Why Mario Maker 3D CAN Work 

What will be the best part of Mario Maker 3D? Drop a Metal Mario on that sub button.

A Mario Maker 3D trailer would blow everyone’s minds! Imagine the ‘D’ falling into frame and the camera turns to reveal a 3D logo!!

“a designer’s dream is a developer’s nightmare”

16:13 You can add a star to a boss. Just grab a star and put it on the same tile as the boss, and it should tie the star to it.

Who said Mario Maker 3D wouldn’t work? I’ve been dreaming of a Mario Maker for Super Mario 3D World since Mario Maker 2.

I really think that Nintendo should allow custom messages for the NPCs. They're an important part of the immersion in the levels that make them feel unique and lived in. Also the Switch has a filter that prevents the use of bad words. It doesn't let you confirm the message if it detects a bad word, so it would be fine.

only problem with this, having people have to unlock new features would be the worst possible thing to do. all things should be accessible from the start.

I feel like in most user created levels would be horribly designed the camera would be jank and lead to a lot of blind jumps and it would have tones of soft lock points

Nintendo must make Mario Maker 3D once the Switch 2 launches.

something important you missed about controlling mario is its not just about tricks like wall jumping, but general physics and reactions, like how he responds to turning or collisions, minute responses like these are different for each game and will mess with expectations in how mario is supposed to move mario maker makes every style control like new u, which i think is fine for 2d where the number of possible movements is significantly lower, and new u has a more polished physics system than the others, which are much older games with rougher controls although mario 64 is and old game with rough physics, its so well known that people will be caught off guard if it controls like odyssey, and vis versa odyssey would not feel smooth with 64s controls each game was designed for their own sake and not with a homogenised multi-game engine in mind

Is not being able to switch to 3D world in the middle of building your level really the worst thing about Mario Maker 2? I don't know about everyone else, but before I even start building a level I generally have a general idea of what I want the level to be like which will generally determine which game mode it will be from the very beginning.

As a modder of both Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario 3D World, I do think 3D is still impossible even with the ideas you mentioned. At most I can somewhat see a Mario 64 version but no more then that, the other games have way to much detail in the 3D models and there are so many things that just wouldn’t work. Using blocks could only go so far, and how would you make planets that didn’t aren’t just extremely blocky, or yet how would materials work? Or even Gravity work? You know how complicated gravity is to set up?!Every “bean” in the Galaxy games have 3 different extremely precise Gravity areas, and even if Nintendo made say a BeanGravityArea, all the beans would just look the same as they can’t be modelled out to be unique. Not to mention all the other issues not related to models. How would launch star paths work? Just setting them up in SMG is a pain and getting Bézier curves to do what the player wants would be really tricky, and not to mention, the game would have to have ViewGroupAreas made by the game which is also pretty impossible to do sadly. Even the most basic things, such as adding a Boss Fight, would be a nightmare. How would Meowser even work? If he used the 3D World version, you would need a huge tower and it would just feel like the original game, if they turned the Mario Maker 2 variant into 3D and used that, it would literally be the most depressing boss fight ever as it would just stay there. Mario Maker and Mario Maker 2 are already very limited as making an editor that people who never have done level design before would be hella hard, and locking it into 2D makes that concept so much easier. If people really want a Mario Maker 3D, just use Mario Builder 64, or better yet , actually mod the game, it’s more fun that way instead of wanting a Mario Maker 3D which if somehow ever got made it would be horrid and all we would have a million flip-panel and beat block levels with grass blocks.

Wait until Mario Maker 4D: Complete with every game in the world!

I’m glad someone finally covers the editor because in most clickbait Mario Maker 3D trailers the player literally just drags a 3d object onscreen and it’s somehow right where they want it

A old 3D freegame I played many years ago, called "Turbo Lode", also used this kind of level editor, it's really easy to make 3D levels with that!

i have to say that i was sceptical at first about 3d maker, but now i see the vision and how easy it would be to use

The issue isn't that it can't work from a design or technological stance, the issue is that Nintendo would not do that.

I can see an editor working, but allowing players to change styles is a different beast entirely. The mechanical differences in 3D Mario games makes the differences in 2D Mario games laughably minor - spin and wall jumps, seriously? Even the 3D World style was still mostly a 2D game control-wise. If I were to guess, the game would have a set 3D style, controlling and looking similarly to Bowser's Fury, with power-ups and features "borrowed" from the different games, but still designed around those set 3D controls.

0:02 They’re not really haters. They just think it would be less easy to use than the 2D Version. It’s not impossible but it’s just too complicated. People wouldn’t know how to make 3D levels because they are so used to designing 2D levels.

For signs and NPCs, you could also just implement a sensor that automatically blocks inappropriate words and an AI translator for cross region sharing

“Kids wouldn’t figure out 3D maker” Most of them can’t figure out proper levels in 2D already.

I think for the text it should be like Dark Souls / Elden Ring where you have phrases and words to mix and match messages such as: "Beware, X is below" and X can be "Bottomless Pit", "Enemy", or "Treasure" for instance

Loved this video. I hope Nintendo actually make a Mario Maker 3D game. Arrowstotle Maker 3D Deluxe U Switch Lite will be the best game ever.

i think it would be a great idea to add a "advanced building mode" for pro builders where you could import 3D models and add custom scripts and music to your level, and there could be some pre-made scripts so there will be lots of amazing levels.

By far the biggest reason Nintendo wouldn't make this is that people could make levels that rival the ones Nintendo would make. This would cause less sales in future Mario games

I don't see editing in 3d be hard. I see it being pretty hard to render compared to 2d Mario Maker. 2d Mario Maker already downgraded a lot of sprites, and NSMBU completely got spritified.

It’s not the building part that’s impossible, it’s the playing part

You'd only really need one style for a 3D game. The different 2D styles all represented advancements in the game engine, from 8 bit, (SMB) to expanded 8 bit (SMB3) to 16 bit (SMW) to 64 bit (NSMBU), and 3DW being a conversion of an original 3D game. So the graphics (sprites, etc.) and sound effects were vastly different from game to game. With the 3D games, from Sunshine up, it's all 64 bit, and the same basic graphics; it's just the objects (backgrounds, items, etc.) that are different. So you could have one style, and just choose which items to represent whichever game. Like you could make either flat groumd, or the little worldlets for the Galaxys, the different scenes of Odyssey, etc. the Fludd pack or other specific powerups. Havng one style with all those selections would probably take up less data space than separate styles. The only 3D game with different graphics is 64, which was the early polygon graphics, and with this new 64 Builder out now, we already have that.

This video reminded of when i had an idea to make a mariokart maker. Basically you make the design of the map by drawing it out like a minimap. After finishing the map u can go in and just move some parts of the road up and down to make it 3d and also replace some parts of the map with premade assets such as a booster with a mushroom pad. Then like how the 3d mario maker works in this video you can add objects around the map. Sorry if this doesnt make sense (i wrote this while pulling an all nighter)

They’ve already made a 3D game creator with Game Builder Garage. I think what’s seen in the video is a very Mario Maker style thing to do, and is a simplified fun experience. Game Builder Garage is a lot harder to get into, and the way boxes layer over each other in the X and Y axis can make it harder to make it harder to see.

1:33 I swear I've seen this scene before

Adding on to this is that the original release trailer for the Mario Builder 64 ROM Hack got taken down by Nintendo (the hack itself is still available luckily), and it's become a bit of a meme where if Nintendo takes down a fan project they might be making something similar (It was about 2 years between the takedown of AM2R and the release of the official Metroid II remake on 3DS and about 4-5 years between the takedown of the original version of SMBX and the release of Super Mario Maker 1). This honestly gives me a bit of hope that Nintendo might be planning a 3D Super Mario Maker 3 for the Switch successor console.

People who think it’s impossible should play Disney Infinity.

5:24 Personally, I think something even better than this would be to expand the Super Worlds concept to have chapter selects for levels if you choose, but win conditions per-level could be a variety of things just like regular Mario Maker 2, such as collecting all coins, defeating all of a certain enemy, getting all the moons/stars, getting a certain AMOUNT of moons/stars out of a total, and more.

I don't think it would work very well unless it was heavily simplified, with even less options than the first mario Maker, but in a 3d space

1. The level edit should use isometric grade. 2. The stages SHOULD be platarfom based like 3D Mario land/World This Will be better than a openword 64 style game

That’s a cool level! I do have a question unrelated question though: Why are you currently streaming past videos on a loop?

Ok, speaking for us, the "haters" of a Mario Maker 3D. Since saying why it's not a good idea doesn't convince you guys, I'm going to give some examples. (And if you don't think I know what I'm talking about, I have played all 2D and 3D Mario's, a lot of Mario 64 and Mario World hack roms and probably more Mario Maker than you) Imagine trying to find a hidden block in a random place of the map with a key in a 3D level, imagine fighting a hundred random enemies in a 3D level, imagine a really big maze in a 3D level, imagine water levels in 3D, imagine just how BAD the camera would be in a 3D Mario Maker, imagine doing a "no skip" run on the endless mode and having to play a really bad level in which you have to find not just a flagpole, but seven different horribly made stars, imagine trying to make a level and not being able to draw it with the touch screen, imagine not having a time-limit and letting people create infinitely long and infinitely boring courses, imagine the limitations and simplifications Nintendo would have to include to make it accessible, for it not to be a bug-fest and for the game to not take seven years of development, (and for the game to run without burning your switch 2 tbh). These are just a few examples. If half of the Mario Maker 1 and 2 courses are bad, in a 3D game it would be more like 85 percent, and the ones that are good would be worse than the good 2D Mario Maker courses, because they would be a lot more repetitive, sometimes "more" is less. There are a LOT of platformers about making your own courses in 2D, there are really few 3D ones, there is a reason for that. And for god's sake, don't compare kids making levels with them playing Minecraft, as if playing a survival and making a house is as hard as game design.

RU-vid introduced me to this channel by downloading this video to my phone - and it rocks. New subscriber gained, I look forward to what you put out next!

I'd like a super mario galaxy maker cuz with only one theme u dont have to worry of some features and u can even add another type of editor 4 certain blocks or enemies like in fall guys creative mode. There could be 8 types of items: planets, platforms, gizoms, power ups, enemies, barriers, decorations, starting point/star/checkpoints

I think a cool feature would be if you could spawn in a player at your cursor to test sections without needing to play the level proper, so you can test areas before you finish

I love how you demonstrated the ease of making flaming hot garbage levels.

Nintendo is too greedy to make us play galaxy, sunshine, and odyssey for only 60 bucks

A Mario Maker 3D game (actually made by Nintendo) would be very interesting. Also, Arrowstotle Maker 3D Deluxe Switch Lite will be the best game ever.

They could also have global leader boards for how many stars you have

I feel like people are forgetting that map editors in games used to be super common. When I was 10 I was making skate parks in THPS2 and a few years after that I was making maps in Timesplitters 2. These tools used to be COMMON. Now they don't exist like, anywhere and people assume the young audience just couldn't figure it out, but they'd be wrong.

Most difficult thing would be sloped terrain. They could do it with a painter of some kind but they'd still need to limit it in some way

I like this idea but I’m pretty sure Nintendo wouldn’t ever make it and even if they would it definitely wouldn’t be as cool

Getting 3d bosses that would be sick

One thing that is interesting to consider is the camera for 3d in editing being different from the camera in game, for the 2d Mario maker games it’s very easy to look at how the level will look while you’re making it because you look at it from the same angle, but for 3d it’s a lot harder to get an idea how the level will actually be like when you’re playing in the middle of making it, you mentioned the comparison to Minecraft and in that game you create with the same controls you play with which I’d say probably adds to its ease of use.

I think for 64land, entities and blocks could be on a lattice to streamline everything, but you could also have platforms and props that can be rotated, scaled and placed freely, like little islands for that special 3d platformer feel. But Blockland levels could be bound to the lattice completely in exchange for more professional and fancy looking levels and fancy mechanics similar to mm2 making use of Mario Land levels as more advanced than basic new smb levels.

You forget the Most important reason for why it probably will never happen. Do you know how profitable 3D Mario Games are & how much a 3D Mario Maker risks cutting those profits if it ever happened. 2D Mario was at a temporary dead end when Mario Maker was released & it took a decade for Nintendo to come up with Wonder after the New Series Games ended. I see Kaze being hired to make a New Super Mario 64 game by Nintendo as more likely than a full 3D Mario Maker.

I have a few very niche issues, but mainly just the way the camera and placement works in what you described, but other than that good job at laying out a foundation for it(I already was on board but still useful to have a pre-existing idea)

I would honestly really love to hear epic remixes of the levels while in build mode for Mario galaxy and 64

Yep, I know that one Mario 64 builder game.

Imagine they are working on it and this video has everything they added

I think the editor of tracimania is the best for simply editing If this mario exist, nintendo must be inspired by it

“Nobody would like building in 3D! It’s too hard!” *minecraft looking through the blinds like Jim Halpert*

For the next video on tips and tricks can you make it the legend of Zelda themed I mean like tips for the power up

Arrowstotle Maker 3D Deluxe U Switch Lite will be back the best game over.

i loved mario maker when i first played the 1st because i could play it on my ds and play it anywhere. that made me happy. in mario maker 2 i loved it because i thought it was cool seeing all of the new features but with sprites for the OG mario game ( Super Mario Bros. )

The signs could have words you combine to make messages, like dark souls style. The worst you’ll get is “finger but hole”

great video ontop of including the creation of the level you made .. my only concern is how they would get the level to maintain the same when switching through the other styles of the games provided like MM2, hopefully they don't go with the "this style will erase everything" approach.

if they make a mario maker 3 having a 3D editor would be fun as hell to mess around in i just hope they title it as mario maker 3(D)

Mario: its a koopa! Koopa: theres more of me... mario: oh no. Da koopa army: BuAh bAuH !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mario Maker 3D never even occured to me. Such a cool idea.

Its kinda true, but i feel like a Mario Maker 3D will never happen since they can just recreate 3D Games level and Nintendo will lose money, they can already do it in SMM but it's 2D and Nintendo knows 2D is kinda bad nowadays

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo, if they make a 3d Mario maker, adds marching cubes (makes cubes smooth)

3D world not sharing parts isn't a flaw. It has its own rules, its own blocks and mechanics that the others dont have. Rather than have the styles limit each other its best they have something that sets them apart from other styles. Its the LITTERAL OPPOSITE of rigid and stale.

ive been hoping for a 3D mario maker for so long, it would be so awesome to have. I hope Nintendo makes it happen some day, judging by the releases I'd expect something after the next console release, whenever that happens. (not another switch re-release, a whole new console)

Arrowstotle Maker 3D Deluxe U Switch Lite will be the best game ever.

4:00 GORDON FREEMAN?????

I expect Mario maker 3D to have polygon mode to create entity models and levels without the blocks, pretty sure I can see the consequences unravels pretty quickly like smash ultimate

I would really rather the next Mario maker to be 2d, just because I love how Mario wonder looks so much. I guess they would probably make a 2d Mario maker game at some point after that.

I learned blender at 11 years old so I think I can learn how to make a level in a 3d Level creator

what do you mean mario maker 3D will exist? it already is. *shows a copy of mario maker on the 3DS*

11:04 i feel like you should be able to do it with the wing cap so you can get the star in 2 ways🙏🏼🔥

i get that its possible but its probably a little complicated for nintendo's target demographic, would take longer because there is a third dimension and basically any way to simplify the building would just make it really limiting. the only thing i can see it working is if it was something closer to old fortnite creative where there are plenty of simple options for the less advanced players but many more complicated tools to make better stuff for the more experienced players. also, themes arent just a hurdle because of the objects, the way bigger issue is the physics. they basically have to redo most physics engines entirely to make it meet modern standards while not being identical to the other styles. also, the resetting between styles is basically guaranteed as almost every 3d mario game has drastically different artsyles and enemies and making all those 3d models just takes up even more time, unlike in the previous games where there was only those for nsmbu which already mostly existed and those for 3d world which was seperate and didnt have to carry over between themes anyway TL;DR just too much work and time for nintendo to even consider making

0:58 so I am a kid and ive been making levels in mb64 and yea honestly it was easier for me to make good 3d levels then 2d levels mainly thanks to stars

Ok but what about the spherical gravitational pull planets from Mario galaxy? That’s REALLY what I’m looking to build

I love you version of Mario maker 3d, and your level looks fun I can’t wait to see the perfected version 🤩

I feel like Mario maker 3d would need a bit of optimization, but it is a cool idea!

It's a lovely playground of a level, but to people trying that stage for the first time, there could be a clear path to follow for collecting red coins & more lenient timing on some of the challenges (avg player just barely clears on 1st attempt, as opposed to someone with knowledge on how to clear just barely makes it).

This Is A Really Cool Idea But I'd Rather It Be A Mode Instead Of The Full Game Maybe Make 3D World And 3 More 3D Styles So We Can Have 2D: SMB, SMB3, SMW, NSMBU 3D: SM3DW, SM64, SMG, SMO (Those Are The Themes I'd Put)

Mario maker 3d would probably have the hardest levels in mario maker history because of how much you can do with these games

There's an algorithm ( more a technique than an algorithm ), called sine wave function collapse, in a nutshell let's say you placed a water block surrounded by ground, the algorithm automatically will pick a model based on the situation, for instance you can have a grassy theme and water connects in a small shore, but then you have a jungle theme and it connects through mud, kinda like Minecraft fences but much more complex, you only need to worry about placing the base layer, all the flare and models to make it look right are picked automatically, paired with simple grid-snapped props like bushes, fences or ramps, ans you get yourself a very robust system to make levels, in fact Dota 2 editor used this exact technique to make higher up places have more decor, not to mention Super Mario 3D world is very blocky if you think about it.

And now we wait for Nintendo to see this

Speaking of Minecraft, having it work how you build stuff in Minecraft could also be useful

If dreams is possible then a Mario maker 3D is definitely possible

Probably never gonna get another game like 3D land, so i hope they do make 3D maker and add 3D land stuff

I love to think of a 3D Mario Maker that is sort of similar to DOOM 2016's snap map editor

People don't think level editing in 3D would be easy? Feels like less people played Disney Infinity than I thought

Wow, that looks really interesting. Makes me want to break out the cash for Super Mario Maker 2 again. ^_^

So hyped for Arrowstotle Maker 3D Deluxe U Switch Lite. It’ll 100% be the best game ever. I’m glad Nintendo actually listens to their community.

I don’t think it’s possible (sadly) because most of the 3D games are too recent and unique (compared to the 2D games). Nintendo likes $$$, and they’d make more bread by keeping the 3D games independent. This forces to people to buy more of their games. You can see this is in practice by how Nintendo designed the 3D World game-mode as 2D. The two are completely different, incentivising customers to by both Mario Maker 2 and 3D World.

A very nice proof of concept

If we ever get SMM3D, I'd probably try to remake Sonic Adventure 2.

I thought Metal Mario would be extra vulnerable to the amps.

Simpleflips is popping off

With the next console , i hope we will be able to create our own galaxies , or a Galaxy 3 👌