Why Mercedes is in a major F1 conflict with Ferrari and Red Bull

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Mercedes has barely troubled Ferrari and Red Bull in Formula 1 this season but is now in conflict with them off-track in a BIG way.
The world champion team was at the heart of a huge argument over the Canadian Grand Prix weekend, after the FIA made an initial attempt to intervene in the dispute over the porpoising and bottoming out suffered by the 2022 cars.
Ferrari and Red Bull have pushed back against a last-minute and then quickly-postponed technical directive issued on the eve of the Montreal event, prompting Mercedes boss Toto Wolff to label the political games “pitiful”.
Suddenly, a topic that was only bubbling away in the background until recently, is now one of the most controversial stories of the season - and one that looks far from settled.
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@sabellanightlocke 2 года назад

I find it interesting that wolf is taking such a strong stance on safety and calling for swift and drastic changes, yet has been all too happy to let his drivers go out with setups that have as much proposing as they have. I guess driver safety is only important if everyone else gets brought down as well.

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

I find it interesting that Christian Horner makes an off the cuff comment about other teams changing setups, and everyone buys it. Mercedes AND the other 8 teams on the grid have already raised their cars to the maximum. Just stop that bullshit already.

@nikhileshsingh1076 2 года назад

I find it interesting that Christian Horner is against any in-season regulation changes when it comes to porpoising but wants the budget cap to be increased. Secondly he also wants to increase the minimum weight limit where the red bull is one of the heavier cars.

@bobsagit10 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 “car heights are at maximum” source : trust me bro

@MrHulaHoops 2 года назад

@@nikhileshsingh1076 doesn’t every TP want the cost cap increasing because it hasn’t taken into account inflation?

@patriciodiez5360 2 года назад

Although Wolff obviously has his own voice, it is the driver who ultimately chooses the setup for the car. If the driver wishes to sacrifice ride quality over performance, then there is nothing Wolff can do. Go tell a 7 time world champion, like Lewis, to sacrifice performance; or a young hungry for success driver like George. Not in a million lives they would sacrifice performance. I am 100% sure that Horner and Red Bull would do the exact same if they were in the same position.

@writz2 2 года назад

Wolff - Come on guys! This is about driver safety. Also Wolff - Choses to sends Lewis out to race in a car that causes his back to go numb rather than raise the ride height.

@smallpiper2 2 года назад

seriously. the gaslighting is intense.

@rolandmdill 2 года назад

The setup is also the drivers decision

@nosebleedpuddle 2 года назад

Also requesting for there to be no safety car in Abu Dhabi. Dude literally does not give a flying shit.

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

The ride height is at maximum, Mercedes have ran their ride height at max since Jeddah. This propaganda from new Red Bull fans of "Just raise the ride height" needs to stop.

@josephjoestar77 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 How do you know it's at its maximum? Do you even work there or some shit?

@ben_1 2 года назад

What do you think is the most used clip in the race videos so far this season? a) The Aston Martin getting rolled off the trailer b) Mohammed bin Sulayem opening his laptop at his new desk or c) the animation explaning porpoising

@JackScooter17 2 года назад

Mercedes rolling shots at silverstone launch

@petarkostesic8570 2 года назад

yes

@andyf1210 2 года назад

Don't forget Lewis at the mercedes car reveal, or Max standing at the back of the Red Bull garage 😂

@dmaharry7976 2 года назад

Ben ur a scream ! So true. I reckon the merc garage shot with LH and GR chatting to engineers with the merc wing in foreground

@wusb8 2 года назад

c for sure, because thats all anyone talks about.

@dutchpy1 2 года назад

Ross Brown said in the beginning that the porpoising was something familiar to constructors of racing cars and could be fixed over time. Everybody agreed on that stance. Now only some teams seem to be in trouble because of their designs. It is quite clear that Mercedes doesn't want to exchange competitiveness for driver comfort. The FIA simply should protect the drivers by putting black flags if the porpoising is beyond reasonable parameters. THAT would be fair.

@alanjm1234 2 года назад

That's actually what they're doing. But for some reason Horner is still whining.

@3storiesUp 2 года назад

Brawn isn't taking into account that there are now no test weekends apart from those at the beginning of the season so it's incredibly hard for teams to sort an issue like this outside of a race weekend. Back in the '70's they only manged to get ground effect working by using the side skirts and sealing off the floor ... teams are being asked to implement regulations with one hand tied behind their backs as always.

@fintonmainz7845 2 года назад

@@3storiesUp it's not true to say that they "only" got ground effect working with skirts. After skirts were banned GE worked. It's worked other series for decades .

@chrism81804 2 года назад

@@alanjm1234 lol you drank that toto koolaid, huh? Read the Technical directive. You are allowed to make substantial changes to the floor(planks and skids) which were illegal at the beginning of the season since you had to do that in pre-testing. It seems Mercedes had done so knowing full well knowing it was illegal. THAT is why some teams are protesting Mercedes. Because Mercedes knew their car and design was crippled without changing the regulations. So, they whined and made a circus out of this. Not only that but every team had 8-hour notice before Practice 1 and Mercedes had brought changes and installed them in both cars BEFORE they were in Canada meant they had it ready and were waiting for the "go ahead". From Lewis barely getting out of his car and saying it has compromised his health and might not be able to make it to Canada due to severe health issues. But what happened after FIA's Technical Directive? Hamilton: "I feel like I'm 17 again". THAT is why every team besides Red Bull and Ferrari were upset and why Binotto and Toto had a huge argument face to face.

@purwantiallan5089 2 года назад

@@chrism81804 Koolaid? What is that?

@nosebleedpuddle 2 года назад

Toto can honestly say whatever he wants to try and justify his position but the truth of the matter is that they have built (in his words) "A shit box"

@wusb8 2 года назад

i believe that their car is actually a rocketship and is pretty fucking innovative...but the problem is porpoising which isnt something you see in the windtunnel. So yes now its considered a shitbox, but man i bet they were popping off in the factory with the car design and shit...until it actually hit the track.

@keithmatthews1673 2 года назад

I wondered how s*** box would have gone dow in Stuttgart.

@segueoyuri 2 года назад

@@wusb8 what you believe may be great in your head but reality says otherwise pal. Their car is a tractor and they're trying to do anything they can desperately to get some performance out of that awfully born car.

@edhardy7210 2 года назад

@@segueoyuri lol its funny how merc have been so dominant we call their car a tractor if its the 3rd best out of 10 on the field

@gaara4667 2 года назад

@@edhardy7210 just one of those things

@ELSTERLING 2 года назад

Mercedes is transparently using a complex issue to try and advance their own car's relative performance for free. There should be a discussion about driver safety and maximum harm but Toto Wolf is about as honest as Lewis' tyres are dead.

@PulsingKrugotvoid 2 года назад

Yes vut he can't just come out and say "we can't fix our car anytime soon" cuz the FIA will never change rules mid season for that. However if you constantly complain about safety the public thinks different for whatever reason

@paulgronland8881 2 года назад

Red Bull in the same position now as Mercedes would be doing the very same thing!

@us7wqtrnek7uu 2 года назад

Remember das,was it not banned courtesy of rb,Ferrari etc..

@purwantiallan5089 2 года назад

@@us7wqtrnek7uu DAS is gone.

@purwantiallan5089 2 года назад

@@paulgronland8881 Red Bull is not on their prime right now.

@Ceece20 2 года назад

Just remember: Mercedes CHOOSE their “no sidepods” design and it turned out to be shit at controlling airflow. They are the ones who put their drivers in a car that cause all the pain. If they are so concerned on driver’s safety, I suggest they retire for the season OR raise the ride height.

@antoniohagopian213 2 года назад

They can just go back to the other varient of the car

@GryphLane 2 года назад

I suggest you get a clue

@Jag1997 2 года назад

I’m sure they didn’t think the design would be this much of an issue otherwise they wouldn’t have gone with it. They’re at the maximum height that the suspension will allow apparently. I’m not sure their sponsors would be happy with them retiring their season, a lot of lost money there. If it wasn’t for the cost cap they probably could have gone back to the first design they showed at the first testing

@KakiMod 2 года назад

Toto wolff : porpoising affecting drivers health Toto wolff : james… adjust it to the lowest height

@tamasnemeth2161 2 года назад

How about all the other drivers reporting similar issues mentioned in the video, including Perez?

@robertmilne4304 2 года назад

Having ruled the roost and had the best car every year since 2014 they simply are unable to accept they have designed a bad car compared to Ferrari and Red Bull. " You designed it, you fix it" approach must prevail.

@jraybay 2 года назад

They accepted it a long time ago? Literally said in pre season testing they're not where they want to be. I dunno how much clearer they could've said it. No one took them seriously I guess, but Toto called it a sh-t box just last week. We're at a point now where many people are saying it shouldn't be driver health vs performance. Ferrari have a bad car of their own. It's still semi fast, but it porpoises too occasionally, and they suspect some of their reliability issues were from porpoising.

@jimbo_bomberino8606 2 года назад

@@jraybay Still, solution is to raise rear ride height, but they don’t want that cause they prioritize perf over driver safety. Problem is all on teams with porpoising because it’s evident that designing a car without porpoising is possible.

@purwantiallan5089 2 года назад

@@jraybay this solutions was nowhere near basically.

@jimbo_bomberino8606 2 года назад

@@tbreytenbach9845 nothing is wrong with the regs. They just took a radical design philosophy that happened to be wrong, and now they are being punished for this.

@Sidewinder1999 2 года назад

@@tbreytenbach9845 Lol, sit down fan-boy.

@Dranka5 2 года назад

The hypocrisy of Wolff is crazy, and this is coming from a fan of his. He says driver safety is the main concern. Well, then raise your cars height! It’s very obvious that he is just looking for a competitive advantage.

@spiedvriek8948 2 года назад

He deserves all the incoming flak, what a clown.

@alexlacl8730 2 года назад

@@spiedvriek8948 Horner and marko are hypocrite too. Even worse than wolff

@stktriz 2 года назад

F1: where the pinnacle of motorsports and innovation Also F1 ban innovations like DAS because of horners crying

@Lanse1984 2 года назад

Yeah we all caught that one lol

@Lanse1984 2 года назад

@@stktriz horner? You mean all the other teams besides Mercedes. FIA banned it before everyone else could copy it. Stop bitching about Horner since Mercedes was allowed to race with it all year and FIA prevented other teams copying it.

@kurtru5selcrowe607 2 года назад

I’m no Horner fan but he makes a good point. Don’t change the rules because a few teams messed up. But keep an eye on them and make sure they put driver safety first. Doesn’t require a big technical change. Just supervision while the teams work out their own problems

@hbtm2951 2 года назад

He always did but too many femboys watching Toto daddy...

@d.mat.zero6525 2 года назад

what about in 2021 when horner asked the FIA to allow them to change a part in their engine, which you are not allowed to do, bc it was a safety issue. by horner's logic he should kept using that engine. funny enough the upgraded "unsafe part" made their cars much faster... strange how it worked out like that

@jmirsp4z 2 года назад

thing is, there already is a solution for this problem.. increasing the ride height.. if you designed a shit car that's on you and we shouldn't punish the teams that succeeded in their car design.

@chintanjani 2 года назад

tell me you know nothing about engineering without telling me you know nothing about engineering. changing ride height won’t magically take care of porpoising. besides how was it fair to Merc when they were punished for innovating with DAS, Party Mode and all the other things? just because RBR couldn’t make a better car for 8 years?

@jmirsp4z 2 года назад

@@chintanjani who said banning those things were fair? i didn't..

@joeyeah8009 2 года назад

@@chintanjani This guy is a Lewis heart throb - triggered by the fact that Lewis is washed up and will never surpass 7 titles. Feels good. That's what they get for being racists.

@trance9158 2 года назад

Oh you mean like at the start of the season when Alfa was the only team meeting the maximum weight limit set up but since everyone else was struggling to even come close they changed the limit? Alfa built their car to meet the specs so why change it then. Make the others figure it out right???

@CoimbraBertone 2 года назад

@@trance9158 that is what should have happened tbf

@James-gx9gn 2 года назад

I got a good laugh out of Wolff's statement. He hasn't been shy about playing such games himself

@DavidBrackett385 2 года назад

I think they should only force a height adjustment or alter the car of a team based on the bouncing. If a teams car isn’t bouncing they shouldn’t have to alter their car.

@titancheat 2 года назад

It should be up to the team not fia unless it is in regs. Changes should be till next year.

@gustavrsh 2 года назад

Just impose a bouncing limit based on frequency and amplitude, and let the teams deal with it.

@jonathanbennetts2632 2 года назад

Then we are back to just watching cars go round in circles with no racing and one team dominating a season. OH, I forget. That is all formula one has been for the last 20 years anyway.

@marksapollo 2 года назад

Yes, but, that means Mercedes and it’s shit car design won’t win any races… and because they basically screwed up its design they are trying to change the rules to suite ‘their’ car design only.. Mercedes’ and Toto have pulled this trick several times before.

@foobar8894 2 года назад

Actually, I think they should just some limit on what is an acceptable amount of vertical G forces. How teams achieve that should be up to them, but if they don't that should be lead to disqualification (with maybe some margin were it's just a time penalty). That makes it a level playing field for all teams, if they come up with some brilliant engineering solution, good for them. If it forces them to raise the right height, then that's what they'll have to do. I don't see how this is different to teams having to deal with a other required safety measures such as crash structures or the halo.

@mikeaddison6651 2 года назад

Mercedes just need to increase their ride height. Wolff is playing the politician game, Mercedes riskes Hamilton and George in Baku to force the change. I know The Race are very Mercedes focus, but you need a more balanced approach on this one.

@peekster0 2 года назад

Its all politics. And Toto's games have been so easy to see through for years now. Though with Niki passing away he has shown signs of increase in losing the plot and crying about everything.

@stktriz 2 года назад

When the halo came out how many teams would volunteer to sacrifice speed for safety? 00 that's how many!! It's the same with porpusing the FIA need to make it stop not an individual team

@mikeaddison6651 2 года назад

@@stktriz There's a simple fix, raise your ride height The clear reason Toto is pushing for this is that it'll bring down the speed of other teams. Comparing the halo to a TD for proposing for saving a life is like comparing a parachute to a cocktail umbrella for jumping out of a plane

@stktriz 2 года назад

@@mikeaddison6651 that's doesn't matter, the fact is ever car is porpusing and harming the drivers

@ihavenoideas5844 2 года назад

@@stktriz Red Bull

@Wessel_23 2 года назад

I feel like Mercedes is that one friend in the group who laughs at everyone but gets pissed when a joke is made about him.

@TheManmoths 2 года назад

As a huge Mercedes fan, they’re out of order here. The W13 just needs to be shelved and the focus put onto 2023 when they’ve got more scope/in-season budget.

@negi9076 2 года назад

If they don't know what's wrong with the direction they're going with (or don't know which should they go), why should they spend this much time developing a car which goes very far ahead of a probably wrong concept? Mp4 18/19 is certainly a car fit in this case, McLaren kept on developing it for the sake of getting experience and sense of development direction. Look at what Mp4 20 is capable of when it isn't affected by unreliability caused mainly by mercedes designed but ilmor built engines.

@dyslexiusmaximus 2 года назад

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@dyslexiusmaximus 2 года назад

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@craigdarrel1 2 года назад

2023 major change is tyre allocations and reducing sets and driver cams while car directives will not change so shelving this year’s car and not solving it is literally a really bad way to go Stop developing this yr will probably grant them porpoising till the next major reg change 😂 2026

@wazzlopiok240 2 года назад

What was wrong with the car they were using it the first testing session? I don’t recall that having a porpoise problem, which means they have a decent option b..

@phil6844 2 года назад

There was little drama so far this year, until Toto got involved…

@compdeezie 2 года назад

all the daddy verstappen vs perez drama? perez infidelity videos? There has been drama.

@andyf1210 2 года назад

@@compdeezie Fueled by the British media, and this is coming from someone British.

@nealfirstofhisname 2 года назад

@@compdeezie Neither of those are comparable. Jos wrote a opinion-piece on a Max Verstappen blog that the media blew out of proportion. The Perez example is about his personal life and therefore irrelevant for the sport.

@isaacm2374 2 года назад

Only because Binotto and Ferrari don't take the bait and snipe back at Marko and Horner. How many times has Marko poked at how bad Ferrari are at strategy, or that Charles makes mistakes etc.

@SenorFlamingo 2 года назад

@@nealfirstofhisname to add to that, Max didn't even agree with his dad here in an interview and even told himself he was happy to follow instructions as if he was the second driver for that race in Monaco. The scale of drama compared to this to what's going on with Mercedes all the time is like comparing a bug to an elephant. Mercedes loves to toxicate the sport with drama.

@samanthasemi8398 2 года назад

It is the first time in his formula 1 carreer that Wolff is head of an endeavor that failed (this years Mercedes), and he seems to handle this situation not very well, IMO

@purwantiallan5089 2 года назад

Samantha, this makes sense.

@luke5316 2 года назад

Merc just keeps looking for a cheap way out.

@Bearcat299 2 года назад

The more I heard about Wolff, the more I dislike him... It looks like almost all of the others team bosses doesn't like him too.

@budokpantai 2 года назад

I am a fan of Mercedes as a team, but I certainly not a fan of Toto. But I don't hate him. Being a team principal and a major shareholder, he is probably the one to lose the most. Maybe he is desperate to get a result, but years following F1, other team principals did something similar too when things didn't go their way. They are each other's enemy today, but when they are on a common ground, they will be ally tomorrow. For these guys, it's just politic in F1.

@AugustusCaesar88 2 года назад

He’s not popular, it’s well known. He’s one of those typically “slick” and “swarve” smooth talkers whose very media savvy and good on camera but not likeable amongst ordinary people. Mattia, Horner, Otmar, Franz, Andreas, Gunter etc are all generally quite friendly around the paddock together. They have their issues but you can often see them all joking around together, never Toto.

@Lanse1984 2 года назад

Yup lol

@Bearcat299 2 года назад

@@budokpantai maybe and for sure he is the one who is losing the most but I was the feeling that he is the type of boss that give the most pressure to his employees.. doesn't look fun to work for him. And when you look at the Jean Todt era at Ferrari, it's looks more like a family who works hard together. At least from the outside.

@MrLeovdmeer 2 года назад

Mercedes made a bad car and wants the FIA to help them. That is it.

@edennard1 2 года назад

Which they shouldn’t and I’m a Team Mercedes fan .. They designed a bad car..

@mvh996 2 года назад

yup , basically that is it.

@OG-512 2 года назад

Mostly cause drivers hurts from The bouncing. Obviously them not being as competitve is a factor, but Horner was the same when Mercedes were far Clear

@benfulford3943 2 года назад

You do realise this new technical directive is likely to punish Mercedes more. I can't get my head around how people are coming to the complete opposite conclusion

@fidjdbdjficbfk7944 2 года назад

How often since 2014 did the FIA help the other teams close the gap to mercedes ?

@killiancadogan7953 2 года назад

Sorry but totto claiming to be on the side of driver well being when he sent Lewis out in a car that bad in Baku is an absolute joke

@trance9158 2 года назад

Just shut up.

@thegoosbiertje5804 2 года назад

Wolf… the person who celebrated Max going in the wall at Silverstone with 50G but now he is concerned for driver safety.

@maniayush07 2 года назад

So this is what Wolff meant when he mentioned last year on Drive to Survive "Everybody has a target on their backs next year".

@corpsecoder_nw6746 2 года назад

LMAO underrated comment

@mrslickman3061 2 года назад

They just need to go ahead and disqualify a car from a race once and everyone will just shut up, drop performance and fix the issue

@timbraska6750 2 года назад

Toto: I am on the side of the wellbeing of my drivers! His drivers: I barely can walk or get out of the car because of the pain this car gives me.

@shaun2072 2 года назад

I trust Toto's recent proclamations about safety about as much as I trust a politician with a bag of cash. Just sad really. And Scott's articles always seems to treat Merc with a very light touch, personal opinion.

@BobSmith-uu5kj 2 года назад

Yeah the only one who doesn’t grasp the big picture lol

@erikhuisman2487 2 года назад

"we made a mistake in our car design, help us fix it and make other cars worse" - Toto essentially

@stktriz 2 года назад

Horner 2020: we can't keep up with the Mercedes ban DAS and make it worse other wise we pull out essentially

@tyrannosaurus696 2 года назад

Mercedes collectively put on a performance to try to influence the FIA into introducing a minimum ride height, aimed at reducing the performance of their rivals in a bid to become competitive again. This is painfully apparent to everyone who doesn't have LuLu glasses on. This backfired massively when the FIA put the emphasis on the teams to sort out the problem. Somehow over the weekend Mercedes exerted their disproportionate influence to force the FIA to accept it was the FIA's responsibility to resolve the problem. If Mercedes genuinely cared about driver health they would just raise the ride height of their car. Would honestly not miss Mercedes at all if they decided to follow through on their threats to pull out.

@F_Ryan 2 года назад

I can't take someone's opinion seriously when they say Lulu ffs😅

@HeavyMetalGamingHD 2 года назад

@@F_Ryan I can't take someone's opinion seriously, when they have a random sportsperson or a driver as their profile pic. Especially Hamilton or Verstappen

@F_Ryan 2 года назад

@@HeavyMetalGamingHD irrelevant but ok

@AntiVaganza 2 года назад

How long have you followed the sport? I mean, you are likely not entirely wrong in their motives not being (all) about safety, but teams playing hardball with the FIA has always been part of the game and the one to do it the most/best (worst!) is or was Ferrari. They still have veto rights as the only team because of their "historical importance", which I personally think is utter BS. I think they may even still get a load of extra money just for being Ferrari. So, yeah, the game is dirty. Always was and just cuz it's Merc trying to force an issue through now, doesn't mean the others are saints. Also, in recent years both RB and Ferrari have used the "we may not stick around unless this changes" threat.. That's why I ask how long you have been following because a lot of us grow immune to it after a while as on a long enough time line, it kinda all evens out. Still, it's BS, of course. But if you don't grow immune to it, you may just not be able to take the team fan hat off for long enough to see it for what it is.

@hotshtsr20 2 года назад

Anyone hear Crofty's interview of Christian Horner during FP2 about the hypocrisy of complaining about this proposed change to the rules mid-season as "unfair"... While simultaneously trying to change the budget cap rules mid-season?

@andreipop1 2 года назад

Ah Mercedes. If they get the car wrong, it's other peoples fault and others need to change it. Typical.

@stellar6643 2 года назад

Remember how Red Bull was calling for regulation changes and was threatening to leave the sport rather than accept the fact that they got their car wrong in 2015? That’s what most teams do.

@Ikcatcher 2 года назад

Funny when they told other teams to build a better car when they were dominating but now they’re the ones getting upset

@titancheat 2 года назад

@@stellar6643 2014* also they changed those rules to stop red bull and vettel who were doing what max is now

@ErwinLiszkowicz 2 года назад

@@stellar6643 I remember, but there's a stark difference. Red Bull was bluffing but there was nothing hidden 'under the blanket'. Mercedes on the other hand does this 'safety' bullshit all the time to justify their wishes. Red Bull has a more efficient wing that passes the tests and bends more than Merc can design to? 'It's dangerous, wings can't be flexing this much' Red Bull has faster pitstops - 'You have to add some margin for human error to slow down the pitstops because it's dangerous' Red Bull has a car that doesn't porpoise - 'You have to solve the porposigin because it's dangerous. None of the RB wings has broken due to the flex they had, none of RB pitstops have caused any kind of trouble in years, none of the cars had a crash due to porpoising. Safety is just a bullshit excuse. And FIA listens to what Merc says like a dog.

@stellar6643 2 года назад

@@ErwinLiszkowicz And I remember the “level the playing field” bullshit from Red Bull which was apparently in the sports “best interest”. All this to just justify their wishes. They didn’t seem that bothered about the sport’s “best interest” and “leveling the playing field” in from 2010-2013 🤔🤔

@CytrusF1 2 года назад

It certanly suspisious for them to have the 2nd floor string in Canada before it was announced, and with new FIA f1 director being ex Mercedes employee, no wonder that the likes of RB, Ferrari and even McLaren were ready to protest it

@haoweitang1615 2 года назад

Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!!

@theyeshhh 2 года назад

Hi Cytrus. I completely agree with you.

@titancheat 2 года назад

@ScarAngusArobieke their best race yet, so maybe it did have a benefit? 🤔

@draconicdusk5911 2 года назад

@@titancheat Someone didn't watch the vdeo lmfao. They DID NOT use it in Quali or the Race. Clown. Edit: RB fan btw.

@trance9158 2 года назад

Ummm hello the vast majority in the FIA are Ferrari employees and have been for years.

@TheHarshWay 2 года назад

Toto is mad it isn't Formula Mercedes anymore and throwing cash won't be possible anymore

@outlawrob316 2 года назад

It’s interesting that in the video summary the word “supposed” is only applied to the issue of sporting fairness (which is evidently a concern given any change here would be a mid season change that undoubtedly would have an effect on sporting issues) and not to Mercedes’ contention of safety (which is entirely within their hands to control by raising ride height and softening the suspension). When you only apply these modifiers to one side of the argument, it’s hardly surprising you hear accusations of bias from the British media towards Mercedes/Hamilton (or British drivers in general).

@sammartinez1149 2 года назад

Yeah, it’s ironic that when Horner is honest for once THE Race frames it as disingenuous. But they only do that to get engagement on the video, so…congrats boys.

@yazou012 2 года назад

Every other teams are willing to and actually are raising their ride heights to keep their car from bottoming out on their own. Mercedes could easily do that. But instead they want to others to suffer with them. A week ago it about safety and Hamilton making a huge scene getting out of the car. Suddenly Hamilton is on podium and surprise surprise his back pain is gone. If the driver safety was what they really want, Why do they risk breaking their own drivers back for performance?

@toast4443 2 года назад

Are you implying hamilton made the pain up? He literally felt the seat go cold bc his back had gone numb. Also he has acess to top of the lije facilities and is ungodly rich, so his medical care will take care of it much better than most

@swugjay7189 2 года назад

@@toast4443 so he got a new seat in Canada?

@rakib9420 2 года назад

@@toast4443 so you're literally saying he performed worse because his gaming chair wasn't better? Mmm?

@therealquaid1694 2 года назад

@@toast4443 it was an Oscar worthy performance. Hamilton loves to put on a good show, the guy is a psycho.

@mcgherkinstudios 2 года назад

So if the other teams are happy to just raise their cars and stop the porpoising already, then what’s the problem? The FIA would only mandate that a team changes its setup if it deems the car to be dangerously porpoising, so teams that are following the rules have nothing to fear.

@mrj3217 2 года назад

This is Mercedes who wanted a suspension change for safety not a raised ride height which is thr real solution but will slow them down. Another example of Mercedes trying to get a regulation advantage mid season.

@AddyAdderson 2 года назад

After pit stops in Canada involving Red Bull and Mercedes, we got a graphic demonstration that regardless of design changes and regulation changes, the Mercedes driven by Hamilton is still a light lunch for the Red Bull driven by Verstappen. Mercedes has bigger problems than air pressure and skid contact.

@corpsecoder_nw6746 2 года назад

yea there seem to be oscillations other than floor getting choked of its airflow. Track strikes in Baku and Monaco I think. Tire oscillations in other Saudi or Australia I think. Still running the car higher, with perhaps higher tire pressures, softer springs, stronger slow-speed-response damping, floor dampers (Ferrari), lateral cuts on floor, they'll help Mercedes make this a 3 horse race for the title.

@dpjohnjones432 2 года назад

Yep. Even Ferrari cant overtake them even with DRS which we observed over many laps. That Red Bull is ridiculously strong this year.

@CaptainTexas92 2 года назад

@@dpjohnjones432 that’s because Redbull/Honda built a great Powertrain and Chassis set up. It’s not in any way Redbulls fault Mercedes built a garbage chassis this year.

@reggiewilliams2355 2 года назад

Ive been watching F1 for two decades now and I've come to the relaisation that the FIA is just like any government or governing body. Rules are nothing in the face of money controversy and nothing sells better than a good drama

@jvms1782 2 года назад

Its basic human nature: Power, money and greed corrupt everyone

@BigMic69 2 года назад

Well...damn!!! IJS

@FonzNRG 2 года назад

MB has been dominating F1 for many years. Now that their radical design doesn’t work out the way they hoped for, Toto is doing everything he can to reduce the gap with regulatory changes. If you ask me they just need to accept they took a risk and it didn’t work out. Back to the drawing table while we watch how Ferrari and RB show the world they did manage to come with a competitive car.

@patrickoceon 2 года назад

Exactly what the narcissist Horner does every race. Blame everyone and everything of it doesn’t benefit his team.

@BobSmith-uu5kj 2 года назад

I think he wants Masi back for some love lol

@FonzNRG 2 года назад

@@patrickoceon Mate, I see you’ve been sharing your frustration on Horner in another (way too long) comment as well. You should go and see someone, ngl.

@vicospriteg 2 года назад

I’m so tired of the FiA doing whatever Mercedes wants, the pit stop wheel gun lights since they were slower in the pits then Red Bull in 2021 was the worst offense and anti F1.

@malthehansen7915 2 года назад

I haven't heard of this? Could you tell me more?

@ElonJusk 2 года назад

The whole entire regulations for 2021 were to make Mercedes worse yet they were still faster then the cheats and it took the FIA to intervene in the last race to make sure they win LMAO

@jedijackattack3594 2 года назад

Front wing change in 2019 which suddenly dropped ferrari and redbull back by removing additional control elements vital to both teams strong front ends. The 2021 floor cut which was originally assumed to help merc even more compared to the high rake cars.

@khalidqureshi3168 2 года назад

@@malthehansen7915 They said some teams press the 'confirm button' on the wheel gun even before they finish putting the wheel on, so they dont check what they do and could fit loose wheels. Atleast this is how i remember it. So naturally when redbull did follow the new procedure they messed up 2-3 times (most notable is monza 2021)

@andyf1210 2 года назад

Also those ugly reflective dots on the rear wings? You can thank Mercedes for that too after wing gate

@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 2 года назад

Lol that second stay I will say was *surprisingly convenient* in how quickly it came I wonder how long it usually takes to engineer that part

@lukyboi_4450 2 года назад

ik thats exactly what i wasa thinking

@francis8171 2 года назад

not long haha

@ThesocialmuteHD 2 года назад

It’s almost like they never had that idea for ages but couldn’t because the rules wouldn’t allow them

@crztank9298 2 года назад

The floor was prepped in Azerbaijan for the stay

@thesaint5991 2 года назад

@@crztank9298 noice they preped for something that wasnt even part of the regulation at the time but would come into action if say lewis couldnt get out of the car and fia took notice of it and decided to make changes ..... idk sounds fishyy

@ijustfelldown 2 года назад

People call Horner "toxic" but what is to be said about Toto's shenanigans?

@itsbreezy2521 2 года назад

Toto doesn't give a shit about driver safety or he wouldn't have sent Lewis out with that setup in Baku.. he's a liar and a manipulator and Horner/Binotto are absolutely correct. The second floor part is an ominous sign, clearly FIA are back channelling to Merc which shows a desire to bail them out of trouble, disgrace.

@ramb0lxmb 2 года назад

They literally handed Max the title last year and then changed the rule afterward. They just want competition and storyline to generate money.

@gollese 2 года назад

@@ramb0lxmb Max came into abu dhabi with just as many points as Lewis, he didnt get it handed to him.. He freaking ANNIHILATED the entire season and its competition. Ontop of that he had 3 dnfs, most laps lead, most race wins.

@alexlacl8730 2 года назад

If you think that horner is a correct guy. You seriously need informations mate

@valentin7436 2 года назад

@@gollese if he annihilated the entire season, how was he tied on points with Lewis?

@keithmatthews1673 2 года назад

Toto ain't nothing but a hound dog - crying all the time!

@corpsecoder_nw6746 2 года назад

Mercedes need to improve the dampers in their suspension and add that floor damper component that Ferrari has to prevent track strikes (car bouncing due to hitting the track, not the floor getting stalled/choked of its airflow). It's that simple. They've solved porpoising as of Spain. They then lost mechanical grip and low speed downforce in Monaco. They can get that back with modifications to tunnel inlets, floor edge elements, better damping for porpoising and track strikes, running the springs softer. Then perhaps trying to figure out how to improve the effectiveness of their wings, figuring out how to dampen oscillations in their tires.

@Metis1337 2 года назад

Merc trying to get out of the fact that they haven't made the best car on the grid. Wolff using driver health as a way out of part of the regs they failed is pathetic.

@raizer235 2 года назад

I wish it would backfire them!

@leebutler9470 2 года назад

You try driving with 10g loads through your spine for two hours. Its not just merc. Its all cars bar RB. Thats why Karen Horner is refusing to support changes. The issue is a) budget cap b) regulation limits.

@nealfirstofhisname 2 года назад

@@leebutler9470 If Red Bull doesn't have a problem, it clearly is a failure of implementation on the other teams parts, rather than a fundamental problem with the new regulations.

@fidjdbdjficbfk7944 2 года назад

You mean a car working perfect in theory ? Porpoising wasnt possible to simulate and the FIA knew it. Also Mercedes got less windtunnel time.

@Metis1337 2 года назад

@@fidjdbdjficbfk7944 Teams should hire experience to work with ground effects, funny how the few teams with people experienced in ground effects knew about it and considered it. Hmm.

@draconicdusk5911 2 года назад

If Mercedes think driver safety is soooooo important... Why aren't they doing something about it with their setup? :) They're sacrificing driver comfort for performance, we ALL know this.

@Dom-bj8qi 2 года назад

I heard that apparently they are at the limit of their ride height, they can't have the car any higher than this. ofc sounds like an easy excuse but.. you never know.

@guymears2340 2 года назад

It's not porpoising. It's the hard suspension on bumpy tracks, which is bottoming out. If you raise the ride height it'll simply travel further but still bottom out. There's never going to be enough and progressive travel on an f1 car to absorb 5-10G of force.

@trance9158 2 года назад

And WE all know multiple driver's are complaining about it.

@leebutler9470 2 года назад

They are doin something. EVERY race. Drop the Merc hate and rethink your life. Typical keyboard warrior.

@marksapollo 2 года назад

Their is no driver safety issues, Lewis is just acting, he always talks crap on the radio when racing, oh my tyres have had it, oh I have a problem, oh look I’ve magically won by 30 seconds from second place with my faulty tyres and car problems… he thinks he’s clever saying those things and will throw off the other teams. So don’t believe for a second he hurt his back the other race, he’s a liar.

@zienatasilviestu4698 2 года назад

As important as it is for the FIA to ensure the safety of the drivers, the most direct action that Mercedes can take is to just adjust the car setup themselves rather than to try to get others involved in your own prominent issue. You don't preach safety and then willingly send your drivers out for a back-pain-filled free practice.

@braveheart4603 2 года назад

yes you do, that's how f1 always operated. if there's choice between performance and safety left down to the teams they'll always choose performance. it's the exact reason we have safety regulations. I'd think if anybody will suffer from any change it will be merc, possibly ferrari but redbull stand to gain heavily. teams like redbull with no porpoising will not be affected, teams like merc who do suffer heavy porpoising will be forced to make that safer by altering setup and therefore slower. i get horner wouldn't want a change because they already look great but if this comes in i predict redbull will gain heavily over ferrari, they'd be the biggest losers in it i'd imagine seeing as their car is fast despite the purpoising it does and could be forced into a slower set up..

@nothanks4425 2 года назад

Not competing is almost unthinkable - it's the only reason these teams exist. Other teams are having this issue so it's absolutely right that the FIA does something. Obviously Merc are pushing the issue so much because they think it will benefit them, but the point is if it's not forced no one will willingly take a performance hit when the rest of the field don't have to

@toyotaecw 2 года назад

I agree with Horner for once, this is a situation that teams should deal with on their own. Thanks to the budget cap though, it’s not gonna happen as fast as it might have in the past.

@braveheart4603 2 года назад

@@toyotaecw teams don't give af, teams care more about performance than the health of any driver.

@stktriz 2 года назад

Nobody would have volunteer to have the halo in 2018 if nobody else was using it speed comes before safety! The FIA need to force the teams

@thesaint5991 2 года назад

Russel to FIA : there needs to be change its a concern to drivers safety. Russel to mercedes : I dont care if the car is very bumpy i need that setup and i need those points.

@aphermion 2 года назад

There should not be any interference of the FIA, so no guaranteeing the race-worthiness of a car. If it's unsafe, all they should do is prevent the car from going on track, but not lend the directions on how to get there. The problem needs to be fixed by the teams not the FIA. Otherwise you might as well just provide one chassis for all, like in IndyCar which is not what F1 is about.

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

How fun would it be to watch a race with only 2 red bull cars on the grid?

@Ceece20 2 года назад

I mean knock Indycars all you want, But they don’t have this childish whining for regulation changes that Mercedes is doing right now lol

@KakiMod 2 года назад

Toto wolff : porpoising affecting drivers health Toto wolff : james… adjust it to the lowest height

@gamefan56 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 Not great, but given we already witnessed that Mercedes dominance for a lot of years it would not be anything new for this sport.

@remy090 2 года назад

Red Bull fan bot. Reported.

@yrma_fletcher8953 2 года назад

merc have already said theyve sorted out porpoising, their cars are too stiff. toto needs to focus on building a better car not tantrums every weekend

@Flat_6 2 года назад

I don't think focusing on building a better car and "having tantrums" are mutually exclusive to one another. That saying is just dumb. It implies that they aren't doing any work. Team bosses always talk and lobby. Horner has already done it multiple times this season, for example about minimum weight and cost cap, but I don't doubt RB has also been putting in the work. Just because team bosses talk doesn't mean they aren't focused in the background.

@wusb8 2 года назад

hes a winner and wants to win, hes gunna bitch and complain because he wants to be on top...if you think he should just be happy not challenging for the title...youre delusional.

@yrma_fletcher8953 2 года назад

@@Flat_6 or its not about mutually exclusivity but about focus, he's the team leader. he's up and down like a rollercoaster which unsettles team. acting like a brat isnt in any way productive.

@JacobBanman 2 года назад

if teams like RB can solve the issue, so can Merc or any other team. No reason to force a change when you have a constructors cup for this exact purpose... to find solutions that batter your car.

@gollese 2 года назад

Exactly, no excuses.

@JacobBanman 2 года назад

@brotinger_1 which is a result of the porpoising... you fix that, you fix the bounce

@tensevo 2 года назад

Perez said he could not see the braking point due to bouncing and vibration.

@tensevo 2 года назад

@brotinger_1 Right on, the bouncing is due to running so low to ground and cranking up the spring and damping rates to practically infinity.

@JacobBanman 2 года назад

@brotinger_1 they can be different yes but in this case they are not. The "bouncing" the FIA is targeting is a direct result of the porpoising issue which is the same issue the drivers are complaining about currently compounded with the uneven surface of the track making the effects of the porpoising worse on the drivers. You can read the technical directive from the FIA that confirms this.

@viktorbengtsson676 2 года назад

If you are genuinely concerned over your driver's safety YOU RAISE YOUR F-ING CAR HEIGHT.

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

If you are genuinely interested in F1 YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE CAR HEIGHT IS AT MAXIMUM ALREADY.

@viktorbengtsson676 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 that's why all the teams have different ride height?

@markfr8543 2 года назад

There is absolutely no need for the FIA to commit to regulatory changes. Teams must resolve these issues themselves. It is clear that running a car concept beyond what it's capable of results in severe problems. If you can't run it low then don't run it low. Even Red Bull doesn't as low as Mercedes, clearly Mercedes went beyond the limit.

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

Mercedes is running their setup as high as possible.

@markfr8543 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 they're running their setup as high as possible without losing performance.

@francis8171 2 года назад

How can you solve these problems with the ridiculous cost cap

@markfr8543 2 года назад

@@francis8171 yeah that's a massive issue. Fixing porpoising with regulatory changes without fixing the root cause of teams inability to resolve it is a joke. That's even less helpful than putting a bandaid on it.

@insertgenericusernamehere2402 2 года назад

@@francis8171 shouldn't have spent money on making a dummy car during testing to trick the competition

@Powaup 2 года назад

FIA showed us in AD last year that they’re willing to change rules mid race to give the crowd more excitement so why would anyone be surprised if they did something mid season as Red Bull is about to run away with the WDC and constructors

@corpsecoder_nw6746 2 года назад

yea but that would be the opposite of the meritocratic spirit of the sport, which just feels disingenuous and shambolic. They realized their errors from Abu dhabi. This would be worse probably.

@mikewilliams1479 2 года назад

If this rather strange if Merc. Seems Merc is trying to gimp the other teams by using the FIA. I DO NOT SEE THE NEED FOR THE FIA TO IMPLEMENT A TECHNICAL DIRECTIVE AT THIS TIME AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TABLED AND BROUGHT FORWARD IN A BETTER WAY. I am fully in agreement with Horner. Let the teams fix the issue themselves and if they are unsafe then let the cars/team be black flagged. I am a Merc fan, but this seems that Merc has had some inside information to why Merc has been able to obtain the second stay so quickly. Wolff is doing this just to gimp the other teams IMO. But - I am still gonna back Merc but they need to be held accountable for this.

@herschelle.c 2 года назад

I wonder how Horner would react if he was in the same place as Mercedes. It's just politics for every top team specially Red Bull, Mercedes and Ferrari

@bjornrenard8131 2 года назад

@@herschelle.c The thing is, that Red Bull don't have problems with bouncing. So, its possible to do it with the given set of regulation and be very fast at the same time. This clarly shows, that there isn't a need for a change in the cars regs, but in the specific cars themselves. And thats the job of the teams, not the FIA's job. They can implement rules for limiting the bouncing. That would leave the development in the teams hands. I can imagnie, that if you would be horner right now, you also wouldn't want a rule change, that could affect your car for an issue your car hasn't had.

@herschelle.c 2 года назад

@@bjornrenard8131 No I mean Horner is talking like he is a saint if he was put in the same place as Toto he'll be doing the same and Red Bull has a genius in building ground effect cars in Newey that dude is the best ground effects engineer

@MrKalrich 2 года назад

The Merc team reminds me of the soccer player writhing in pain after a fake fall to obtain a red card from the officials.

@blackrose_221 2 года назад

I think whats really surprising is that as soon as merc got a p3&4 lewis' back suddenly healed. George stopped caring about all the drivers well being and toto was eerily quiet about drivers safety.

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

How is his back healed? They're still in pain. They were just shut up.

@johnnychimpo7539 2 года назад

I think it’s really surprising how Lewis and Mercedes live in your head 24/7

@leebutler9470 2 года назад

How is it suprising. The car perfermed better, which you could conclude was a result of less bouncing. The two are related. But actually, both Merc drivers said FP and quali was still causing strain. The latest figures show 10g verticle loads though there spine

@kityhawk2000 2 года назад

@@johnnychimpo7539 you'd think they be satisfied now that Redbull are the new Merc. Guess some people aren't happy unless they're moaning about something

@alexloizides4641 2 года назад

Wait, you are aware that merc finished p3&p4 in Baku right? It's almost as if different tracks bring out different characteristics in cars...

@caphowdy666 2 года назад

Wollff has already admitted the team put performance over safety with their own car because they went too extreme with set up, but now has the cheek to call out other teams for putting performance over safety and make accusations against them silencing their drivers to cover up the fact that Mercedes has fucked up their car design this year. Most team bosses are known for bitching when they are behind other teams, but he is taking it to a new level right now. This is beyond the usual cry baby attitude of Horner and his handlers, this is an out and out tantrum on his part. It also seems that he is using George as a mouthpiece, so to say that other teams are controlling what their drivers say is quite rich. George turning around saying other teams are putting performance above safety at the same time Wolff is saying it, and right after Wolff admitted that is what Merc did in Baku, just smacks of George just being a mouthpiece.

@AndyHack10 2 года назад

I'm so fed up with Mercedes and Wolff.

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

I'm so fed up with you new fans that are clueless.

@gavinmurray3378 2 года назад

Ooh the Race's bias dripping out here 😆 this is the fia stepping in to assist their golden child and his team, simple as. Merc had every chance to change setups to make the car less bouncy but they havent cause they dont want to lose pace. RBR and ferrari are completely correct

@ashesh2049 2 года назад

British media, their bias drips with their statements

@andreivlaicu8536 2 года назад

Scott Mitchell in particular actually. Even his tone of voice is insufferable.

@stktriz 2 года назад

If Mercedes are the golden child why did the FIA ban DAS just because red bull couldn't keep up??

@vandalsgarage 2 года назад

Why did the FIA ban Red Bulls flexi wing? Or the blown diffuser?

@stktriz 2 года назад

@@vandalsgarage because the blown defused is basically using the engine as an areo device, and the flexi wings give an areo advantage a

@ashokdeb8365 2 года назад

Strange how Wolff can get a rule change mid season, compared to when they were dominant during the turbo hybrid era, other engine manufacturers had to wait for a couple of years to modify their engines.

@tensevo 2 года назад

The TD is not a response to Wolf. It is a response to the "majority" of drivers on the grid.

@alexlacl8730 2 года назад

Wow fia litteraly banned das, party mode, fric system, double drs, wheel frim, they cut brake duct winglets, changed tires. But fia still did nothing to stop mercedes 😀

@ashokdeb8365 2 года назад

@@tensevo Only Toto Wolff has been vocal about it. No other team principals are coming forward.

@iangrant8290 2 года назад

@@alexlacl8730 Exactly. And it was almost always Horner front and center crying the most, and people are trying to act like he's some kind of beacon of sporting integrity.

@stktriz 2 года назад

DAS was a good and legal innovation and it was banned because red bull couldn't figure it out

@luckyluc25 2 года назад

Porpoising happened 40 years ago when they first ran ground effects. All teams said they knew it could happen again. You'd think they would have figured it out already. After 40 years, if you got it wrong, don't complain when others got it right.

@DashedSimpusMaximus 2 года назад

Merc if you care so much about driver heath and safety, just raise the height of your cars, or just fix your cars, this ain't hard..

@greenlantern7959 2 года назад

Russell was suggesting active suspension during preseason, which suggests that Mercedes have an active suspension solution and now want to get the jump on deploying it. FIA should have nullified the 44’s constructors points at Baku, when Lewis took so long to get out of the car. If the driver can’t perform the emergency egress procedure because of the car, the car is unsafe. The driver will always choose the faster car, FIA need to punish the dangerous team.

@Rearmostbean 2 года назад

I like the idea. If the car is causing injury the role of the FiiA is to intervene

@hbtm2951 2 года назад

Different rules for Mercedes i guess

@mordsythe 2 года назад

I think Lando summed it up the best. They could solve their issues by raising the ride height by 20mm.

@gabormiklay9209 2 года назад

The moment Netflix's 'Drive to survive' has an effect to F1, is the moment when I think the whole interview/video/opinion is major BS.

@gealingeman8643 2 года назад

That interview part is fully staged

@hishamhilal8332 2 года назад

Its neither Ferrari's nor red bull's fault Mercedes couldn't build a good car this year. It shouldn't be the fia's problem either. This is strictly a Mercedes issue and they should solve it by themselves.

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

Do you actually believe this bullshit yourself? I mean in this video alone, you see several cars bouncing. Not just Mercedes.

@OG-512 2 года назад

Mercedes issue, but there are 17 other drivers who have said it’s a problem? Ok.

@Max-pi7ri 2 года назад

@@OG-512 yeah but the other teams are not trying to kill their drivers with extreme setups to their car ignoring the drivers safety Merc drivers are the only ones to have a genuine safety risk from extreme porpoising And Mercedes is the only team complaining to the FIA about changing the rules while forcing their drivers to race in such terrible cars

@spac18 2 года назад

@@OG-512 nope

@sams8370 2 года назад

same way it wasn't mercs fault other teams couldn't keep up with their development but that didn't stop the fia from banning them when other teams complained about it

@diogosimoes3618 2 года назад

Why is Toto still so angry if all he cares about is driver safety. This FIA intervention forces a driver to not have to endure bouncing. Or is it maybe because he knows Mercedes is F ed because they're gonna be forced to raise the ride height no questions asked. Not fooling anyone

@benfulford3943 2 года назад

Did you watch the video? They haven't enforced the new technical directive yet but RB and ferrari are trying to object to it and block it. He's annoyed that they are actively campaign against the FIA intervention

@TheQwerty99215 2 года назад

Your conclusion is LITERALLY the opposite of the truth. Im actually impressed

@HIPsteHeero 2 года назад

@@benfulford3943 Yet, he could still easily enough do something about it NOW, he doesn't need the FIA to intervene. THAT is the thing that's so dumb about this. And can you honestly tell me, that if it was Merc that was the one that had the least trouble with this and had been the team to have the seeming solution to this, that Toto wouldn't be the loudest of all of them to say that it was ridiculous and dumb for other teams to not just do something about it themselves and how manipulative it would be for the FIA to have to step in for teams themselves being unwilling to do what was necessary? Toto is literally just throwing a tantrum because literally the ONE single thing he cares about is winning and the money that comes in from it. That's literally it.

@pt4643 2 года назад

Because Toto is complete fraude

@benfulford3943 2 года назад

@@HIPsteHeero except it isn't that simple. They have said they have tried running the car at the highest ride height and they still get the problem. A lot of the issues come from the new suspension rules and just how stiff these cars are. The merc looked planted all weekend and wasn't bouncing around that much. RB are crying about the cost cap but are worried this might effect them (even though they are probably going to benefit from it the most). It's driver safety yet Horner is getting his drivers to play politics in the media. Classic Horner, such a shit sturer

@huwprice881 2 года назад

It is for the teams to sort their cars out, and to decide if their cars are safe, not the FIA. Mercedes’ screwed up and are now looking to disadvantage the other teams. Woolf would sell his granny if it suited his purpose.

@remy090 2 года назад

Red Bull toxic fan.

@822green 2 года назад

@@remy090 🤣

@craigcottam 2 года назад

And Horner would pimp out his kids if it suited his purpose.

@adrianncharles436 2 года назад

Redbull purchased the answer to f1 porpoising from Massi 🤣🤣😝🤓

@seanonraet8327 2 года назад

its the FIA's job to mandate whether a car is safe or not, not the teams

@camcambambam5128 2 года назад

Teams should not have to compromise their designs to cater to another teams short comings. The team with the issues can take steps back to fix their own problems

@curbyi76 2 года назад

Party mode DAS completely agree consistency needed

@remy090 2 года назад

Ignorant comment. You assume that raising the ride height fixes the problems.

@norbertjanssen814 2 года назад

If Mercedes has really had inside information regarding this change then they should be severly punished. Toto Wolf is lying his ass off with the driver safety thing as well. If they want the drivers to be safe than they should do something about it themselves. Since Lauda´s death they have become less and less likeable.

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

So what should the 9 other teams do, it's not just Mercedes. Not participate? They cannot solve it. They've tried for months, their drivers are hurting. And Christian Horner is just commenting like a child "Raise the Ride Height" even though he knows that they're already maxed. Because he'd rather race alone on the track as long as he wins.

@JoseCastillo-yh5ei 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 Bingo!!

@norbertjanssen814 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 They can solve it they just would be slow due to there own design flaws. Being at a Maximum hide right is BS and anyone who´s a bit more in to the technical side of F1 knows this. And all that is irrelevant compared to the fact that Mercedes seems to have had inside knowledge about upcoming TD´s. If you can´t see that is wrong then discussing things further is pointless.

@srinathshettigar379 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 other teams dont have acting experience like lewis and mercedes and create drama like them. LOL

@SwastikPradhan26january 2 года назад

@@srinathshettigar379 I get that Mercedes is trying to portray the problem bigger than it is but do you really believe no other teams have created drama and acted childish?

@Chris1553 2 года назад

It’s all about making rules so Mercedes might win, it truly stinks !

@willappleton6078 2 года назад

You seem to have forgotten how many times Red Bull have asked for things to be changed and have got them. DAS, party mode for example.

@F1NewsUK 2 года назад

Think we need a rule where Mercedes start on the front row and Ferrari and Red Bull start from the back.

@corpsecoder_nw6746 2 года назад

Ferrari is the team (over the 72 year history) to have complained the most about innovations, technical regulations, problematic phenomena. They've given much less emphasis on the safety of things too. But if Mercedes's cover of safety feels unlikeably disingenuous to you, I get that.

@tensevo 2 года назад

Hydraulic suspension, inerters, f ducts, double diffusers..... All items red bull and others got banned.... Get a grip dude.

@Chris1553 2 года назад

@@tensevo Mercedes steering bias adjustment during race and that’s just one !

@BeckerFlag 2 года назад

Mercades isn't going to get much sympathy on this case. We all know if they were in Reb Bull's position Toto wouldn't give a damn about the other teams. He's be saying its up to them to fix their cars.

@deepanveeran3551 2 года назад

How you know?

@stellar6643 2 года назад

And Vice Versa for Horner.

@Nemo-Ingen 2 года назад

@@deepanveeran3551 Because that's how F1 has always been. Anything to get a leg up on the opposition.

@matthewcamina8508 2 года назад

To be fair, Horner has been doing this for 8 years. Requesting every part of the Mercedes be scrutinised. The FIA often bent the knee and banned innovative parts, DAS, party mode etc

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

@@matthewcamina8508 However, DAS and Party Mode gave competitive edges, no one was hurt over it. Now 18 out of 20 drivers on the grid are suffering physical pain and numbness and Horner just drops factless comments that are killing the sport.

@blacksterangel 2 года назад

Wolff saying other drivers are briefed to play down the situation is hypocritical at best. I could say the same thing about "the seat has gone cold" and all the theatrics of not being able to climb up from the car from Hamilton.

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

Other drivers are saying it plenty enough themselves.

@so8263 2 года назад

Not really, Toto is gathering info some drivers may have said at the beginning of the season, but as Lando put, we have addressed our issue, as most other teams have. The joke was what Daniel was complaining about was related specific to their car which was fixed. It seemed like all everyone was talking about, even the sky team was porposing all the weekend of Baku, only to find out a few days later it was not all porposing in every case of the few drivers that complained that weekend. This kind of things makes it hard to determine at times what is fact, fiction or just drama...what a season and not even 10 races in

@alexlacl8730 2 года назад

Dafuq you talking about man ?

@so8263 2 года назад

I said what I said...

@herbzy1 2 года назад

They design a self proclaimed shitbox then call other teams pitiful for not designing a shitbox?

@jeroenaerts83 2 года назад

If Wolff is that occupied with the drivers well being, he could start with putting the ride height of their car up so that his driver's don't have to cry in the media that they can't drive this kind of car. But rather than doing that the team that has manipulated F1 for years will try to keep on manipulating 🤦

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

The Ride Height is maxed, stop believing Horner propaganda.

@berryryder9175 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 If the ride height is indeed maxed and Mercedes is still suffering from porpoising, that means then that they have built a fundamentally unsafe car and should thus be DSQ'd from the season.

@witnessg431 2 года назад

Did you not watch the montreal race, they literally raised the height of the car. They already said they aren't going to go as aggressive as they did in Baku.

@poggolius4358 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 So pretty much there car is just shit?

@andikarifqimaulana 2 года назад

i think mercedes already have a plan if the regulation is really changing. But their plan must involving a regulation change without that, it cannot work. That's why toto is so loud about the "safety" porpoising issue. it's like mercedes trying to stir the FIA into their favour.

@gealingeman8643 2 года назад

Exactly

@stocktonjewkes 2 года назад

i’m so sick of toto, always begging the FIA for a bailout when Mercedes can’t keep up. why on earth should all teams be forced to fix a problem that only a handful have? nonsense.

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

Lmao mate. Horner has been crying every day for 8 years, and no one was getting hurt. Now 9 teams are complaining, and you're attacking Mercedes. 🤣🤣

@stocktonjewkes 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 i mean that’s just not true, you just don’t like Horner but that’s ok. explain to me why teams without a severe porpoising or bottoming issue should be forced to make changes to their cars? most have already fixed the problem since Bahrain. Mercedes just doesn’t want to have to make changes that others don’t because they’ll lose more tenths to RB and the like.

@stocktonjewkes 2 года назад

Toto pushed for these changes and he got the changes - but he isn’t happy with them because it doesn’t knock EVERYONE down a peg or two, just those who continue to have the issue.

@SwastikPradhan26january 2 года назад

@@stocktonjewkes Toto is ofcourse trying to degrade other teams performance using driver safety as a shield... That's very obvious..... But driver safety is genuinely an issue so FIA would also count the teams who didn't complain( but has porpoising) ... The only team which is not facing is rb but the rest of the teams do have some sort of bouncing whether they complain or not .... And the team principals are fairly similiar to each other... Had redbull got the regulations wrong even they would have similiar complaints....

@stocktonjewkes 2 года назад

@@SwastikPradhan26january i understand that and i’m not arguing driver safety isn’t important, i’m just saying toto is taking shots at all these different team bosses for no reason other than he didn’t get his way.

@antvern7356 2 года назад

It’s painfully obvious Mercedes are failing with this car & need to pull out all the stops to hamper other teams, they have previous form for it. The front wing rule change & the pit stop change was a clear way to hamper RB last season

@TheFatmer 2 года назад

The team that mastered the new regs can’t afford to finish the season due to the cost cap… says it all really, cost cap, new regs, new tyres all in the same year was a mistake by the FIA.

@BKKLB 2 года назад

Mercedes isn’t used to being 3rd on merit…. Its easy to say “we focus on ourselves” when you are winning. When you are losing apparently you find an issue you are having a problem with and force everyone else to comply with your problem area. When Will Buxton and Sam Collins were talking about it in the Tech Talk segment, my knee jerk response was “Is Mercedes trying to put thumb on scales?” So its fascinating learning they were the ones who initiated it and are fighting for it. I appreciate driver safety, but it really seems like Mercedes are just using safety as cover to gerrymander regulations.

@RBGgermanKX250F 2 года назад

They failed the exam and now lobby to get the exam changed

@ryan_singh 2 года назад

Word

@MrMezmerized 2 года назад

The hypocrisy of Wolff claiming other teams are manipulative. Let's not forget the warning that Lewis probably wouldn't be able to race in Canada... and he then looked absolutely fine. Or how the Mercedes suddenly had two rods for the floor the moment they were allowed. Or how about Wolff trying to influence Massi during races. All teams try stuff... that's part of the game... and Mercedes is at the front

@RoysIdea 2 года назад

It wouldn’t surprise me if Mercedes wrote the change to the TD themselves and sent it to the FIA for official approval.

@PatrickBhardwaj 2 года назад

yup thats why perez and gasly also agree with the comments made by mercedes drivers. Clearly you believe everything horner says instead of looking at the information avaliable to you. Mercedes having 5g of vertical forces is ofcourse fake according to RBR i guess. The rules would hurt mercedes more than RBR .

@deeacosta2734 2 года назад

All of the cars are either porpoising or bottoming out. You can see it on the heads-up video. Sergio and Carlos were some of the biggest complainers. Please bring back the J-dampers next year. It’s brilliant tech.

@veckgames 2 года назад

What goes around comes around. Mercedes were pegged back in their dominant years by technical reg changes made for "safety" reasons numerous times with the most recent one being the 2021 floor changes that clearly affected low-rake cars much more so than they did high-rake cars. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

@Matt09pearce 2 года назад

I agree with Horner somewhat. Adding regulation seems to be catering to the team. they know how how to fix porpoising but it would be at the cost of performance. The team should be the ones to balance that their car is still safe yet fast and the FIA should be using whatever sensors that are available to them to ensure that teams are in fact, keeping their car safe. If not? Black flag

@OG-512 2 года назад

You’re only seeing it from 1 side fella

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

You only heard Horners version which is why you agree. RB fixed porpoising, no other team knows how too. They don't know how to do it. They cannot fix it. Horner rather have a 2-car grid with only his cars, than have a fun, competitive sport for viewers.

@Matt09pearce 2 года назад

@@OG-512 teach me the other side im not hearing? Im not brand loyal

@fidjdbdjficbfk7944 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 Only Mercedes created the DAS. It was removed after a short 2020 season. Why dont give the title to RB this year and adapt the regs for next year.

@Matt09pearce 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 increasing ride height doesnt improve the issue?

@SmashGhost 2 года назад

Toto is the Amber Heard of F1

@MLOO123 2 года назад

Lol... Amber Wolff... Makes a great pair!

@mz5790 2 года назад

Come on guys, just grow up.

@kawi4nia599 2 года назад

Mercedes zero side pod concept means that they have the biggest floor that will flex the most. The fIA letting them put a second stay is not fair. Mercedes would need to add a lot of weight to stiffen the floor. The concept is a bust.

@user-zz6iv2ou6f 2 года назад

You have no access to the data, nor the technical research that led them to the design. You are simply regurgitating information you’ve been told. You have no clue that the concept is a bust or not, nor the information necessary to make an informed opinion.

@stktriz 2 года назад

If it was just Mercedes bouncing I would agree with you but it's every team even red bull! Sergio said it was messing his vision up

@davidpeniel7168 2 года назад

Isn't wolff saying drivers being asked to play down porpoising the same as Horner saying Mercedes are dramatising the effect of their porpoising

@A.I.Mmusic 2 года назад

Oh no. Mercedes is not dominating the season. Guess who is complaining the loudest.

@stellar6643 2 года назад

Oh no. Red Bull were not dominating the 2014 and 2015 seasons. Guess who was complaining the loudest.

@OG-512 2 года назад

RB complained during Mercedes era, wow

@LetsTango94 2 года назад

The difference is that Wolf doesnt know how to build a bad car to a world champion car, he was given a phenomenal car since his joined Mercedes, so its always been natural to be dominant.

@theincrediblemd9761 2 года назад

Hey !!! It's not like Wolf builds the car u r not thinking about engineers, technicians and whatnot man

@jb-y1487 2 года назад

Be he managed to win 8year in a row though dummy 🤣

@karthikpenumetch9300 2 года назад

But he’s literally won 8 years in even despite having several rule changes. That’s not easy at all. Also do you even know what a team principal does.

@willyoung6858 2 года назад

Merc had a pretty crap car from 2010 to 2013 so I wouldn’t say that’s true

@LetsTango94 2 года назад

@@jb-y1487 ummmm i don’t think you understood my point… read it again but slower.

@trousers2 2 года назад

Love how Merc fans only argument is 'well Horner would do the same thing!' knowing full well Toto's intentions are nothing to do with safety

@bbbbaa6550 2 года назад

I’m losing all my respect for Mercedes at this point. Fix your own problems and if you can’t don’t go out crying for someone else to help you. Disgusting behavior they think F1 is all about them

@johnnychimpo7539 2 года назад

Oh nooo, Mercedes doesn’t have the resided of bbbb aa. What are they going to do now?

@Gofex1337 2 года назад

What respect? You came from Drive to Survive. Your bias has been for Red Bull since your Day 1. Just the fact that you lack any facts is proof enough of that.

@marksapollo 2 года назад

@@Gofex1337 Haha Christ the coping and salt with you is utterly hilarious 😂🤣😂🤣🧂 anyone who dislikes Mercedes’ is a Drive To Survive fan hahah 😂🤣🧂🧂🧂

@michaellinner7772 2 года назад

Who knows they might try suspending the seats like they do in hardcore off road racing like the Baja 1000 or the seats in a circus highwire act. Then the boys can talk about spring rates and clearance issues about that new addition ad nauseum. On another note, I never realized that Christian Horner was so short. On TV they don't usually show him next to other people so the sense of scale isn't there.

@Matt7R 2 года назад

Are people not seeing the connection between Russell and the FIA and Mercedes reacting so quickly to the directive lol

@diehardpizza7107 2 года назад

its all in the setup. but they refuse to use a setup that is good for their driver this is not a rule or safety issue this is a setup issue and toto is too stubborn to fix it because it might lose time. this is just complaining they made a shit car this year and he wants to penalise the entire grid for it. imagine if haas did this wonder if they got the same treatment

@awesimo4684 2 года назад

It's not setup. That is what they did - Mercedes stiffened the car to stop porpoising but now are horrible on bumps. Besides, even Verstappen said that Baku was too bumpy for current F1 cars and needed to be resurfaced for next year. With the ban on hydraulic suspensions, these cars simply can't handle bumps nearly as well as previous years' cars. And yeah, some cars are better than others, but every team had an excessively bumpy ride in Baku. Mercedes were the pioneers of the hydraulic suspension systems, so it's not really surprising to see them struggling more than others now that it's banned.

@ashitkotian2396 2 года назад

The whole bunch Toto, Lewis and George are taking F1 for a ride with their theatrics. They have the least proposing in smooth tracks(spain), so they want other teams like Ferrari to suffer in those races so they can challenge the RedBulls.

@khasmir666 2 года назад

Sure, it must be very difficult and uncomfortable to drive like this but I have not seen any real safety issues except Hamilton his back but it's up to the teams to deal with it. I'm pretty sure that if Merc doesn't improve the situation, at some point Hamilton could refuse to get into an noncompetitive car that is just going to kill his back.

@KakiMod 2 года назад

Toto wolff : porpoising affecting drivers health Toto wolff : james… adjust it to the lowest height

@andyf1210 2 года назад

'Curing the purposing will solve 90% of our problems' - Mercedes