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Why Megalodon Was Even More Formidable Than You Think

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Megalodon, a genus of shark known by many even outside of paleontology circles is certainly a very impressive animal, and remains firmly entrenched as one of the most well-known extinct animals, at least publicly. Scientifically speaking though, Megalodon, in having a cartilaginous skeleton like other sharks, has meant that over the years, piecing together and estimating both their appearance, size, and adaptations has proved rather difficult to sort out.
This means that over the years, falsehoods and misconceptions about them have popped up here and there, that alongside unusual ideas about them still living today, muddy the waters so to speak on how we understand them. However, more recently, increased research into them and their habits, ecology, proportions, and also their size has made an ever clearer picture of how they appeared and acted in life than ever before, with some very interesting results to be noted. I hope you enjoy.
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@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

twitter.com/BatleChampion47/status/1656644779772456960 A link to the thread which I referenced at 11:14, but did not credit, which was my bad. :) I hope you all enjoyed the video!

@stupendemysgeographicus5009 10 месяцев назад

I wonder if our contemporary ancestors ever used megalodon teeth as tools, considering they are of similar size and shape to hand axes…

@GimbalosMorkinar 10 месяцев назад

Could be, but not a likely. Megalodon died out 100 000 to 1 million years before the earliest tools are dated to.

@beastinfection638 10 месяцев назад

Contemporary ancestor? That's an oxymoron. Contemporary basically means the present time, or existing at the same time as us, while ancestor means the creatures that lived before us. Also, Megalodon went extinct 3.6 million years ago. Our ancestors were not using tools 3.6 million years ago.

@stupendemysgeographicus5009 10 месяцев назад

@@beastinfection638 I meant contemporary with megalodon. Also, the earliest stone tools date to 3.3 MYA, so not too distant in time (not hand axes though, I somehow got the idea that they were contemporary with early homo species). Regardless, our ancestors were definitely using tools before they split with chimpanzees.

@albatross4920 10 месяцев назад

I think there's an edge video about how some old meso America civilizations liked collecting shark teeth and sometimes they stumbled upon Meg teeth. Not contemporaries, but they found and used their teeth. 🦈

@N238E 10 месяцев назад

They used Megalodon teeth as ballista ammo.

@stag_kaiju 10 месяцев назад

‘Bite-force so powerful to the point of breaking its own teeth in a progress’ is the most metal thing I heard about a living animal. Realistic Meg film would be both gorgeous and terrifying to watch!

@EVOLUTIONINCARNATE 10 месяцев назад

Not just break either The tips would turn to dust when hitting bone because of how hard they bit down Powderized

@beastinfection638 10 месяцев назад

Those people that think Livyatan dominated Megalodon are shaking in their boots right now. Hell, based on all the recent evidence that shows how insanely formidable and massive this creature was, perhaps Megalodon was the one that dominated Livyatan.

@BugsandBiology 10 месяцев назад

At best, I’d say they were competitors. I have no idea how the whole “Livyatan hunted megalodon” idea became so widespread.

@egg7247 10 месяцев назад

@@BugsandBiology it probably came from the "logic" of orca eats great white so the big prehistoric counterparts must be the same.

@Predation_records 10 месяцев назад

@@egg7247Well orcas are 4 times bigger than a great white sharks..

@egg7247 10 месяцев назад

@@Predation_records I know. That's why I put logic in quotations. People think that since livyatan is a big predatory whale that it automatically outclassed megalodon, without taking into consideration that orcas are at minimum twice as large as white sharks and occasionally over 3 times as massive.

@KhanMann66 10 месяцев назад

It’s possible they both hunted each other when given the chance. Just look at lions and leopards of Africa. Both will take out the competition when given the chance.

@Titus-as-the-Roman 10 месяцев назад

All the years deep sea fishing I've only ever hooked One Mako shark (I really wanted to see it up close), of course the Mako was going pretty much where it wanted within the confines of my line, unfortunately the Capt. also hooked the biggest Cobia any of us had ever seen, a real monster (we eventually decided that the Cobia was Trailing the Mako in it's journey), I was forced to cut my line for fear of interfering with the Cobia. I lost my Mako but we all had Cobia meat in the freezer.

@DickDickstein 10 месяцев назад

I hooked an 180 pound hammerhead down by Florida once. Fought it for 40 minutes. A whole pack of them circling our boat as we fought. Got it right up next to the side of the boat, mouth UP. Right as my guide was trying to grab the hammers to lift it out of the water it snapped.

@alisav8394 10 месяцев назад

So "yaay" you almost killed one shark for fun but gave it up so someone else could kill another fish for fun.

@Titus-as-the-Roman 10 месяцев назад

@@alisav8394 We ate it so Phuc U 2,

@DickDickstein 10 месяцев назад

@@alisav8394 Go ride a horse.

@bkjeong4302 10 месяцев назад

One thing I’d have added to this is that megalodon’s extinction does not actually coincide with the rise of any cetacean competitor (raptorial sperm whales died out even earlier, orcas only became raptorial after megalodon was gone and wouldn’t have been in competition even with the juveniles), which further discredits the idea of cetaceans outcompeting or “dominating over” the largest shark to have ever existed…which actually fits with how so many cases of “superior, smarter, more efficient” animals outcompeting “inferior, primitive, and dumb” animals make little sense when you actually examine the inherent assumptions and the timeline of the fossil record.

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

That is very true. Practically all extinctions come down to environmental and climatic changes. There can be other influences, but those are especially minor when compared to these two.

@SousukeAizen421 10 месяцев назад

by the time livyathan was gone Megalodon was pretty much living on borrowed time too, their population dwindeled and they were no longer a cosmopolitan animal that they once were, newest study has determined that they went extinct wayyyyyyyyyy earlier than expected, 3.6 millions years ago instead of 2.6. idk why you say "much" earlier when there's only like 1.7 million years differences between them, they pretty much died at the same time if megalodon were to alive today, they would get hunted to extinciton by extant orcas, cnosidereing their slow reproduction rate, they would get hunted to extinction by modern orcas, we might see another Orcas culture centered around hunting and taking down megalodon, like a pack of wolf taking down a byson, the wolves being Orcas and the byson being Megalodon.

@francissemyon7971 10 месяцев назад

@@SousukeAizen421orcas don't engage adult humpbacks or bull adult sperm whales, they would not engage >15 m Otodus megalodon.

@SousukeAizen421 10 месяцев назад

@@francissemyon7971 they still hunt their young and females, same with sperm whales, there's an entire Orca s culture centered around killing them, predators are opportunistic by nature and they of course would choose the less risky prey with as little effort as possible to conserve enerdy if some Mad bull Sperm whale or a megalodon were to attack a kilelr whale pod and they are forced to fight to the death, you know that Megalodon would not stand a chance, but i doubt megalodon are that stupid to attack a pod of ocean top pretador if it were still alive

@Jack-le3zh 8 месяцев назад

@@francissemyon7971well we have evidences, that orcas once bunted large whales, but because of massive extinction of them due to human whale hunting, orcas that were specialised to killing whales disappeared with them or changed their habits to hunting on other animals such as sea otters

@luukzilla1519 10 месяцев назад

Random off topic question, why did Whales lose their back limbs when evolving but Marine Reptiles did not?

@afrog2666 10 месяцев назад

Their*

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Interesting first comment. :) I'd wager it's down to different locomotory styles and what was selected for. Whale mobility was very different to Mosasaurus, which had more sideways undulations, and therefore need the paddle for both more manoeuvrability and stability, whereas whales flex their spines vertically, which leads to different hydrodynamic effects. I'll get back to you with some more detailed info as I research a bit further.

@luukzilla1519 10 месяцев назад

@@afrog2666 Alright fixed it

@luukzilla1519 10 месяцев назад

@@HenrythePaleoGuy Okay

@Crocy 10 месяцев назад

@@afrog2666Doing the hard, necessary work here 😂

@gattycroc8073 10 месяцев назад

8:15 ah the Pisco Formation aka one of the most underrated paleo environments. a great example of the Miocene seas as well as the fantastic fauna of South America before the great American Interchange.

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

It certainly deserves its own video sometime down the line!

@eddiefreakinmunson 10 месяцев назад

"We're gonna need a bigger boat!"

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Damn right!

@dynamosaurusimperious2718 10 месяцев назад

Megalodon is the largest marcopredator to ever live so an glad this video exist

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

I’m glad to have made it!

@risunokairu 10 месяцев назад

Who was the largest polopredator?

@RowanFox77 10 месяцев назад

Great video Henry! I wonder how the Megalodon will be handled in Carnivores: Cordelia

@kaijuar2003 10 месяцев назад

You're a Carnivores Community fan too? Nice! Reply made: 5:15 PM Monday, September 25 2023

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

I'm certainly excited to see that! Saurian Target keeping up with his videos has been real great to see as well. His coverage is superb!

@dukecity7688 10 месяцев назад

I look forward to seeing more of this awesome subject. This was really good.

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

And I’m looking forward to making them for you guys! :)

@EdjieboaNova 10 месяцев назад

I love these videos. Megalodon is my favorite 💙 Thank you so much. Dallas, Texas

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Thanks a bunch! I'm happy you enjoyed it. :)

@rickharold7884 10 месяцев назад

Geeze that’s nuts.

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

It’s pretty crazy! These were some seriously big sharks.

@purplehaze2358 10 месяцев назад

Okay, but can you still drive one off by punching it in the nose?

@red1spider 10 месяцев назад

time to try it out on my pet megalodon

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

You’d have to give it a hard one!

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Private pools getting crazy out here.

@EVOLUTIONINCARNATE 10 месяцев назад

So glad to have had my art features so prevalently in this video!! I hope it was of use!!

@madderhat5852 10 месяцев назад

Beautiful work. Thank you.

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Was key that I did! The research and work that went to it was really awesome to follow. :)

@Esox0010 7 месяцев назад

The latest studies on the scales of O. megalodon seem to indicate that it was not particularly fast. However, it remains a formidable macropredator.

@Alberad08 10 месяцев назад

Well, that was impressive - thanks a lot!

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Glad you liked it! Sorry it took so long to get out!

@catmus1506 10 месяцев назад

My question is... How can a 20 metre shark have the same weight as a blue whale?

@arjunakorale6166 10 месяцев назад

Exactly what I thought! A lot of the info in this video is exaggerated (I’m also talking about what speed this guy has said the meg could reach!). Some of the info is accurate but some has been invented & greatly exaggerated to make the meg more formidable & more scary. Hell, the real meg was scary enough!

@francissemyon7971 10 месяцев назад

@@arjunakorale6166You're wrong. All the data in this is sourced. Since Cooper 2022 figured a mass of 61 t for a 16 m individual, direct scaling to a 20 m individual obviously imply huge body mass. And yes, nothing new that blue whales are relatively slender for their size compared to mackerel sharks. The video is accurate. The speed burst estimate is from Ferrón 2017. I thought it was obvious...

@rileyernst9086 10 месяцев назад

Literally tons of muscle.

@TEAMSTERLOCAL282NYC 10 месяцев назад

@rileyernst9086 A manatee type creature that was about 60-65 feet long(20 meters), which is estimated to be upwards of 3x the weight of Blue Whale, was recently found.

@francissemyon7971 10 месяцев назад

@@TEAMSTERLOCAL282NYC the upper 340 tons weight for Perucetus is certainly not trusted if you check the reactions in the paleo community.

@rileyernst9086 10 месяцев назад

Fueled by blubber!

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Got a ton of calories!

@Ciech_mate 7 месяцев назад

Thank you for your educational content

@reeyees50 10 месяцев назад

9:47 outrageous

@maggie8324 10 месяцев назад

yep, I learned something new. (smiley face)

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Awesome! I'm glad you did. :)

@widodoakrom3938 10 месяцев назад

Otodus obliquus maybe is the common ancestor between great white and megalodon

@francissemyon7971 10 месяцев назад

Great work ! However I suspect the 2 m neonate size by Shimada is outdated and using the data from Cooper (2022), it's a +3 m neonate.

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

I'll look into that some more. Certainly big babies either way!

@tomdarco2223 3 месяца назад

Right on great job

@madderhat5852 10 месяцев назад

They never clean the ring from the bathtub and leave their towels on the floor

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

They don’t have hands, so that doesn’t help, lol

@elliottgamer 10 месяцев назад

I honestly wonder if killer whales wiped them out

@francissemyon7971 10 месяцев назад

Never because they never co-occured, this has already been debunked. Modern orcas appear in the Pleistocene when megalodon was already long gone.

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

More so climatic and the grow range reduction changes as the Pliocene progressed.

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Very true.

@Tiamat_Stan24 10 месяцев назад

Not really. Orca became big game hunter about 1-2 million years after O.megalodon's extinction. Based on the newest paper, great white shark is more likely to contributed to the extinction of O.megalodon

@Predation_records 10 месяцев назад

Orcas didn't even exist back then 😂

@afrog2666 10 месяцев назад

You mean "was"? Right?

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

"Is" as in from what we understand of them today through recent research. Of course, what we learn about them gets us closer to the truth.

@zipperman1448 10 месяцев назад

will be 😈

@itsthatsebguy93 10 месяцев назад

Meg is still out there.

@luukzilla1519 10 месяцев назад

@@itsthatsebguy93 I hope you're joking.

@Lanval_de_Lai 10 месяцев назад

@@luukzilla1519 It's commonly known that the last megalodon lives in an skull shaped atolon in the south Pacific named "Skull Atolon" with hundreds of other prehistoric marine animals

@Makabert.Abylon 10 месяцев назад

The 10 meter per second speed bursts are easy to put into perspective. Imagine Usain Bolts’s 9.58 sec world rec for 100 meter dash. That is pretty much 10 meter per second. But a 100 metric ton shark coming for you at that speed while in your fancy boat 🛥️

@indyreno2933 10 месяцев назад

The Megalodon (Carcharocles megalodon) is a member of the family Otodontidae within the order Anacoraciformes, while the Great White Shark (Carcharodon carcharias) belongs to the family Lamnidae of the order Lamniformes.

@SomethingAboutSashimi 10 месяцев назад

That genus name is outdated, it's now Otodus megalodon

@indyreno2933 10 месяцев назад

@SomethingAboutSashimi, actually, the Otodus genus is polyphyletic, the only valid species of the genus is the O. obliquus, while many other species are part of different genera, including Carcharocles, thus redefining Otodus as a monotypic genus.

@KhanMann66 10 месяцев назад

Nope still ototus. Has little relationship with modern great whites other than a similar body plan.

@HassanMohamed-jy4kk 10 месяцев назад

Hey Henry The PaleoGuy, why don’t you get to make a suggestion creating a RU-vid Videos that’s all about the Extinct Prehistoric Extinct Parrot Species of New Zealand called the Heracles Parrot (Heracles inexpectatus), also known as the Hercules Parrot and nicknamed as “Squawkzilla” on the next New Zealand Bird Of The Week coming up next?!⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍👍👍

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

I would love to sometime down the line!

@maozilla9149 10 месяцев назад

cool

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Many thanks!

@maozilla9149 10 месяцев назад

your welcome@@HenrythePaleoGuy

@N238E 10 месяцев назад

What did they eat?

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Mainly small through large whales, though they would have pretty much anything that they could go after.

@TeethToothman 10 месяцев назад

❤️🖤❤️

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

@hoibsh21 10 месяцев назад

U gotta have big teeth to join the Megatooth club.

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Sure do!

@reeyees50 10 месяцев назад

There is a very well preserved fossil of a juvenile megalodon, which despite not being fully grown , is nowhere near those sizes. Big hype show in paleontology

@francissemyon7971 10 месяцев назад

That is wrong and totally unsubstantiated, the fossil you refer is a not published composite and tells nothing about megalodon biology...

@titaniumaura 10 месяцев назад

_Peace on Earth._

@beastinfection638 10 месяцев назад

Quick correction: Megalodon is a species, not a genus. The genus is Otodus.

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Very true, I apologise for missing that in the video!

@RomanHistoryFan476AD 10 месяцев назад

Nah, I could take this giant fishcake.

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

I would love to film that, haha.

@RomanHistoryFan476AD 10 месяцев назад

@@HenrythePaleoGuy I'm sure you would.

@__-be1gk 10 месяцев назад

I love how they're literally just great whites but beeg, its so stupid

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Generally, but they did have some interesting differences. :) There was a bit of a blimp phase in terms of reconstructions, as seen with the Hindenburg meme I put in, but that didn't last long, given it was pretty silly.

@beastinfection638 10 месяцев назад

They didn't evolve into great white sharks. They lived alongside great white sharks, except great white sharks managed to survive while Meg couldn't

@_robustus_ 10 месяцев назад

Meg was formidable but given the social bonds and the cooperation of her tooth whale contemporaries, my money is on the latter.

@toothclaw6985 10 месяцев назад

This video isn't about who wins (and evidently both coexisted with each other for millions of years), it's just about some of megalodon's attributes. We don't need to bring the former up.

@_robustus_ 10 месяцев назад

@@toothclaw6985 Luckily for me that’s not up to you.

@bkjeong4302 10 месяцев назад

In cetacean vs. shark conflict, it’s not intelligence (and the gap there is considerably smaller than often assumed) or even numbers that plays the decisive role: the actual important factor is physical prowess. If intelligence and teamwork really gives cetaceans the upper hand over sharks, why is it that among living toothed whales only orcas-which are much larger than any living predatory shark-consistently come out on top when dealing with predatory sharks? Why are most smaller dolphins regularly preyed on (even as healthy adults) by large predatory sharks to the point shark predation has a severe impact on their activity patterns in some places (see the Shark Bay trophic cascades kicked off by tiger shark predation)? Cetacean fanboys would have you believe that ALL cetaceans dominate over sharks and kill them routinely because “muh mammal superiority” and “muh intelligence and social behaviour”, when actual data points towards brawn, not brain, being the actual decisive factor in shark-cetacean encounters (even in the cases where the cetaceans win). Which actually fits perfectly with what’s seen in land predators-larger predators consistently dominate smaller predators regardless of which side is more social. The only real rival megalodon had to contend with was Livyatan, and even then it was more a case of them being equals, not the oft-memed scenario of the whale dominating or even preying on the shark. Everything else was just prey for both these animals.

@_robustus_ 10 месяцев назад

@@bkjeong4302 I guess muh marine biologists have been lying to us for the last century. We sure are lucky you stopped by, bruh.

@HenrythePaleoGuy 10 месяцев назад

Not necessarily lying, but that the wrong conceptions when it came to the topic at hand.