Why more pop songs should end with a fade out 

Vox *Ok this is too scientific for what I like about the fade out, but in my opinion is good cuz I don't like an abrupt ending, then jump to the other song, is like watching a movie like I don't know Transformers and the movie ending just right the second the big climatic epic moment finish, you don't have a resolution or a way to calm down that hype, and for me that doesn't work, even if your like it or don't, I mostly hear songs where the fade out it's with the music*

but it can be done badly.

Aaron Mijail Herrera Castro Exactly

Vox I

vox you have no taste in muisic like vice. pls dont do muisic.

Voxonians take themselves way too seriously to ever make a joke like that

Yo, dat durk durk dude got arrested for sex trafficking.

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Kyle Ganger what?

Songs don't always need a fade out but certain songs are better because they have one! the way a lot of songs are constructed these days doesn't lend itself to the fade out, it all depends on the song as to whether you use a fade out.

Ah yes, Rhianna

I know I do that too! I feel disrespectful to the artist just to cut their song short

lmaooooooooo omg thats gold!

Genius

BlackPlayer does it automatically!!

I only do this when other people are listening

G_Manitie that’s how Vox works lmao

@Msha Maxwell it's still an opinion lol doesn't make it wrong makes it uneducated

G_Manitie u made me fkn laugh hard

agreed

Did you hear the next sentence? It's wrong because it was based on lack of information, when she had the information her opinion was different, that's why it was wrong. you need to listen to what people say instead of sensationalizing and obsessing over a single phrases that trigger you 🤦🏾‍♂️

because it's interesting.

Literally every vox video ever

cause youre not afraid to learn?

Cause why not lol

GabeGames Welcome to Vox, where you become interested in things you never cared about

See also: deadmau5

like on bryson tillers trap soul album the first two songs just fade into each other it's awesome

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To pimp a butterfly

Meteora by Linkin Park

@Sam no, thats an arbirtray statistic that has no correlation to how memorable or impactful a song is. the tap-along statistic simply shows that without closure we dont know when to close. big surprise there.

@@comradesXcosmos The comment was sarcastic LOL. Obviously what's important is the story being told not when you stop tapping your foot, VOX reached really hard when they used that to prove their point.

would you like something to end abrutly like this song ,no you d

@@futrey9353 R Soraya is saying that the song ends without trailing on. it still has the equivalent of punctuation. it would be the difference between the sentance "he spoke at lenght on and on and on and on and on and on..." versus "he spoke at length". "abrupt" in this sense does not mean that a sentance isnt complete, just like the final measure in the song is complete.

@@comradesXcosmos i know but for me it feel like it is

I thoght they were cutting off the song

Same 😂

here here Canyentay

Holy crap thanks for the likes everyone

Yeah but thats the wrong ome

Yeah exactly

Yeah!

MaryArts this is very random but i like indie pop songs to have fade out but when mainstream pop does this is sounds random and might not always flow at end

“Made uncreatively”

Also I think the fade out on work fits perfectly, it sounds awful when it resolves

As a producer, I can say that your dad is correct.

That whole rihanna song is uncreative. I like a lot of her songs but that one is awful

Exactly. I think the video was good but they should have slightly altered their language to make it less about one form being right.

I think the point of the video is that the fade out has been pretty much consigned to the dustbin of history and there are certain songs that would have sounded much better with a fade out! not necessarily all songs but the fade out should still be used on occasion

vox will probably make a 10 minute video on the "Science of The Hard Stop"

Clide Gearden Yeah, I sent my song in for mastering and it came back with a case out. Sent it back and asked for it to be how I intended. Made me seen like *I* was craY.

Yeah... One of their examples of a bad hard stop bugged me. They criticized Somebody That I Used to Know's ending in this video but the ending actually works really well in the flow of the album. Just seemed like they wanted to push the fade out without considering the benefits of a hard stop.

Abin Joes You should listen to some Stevie Wonder songs. He never stops singing as he fades. But at some point, his genius ad-libs must come to an end. L0l

charnae young I love Stevie Wonder! The point that I was making is that songs that don't have face outs aren't necessarily made better by adding it, as some people just don't care

Abin Joes It’s really all opinionated supported by some fact. And because, compared to the hard endings, could’ve sounded nicer.

Agreed

Same. Fade-outs seem cheesy and artificial to me.

That's the composer task!!!

how about reverb fade out endings?

I like songs that trick the listener with a fade out before picking back up

@@TheGalaxyWings The Beatles' 'Strawberry Fields Forever' and 'Helter Skelter' both do that.

@@experi-mentalproductions5358 when I wrote that I was thinking of foc by rodrigo and gabriella

rickroll does that lol

@@DonnieTheGuy He gave up

I agree, but even that can work sometimes, but only in certain situations where you want to create a feeling of repetition, something lasting forever.

@@nintySW like hey jude

But your opinion is wrong.

Vox says that your opinion is wrong. Us, sheeps, will say that you're wrong, even though what you just said is actually 100% correct and in theme with the song.

But they didn't have to cut us off!!

Maybe they should have gone to BERKELEY instead of BERKLEE for an informed opinion.

Gahl Liberzon Oh, yeah. You're right! How insightful 😊.....

Yeah that song had a perfect ending. A fade out would have made it bad, in my (apparently wrong) opinion

+Jess icaa I think so too. It's about a break-up. He makes his point, she answers, another chorus follows, and the abrupt ending is the only legitimate ending for this song. :-)

choruses fading out can be really cheesy. like the 80s.

Jess icaa I was thinking this the whole time.

Jess icaa I hated the ending but I guess it's all subjective. She did actually put in the bottom right corner that this was her subjective opinion anyway

I still hate the fade out, even if it's pop music.

I agree. The abrupt ending however should work well with the band. In "explosive" rock/metal like Rage against the machine and System of a down, it works

WRONG OPINION

DING DONG YOUR OPINION IS WRONG

S O N I C A D V E N T U R E

beflygelt exactly.

Ding dong your opinion is wrong

beflygelt ikr? 😂😂

Vox in a nutshell.

Wooweee 1984

I love that album, but I feel like the fade in "Supercut" is a bit too long

@@nikolovski_exe I actually love it. It’s the long, painful death of the relationship she is conveying in the album

masterpiece

SUPERCUT

The Steady that’s my biggest issue too. I had 1 fade out on my last project and it just makes for awkwardness on stage

You're not wrong there. You can see how awkward it is when on TV and it being mimed, as the song ends everyone looks at each other and acts embarrassed

@@michaeltowler2632 I'm writing some music with fade-outs, and I just plan to make up a cold ending for em to play live

I think if your song was made to fade out and your using it for a live performance then you should arrange an alternative version of the song with a cold ending that’s specially used for live performances Selena pulled this off very well with her song Bidi bidi bom bom

Just dim the lights, everyone cheers then everyone goes home

A Walking Taco but its wrong.

*W r o n g O p i n i o n*

The Dude is right.

There is no right opinion that would be a fact lol

This video is opinionated bullshit. Every song they mentioned at the end sounds great without fadeouts, despite what they think. As a DJ, one of the most annoying thing to deal with is a song that fades out rather than having a defined ending. DJs often loop the ending of a song so that it flows better with the song we're going to play next, but it's WAY harder to pull off this technique with a song that fades out. What happens is that you end up with a song that gradually gets quieter, then suddenly loud again when we loop the outro. It's a nightmare to deal with when you're a DJ trying to blend two songs together seamlessly. Fadeouts should remain in the 80s where they belong.

Neptune is *again* the farthest known planet in our solar system. For a while it was Pluto.

"@@permafrost0979 The IAU F'ed up it's definition bad, and they have admitted to it and plane to change it in the future "First, it recognizes as planets only those objects orbiting our Sun, not those orbiting other stars or orbiting freely in the galaxy as 'rogue planets' Second, the fact that it requires zone-clearing means "no planet in our Solar System" can satisfy the criteria, since a number of small cosmic bodies are constantly flying through planetary orbits - including Earth's. Finally, and "most severely", they say, this zone-clearing stipulation means the mathematics used to confirm if a cosmic body is actually a planet must be distance-dependent, because a "zone" must be clarified. This would require progressively larger objects in each successive zone, and "even an Earth-sized object in the Kuiper Belt would not clear its zone".“dwarf planet” How can an adjective in front of a noun not describe the noun?There are dwarf stars but they’re still considered stars. Fun fact every single planetary scientists at the IAU vote to keep Pluto a planet, it was astrophysicist, astronomer and other that voted against it. The field of science that specialist in Planets did't get to define there ow field...asking an astronomer, who studies a wide variety of celestial objects and cosmic phenomena, rather than a planetary scientist, who focuses solely on planets, moons, and planetary systems, for the definition of a planet is like going to a podiatrist for brain surgery "A planet is a sub-stellar mass body that has never undergone nuclear fusion and that has sufficient self-gravitation to assume a spheroidal shape adequately described by a triaxial ellipsoid regardless of its orbital parameters." makes more sense

Yeah, Pluto is a dwarf planet

too soon

@@-BigTMoney- that last sentence would mean our moon, many other moons, ceres and e few other asteroids, etc are all also planets. are you sure you speak for the community in this?

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It’s only really the writers opinion

I think people are forgetting that this is a first person narrative. Saying "that was the wrong opinion" is anecdotal and refers to her statement: "I used to hate the fadeout. It felt like a cop-out, a lack of creativity, a boring anti-ending." The rest of the video is about proving that her opinion was wrong, that fade-outs are sometimes intentional and better for the song. This is a moment when you realize people will always remove things out of context to make their point gospel.

@@navypinkdesign Thing is tho.. There are NO wrong opinions, there are just different opinions. Saying wrong opinion is like saying dehydrated water, it's just not possible. There can be wrong definitions, wrong theories, wrong actions, but not wrong opinions. Her opinion just like any other person's wasn't wrong, it was just different. Her *understanding* of the concept and complexity of the "fade out" was incomplete and you could call that wrong, perhaps, but not the opinion.

@@MrAlanPollo i get where you’re coming from, but I disagree with people dictating how she should phrase her own essay. I’m arguing for the colloquial use of “wrong opinion.” You appear to be arguing semantics. We’ll only go in circles.

The example meta-musical "tactic" I like to use is volume maximization taken too far. Having the music be louder apparently helps sales. There's an upper limit you hit though, and just raising the bottom of the scale compresses the volume dynamic into mush. Metallica was probably the most well known recent example of it being taken too far. They gave their Death Magnetic album the full 11 on the volume knob and ended up getting distorted digitally, meanwhile the Guitar Hero 3 dlc version had the full dynamic range and was apparently preferred by fans.

Exactly. Leave cross-fade to the mp3-player.

DID YOU ASSUME HIS/HER/THEIR/ITS GENDER????????

Okay Ajit Pai

WRONG OPINION

Nah nope, I found that really offensive

please calm down lmao

Yah same. It does not sit right with me

Well, I will tell you. Indeed it is not.

einarssone Beautiful interpretation. I have never seen it that way

That's pretty cool

I've always loved that song. You explained it so well.

I haven't heard the song, but I'm gonna listen to it.

Great comment, and you're right. Great use of fade out. Your comment made me relisten the song and I actually found a video that proves your point: here's a 1 hour version of the song where beginning and end are mixed together to form a neverending song..ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vLc90-262Vk.html

Oh my god, did she just- did she just assume the validity of that opinion?!?! I like can't even, I cannot right now!

Kommentator-T3rminator I got shocked instantly lmao

In my opinion, the sun should be about 300 percent farther from Earth for life to flourish. Not only is my opinion irrelevant, it is wrong.

Kommentator-T3rminator right? You cannot have a wrong opinion

Opinions can be wrong.

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Hahaha

Does your barber have a Soundcloud?

swopneelfly Where can I get his mixtape?

Goat comment right here

Some alt-right idiot is going to make a joke about "THAT'S VOX FOR U AMIRITE XD WHEN U TROLL A LIBTARD☜😎☜ EPIC STYLE☞😎☞" I just know it.

ThatCockyBooma Reddit in a nutshell.

Vox is full of libtards tho

Koolio Oolio ☜😎☜ WHEN U TROLL A LIBTARD ☞😎☞ EPIC STYLE

Vox is for failures.

A whole new sonic adventure Sonic adventure 3 confirmed

Rolling around at the speed of sound, Got places to go, gotta follow my rainbow!

after 16 whole years, it's finally here

nice to see you guys here

*Going around at the speed of sound* *Got places to be gotta follow my rainbow!*

Nope. More often than not, that isn't the case.

*wrong opinion*

Me too

hot take

Things like the likeability of music can't be measured objectively.

Justin calm down man, it's more a piece on 'hey look this thing doesn't happen anymore and it's quite cool' it's not trying to prove anyone wrong. And yes it would be nice to see a few more fade outs, don't get worked up about it though...

Man I hate it when someone gets mad for no reason instead of properly watching the video and absorbing the information presented within it.

Maxwell Ritz Not the likeability, the marketability. It's objectively a smarter choice to do fade-outs.

Opinions can't be wrong

And espacially when the only reason is "its complicated and youre tapping your feet 2.8 seconds longer"

r/wooosh

For those who work as DJs at parties, fade outs help an awful lot when you're transitioning from one tune to another. The only challenge is matching up the beat from the former and gradually mixing into the latter.

Pocket Squidward sounding a bit like buzzfeed there

Rock and metal has some really screwed up fade-outs. One of my favorite guitar solos of all time is the second guitar solo in Metallica jump in the fire as soon as it starts getting ridiculously sick it starts fading out. Like I know they only did that cuz Kirk Hammett probably screwed up or something like I get why they did it but it still seems pretty lame

I hate it when they're singing something different and you can't hear where it ends up going because of the fade out

A forest lmao there you here the bassline

thisss

Do you mean songs like Chained to the Rhythm?

I think the same thing happens with "Do You Love Me" (an old 50's dance tune). There's a fade out as you get toward the end but then it abruptly comes back and does the true fade out later.

Ian Becker SHUT UP.

Greg Caesar That wasn't very nice...

I DOUGHNUT CARE!

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I like jazz too :D

lmao

Mubin Kazmi lol

yea, well, that's just like, your opinion man...

HIPPITY HOPPITY YOUR THOUGHTS ARE OUR PROPERTY😂

I STRONGLY concur.

that's a good point

ANY live performer can tell you that fade-outs are objectively stupid.

Fade-outs in a studio setting is fine and live you can make adjustments. Fades can also advertise the live version since they do not have clear endings so you have flexibility.

Personally, I think it'd be quite easy to translate a studio fade to live. By just slowing down production and extending the vocal line, you can meet the "ending" of the fade at the appropriate time. The first example I think of is Blue performed by Marina and the Diamonds

Well you have to be creative with the arrangement. Just look at Mariah Carey's performance of her song Anytime You Need A Friend

Nicolas Van Kempen That's a wrong opinion, because saying "that is not something you say" is your opinion but you could say that and they did. So technically it is something you say, and claiming something as the "wrong opinion" is their opinion. I'm High.

"that's not how you should have worded it, as it makes it sound like what your presenting isn't based off of fact and science." Still kinda sounds like my opinion but I think this makes it sound less opinion based. Hmmm.

I think that statement alone is indicative of Vox's entire journalistic style.

Nicolas Van Kempen It's my opinion that you're actually the character in your avatar. Opinions CAN be wrong.

She's calling it the 'wrong' opinion to point out that it is, in fact, just an opinion. It's a preference for the fade out- and a preference can't be more or less correct than a competing one. It's tongue-in-cheek, take it easy.

Congratulations, you have taste

Yeah what about it?

When it was stated that there was a science to it I chuckled. I get the part of how frequencies fade differently, but how the song fades is determined by what sound you want not just that instruments appear to fade equally.

And your dumb

Come to think of it this is probably the weakest vox video in a while, and I usually love your music episodes too. It felt like the girl kinda just wanted to talk about how cool fade outs are but to spice things up a bit she decided to take an unnecessary hard stance on a non-issue. Also lmao @ "wrong opinion"

Yes

It's Called an opinion

Chris Onivas they said "wrong opinion"

Christian Opinions can be wrong. Especially ones that are based purely on emotion and not observations.

ThisIsTeeKay So true - fadeouts are awful for karaoke. You're either stuck sitting there singing the same damn chorus over and over or you decide to pull the plug on the song, neither of which is remotely satisfying

true, and vox have bunch of these great motion graphic design and poor logic/weak conclusion-type of video

+ThisIsTeeKay excuse me but that is the _wrong opinion_. didn't you watch the video? it's actually important and great and you should like it or you just don't get it man

yeah I don't agree with ending either. The video should have had a fade out

ThisIsTeeKay h

Joaquim G uniformed would have been must better

I hate that. it's very close to "wrong think." The quickest way to get banal art, is to tell people the "right way" to make art. If every song had a "fade out," then not having a "fade out" becomes a bold statement.

Jem crew LMAO

Jem crew HAAAAHA

Jem crew they should fade out Of existence

Now THAT is the RIGHT opinion!

They should fade out as soon as they start

I hate the fade-out, but I agree that the whole notion of Lordes' Melodrama needing fade-outs to properly convey the emotional distress that she exudes.

r/wooosh

@@elllieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee wot

I thought the same thing. Pretty much any musical practice has a technique and a subtlety that most people aren't aware of. Why the hell does vox act like the fade out is special???

AMEN

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Thot Patrol Listen to Pet Sounds. The fade outs work so well to transition to the next one.

Sometimes fade-outs are artistically justified. But very often, they're just done out of laziness or for fashion. Fade-outs were a fad; *that* is why they faded out themselves, as the video pointed out.

What about an instrumental outro? remember those? they invariably need a fade out! brothers in arms would sound silly without its slow fadeout

SektorQ WRONG

my opinion is fact and your opinion is wrong

Yes, just like my opinion that I am sexy is wrong,

Aiden Beatty Aw, don't beat yourself up about your looks, you'll get enough of that from others anyway

SektorQ no she's saying most people were opposite

Fokin joke m8

i think they were saying that tongue-in-cheek m8

i actually took offense to that too

Yeah the "wrong opinion" line was very jarring to me, as well. I understand what she was trying to say, but it's such a weird statement that it distracted me momentarily from her message.

Art is not subjective. That would mean that everything is art, and thus nothing is art. It’s an opinion that “faded in” in the 60’s and hopefully will fade out soon, taking a lot of garbage with it:)

Cross fade ftw

John Croucher Cross fading without beat matching is a sin.

We sue those who don't match a beat in a cross fade so watch out!

Chillboi she meant most people prefer the opposite she just worded it wrong

True, but I don't think that applies in this scenario. Even after I heard all this cool stuff, I still don't like it. I think it's interesting, but I still think it's not for me. That is based on my knowledge and facts on what I do and don't like. This is not a wrong opinion. Just because it is based on facts and knowledge that you don't know, or have doesn't mean it is wrong.

In this case an opinion is a personal subjective perspective, is it not? So it can neither be wrong or right? Thats just my opinion ;)

If my opinion was that climate change was non-existent, then that would be a wrong opinion. But when talking about music taste I don't think an opinion can be wrong or right

I'm probably contradicting myself now, chillboi signing out.

Nice way to end it. Not start it Cough cough* Modern pop Cough*

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I hate that fade out! Be gone already!

Just the right amount if "na"s. I like you.

Incorrect Vegetable.

*L A Y E R S*

Lev Siluyanov hmmm the similarity are the genre and the singers are black

Perhaps next episode is going to be about prevalent use of auto-tune in rap songs

Future, Gucci and the Migos are from Atlanta and Lil Uzi is very Atlanta influenced, so maybe it's about that...

Lev Siluyanov I think the billboard top 40 is just pop songs unless she means the 40/100? I'm trying to find them too. Does rake it up count as a fade out?

Lev Siluyanov all 3 are Atlanta based trap rappers, so I would imagine the next episode focuses on the production style of trap