I think you answered yourself that question with how many times Gingka and Kyoya has tied together since Metal Fight Explosion (Metal Masters). Kyoya's rigorous training and Gingka's adaptability both counter each other's fighting styles to a T that by having one try to beat the other sounds like a fever dream because they both have had taken on the same opponents winning and losing to most of them and both heavily contributing to many of the most important final battles in each season progressing the story further more.
What adaptability? Kyoya has gingka on ropes the entire match then gingka is like "I WILL NOT LOSE THIS BATTLE, WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH" then a massive explosion then they draw. After the first 2 loses kyoya took the draws were bs.
@flossyt4985 That's adaptability. Every battle Gingka goes through, he finds new ways to either persevere through his matches or finds a loop hole into the opponent's fighting style. We've seen this happen already from not just Kyoya but also against Dashian, Julius, Damian, Ian Garcia, Dynamis, Ryutaro, and many others. Plus, it's already been established since the beginning episodes of Metal Fusion that Beyblades can get stronger in battles by increasing their percentages in each stat (i.e. increased 2% in attack or defense for the average blader). Another example would be the major power boosts characters like Gingka get when powering up their Beyblades. We saw this in the 2nd episode of Metal Masters after Gingka had an epiphany on his new Bey, Galaxy Pegasus, and the overwhelming power the "true" Pegasus wields where Madoka was getting power Amp reads off of her mini-laptop. So yeah, Bladers and Beyblades can get stronger over time in and out of battles with Bladers having intellectual adaptability on top of that. And Gingka so happens to have high amounts since he's the literal MC.
narratively speaking : Kyoya is destined to always lose because he only fights for himself and his rivalry, not for personal survival/power (Ryuga) or greater goals (Gingka) functionally speaking : Kyoya must always lose because he's the 3rd place jobber there to make us realise just how damn strong the dragon in 1st place is, Pegasus in 2nd
People who keep saying main character plot armor are undermining both Gingka and Pegasus’s abilities. Pegasus is literally stated to be Ldrago’s light counterpart making them two of the strongest beyblades in terms of power. And just like the video stated, Gingka’s best strength was his ability to adapt in the moment, not just with Kyoya, but with all his battles. Any draws him and Kyoya had was due to gingka not mastering the current pegasus and we’ve seen how to destructive galaxy could be in masters along side cosmic’s mode changes in fury. People who chalk it up to plot armor and power of friendship need to rewatch watch the series as whole.
The ultimate reason is not because of plot it's the fact that Kyoya trained hard to be that strong is only because he want to beat Gingka, in which Gingka is his determination in other words his inspiration so in simple words, Gingka is the master whom Kyoya strives to be like because in Fury he admitted that he is what he is today is because of Gingka, so for those who say its plot, Kyoya was never a strong blader like Gingka in the first place, he Even got beaten by Doji in his first battle with him while Gingka go toe to toe with Doji and even almost defeated him if not of the building that prevents Pegasus from gaining height, and then he trains hard to beat Gingka, which made him really strong so it make sense that Kyoya was strong only because of Gingka, he almost reach his level of defeating him, but the reason is because Galaxy Pegasus being a legendary bey one of the two original ancient beys, it will always surpass stock beys like Rock Leone, thereby this debunks all claims that it's all plot, if it's Gingka's win against Ryuga sure it's plot but but claiming that Kyoya couldn't beat Gingka because of plot is a big NO, because comparing Gingka and Kyoya is like comparing a Master and a Student, of course the master strength will prevail
Kyoya was never as strong as Gingka but he was not that weak even in the beginning he was a leader of an area and gang for a reason and he was also the strongest legendary bladder after Ragi, Gingka and Ryuga
The thing about Kyoya is that while he does get stronger over the course of the metal fight beyblade series, his loner mentality puts him at a disadvantage against Gingka. Even when they fought in their first battle, Kyoya had the advantages of an advantageous battle location and Storm Pegasus not being fully repaired. Yet Gingka won due to his determination to save Kenta's beyblade and using his opponent's strength against him. Their second battle, Kyoya, is even stronger but more isolated, while Gingka's Pegasus is at full strength, yet the support of Gingka's friends and using Kyoya's power to strengthen Pegasus allowed Gingka to once again claim victory. Even when they fought in the world championships and Kyoya clearly gained the advantage that could have and even should have brought him victory, Gingka managed to tie with Kyoya simply because his team would have been out of the world championships had he lost. Despite Kyoya being on the same side as Gingka for the most part, Kyoya just doesn't let go of that loner mentality when it comes to his rivalry with Gingka, while Gingka has never truly been alone, which may be Gingka's biggest advantage and why Kyoya has never been able to truly beat him. You can also factor in that Kyoya is too focused on defeating Gingka since Ryuga is even more of a loner than Kyoya, yet he has beaten Gingka more than once. I think Ryuga's advantage that allows him to defeat Gingka while Kyoya fails is due to Ryuga training to be the strongest overall blader, rather than just beat Gingka.
And given the nature of L-Drago and Pegasus it makes sense L-Drago grows stronger when absorbing thr negative energy of the attitude, anger, and rage of its opponents literally while in battle, while Pegasus on the other hand grows stronger when being cheered on and everyone pouring their hearts together showing Pegasus grows through positive emotions.
Yeah ryuga is a very hardworking and talented blader. Ryuga trained a lot more than gingka and had more talent. Also ryuga always had a stronger bey than gingka. Kyoya never defeated gingka, cz gingka always had to win for the sake of the plot.
People who say kyoya and gingka are equal didn’t pay attention to the series i swear. They forget the fact that gingka tanked a full powered special attack from nemesis the same attack which destroyed kyoya and left leone in pieces. There is no amount of attack that kyoya has that can defeat pegasus
So you ignore the fact that during Kyoya last 2 battles with Gingka they tied and let's be honest kyoya was winning the entire fight and tied for plot reasons... And let's not ignore that gingka was on ALL TIME HIGH plot armor againist nemsises The guy that got neg differ by ryuga somehow putting up a fight againist nemesis?
@@Auvisome Try reading what I said lol. And no they didn’t tie in every fight the only fight they did tie in was the one in masters. Having an unfinished battle is isn’t the same as having a tie
@@universalplayz7496 Kyoya wasn’t “winning the entire fight” for either of the battles lol. In masters kyoya only got the edge at the end of the battle and then they tied it’s funny that kyoya couldn’t win despite the fact that gingka wasn’t even using half of pegasus’s real power. And by the way they never tied in fury a battle being unfinished doesn’t mean it’s a tie it means the battle is just that unfinished. How about instead of comparing them using battles from previous seasons you actually try reading what I said? Kyoya has 0 attacks that can defeat pegasus at it’s full potential. If gingka is tanking full powered special attacks from nemesis and still is able to get up then kyoya has no chance of ever defeating him. The same attack that gingka tanked, kyoya was completely destroyed by
@@universalplayz7496 You definitely didn’t watch the series if you’re saying gingka got “neg diffed” If anything kyoya is the one that got no diffed he wasn’t able to do anything against ryuga in their fight, at least the battle between gingka and ryuga was actually a fight? Gingka pushed ryuga to use survive mode which was his final mode for spin stealing as well as pushing ryuga to use his special move. You can’t compare the gingka that battled ryuga to the gingka that battled rago lol. Gingka when he battled ryuga was a gingke with no special move, and that hadn’t even mastered his bey. He was obviously stronger at the end of fury then he was at the beginning. That’s like saying ryuga beating gingka is plot armor because he lost to him back in fusion
Yeah, he probably would've died as defeating Gingka overtook his life so much that I don't think Kyoya would have any idea what to do then as he'd feel...complete and at peace. He'd probably just turn into stardust afterward like Ryuga and Storm Pegasus.
I hate this term "power of friendship" like seriously ever since cj made that Ryuga video, people keep saying Gingka won only because of Power of friendship, guess what the only times Gingka won because of that power of friendship is against Rago and maybe Ryuga but that's debatable because Ryuga has the stolen power of many beys when Gingka did that too people say it's plot, but to me it's more like an evenly match battle because L Drago has the power of probably 10 beys while Pegasus only has it's own power but later it gets 3 beys powers which in the end he won because of a stronger blader's spirit and the other time he really won because of that friendship power is against Rago because he get the power of everyone on earth besides these battles he won fair and square because beys like Pegasus and L Drago will always be superior than Leone, Kerbecs etc. In the battle with Damian it was never the power of friendship at all that made Gingka won, like seriously Kerbecs was that weak compared to Pegasus, in that battle he never mentioned his friends instead he condemn Damian as a fake blader for using the arrangement. Even Gingka said "When it comes on a head to head clash, Pegasus is second to none"
This is so true. It seems like, to me at least, there's a part of him that wants to be more friendly with Gingka and co but his rivalry with Gingka gets in the way. Aguma is right, he is pretending. And I feel like if he handled his rivalry in a more humble/friendly way like Tsubasa or Yu, he might stand a chance. You see him offer Yuki a high five, but he groans first, or say things like "I didn't want to save you, I just..." but deep down, I feel like he does care and there's various signs of that. Ryuga also pushes people away but Kyoya's rivalry is played up by him to an extent that I feel gets in his way.
I have to say, Kyoya's character in Fury really irked me. It really felt like he really didn't want to be there with the gang to stop Nemesis. In previous seasons, he was willing to help the team against the Dark Nebula, finding Gingka, and stopping Hades Inc. In Fusion, he really didn't have a problem being part of the group (with Gingka, Benkei, Kenta, and Madoka), but for some reason, that disappeared in Fury
I’m not sure how to put it into words but I feel like a part of the reason is because Kyoya a mini Ryuga, their role in the series is just Ryuga but on a smaller scale, and that probably why they never won against Ginka.
Gingka and ichigo have the most plot armor of any characters I ever seen in my life, Gingka gets saved by plot armor legit every single fight, he’ll get hit by 1000 special moves, tank them, then he’ll do starbooster attack or sum shit and it’s over 😂😂
What are these comments yapping about, it's clear that Gingka is stronger than Kyoya, forget about plot Armor because Gingka has an attack type Beyblade and attack type are always op, and you all forgot that Pegasus is literally made from the same star fragment that made L Drago so in conclusion Pegasus is L Drago level that is why Leone will never overpowered Pegasus the one who has plot is Kyoya because his bey doesn't get obliterated by Pegasus just like when he faught Ryuga, soon you people will say that Gingka won against Tetsuya because of plot
Actually gingka never really mastered galaxy and cosmic pegasus, cz if he really did then why we still saw him struggle a lot multiple times and even lose sometimes against bladers with a regular bey? Why he still often needed the power of bonds to win? Gingka didnt train that much. For example if gingka really master galaxy pegasus, why did he need his special move to defeat nowaguma? Nowaguma wasnt that strong.
I think there is literally one point in the story in which Kyoya could've beat Gingka, only problem he didnt battle against Gingka because there were more important things, but I believe during Hades city, maybe before the defeat of the spiral force its pretty likely Kyoya should've won, because he faced an upgraded Damian who was stronger than final battle Gingka which was like hours ago and he defeated him
Every since the anime ended I always wanted them to have a rematch to settle the score because kyoya kept remind gingka that they will battle after they defeat the great evil right?
He did indirectly beat Ginga in the 6 way battle Royal in metal fusion (no they did not directly fight or even clash once but Kyoya realized that he couldn't focus on one person he had to be vigilant of all opponents which is why he won that) other than that Kyoya absolutely could have beaten him in Metal Masters I personally believe that Ginga had a little bit of plot armor going for him being that Kyoya created the perfect move to beat him and the reason they tied was because Ginga used the power of friendship. It is my personal head canon that Kyoya beat Ginga at the end of Metal Fury because Kyoya stated he wanted to beat all legendary bladers then face Ginga, I personally believe after accomplishing that he absolutely could have done it.
Tbf Gingka and Ryuga both possess the two original beyblades from the stars. So they both have always had a little power advantage over the other beyblades but Gingka didn't train as hard as Ryuga. Ryuga even said that he relies on the power of his bey too much which is why he took a few L's throughout the series. My litte head canon
I feel in the metal masters, Kyoya should have won against Ginga.. Ging only tied because of the plot amor nothing else.. they should have let Ginga loose to Kyoya, should have let Nile and Masamune to Tie and then similar to the final battle, should have let Ginga and Masamune both take over Kyoya and Nile and proceed... They could have let Ginga win in the next battle around the beach with Big Bang Pegasus.. Kyoya is Vegeta of Dragon Ball.. haha
4:17, 5:16 I think you could’ve gone more into depth on that idea. Maybe the inherent contradiction in his character is a part of that hump you mentioned. Like you said, he won’t ever fully accept the power of friendship; however he isn’t Ryuga either. As the story demonstrated, him going it alone was not going to allow him to find the strength he sought. I think the anime Metal series ended PERFECTLY by not elaborating on who won the final match between Kyoya and Ginkga. To me, by having Kyoya becoming Ginkga’s equal in power, and NEVER losing to him after the first season, Kyoya achieved the best version of himself. Someone who is more than strong and capable enough of being alone, perhaps even content, but choose to become one of the greatest in the world by consciously making and maintain a meaning relationships with others. I interpret his scene in shogun steel as a continuation as well, he is not directly a part of the main group, but with them in spirit, alongside only his younger brother physically. (Ehh but maybe it’s just a kids show 😂😂)
Kyoya was pretty even against Ginka was around the Metal Masters saga when Ginka did not master his “New Pegasus yet”. But even if Master , Kyoya train really hard to counter every Pegasus special move Even later on , when Ginka defeat Damien and Damien got a lot more stronger just to fight Ginka again, Kyoya went beast mode and destroyed Damien who just got way more buffed lol. After that in Metal Fury you could say they are “even” but Ginka always edge out him for a bit. Thats also considering that Kyoya always choose locations that benefits him and Ginka just rolls with it lol.
@@Angeljin-Fq5yx In the Manga however , Damien is actually the 3rd or 4th strongest blader. He is much stronger in the manga than in the anime and it is stated that "him and Ginka are same power level if not a bit more powerful" but Ginka "clutch out" the win. Also in the anime Damian is pretty much the 4th place blader behind Ryuga , Ginka and Kyoya cuz we have to remember that on Metal Masters they already stated that Kyoya trained so hard that he is "on par with Ginka". And it was "the closest" time Kyoya was about to beat Ginka.
@henryreturns1397 finally someone who understands. Otherwise people don't understand this the way you did. I have gotten into very toxic debates here on youtube comments section on this very same topic. Looks like I don't have to do thar with you
I agree kyoya beat a stronger Damian but gingka at the end of masters also got buffed as he tanked spiral force energy which was enough to destroy the planet madoka even says gingka has to be stronger than when he fought Damian in the finals to stop spiral force
Icl it was just plot,after the first 2 times they fought and gingka won, kyoya had gingka on ropes on in ropes those last 2 matches, and then gingka just screams and they draw 😭
That’s because gingka gets stronger every battle he pushes past his limits so when anyone does he is always one step ahead there is no blader that has truely beat full power Pegasus ryuga never bet gingka at full power and gingka has never bet ryuga full power
And still, Kyoya is a better character than Gingka. I always prefers Kyoya, Kenya, Ryuga or another character than Gingka, since their plot and development are far better.
Well technically their was one battle at the end of metal fury we don’t really know what happened but we know Kyoya had to beat all the legendary bladers to get there we can always theorize wether or not gingka lost that match though you think Ben k would have said something
In metal masters it definitely felt like plot armour for Ginga. Kyoya had dominated the whole match and not only should he have won that match but team Wild Fang probably should’ve won the world tournament Nile and Kyoya are 2 of quite possibly the top 5 bladers in the metal masters series Ginga, Ryuga and Kyoya are top 3 After that it’s Damian Then you can fight over 4th with Niel, Deshian, Julian and Jack I’d even go so far to argue Niel could potentially beat Damian
this is hillarious saying team wild fang should ve won the world championship are you kiddin me whole purpose of the series is GINGKA TO BECOME THE STRONGEST BLADER
Kyoya has that Vegeta effect when he trains. They both isolate when training instead of fighting others to help grow stronger. They both are more strength focused in fighting strong opponents instead of strategizing. Plus they never give themselves time to reflect or recover from training. Gingka is more adaptable since he battles more bladders for training. His battle style makes more sense since his bey is an attack type. And having a group means he can learn from them and be supported. Plus Pegauses is a Legendary bey just like L- Drago. The main thing that Ryuga has is Left rotation and Strength sapping which gives he an extra boost compared to basically everyone not even counting his training.
Kyoya is equal to Gingka most of the time, it’s just Pegasus counters Leon’s arsenal. So power and skill wise they’re the same but in a 1 on 1, it will always go to Gingka.
The rayuga argument isnt valid: keep in mind the only times rayuga beats kyoga and ginga is when he is using the dark power or fights them when they havent mastered their bey yet. kyoya vs rayuga was extreme diff and he didnt get much stronger after that seing as he still used the same special move on ginga. Aditionally KENTA PRE STAR FRAGMENT is able to scar L drago, kyoya scales higher than even post fragment kenta seing as how he beat all the legend bladers before the fina scene with ginga. also L drago post surpassing the dark power is NO LONGER able to absorb a beys power from any angle as he is now limited to direct hits on the metal wheel. ginga also calls kyoya his greatest rival at the final scene.
Kyoyas biggest weakness, imo is that his only goal was to defeat Ginka, and i mean nothing else Its supposed to be a reflection into himself where i think his ambition needs others to be complete,
Anytime that Gingka won they say its plot Armor but when others won people say they deserve the win, why is this happening, if you paid attention to the anime you will clearly see that Kyoya's main goal is to defeat Gingka and no one else, the reason he never won is not because Gingka is stronger but because the Pegasus bey is superior to Leone and even Gingka stated that when it comes on a head to head clash, Pegasus is second to none, which clearly shows the superiority of Gingka's bey, given the fact that Pegasus is created for the sole purpose to defeat L Drago thereby it's next to impossible for a bey like Leone to defeat such a legendary bey and because it's the extreme power of the bey itself, it's not always luck that it can defeat Leone but because if sheer brute force thereby debunking the plot Armor claim
Yeah there were completely equal since masters You can even argue in fusion because he was beating ryuga before he was took over And gingka needed help from his friends
that is true he probably would have beaten ryuga had he not been taken over but the reason gingka was so great because of the support of his friends that he accepted wheras kyoya neglected that
People who say kyoya and gingka are equal didn’t pay attention to the series i swear. They forget the fact that gingka tanked a full powered special attack from nemesis the same attack which destroyed kyoya and left leone in pieces. There is no amount of attack that kyoya has that can defeat pegasus
They were never equal. Gingka was always a step ahead, And he was never beating Ryuga in fusion. They were more tied. The only time they battled and tied gingka hadn’t Mastered galaxy pegasus yet. And the second battle again neither of them had mastered their new beys yet. And if Kyoya was as powerful he would have survived along with gingka and Pegasus when they were fighting Rago. He didn’t. Gingka is a powerful blader no matter how you slice it. It’s the goku and vegeta story. Goku will always be a step ahead. Doesn’t matter how much vegeta trains.
@damonestephens8722 but Kyoya literally has better feats from masters to before the nemesis fight.... They tied in master but in terms of feats kyoya clears He took down a stronger Damien which is better than gingka best feat of taking down weaker daemon His also stronger in fusion as he put up alot better fight against ryuga (No outside help) In fury kyoya had the upper hand so like idk how someone argues gingka is better until the 2nd part of the nemesis battle.
@@damonestephens8722in fusion, kyoya still had his strongest special move up his sleeve in the clash right before l drago took over ryuga, whereas ryuga only had enough power for another dark move after l drago tapped into the stolen power. kyoya definitely would’ve won.
I believe it was just plot because s2 gingka and s3 gingka barely even trained half as hard as other bladers Pegasus is literally too broken and naturally strong but Ryuga on the other hand understood that it’s the blader that makes the bey if you truly master it I believe gingka never touched that mastery with Pegasus until maybe the shotgun steel series but still his bey is just too op
After season 1 it was made clear that Gingka and Kyoya were equals, as you said they tied every battle after season 1. They also lost to the same people in season 3 with both Gingka and Kyoya losing to Ryuga and Aguma. I will say I do like to think Kyoya beat Gingka in the final battle and while I don’t have any evidence for that in shogun steel we see Kyoya is retired from Beyblade and settled down which makes me believe he finally achieved his goal of beating Gingka and was satisfied enough with his career to retire.
They both also lost to aguma 1. Tied in masters 2. Both beat Damian (strongest person ) 3. Tied in beginning of fury 4. Both lose to ryuga 5. Both lose to aguma 6. Then they fought at the end Kyoya did spin the block and beat aguma though And then beat every other legendary blader
It can be a stretch to say who has won and/or if they both tied at the end of that battle. Cause there's a lot more speculations that goes in for that one speculation. Like did they have any other battles after the ending of 4D (7 years is a long time), did Kyoya have a new Bey just like Gingka did with Samurai Pegasus, did Kyoya fight Ryuga too since in 4D it's heavily hinted that he's alive according to Sakyo, etc. Not saying you're wrong, but not saying you're right either. What I'm saying is that it's all N/A or not confirmed by the writers of the anime. Unless they give us some sort of Q&A for the Metal Fight series.
To be honest kyoya should have really won against Ginga in the world tournament the only reason he didn't was because of ginga determination not to lose but here's the thing do I believe they are equal absolutely not, ginga is stronger than kyoya overallbut during that part of series ginga hasn't even mastered pegasus and has completely forgotten the lessons about bey spirit from season 1 because of this gjnga would struggle or lose to people he should be beating no problem because he couldn't use 100 percent of pegasus power which why kyoya was able to overwhelm ginga in season 2 notice how in season 2 when ryuga battle ginga and noticed straight away that ginga hasn't even mastered pegasus all in all right if ginga has full control of pegasus yeah he's beat kyoya every time regardless of how strong kyoya is now the reason kyoya can't beat ginga its due to spirit ginga will is a lot stronger than kyoya and him.not being honest with himself it what's hold him back,
