Why MMO PvP ALWAYS SUCKS 

feels like they only speak about WOW when they say MMOs... for example guild wars 1 had max stats so gear wasnt even a question... also the skills adapted to the mode youre playing etc. this whole video is just some whining

This is wows problem though, having unbalanced advantages due to gear in a competitive arena environment should absolutely be removed. Battlegrounds and world PvP is fine but gear in an arena match should be gone by now. If you want to have an advantage over other players due to gear then go play PVE. No PvP game will thrive from an unfair advantage and to believe that it does is beyond a disconnected mentality.

Pvp in almost all mmo’s is a joke, and dead. MMO’s are almost all designed around the pve content. So because the game was never built around pvp it will always be sub par. Cry me a river in your niche mmo pvp scene with a total of 20 dudes rotating lobbies with eachother bc nobody else plays the damn game.

@@aidanproy1484 what MMORPG have you played both pve and pvp?

I had an amazing time for 4 or 5 years with PvP in Elder Scrolls Online, the entire PvE side of that game didn't interest me at all. I had a small scale group of ~8 very good players, and a massive guild which we used to coordinate server wide tactical/strategical movements. We also did GuildvGuild fights and smaller "pitched battles", but we had to set those up ourselves. There was no duelling or Battle Arena then. I can understand why people have had bad experiences with PvP but I think that's largely solo/duo players who want to experience single player content in a world where you occasionally run into other players to make it seem more lively. That's not an MMO to me. I can go into why ESO PvP came undone. Part of it was what was mentioned at the start of the video - they had no seperate PvE/PvP balancing and PvP players didn't spend half as much as PvE players. But there's a lot more to it.

@@jesperburns sounds like you wasted your time playing an mmo for pvp when would have had more fun in a game made for pvp. It's like saying it's ok to eat soup with a fork because you had fun eating soup with a fork.

@@Ceisri I have played fps games nearly professionally (getting "paid" in mice, mats and headsets) and was top 4% in a moba. Never had as much fun as I had with MMO PvP. Largely because of the community aspect, fighting against another organised common enemy, syncing builds, etc. You can't get that with any other pvp game. But it seems like you've made up your mind and are just reading what you want to read. I was open to having a conversation.

@@jesperburns "you can't get that with any other game" yes you can, and no one plays those games, because if you are a normal human being, pvp and mmo mechanics just aren't compatible with fun. All the game's that tried to make it big in MMO pvp died for a reason...unless Albion but seriously that's just RuneScape with donkeys.

@@Ceisri Why aren't large scale battles, capturing castles/outposts and non-match made 8vXs compatible with mmo mechanics/fun? _"All the game's that tried to make it big in MMO pvp died for a reason"_ Reasons that differ per game. I agree that forcing PvP on PvE players is a path to failure, more so if combined with full loot. ESO in the EU alone, had 9 1500 player servers on launch and they all crashed regularly due to overpopulation. Server performance and lack of new content made PvP "fail". And balancing. And no, if nobody plays those games I can't get it with those games, because for what we did for 5 years we need lots of players.