Why Marvel's Spider-Man (2017 Show) is Bad 

I like a young Peter, but I hate that all of the villains are de-aged too

Peter in this show feels like fucking Jimmy Neutron, he has to say everything in scientifical terms and basically cause half the problems in this show. It's not the voice actors fault, he did great for what he was given, it's just the writing bad

To Ultimate's credit, J.K Simmons voices Jameson.

The fact that this show has more episodes than spectacular Spiderman hurts my soul

I can’t believe you went the whole review without referencing the fact that instead of just saying the phrase, Uncle Ben gives Peter the formula “Great power is equivalent to great responsibility” on a paper written as “GP = GR”, and that they actually have Doc Ock write it on a white board and treat it like a real equation during the Superior Spider-Man arc

Marvels Spider-Man: *uses mathematics and equations to simply throw a bomb.* Spectacular Spider-Man: *just throws a bomb.* Simple as that

Not gonna lie I actually really enjoyed ultimate Spider-Man, until I rewatched Spectacular Spider-Man and seen how much of a downgrade it really was. But it was definitely better than this show imo

The biggest turn off for me with this show is the animation it looks so cheap, say what you want about ultimate but at least it looks good, spectacular was both beautifully animated and the storytelling was top notch.

The fact that Disney made two Spider-Man shows with multiple seasons just to try and live up to the hype of Spectacular Spider-Man which only had two seasons really speaks volume.

Apparently Nadji Jeter voiced Miles in this series. I'm glad Insomniac gave him a better version to work with in the games

When Flash Thompson starts to become intelligent, you know you f'ed up

I don't like ultimate Spiderman, but I can appreciate the fact they went in a new direction to try and keep the spider formula fresh. The 2017 series though, is just atrocious to look at

At least 60s spideys poor animation had charm I'd take 60s animation any day

12:34 One thing I'm bothered by when it comes to other people getting spider powers is that they all seem to be as capable as Spider-Man, or at least effective enough far too quickly. Spider-Man isn't just a strong guy that crawls on walls and has a danger sense. He's a genius that had to make his own webs, his own costume, and through formal means or otherwise learn how to fight and use his abilities effectively to be a hero. Maybe I'm missing context here, but simply being bitten doesn't give you acrobatic skills without any training and practice. Not sure about the comics, but I suppose it works here since Miles is also a smart guy that goes to the same tech school as Peter. However, with that said it makes him feel more redundant and less distinct, especially in a world where Spider-Man is still very much alive. Yeah, he has invisibility and electrical powers that are unique to him, but those feel tacked on considering they go outside of the spider motif. War Machine having a similar suit to Iron Man but with a higher focus on rapid fire bullet artillery makes sense since there's multiple ways to equip and weaponize a flying suit of metal armour. However, I just can't say the same for giving Spider-Man electricity and invisibility powers since they don't fit as well with the rest of the original powerset. Yes, I know Miles is a comic book creation that existed before this show, and I'll admit I'm not too familiar with his initial run, but these are just the general feelings I have on the character and all these different spider people. And the fact that this show shoves all that in so soon makes it feel like a Marvel show with Spider-Man as the lead instead of a Spider-Man show, if that makes sense.

I think that the biggest problem with this iteration of Spider-Man is that they throw every other Spider-themed character into the mix way too fast. Especially Miles Morales. When Miles Morales gets spider-powers, it is distinctly stated that Peter has had powers for about 3 months. That’s problematic because Peter is supposed to have way more experience than Miles. Their relationship just works better. I mean, just look at Into the Spiderverse. Or Spider-Man PS4/ Miles Morales. In both instances you have a Miles who is far less experienced than Peter. In my opinion, if Peter is going to be alive at the same time that Miles is Spider-Man, they need to have a Master and Apprentice relationship. This mainly has to do with Peter being a super COMPETENT hero (not perfect, but competent), and Miles looking up to him because of that. In 2017 Spider-Man, nobody respects Peter’s Spidey. The only thing that makes him stand out against everyone else, besides the fact that he’s there main character so he’s obligated to be in every episode, is that he was the fist to get spider themed powers. That’s it. Everyone else is smarter than him and almost definitely more qualified. Well. There’s my rant on this show and kinda Spider-Man as a whole. I wonder how many people will get to the bottom of this comment.

Remember when Peter could be funny but not annoying and smart but not obnoxious about it. Yeah good times good times.

Also why tf is every villain just a kid from his high school or from his best friend’s high school.

The worst thing about this show is how inaccurate they got peter , he isn't much of a team player and mostly works alone but here there are too many spider people .

I grew up with this show, it kind of hurts realizing how bad it is. The good thing of having been a child when I watched this show is that critics and opinions of others weren't my problem, I just watched the screen and be like "Hell yeah it's Spiderman"

Marvel's Spiderman may not be a good show to all the Spiderman fans out there, but it does show physical and mental barriers being broken by friendship. What I love about this show is even though Harry was cold to Peter in the beginning after finding out he was the "menace" he hated, even after all that, their friendship remained strong, just like in Ultimate Spiderman. The previous Harry Osborns didn't have strong bonds with their Peters like the two new characters mentioned. In the 90's tv show, Harry starts out as a nice kid, but after his father supposedly dies, he literally gets sent to a mental hospital, reliving the trauma over and over again then crashes his best friend's wedding with MJ for nothing short of revenge. In Spectacular Spiderman, Harry was even more cold to Peter when he saw his best friend hanging out with the popular kids, then stealing all his glory, and took a bottle of goblin infused green liquid inside of it. And he kept drinking it, considering the consequences but not abiding by them. Gwen even noticed it happening and tried to stop him, but he pushed her away and did it over again. Keep in mind that it seemed like they had something when the prom happened. Sadly, that didn't work out. Ultimate Spiderman Harry got the brunt of it, but even after bonding with the symbiote, he still stuck by Peter's side. This one definitely hits the nail on the head for the Parker-Osborn friendship as well. Like I explained, Harry and Peter started out as being friends since they were kids, but after Spider Island and the so-called "death" of his father, they broke it off for a while. And yes, Harry did shut Peter out while he tried healing his father, while Peter tried his best to be there for him. But after Hobgoblin Part 2, when Norman orders him to kill Spiderman, their bond strengthens to the point that Harry doesn't even hesitate to throw down the sword and stay by Peter's side. What makes me smile also is that despite Anya and Gwen's irritation with Peter, they eventually come to respect him, while Miles just trusts him immediately. Battle after battle, including Ock's death, these six have shown they are friends until the end. I do hope that in the future, if we do get a new Spiderman show, it shows more friendship moments like this one, and Ultimate does.❤💙 Thank you for listening to my TED TALK about Spider-Man.🕸

I'm not an art expert but my god that shading looked BEAUTIFUL. It reminded me of a 90s anime. The lights and reflections in the air and on the street was just a beautiful sight. Disgusting how Disney is too greedy to throw in chump change to add shading to a cartoon

Not gonna lie this is honestly the most boring Spider-Man ever, sure Ultimate Spider-Man was kinda bad, but nothing compared to this. Ultimate Spider-Man at its worst is Marvel Spider-Man at its best. There were just so many unnecessary scientific facts, and the fact that everyone just happens to go to a special gifted school or the fact that how Peter goes back in forth from Midtown to Horizon High every time he has money problems. Or the fact that the core 4 characters just suddenly become superheroes.

It’s so disappointing that this past decade lacked even a decent Spider-Man animated series. The closest to one would be Stretch Armstrong and the Flex Fighters, which is a spiritual successor that shares a lot of crew from Spectacular Spider-Man.

The 3D environments always took me out of it. The nonexistent shading on the environments felt lacking and make the characters look like they were gliding in their environment rather than actually walking in it. I’m okay with the anime-esque aesthetic but it was pretty janky at times.

watching him talk about the spot as a nobody hit different now

I remember the hype around this show but when it finally came out, so many people were disappointed. I wasn't expecting much because it was a Disney Marvel cartoon but I can't lie when I say I was also disappointed. I fell asleep during the first episode.

Miles was made to replace a dead peter and should have continued to have his own separate universe with occasional spiderverse team ups etc. The spider verse movie got it right. The fact they brought him into main continuity was a weird choice.

Yeah, when I saw the Guardians of the Galaxy Spider-Man episode I was actually confused why he looked weird.

Gwen and Anya aren’t friends with Peter, they are merely annoying co worksrs

I'm honestly just sick and tired of techie genius characters. They are becoming increasingly unrelatable. I much prefer it when Peter is the only person in his peer group who's a nerd, and that he really has to claw and scrape his way towards finding like-minded people who, unfortunately, often become villains who eventually have to fight him without knowing it.

They tried too hard to make Peter seem nerdy. In the MCU, he mentions wanting to try out for football, but he knows he can't because of his powers. In the Ultimate comics, he was on the basketball team for a short time. In THIS SHOW, Peter thinks "touchdown" is a baseball term, and says "tossing rings" instead of "shooting hoops".

My two favorites are spectacular Spider-Man and kind of the ultimate Spider-Man mainly bc I grew up with both of them. And the only reason I kinda like 2017 spidey was bc, well it’s Spider-Man, and me being a huge Spider-Man fan I watched it.

HEY, AT LEAST ULTIMATE HAVE THE BEST ADAPTATION OF FLASH THOMPSON

The animation itself isn't bad, it's the compositing/shading/depth that needs fixing

I actually liked Ultimate as it's own iteration because it at least showed consequences and sure wasn't the Comics version. I liked how they added and introduced more of the comic characters to the series it did have problems but that was more of missed opportunities.

AS A MEXICAIN, I ALWAYS HATED THAT IN ALL SHOWS THE LATINO CHARACTER *ALWAYS* HAVE BROWN SKIN, & THIS SHOW WAS SPECIALLY INSULTING WHEN ANYA CORAZON WHEN FROM REDHEAD TO BROWN SKIN JUST 'CAUSE SHE'S LATINA

For a 2017 show it has worst pacing than the 90s cartoon

"And when everyone's *super* (smart) no one will be "

I believe the show could have been significantly more captivating if it showed an older Peter Parker, around the age of 20 or so, akin to the PS4 game. Personally, this shift would bring a unique perspective as it delves deeper into Peter's struggles and witness his growth as he faces the realities of adulthood. Also would make the "mentor" role he has to the other spider-people ( i don't mind Miles in the same universe as peter, however, the other spider-people work more as clones or spider-verse shenanigans) much more natural and it could be used to explore his character developmente, you know?

There are so many stupid ways they justify the goblin name but this might be my favorite. A wise man once said, "A pile of loose laundry is the hobgoblin of any clean room."

As bad as his character is, it’s kind of cool that Miles has the same voice actor as his video game counterpart

3:31 omg it actually does look A LOT better with shading

just saying, the kid arachnid nickname is wayyy better than Spy-D 💀

i’ve never seen a show so devoid of love or dedication

I'm shocked with the dubbing in the scene at 4:20 (lol) You can literally tint Peter's jacket to green and he would be Ben 10 (his dubbing fits perfectly with Ben's voice, even more when he says "Heatblast")

When gwen and Anya found out about peter being spiderman and acted so stupid. this was my face 😐

That "change" to Norman and Harry's relationship, isn't a change, it was like that in the og comics, Norman actually treats Harry as a son (unless he's the goblin) and never favored peter, he offered him a job but he still clearly loved his son

The idea of a younger Peter getting help from friends with similar intellect actually sounds like something I'd like to see if done right.

That take on miles makes me appriciate the new game he was introduced as just miles and the way he got his powers makes sense

Can I just say how I absolutely love how you used Spider-Man’s themes from the Marvel fighting games for the majority of the video

Daredevil can appear in Vengeance Of Venom episode instead of Moon Knight.

I think Kid Arachnid works better. Imagine Ultimate doing something right lol

The thing i HATE about this series is that literally EVERYONE turns into spider-human. Like we are supposed to see Peter's story?

46:15 I hated how hypocritical the girls were cause all they did was judge for keeping his identity from them when they did the same thing to him, and also you’re not even giving him a chance to explain himself just to validate their own justification

Aside from the bland animation, lack of shading and sometimes stiff animation...the show was just bad. Even Peter annoys me as he's so quick to point out how incorrect things are to others (because SCIENCE!!!)but will get choked up when he's called out on it.

This show just reeks of laziness.

All spiderman shows before this one had something. 90s one had the classic comic book charm Spectacular had a more emotional run Ultimate was great with its animation and it was more kid friendly but it was fun This one is just...bland.It wants to be MCU Spiderman the cartoon.Spectacular had Raimi nods, but it wasn't Raimi Spiderman the cartoon.

To behonest everything was rushed i honestly think the show had potential but the timeline is off miles is supposed to come 8-10 years after peter had done his run and then there so many spiderman at the same time 🤦🏾‍♂️ i feel like they could of had this peter age up every season ... I like the art and stuff but it was just rushed man

I've never wanted to punch peter in his face but that brain freeze joke was too much

When a animation in a 2017 show is worse than even the 90's show.

*"And while I love the MCU. And will always praise every films. They don't have to be in everything."* - John David Gamez

I have nostalgia for ultimate so I love it even if it has faults

Peter is so annoying in this show. Hell almost every character was. Side from MJ

This version of Miles makes me appreciate Spiderverse and Insomiac version more

I must correct you on something, the big thing you have a problem with is the art style, not the animation. Art style is how it looks, animation is how it moves, considering this is on an actual tv network, the animation is good, that’s why you like the fight scenes

Yeah It's true Marvel's Spiderman is bad why I say that 1.)Gwen-Her characteristics in this show she seems disrespectful and terrible person 2.)Mary Jane-She's only appearing in season 4 3.)Shashan Nguyen, Sally Avril, Glory Grant, Kenneth Kong and other characters from Spectacular Spiderman they are not appearing in this show

Thank you! Finally someone covering one of Distink's Marvel shows in its entirety instead of just 1 or 2 episodes. Also, the reason why the animation & design is so flat is because the Marvel animation studio didn't animate this show. Over the last 8 years the studio has been getting lazier & lazier with how they make the animated shows & this is confirmed from a former employee who quit & was interviewed by another youtuber. He also stated that the studio had set-up a pipeline to an animation studio in South Korea, sending half finished storyboards, telling them to figure out the designs on their own & animate it for them.

The origin clips were pretty nice and entertaining. Quick and to the point at establishing Peter's beginning, while also showing how much of a brainy geek he can be. Then you get to the show proper, and it's just him being a tool that needs to be helped all the time instead of showing his genius and dealing with the consequences of always doing the right thing at his own expense. Really is a shame that Ultimate and this show just seem to have no faith in Peter being able to be a hero on his own, even if it were just for a single season, and then go all hog wild with the other Spiders for toys and "hey look, you like this character, right?"

I liked how ambitious the show was, tackling comic book arcs that haven't appeared anywhere else, specially the Spider Island and the Superior Spider-man saga. They might not have been executed the best, but at least they tried. However, I did not like Peter Parker/Spider-man in this one. He was so annoying. Also, I think this version of Mary Jane was the best. She was cool and chill and much more interesting than usual. Admittedly, she had less screen time than most other Mary Janes, but I think this version was better than the 90s Mary Jane and is on par with the Spectacular Spider-Man MJ. Also, Gwen was just annoying. Just so bad.

What I hate about this series is sometimes, out of nowhere, you'll hear some guy saying "menace" when Spider-Man either fights with or loses to a bad guy. Urg!!!

after spectacular spider man the animated franchise went so far to hell, that mephisto keeps dvds of the disney spider man shows

I honestly thought Ultimate was ok. I even like a few of the episodes. Now, it's not as good as some of the others, but it's ok. Marvel's Spider-Man 2017 show however, is just bad. Also, I disagree with this voice actor being a better Spidey voice than Bell. I thought Bell was decent. I think this guy is a decent voice actor, but he doesn't fit Spider-Man imo. I mean, having Yuri Lowenthal and Josh Keaton doesn't help his case, but his delivery on the brain freeze thing was just..ugh. Honestly, I think that scene could have worked if he had said it more jokingly instead of in that matter-of-fact tone. It would've fit Spider-Man. But that's probably more on the director than the actor himself. But his voice actually sounds similar to Bell's Spidey voice. We've been spoiled by Yuri and Josh.

The real Chad that deserves the title “Marvel’s Spider-Man” is Insomniacs Spider-Man! Nothing else!

the Ultimate Spiderman's animation and art style suits the show because of it's sometimes goofy aesthetic, and I for some reason enjoyed it and like to this day

"Hey, my name is Peter Parker. I go to Midtown High, except the principal is Phil Colson, and it's secretly linked to a high tech SHIELD facility within the premises. And when I'm not there, I'm training in the Triskelion with my superhero peers." "Hey, my name is Peter Parker. I go to Midtown High, except when I'm not. Except when I'm going to a school for Gifted Youngsters that only a select few can go to. Money is no issue, and I talk like Sheldon from Big Bang Theory." If you don't see the problem with those two situations from Ultimate Spider-Man and Marvel's Spider-Man, respectively, you will once you've read enough Spider-Men. Heck, even if you've consumed enough Spider-Man media everywhere.

38:40. I can honestly answer that during mid-2019 they were rumblings of Marvel Animation coming to a close along with the rest of the television production led by Jeph Loeb since the powers at being on the top decided to fold television with studios together. With Kevin Feige being named the man in charge of all future projects for both film, and television. But in the process, he shut down most of the ongoing productions that Loeb supervised including Spider-man 2017, cutting the episodes down to 12 as they were forced to wrap it up early. Honestly, I shed no tears once figuring that out as of 2021. We have no news of this show's fate, giving the idea that they are moving away from this show altogether with the announcement of Spidey and his amazing friends in Disney Junior. But I would like to add another reason why the show fails on a fundamental level as if you want to know why a lot of the characters are so poorly developed, or even rushed then look no further than how it treats Peter Parker, and it's civilian life. I've never seen a Spider-man show have such a clear contempt against Peter. Whenever it focused on matters outside of the superhero stuff, the show wanted to move away from it as quickly as possible. Or flat out not acknowledge it to go back to the superhero stuff. Nearly every single thing has to be connected to Spider-man. Peter's friendship with Harry? It's connected to Horizon which in turn it's connected to Spidey. His classmates? Spider-man. His focus? Spider-man. The only aspects that are connected to PETER are May, and MJ, but even those are downplayed by Spider-man rather than integrated to serve as a consequence of his double life. This was a problem from the very beginning, and the show did NOT care to fix it. This is yet another show that was ruined by Loeb's lack of care toward the animation medium. I'm hoping Moon girl, and What if serves as a good step for a much better Spider-man animated show. But overall, I really liked your video. I'm hoping more of these come in the future, man!

Honestly i really like ultimate spiderman, idk, its cool to me and I like it just found it generally at least entertaining, but if you didnt enjoy it its okay

tbh its less the lack of shading, than how absolutely muddy and low contrast the values are that really bothers me about the art style, a more competent team and director could stick with flats and still make that work too

At least ultimate Spider-Man-man got better with the later seasons. All of the seasons of the 2017 weren’t good.

I like how they got the actors from Cloak and Dagger to voice the characters. But I’m still pissed that the show got cancelled. Cloak and Dagger and the Party of Five reboot were the only shows I’d watched on Freeform but got cancelled. Although I’m currently watching the show Cruel Summer, although that probably the actress Olivia Holt, who played Dagger, is one of the main characters in that show.

Also, funny thing about Knull: He is technically part of the show's lore, but just as a bonus video on RU-vid explaining the show's history of the symbiote lore. None of that info is in the show itself.

The villain designs are so HORRID like, what the fuck is Rhino? Electro? Shocker? Doc Ock? They look like total dogshit, they could’ve made him like Spider-Man PS4 version of Rhino (cybernetic suit) Just because his name is “Rhino” doesn’t mean he’s a literal Rhino

When they accused Peter of being the goblin, I really wanted him to take off his mask and say, "Are you so certain, now?"

Ultimate Spider-Man show is the best.

3:22 I'm sorry to be that guy but I think we should clear out the misconception of "animation" and "art style". The art style, refers to how it looks, which yes could be fixed with shading. Animation refers to how the characters move, which could not be solved, with shading. Great video though, didnt meant to nitpick

>Ms marvel I forgot that character existed after having a dozen cancellations.

I like Ultimate creative choices it made but 2017 is just NERD ALERT and I'm a nerd And bro you really made my day🤣🤣

Look I get ultimate Spider-Man wasn’t the best in moments but damn Let my man chill look just remember it could be a lot worst

Gwen and Miles are terrible. Gwen is obsessed with glory as well as a know it all(You could have made a web fan to save people) and Miles is full of himself

Spectacular was the best show IMO

I love that you mentioned my favorite animated show, X Men TAS!!! And Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes and Spectacular Spider Man are awesome as well!

I dont get why people hate ultimate spiderman. I actually enjoy that show, the voice work is good from what I remember and it was casually entertaining

Ultimate Spider-Man ain’t even that bad

I didn’t like the show much either as a kid but cmon the superior Spider-Man episodes were the best part of the show

The problem seems to be that its too bloated......it ain't just your freindly neighborhood Spiderman. It has to be connected to Space Aliens, Super Geniuses and The Avengers etc. It would be better if they kept it small and told a story.

Honestly this is be one of them best-looking shows out of the time if it just had some good shading it makes the animation look better than it actually is

At least I enjoyed Ultimate, actually interesting and really gave Spider-Man that Spider-Man feel ya know?

This show made Ultimate look like Breaking Bad.

Lmao this whole comment section is full of 9 year olds defending this show

Let’s not even talk about how bad Avengers Assemble animation became like midway through its run. Like it just suddenly became super ugly like this show. Also did you really just say mcu Spider-Man accomplished what he did on his own and not because of a TEAM/ARMY of people protecting him and fighting alongside him not to mention he wouldn’t be anything without tony giving him 2 cool suits.