much

I love Susie and Kris’s friendship, I would love to see people talk more about their friendship that people drooling for Jevil and Spamton 😔 my favorite thing about Undertale was the relationships between the characters, and that doesn’t stop at Deltarune.

Glad to see SOMEBODY that doesn’t think that kris is just some player puppet

Honestly I just see it as: Susie ignores our commands, which means she can't really be affected properly to make weird route with her? Maybe she'll be against us on a weird route?

Susie is such an interesting character with a lot of potential, being clear of what she wants to do but also being mysterious, like, which are her motivations? Why does she get 'shy' when she meets Toriel? Why does she get so exited about getting a room on the Dark world? And many other questions can be made about the character, imagine if at the end she was actually the true hero or actually got another very important role for the story- To be fully honest I don't think I will be the only one to get extremely disappointed if we don't get a chapter more focused on her

So maybe Kris is just afraid to be alone with us.

It's so cool to see someone discuss the close relationship between Kris and Susie, and it's impact on the story. Awesome video Dorked!

Hell yeah! Finally, someone gives Susie the repsect she deserves! I honestly love her free agency so much. How she can just.....*not* listen to the godlike entity controlling the world. It's soooo badass. I wish Kris was more like that, and I know they do too. I cheer every time she's on screen, and I cheer every time she defies us. I have a feeling, no, a hope, that she'll find out we're possesing Kris and then absolutly kick our ass. She'll lead the charge as everyone beats us up. You bet your ass I'll be smilling as wide as I can as she absolulty obliterates me an exessive amount because god damn am I bad at video games.

Susie is a Good Friend The kind of friend that would go : "if you Misgender my friend one more time i will eat your Kneecaps." As seen in the conversation between Snowdrake, Monster kid, Susie and Kris at the Bunker in Chapter 2

This is a pretty cool video! You have got a new sub. Although, I do wish to share something about the Snowgrave Route that has been nagging me that isn't exactly in relation to Kris or Susie, but in regards primarily to Noelle, something I feel is overlooked and could be me just looking into things too much, so I would really appreciate your opinion on it! As we know, throughout the Snowgrave Route our manipulation of Noelle forces her to grow in power until she finally snaps and traps Berdly in an icy diamond. When we meet up with Queen, Susie says that Noelle needs to wake up. And Queen replies with something like "She has already awakened too much." 'Awakened.' 'Too Much'. The usage of those words/phrase feels oddly important to me for some reason, and I feel like that is going to mean something more later on. The weird psuedo avatar state she turns into at her breaking point is also something I don't see many people discuss. I've heard some people speculate that Noelle may know what this powerful magic is due to some incident prior, and that her affinity for the cold may be tied to some trauma she has experienced, but I don't know for certain. As I've stated, I could be reading too much into things. But Snowgrave simply doesn't feel like a one off event. Especially with the now exclusion of Berdly, to the Thorn Ring granting Noelle stronger powers(or perhaps giving her better control over them?) and Spamton becoming powerful enough to usurp Queen. All of this is just the consequence from the inhumane treatment of Noelle. It's also probably worth noting that Noelle is the only other person besides presumably Ralsei who can sense player input, even when she's nowhere near Kris(or when Kris is knocked out, something that is noted when you're downed in the fight with the radio dudes is that Susie and Ralsei are forced to act on their own) but I might just be picking at straws there. To sum up my thoughts, I just have this hunch that Noelle is going to be integral in some way to how the plot unfolds, and it's going to be based around her nature of her powers.

I love how the "scary" part of the chapters is when you play as Kris, all alone, with no other npcs around. you're technically controlling the "bad guy" i guess, and it's very uncomfortable and spooky :)

I was really excited when I saw you were making a video about this! It's something I've been wondering about myself as to how these two very different routes connect. Great stuff as always!

this person's not just amazing at aus, they understand so much about lore, and make solid theories.

I do wish some people wouldn’t dodge their bad actions in Deltarune by saying Chara or Gaster or Kris being the bad guy, I think Kris is doing what they do for a reason that isn’t bad at all

Excellent video! I do believe that Kris opened the dark fountain in Chapter 2 for Susie. Right before opening the fountain, they look at Susie. They do check if she's asleep, but they seem to only check Susie. This could be that either Kris is fearful of Susie knowing that they opened the fountain, or they are just telling themselves they are doing this for Susie.

Thank you for posting! I needed something to get my mind off everything going on.

Susie is going to become an integral part of the later parts of the game and likely the “true hero” of the trio. I’m so proud of my rough around the edges purple dinosaur tomboy. 🥲

Wow you are pumping these videos out fast. I’m impressed and excited!

you mentioned susie's influence earlier, i think in the normal route since susie says at the fountian in chapter 2 "but... is that really a bad thing...?" Since they've been showing up, everythings gotten alot more intresting, has'nt." which leads kris to believe susie wants these dark worlds, telling them they should make (more/one) (depends on if kris is the knight)

Gosh dang :O This was super duper interesting 👀 I'm very much vibing with this train of thought. I knew that Kris was most likely very against the actions of the player in the weird route, however I didn't realise many of the specifics that you pointed out there. Very very interesting indeed

I'm going to go off what you said about Toriel being protective and say.. Maybe we the player can manipulate that? Like, we have to force ourselves to low health or maybe into a downed state and THEN she'd be vulnerable to manipulation. A reason I say downed, is thanks to the fact that Noelle can still hear our voice. I know how evil that sounds, but it's also an interesting concept. Not to mention how Kris themselves could react, considering Toriel is their mother.

I think the genocide route will lead to a far stronger team which would kill the titans but no one would survive. But When we do the pacifist route we will fail to the titans due to not being strong enough, and if we do pacifist and pacifist the secret bosses, Jevil said take me with you (I think) so I think if we do pacifist and secret boss pacifist we will get the good ending everyone lives and no titans

These were exactly my thoughts. Fantastic video!

Kris and Susie’s relationship is never talked that often simply cause people just see the relationship as “friend/player turn a bully into a friend” and nothing more.

You're such an underrated RU-vidr! ☺️ This was an amazing video! 🤗

you know, at the time when you said everything keeps going like normal, i kind of thought about goner kid, berdly stopped existing and no one remembers.

Loving these videos so far

I knew I recognized your voice, you did the berdly video! I agree, this is a great idea for the logic behind the story in Deltarune that isn't so dependent on otherworldly forces, even if said forces are or aren't relevant in Deltarune. I'm no expert on RU-vid analytics but perhaps Deltarune theory crafting is a hotter topic right now than Undertale. Either way hope it gets some more clicks.

this is a really good uncomplicated analysis of kris's actions. makes me feel like maybe my theories have been getting a lil too crazy lol. ive been dwelling for awhile on the theory that dess holiday might be the reason kris has been opening dark worlds. dess doesnt have a grave so she's probably not dead, she and her sister along with the dreemurrs explored the woods near the gaster bunker as kids, kris has some sort of trauma about that bunker according to monster kid. there's unused dialog in the code of the game of someone asking for help and how its so dark and quiet but they think they can hear scratching? (possibly monster kid and snowy outside the bunker?) the ending song for chapter 1 talks about how there's someone "with us in the dark". ive even gone a little off the deep end with a theory that the unused [redacted] sprite that appeared in undertale might actually be dess holiday. the [redacted] sprite (which sort of looks like it has an antler) appears in a completely dark room that must be hacked into. its dialog is hidden not only by wingdings (which are in lowercase btw unlike the caps that gaster uses) but also in the sense that its literally been "redacted" matching with the unused text in deltarune lamenting that "no one can even hear them". the [redacted] room gives you access to the sound test room where, after gaster's theme plays, tells you "thanks for your feedback. be seeing you soon!" which draws to mind the fact that deltarune was initially titled "survey program" when it first dropped after a series of ominous tweets, written in the style of gaster of course. so yea all these crazy theories have been taking up the majority of my mental real-estate and i overlooked the fact that kris may just want to make sure the next dark world has people that arent easily influenced in it, which is almost certainly the correct answer to explain kris's immediate actions. i still think dess is going to play a major role at some point later on but its nice to remember that not everything is so convoluted lol

im so terrified of the idea of berdly being truly dead in chapter 3 if you do the snowgrave route. like berdlt being absent in class or people talking about a funeral

I actually think chapter 2's weird route is a bait and switch, and chapter 3's weird route will establish that we as the player will sometimes need to go off the rails to show Kris the consequence's of their actions. Much like how chapter 1 established sometimes violence is necessary. Remember Kris by opening the dark fountain at the end of chapter 2 is endangering everyone. Regardless of their intentions If we play along and give Kris what they want we will only encourage this reckless behavior. But by going off the rails and showing Kris how horribly it can go wrong we will discourage this behavior and prevent them from doing it in the future.

Why is it that instead of us (player controlling Kris’ body) scaring Susie the one who threatened to eat us we choose Noelle the sweetest character possible??? When Noelle literally did nothing to us

Something I’d love to hear you talk about is the theory that kris STRONGLY dislikes or even hates ralsei, and what ralsei may be doing off screen when our focus isn’t on him and ralsei and kris are alone

Very interesting Theory Dorked!

THANK YOU I always see people interpret the snowgrave route as Kris "doing what he wants" when all signs point to the complete opposite. (Including the fact that you're still controlling him) A lot of the fandom seems to interpret Kris as this maniac serial killer entity

Wow. This is a great analysis. Have a sub you mad lad And also a cool webcomic I've somehow completely missed. I'll give it a shot.

I think frisk and kris have something in common that is very important to note, during the genocide route, Frisk/Chara does things without the player’s input. They deliver the final blow on sans, papyrus, and asgore without your input and also slashes flowey multiple times even thought you only attacked once. And of course, chara destroys the world no matter what you say. This is used as a punishment for the player thinking they were above consequences. Frisk is a blank slate, with no background or motives, leaving them completely vulnerable to our whims, but chara has a backround and a story, and therefore has agency over their own story. I think this is what makes Kris able to defy the player. In the dark world, without any lightners, kris is once again a blank slate, no backround and no character leaving them open to the player’s suggestion. But in the real world, Kris has control. Their soul is not what gives them their personality, but instead a physical embodiment of your control over them. And this is where the differences in the two stories come in. I’m undertale, you control the world through frisk, your actions shape the world that you play in. But in deltarune, you control yourself. Because the same thing happens no matter what you do, your actions tell you more about your own place in the world then Kris’s. You can either be a guiding force, helping a lonely troubled child make friends and work through their issues, or you can be a controlling villain, fighting with the “good” kris just trying to live happily

Susie and Kris' partnership and teamwork since ahpter 1 to 2 with Ralsei , in addition with 2 more is amazing!!!

Nice job with this one! I know I'm a little late this time, but you've really improved. The presentation's cleaner, you get to each point well (though you already did, just an observation), and all the points hold up! Still, there's always a bit more to examine here. As always, here are my two Dark Dollars: Firstly, it's worth considering whether viewing Susie was ever real. We haven't been given any indication Kris and Ralsei actually know what happens when this is said, in fact there's some evidence for the opposite. Chances are Kris simply didn't agree because of their stress/emotions. There's something potentially huge I often see overlooked that I would've used in my own theory given time: When fighting Spamton in this route, it is impossible to miss. This contrasts greatly from the standard route, where Kris cuts the last string and reacts poorly when Spamton falls. Could they also hold anger for the part he played with Noelle? As for the Determination video... please don't get too hung up on it. For starters, remember it had quite a few flaws. I don't wish to recreate that conversation under this video, but sometimes this occurrence isn't unfair. I've only had one video break 100, even with other Deltarune videos. ...What I'm trying to say is that this sort of thing happens, and you've already gotten luckier than many. Posting about it here may make sense for now, but don't get upset over it.

I like to believe the choice between point and eat moss is more so a choice for what Susie thinks Kris would choose, which is why she then says Kris wouldn’t know what to do. It’s funnier when you think about that specific choice like that.

Dialogue from spamtons SnowGrave fight. You've been making [Hyperlink Blocked] haven't you? And now that you have your own supply you don't need me!! You think making [Frozen Chicken] with your [Side Chick] is gonna let you drink up that sweet sweet freedom sauce. There will be no more [Miracles], no more [Magic]. You lost it when you tried to see to far. My theory. Kris needed the SnowGrave route to become completely free of our control. Part of it anyway, specifically the ThornRing. The ThornRing and pure crystal together makes the twisted sword. Twisted sword lowers trance. Trance = Our control. We get the ThornRing from spamton but that's all we needed. There was no need to continue the route. We went "to far." Doing the SnowGrave route partially could result in kris's freedom in the future.

I think Kris opening a dark world is them trying to test the players morality.

Random, but none of the basic party members fit gender norms There's a masculine girl, a feminine guy, and a nonbinary person. I just think thats neat :)

I've always felt like Susie is the ONLY character (so far, anyway) that is completely incorruptible, I mean, she's by no means a saint, but regardless of your choices when it's JUST Susie, she does her own thing, it might as well be a command to advance the dialogue rather than a choice.

its neat to note how ralsei highlights that you've gone off script during the thing with noelle at the hotel, he expects the camera to pan to noelle and susie, and then acts surprised when time JUMPS forward to skip that whole shebang, not to mention how he tries to brush the whole thing with spamton in the normal route off, and like, im not trying to imply ralsei is evil or anything, far from it, he just clearly knows more than he lets on, and im curious to know how he will develop across the story, because he's a very interesting character, its clear he cares about kris, but kris doesnt care about him

I have found out that the more you use reset the better you get at using it, which is why flowey can save mid fight, and basing off my other theory, is why we have 3 save points and not just one.

in the normal route, when berdly awakes, he says he has an important reunion, imagine what happends next in the snowgrave route

I have always thought Ralsei talked to whoever Jevil and Spamton did, but instead of being driven mad or attempting to use it for his benefit, he realizes his best chance at peace is to assist and befriend the player

I think there are a couple holes that need to be filled in here. Namely the times Suzie is out of your party in chapter 1 and in when she goes off in the queen's mansion. In both situations, the brash one that can defy you is out of the party, leaving Kris (and thus, US) with the meek eager to please Ralsei. By the logic presented here, there should be a way to at least try to derail the plot and corrupt Ralsei, but there isn't. So I think there should be an explanation as to why we can't do it to Ralsei when we are alone with him.

i think susie is our tutorial to teach us that although OUR actions don't matter, our partners can still be influenced to make decisions for us, leading to the revelation of weird routes and their likely future variants. my guess is "gaster's" "experiment" he talked about when he sent us to deltarune was to see if determination could break past our "Actions not mattering". and if every weird route is done, a secret ending will unlock. or not? maybe our actions WONT matter in the end, who knows?

Perhaps Susie will be a boss in later chapters, where we are FORCED to let susie kill the enemies since there are no other "companions" around. and well... we did see what happend when her bouncy pumpkin friend "betrayed" her in chapter 1.

Personal theory: Kris isn't the Knight, but after finding out from Queen how to open dark worlds he decides to open his own. He slashes Toriel's tyres so Susie can stay the night, and opens a dark world ready for a new adventure in the morning. Why? Because he's lonely. He wants friends, and Susie is the closest thing he has now

It think it's also possible that sealing the dark fountains has some sort of physical impact on Kris. While they are more or less expressionless and cold in chapter 1 by chapter 2 they start to show more reactions and in the normal route a little more independence. It also appears that Kris is able to subsite without the soul in chapter 2 for longer than they could in chapter 1 (although that is just speculation). This could mean that each dark fountain sealed slightly enhances Kris''s own power. This is reinforced by the fact that your stats increase after chapter 1. This means that long term the dark fountains could free Kris from our control.

It’s kinda interesting how while Susie does go through significant character growth in the regular route she even kinder and more Compassionate in the Weird Route (being the one who invited the queen to Castle Town and implied to be more open towards Noelle. I get the idea that Susie is going to become some sort of reflection/protagonist in the Weird routes?

oh mygod this makes so much more sense???? this is so smart ur so real

I still think to this day that Ralsei is aware of it all being a game. notice how he only whispers to kris about what to do and suggestions.

Maybe Kris taking their soul out, is a pure act of determination to not be controlled- they dont want the player to control them. That pure determination to not be controlled, creates a dark fountain since determination is what creates these dark fountains.

Fun fact! In chapter 1 if you look in the mirror by your room it says “it’s only you” in chapter 2 it says “it’s the thing they call “you”” and tbh that freaked my out-

man, deltarune is such a good game. I'm excited to see the full game and terrified to see the outcome of the weird route. like... genuine fear

Another thing that I want to point out is that Kris can let their soul exit their body without going into a weakened state. BUT, that only happens in the dark world when you finally seal a fountain. Kris seems to know about this and may try to fight player.

One thing that I like to mention that is a little random but when Ralsei was speaking of the legend of the trio blah blah blah. He mentions Kris, Susie and Ralsei. Obviously nothing seems out of the blue here at first glance. While yes it could be just ralsei following this so called 'Legend', the legend never states anything about Noelle or Berdly at all. And that could be the fact that they won't be recurring characters in the franchise but I'm thinking of something else that could be possible. _The Legend Is Fake_. I think that the legend could potentially be fake, not that it didn't happen but it's something Ralsei made up because in chapter 2 Ralsei also just mentions another thing where if too many fountains exist it causes some massive destruction across both worlds - I wasn't fully listening but it was somet like that. This felt like more of an excuse if anything that Ralsei made to Queen. It also reminds me of how Ralsei is Kris' red headband or presumed to be. If this is the case then I have a side theory that works well with my original, that Ralsei is the personification of younger Kris. The adventures do kinda seem childish if you think about it, 3 heroes out to stop an evil mighty king and then *proceeding* to go to a new world and defeat the mighty evil Queen! (See what I did there). These adventures are the types of adventures that feel endless and the type of games you would play with your brother perhaps when you are younger. Anyways how this ties into my original theory is that if Ralsei is the personification of younger Kris then it feels completely natural that the story would change to benefit the younger ones (I know since I have a younger brother myself and we all know how they like to change the rules a lot) and it also makes sense to why options like hugging are available at times when your with ralsei because in a sense it's what Kris probably had as an option when he was younger since it suited his age and mindset. Anyways I think I've talked enough about this but I'll probably think about this in more detail and I'll see if I come up with anything.... After I watch a couple more of your videos first obviously.

I really like how in Deltarune and Undertale all the blood is on the player's hands

Best Theory I've heard yet