Why NATO’s Biggest Internal Problem is Turkey 

13:30 - 14:05 the number you used for Marmara regions gdp per capita ($72,000) was accounting for purchase power parity (ppp) whereas the number for the rest of turkey or Europe was not using ppp marmara's actual gdp per capita is around $20,000 (2018) also the map you used to to show turkey's nationwide gdp per capita implies this is the gdp per capita for the area except for Marmara whereas the number includes it . the actual gdp per capita for the red area displayed on the map would be around $8,000 in terms of total gdp the Marmara region makes up for around 44% of turkeys economy not 75%

“Turkey isn’t Pro-Western nor is it Pro-Russian. Turkey is simply Pro-Turkey.” This quote is a short summary of the video.

It is funny that nobody asked this question "What the US and the UK are doing in Cyprus, Syria, and Iraq".

So many countries have territorial ambitions based on their past greatest extent, it's interesting to see how these overlap.

Fact worth mentioning about the Libyan civil war is that the opposing side to Turkey is also supported by Russia. While rest of EU (minus Cyprus, France and Greece) and UK support the same side Turkey does. To say that the modern state of Libya is a mess is a serious understatement.

The side Turkey took in Libyan civil war is the one that is officially recognized by UN so the NATO members who sided with that general dictator are in the "wrong" here, this doesnt mean Turkey is acting against NATO considering almost all NATO members recognize the government Turkey supports

Technically a shitload of NATO countries (including the US) support Turkey’s side in the Libyan Civil War too.

Thanks to the media, people who do not know each other in the world can instantly talk to each other and exchange ideas. People cannot be deceived with lies like before.

Amazing, nicely done, thank you !!!

I think a video about the Balkans geography and how that influenced the history and politics of that region would be very interesting.

21:24 Turkey, Greece and UK all signed up to a treaty that agreed upon terms of a country invading Cyprus to protect it's minority if any attack towards the latter happens. You explicitly do NOT mention this.

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The map you have for Sevres partition is wrong: 1) Greek invasion zone expanded far beyond what you have shown. It contained the whole western Anatolia. 2) Southern Turkey was given to Italy and France as mandates (colonies) 3) Independence and self determination was only for Christian minorities. Neither Arabs nor Kurds were given independence. Sevres said “Kurds were not ready for self governing”. A British mandate was to be formed which may be independent in future. Turkey offered a plebicit for Northern Iraq in Lausanne. Lord Curzon’s response was “how can Kurds decide in a plebicit, they would eat the papers”. I still have no clue how this is supposed to be funny.

Tbh in Libya it was actually France and Greece that were the odd ones out, the EU (besides Greece, Cyprus and France) and Italy in particular all backed the Tripoli based government (the same one backed by Turkey) so in that case it was more those three countries disagreeing with their allies Edit: It was/is also the government recognised by the UN

The best breakdown of one country i ever saw on RU-vid. Keep doing it, great job!

Thank you RealLifeLore!! Your information is so very helpful in helping understand the conflicts of the modern world. Your information in each of your series is SO helpful in understand the history, reasons for conflicts, and modern day concerns facing the world. For example, I never knew that Turkey and Greece loathed each other so deeply. LOVE your information, will consider a Nebulus subscription. Please keep sending this amazing content!

Greece and Turkey signed a Friendship agreement in the 30s, and relations were generally friendly until the 50s. Venizelos, who was Prime Minister of Greece under the Second Republic and was instrumental in getting the Treaty of Friendship signed with Ataturk, even nominated Ataturk for the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in normalising Greek-Turkish relations and letting go of past hatreds for the sake of stability and prosperity. The municipal council of Thessaloniki, Greece's second largest city and the birthplace of Ataturk, even voted to give the ownership of Ataturk's house to the Turkish state as a museum in 1935, which you can visit today.

Turkey blocking NATO warships from entering the black sea is due to the Montreux Convention of 1936 which makes it so turkey cannot close the straits to warships of only one nationality, making it so only ships of the black sea countries's black seas fleet can enter.

Leave everything aside, is there unrest where Turkish soldiers enter? Libya , Kıbrıs, Kosova ,Kuzey suriye, Somali, Katar ?

Turkey 🇹🇷 has dine way more to stop war, and negotiated more than any western country to help countries under fire (including Ukraine). As a Brit, we should look up to them taking no side, and helping more people, than we ever did

It's always amazing to me that any former empire that wants to expand will always use historical claims that are the most advantageous to them, and they never acknowledge one slightly less advantageous. Edit: For the few morons who don't get it, I'm not actually surprised about it. It's a sardonic comment. Of course, they're going to do that. It's called selfishness

In 2005, the Turkish government proposed to Armenia the establishment of a Historians Commission, which was a joint effort and aimed at researching the state records of both countries, but the proposal was rejected by the then president of Armenia with the following words. It states that "the responsibility for developing bilateral relations lies with governments"; "We have no right to leave this responsibility to historians," he said. How can it be proven with anything other than historical records whether genocide took place or not?

Random geography is totally fine if it gives you an extremely advantageous trade chokepoint. But it is totally unfair it makes your coastal waters a bit smaller. No wonder these old conflicts just don't seem to end and new alliances are staying at arm's length.

This is amazing quality work.

Really the best comparison for Turkey is France. France has always maintained a France first policy and has no qualms about diverting from the rest of the west when interests dont fully align. It is likewise why France and Turkey butt heads so often in the last few years. Both playing the same game but from opposing sides

American here....From personal experience based upon fairly extensive visits to the Turkish Republic in the '80s and '90s I have issues with some of the assertions or historical opinions I heard on this episode. Having said that, I always had great respect for Turkey before the Erdogan Islamic parties coalition took power. I am a great admirer of Kemal Ataturk for the cultural and political miracles that he and his brilliant coterie of "Young Turks performed in the wake of WWI. Phoenix-like, they transformed the shattered remnants of the decaying Ottoman Empire into a greatly Europeanized country, sympathetic to Western values and technology. They dismantled the Medieval Ottoman caliphate from Turkish society, and introduced sweeping reforms of everything from introducing republican democratic government, universal suffrage for women, and free public education, to the Romanization of the written Turkish language and mechanizing agriculture, and performed these Heraculean tasks virtually overnight! By Western standards, Ataturk's Turkey lagged behind Western European economies moving forward from the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923, but the country was making successive strides to catch up before Erdogan began taking steps, for cynical political reasons, to destroy the gains Turkey had made as a NATO partner and even on the verge of joining the EU. There is blame on both sides for Turkey's failure to gain EU membership, but Erdogan's steps to lead Turkey back to the Dark Ages of religious extremism, extinguishing human rights, purging the military, gutting the Constitution, and adopting Sharia-like legal tyrrany no doubt played a major role. I too was deeply skeptical of the cited figures about average per capita incomes in the Marmara region of $72,000. When people ask me, based upon my travels throughout Aegean and Anatolian Turkey, what the country is like, for many years my most (admittedly) flippant response has been that it is like an Islamic version of Mexico! However useful that comparison may or may not be, Turkey has changed dramatically if not catastrophically under Erdogan's ill conceived regime. I wish in my heart of hearts that this were not the case, but it has become self evident. The Turkish people, in my experience, are some of the warmest and most hospitable on earth. Traveling in Turkey, even deeply into its fascinating rural interior was always a pleasant if not joyful experience for a foreigner like me. Today, I would sadly not choose to visit Turkey as a tourist anymore. The changes are not in Turkey's best interests, and sad for me to see as a former Turkophile

Imagine if Greece and Bulgaria agreed to build a really long canal through their territories to the Black Sea...

The moderator went crazy. He keeps changing the title of the video :) On the one hand, he wants to show Turkey negatively, the other hand, he doesn't want it to seem too biased. tough situation :)

I don't understand how the agreement signed in 1923 affected the events in 1915 and 1917?

Wow such a detailed comparisment im so glad i found your channel, i love it so much all this information for free.

Romania and Bulgaria were not in the USSR, they were aligned to the Soviet Union, but not part of it.

Turkeys geographic spot makes it a nation that has always been on the threshold between two sides which has influenced its culture, society, politics, language, everything. Nothing defines Turkey more than this duality, so to approach this topic of Turkey from a clearly western perspective marks a fundamental flaw here, not to mention the many maps and dates that are just flat-out wrong.

You forgot to mention that the Muslim Brotherhood was democratically elected in Egypt, which is a first for the Muslim Brotherhood in the Middle East.

great video thanks

Your channel is awesome

isnt it funny that nobody asked this question "What the US and the UK are doing in Cyprus, Syria, and Iraq"

It would take another 59 minutes of video to fix all the mistakes in the video.

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US didn't sign the un maritime law either. This is such a one sided video.

For those of you wondering, the original title was about Turkey threatening NATO dominance.

the part about the Russian ships into the black sea and not allowing American is more to do with the Montreux Convention where black sea nations can have their warships enter and leave but none black sea nations can't, if i recoil that correctly. and note i know for none black sea nation there is a calibre limit for them to be classed as a proper warship.

Omg, we were watching this & all of a sudden we saw our daughter in it!! It was a such a great surprise.

11:39 careful what you say RLL, Turks dont have historic settlementation around see of Marmar, their core isnt there, but Western Mongolia/ Eastern Kazakstan, its even in THEIR historic books. Sea of Marmara was settlemented by Greeks in 660BCE (over 2600 years). turks start controlling sea of Marmar after 1453 and the fall of constantinople (Insanbul nowadays). before then, Turks had Bursa as capital, later Adrianople (Edirne), these are not coastal cities (to Marmara sea ) so where is core existance around sea of Marmara of the Turks? Greeks had their presence there for 2153 years (660 BCE To 1453 AD, not including treaty of Serves in 1919). Turks had presence for (2024- 1453=) 571 years, again their core presence came later to sea of marmara. so... Greeks were 2153 years in Marmara, Turks were 571 years in Marmar.... who's rich HISTORICAL core is around sea of Marmara? we have primary sources for these claims!!!

I'm no fan of turkey, but the way you repeatedly stress the international support for eastern libya's general haftar, while almost entirely omitting the much greater international support (US, UN, EU except for france, greece and cyprus) for the tripoli government in order to paint a picture of turkish isolation is laughable. in the foreign involvement in libya, it's not turkey that's the odd one out, it's france, greece and cyprus (mostly france, the other two are irrelevant) who are weird for sideing with russia.

One very important catch: Turkiye did NOT go and get S400s from Russia because it just felt so. Turkey said they would like an air defense system and asked US tech (Patriots). US did not provide this (let's recall, Türkiye is a NATO member - so one might still ask 'why not?'). Well, after many iterations Türkiye said 'we will get S400s'. So its US who needed to play fair. And now Türkiye is just out of F35 even though they paid for it.

2:50 Antalya güzelim Konyaaltı plajı oraya gitmeyeli uzun zaman oldu

Another question, does the rival Gogs halfed the computer pie for the Gogs?

Why the name of the video was changed from “How Turkey is Rebuilding the Ottoman Empire Again ” to “Why NATO’s biggest internal threat is Turkey”?

Pretty amazing that RLL can make all these videos without citing a single source and no one cares

That nebula thing is like 50x better that youtube Love these docus

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a major flaw in the video is lack of any mention of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. For most Turks 1923 represents a clear break with the empire of the past, and rebirth in the form of a progressive nation. Domestic politics of the past decades has been a tug of war against a counter-revolutionary sentiment and guess who’s winning at the moment. To give context though, most Turks don’t aspire to another empire, but would rather prefer a sovereign, independent, self-sustaining liberal country.

In Lıbya, Türkiye wasn't in the odds with west(!) but France and Greece was

Thank you for creating this useful and practical overview. For the uninitiated, however, it is too much information. Maybe 6 or 7 fifteen minutes videos split over different periods, would be easier to follow.

The answer is Double Standards. When Greeks purchased S300 for South Cyprus and then handed over to Greece, NATO was ok with it. As soon as Turkey declared that they planned to buy the same weapon if NATO removes Patriots from the service at the Turkish territory, hysteria broke over it!

“How DARE they have a foreign policy of their own!”

The Clickbait is insane thank you for wasting my time.

He is reading like a telephone book without understanding

We stand with the oppressed against the bloody oppressors and will always the big brother in the region

Well.. you did mention lots of topics without Turkish perpective. Turkey is not pro western for sure but you are indeed...

The whole Marmara region GDP per capita doesn’t add up. I see many conflicting sources, even with PPP calculations, it’s not even close to 70k USD…

A well explicated recent history of Turkey and it's interminable socio political challenges.

What a drag. Turkey was a steadfast ally all thru the Cold war. They fought especially bravely and sacrificed much during the Korean War.

"Recognize a genocide in retaliation" sounds like the most absurd removed-from-human-compassion, Machiavelli-like thing.

Real ones remember when the title was “Why Turkey is Restoring the Ottoman Empire”

Armenians massacred the Turkish people. The Turkish people did not harm them, they exiled them (Armenians). They were allowed to return after 3 years. There are a lot of documents about the Armenian genocide, and when the necessary examination is done, you will learn that the Turks are not guilty.

Here in Germany they do it right. You find Gyros-, and Döner-Kebap places everywhere but,... never next to each other.

Sneaky title changed from "How Turkey is rebuilding the Ottoman Empire" or something like that

13:12 Germany has built a vast network of inland Canals though which link all major navigable rivers. Something loaded onto a barge in Regensburg or Ingolstadt is much more likely to be hauled towards Antwerp, Rotterdam or Hamburg, changing river through those Canals.

i'm impressed on how all the drama in the middle east comes down to energy

Turkey is not only country that claiim such International waters. USA and France also does the same in Bering strait and English channel. Make videos about things you know not you heard

3:15 Why nobody talks about USA denies the Türkiye’s purchase of Patriot defence systems. Thus in order to build a missile system, Türkiye went to Russia and bought s-400s.

To be fair I can't fault Turkey for being as opportunistic as they are, in fact I usually expect most countries to behave that way and serve their own interests. One thing that I do have some contention with tho, is the insinuation in the video that the Anatolian interior is detrimental for habitation, granted while it is quite mountainous not really to different to the US northwest & southwest in that regard, it is however perfectly habitable despite that, personally I found the area quite lush and pleasant for the most part, I mean if that wasn't the case I doubt the Hittites would have setup their capital there.

if turkey renounces claims on cyprus and its insane maritime ambitions and just accepts international law then only peace can be achieved

Thanks!

Turkey does a lot of things that cause friction within NATO and are probably worthy of critique, but some of those points in the first couple minutes are just not good criticism. Turkey continuing to buy grain from Russia is good; it's a global commodity and reducing the supply artificially by not buying Russian grain hurts supply and drives up demand (because, you know, people gotta eat). Supporting the grain deal and refusing to buy Russian grain would be self-defeating. You need to do both. And Turkey didn't choose to enforce access restrictions to the Black Sea on NATO specifically. They invoked Montreux and had to do that or they'd also have to ignore the restrictions on Russia. If they didn't, they'd be in violation of the treaty they've chosen to uphold instead of adopting UNCLOS. Similarly, the lack of additional context on why Turkey continues to oppose Swedish membership in NATO is problematic. Sweden sells arms to Kurdish rebels, which is obviously not remotely compatible with Turkey's policies on the matter. NATO members, as a rule, do not generally sell arms to groups that oppose other NATO members. There are much stronger points for valid criticism with regards to Turkish foreign and domestic policy than those three above.

You are mixing dates, the republic was proclaimed after the events with the armenians in 1915, the turkish state had nothing to do with this as they were not even existing back then. Edit1 : You mentioning the bessarabian gap is very impressive, it was one of the biggest battlegrounds of the russians and the ottomans

The crescent is failure predestined, losing is relative ..

21:00 - Is it just me, or does this sound exactly like Russia and Ukraine? Citing they'd defend their ethnic people, launching a massive, unilateral invasion? Complete with the bit about having a questionable referendum to take over a province of Syria. Wold.

NATO's biggest internal problem is, not being able to satisfy the greed of the weapon manufacturers. Second biggest problem is not being able to stop "corruption" which is being cleverly done under the name of "lobbying"

there are several issues with this video. 1-turkey is not in conflict with its kurdish residents. within kurdish residents today, independence is a fringe cause. most kurds just want their culture to be recognized by the state so they can live in peace and nothing else. you can check their most important political leader selahattin demirtaş if you want to see it for yourself. 2-marmara isn't the only "core region" of turkey. quite far from it, actually. turkey has made several attempts, many of which were successful, to move industry away from marmara region. moving the capitol to ankara is the biggest example to it. to write off entirety of anatolia as a buffer zone for istanbul is laughably wrong. 3-your gdp numbers are also not correct. turkish gdp is not 1 trillion, it is slightly over 800 billion. and the estimation of gdp per capita for marmara region is based on what source? 4-the reason for the aegean issue is not protection of marmara. greeks pose no threat to istanbul, it is larger in population than their country is, and thats if they could get past turkish held straits (one of them being dardanelles, a strait where allied forced infamously tried to get through in ww1 and managed to get wrecked in the process, and that was when ottoman empire was literally the sick man of europe) military and somehow managed to occupy it. the reason for aegean issue is turkey wants to have more control over natural gas deposits that are within eastern mediterannean. 5-peshmerge forces (the military arm of the northern iraq autonomous region) did not just allow turkey to do cross border raids into "fellow" pkk members just because of turkish influence. those two groups have major conflicts within one another. just because they are made of kurds does not mean they'll have common interests. 6-the map you have used to show the partition of ottoman empire with the sevres is completely wrong. italy was given southern parts of turkey and greece was given significantly more than just izmir. 7-citing turkish purchases of energy related resources as evidence to turkey not being as western as rest of nato is also one hell of a take when the same issue applies to nearly entirety of european union. when germany was making their entire economy dependant on russian gas, turkey was fighting against russian backed forces in the middle east. i dont disagree with the overall assessment, it's just that one specific point does not really serve the claim it's supposed to back up. 8-erdoğan is not a turkish nationalist. hes nothing more than a pragmatist who simply uses turkish nationalism for his own goals. he was anti-nationalist for a good part of his career, as put together in his famous quote:"we have taken turkish nationalism right under our feet" when trying to pander to a kurdish audience, who he saw great support from for a very long time. 9-in libya, greece, cyprus and france were the odd ones out. rest of the eu and un (through its recognition) has backed the same side as turkey. and i know that the channel knows this from past videos. 10-lausanne did not grant any rights to muslim minorities either. it was only for christians and jews. while some of these mistakes are understandable, it's still disappointing to see such easy to avoid mistakes.

Turkey is the gate into the Middle East but what good are they in the alliance when they don’t go by the rules

tbh i'm confused y turkey even in EU turkey should be in asia

Just ask any Turkish if this is true and they will laugh at you. Turkey is in deep economical crisis we cant just pop out an Ottoman Empire out of nothing.

"Why Turkey is NATO's Biggest Internal Threat" is the original video title before they changed it. You know, if anyone wondered.

I have just simple question as an former Turkish civilian. How if we started to assimilate the nations under the flag of Turkey, how all of them now their Nationality, Culture or Language? Check the "real" assimilation done by Chinese to the Uygurian people. We never did that kinda thing. The thing done by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk is connecting the general anatolian people under the name of Turk. And he said "How happy the who say I am a Turkish". Normally in the start of the new Turkish Republic "Turkish" word defines every single person under the flag of Turkey. This is same thing like being American. But yes in last 40 years western supported Abdullah Öcalan said "Nooooo you are assimilating us. Imma save Kurdish people." which is personally total bullshit. And also weirdly English supported Alparslan Türkeş created some bullshit called "Turkish Nationalism" and Öcalan's Kurds and Türkeş supporter Turks started the racism again in Turkey. You might sayin last years there is racism increasing but it never turned to an assimilation. About general status in the Turkey radical assholes are in the control. Who are those radicals; PKK Kurds, AKP Muslims, MHP Turks etc. . These are not the all of the Kurds, Muslims or Turks. I have Armanian, Greek and African friends who all borned and living in Turkey. We are searching about history and I am sorry to say but even there is no Armanian Genocide. I can't expect you to look up Turkish History books or records but please at least show your source materials. I really wanted to check them too. Yes, this might be weird but I am not a man who believes everything he hears. Deep note: I am only listened first 10 minutes of video and I am only saying assimilation is not a thing. Military occupations, some stupid quotes sayed by Erdoğan is sadly true. About Cyprus you had to check out the Greeks strike on Turkish civillians in 1973-1974 if I am not wrong. This is why we are keeping our Military in Cyprus. But not gonna lie, I am wondering why the fuck we are in Syria and Libya. I can't say anything to protect those actions. I tried to be honest with you. I hope you can do the same thing. I am saying this because you are not look like a propaganda media who shits lie things to people. Have a nice day and thanks for reading all of these :D

It seems that the leader of turkey is a real turkey . Goble boblegoble.

So why was the title of the video changed from "How Turkey is Rebuilding the Ottoman Empire?"

Your information regarding KRG and PKK in 54:55 is extremely inaccurate. Turkey is indeed very opposed to the idea of Kurdish independence. However, Turkey is very open towards Kurdish autonomy in Iraq, as long as they do NOT claim independence entirely. Furthermore, KRG is considering PKK as a power rival, rather than potential partner for Kurdish unity. If KRG were to fall, PKK would most likely attempt to assume control in Iraqi Kurdistan with the blessing of Bagdad, as long as they are willing to keep a sustainable partnership with the federal government in Bagdad (The Iraqi government would not dare assume control of that region, as this would breach the agreement KRG made with Bagdad). Turkey is very aware of this, and is therefore very supportive of KRG power grip in the Iraqi Kurdistan. Ironically, the Iraqi government in Bagdad are more opposed towards the Turkish incursion in Iraqi Kurdistan, than the KRG itself.

You missed mentioning one very important asset/liability: the Akkuyyu nuclear plant -- built, owned and operated by Russia

10:19 it wasnt a population transfer, the ones who were transported from Greece to Turkey weren't muslims, but Albanians who lived in the "Chameria" territory, seized by Greece in 1913.

I just want to point out that Dardanelia also controls the sea trade, but you only hear them as part of geography rather than an issue. I wonder why.

14:00 that is mathematically impossible, for a region representing a third of the population to have an average GDP per capita of $72000 while the whole country having an average GDP per capita of $11900.

West has learned a good lesson from Turkey and Russia. Never make friends with autocrats and dictators.

Nebula needs to add comments.

To your point on the Kirkuk Ceyhan pipeline; it’s much more complicated than Erdogan shutting it down. Iraq took Turkey to international court over it because of a treaty signed in the 1970’s that said all oil sold to Turkey needs to be sold through the Iraqi State Organization for Marketing oil, which the KRG was not doing. Was it Erdogan or was it Baghdad who had beef with the KRG over this? Who knows. Could have been both, could have been one party or the other.

Fun fact, in 2004 the same year southern part of cyprus joined EU there was a UN backed referandum on greek and turkish sides of the island asking if they wanted reunification. Turkish side supported reunification meanwhile greek side didn't wanted it. So, even the greeks in the island doesn't want to unify but they also reject that turks in the north have the right to be there or have a government.

Turkey president should appreciate his huge country and not be greedy to bully a smaller country ,Greece

The absurdity of the video start with its cover page: Cyprus is not even a Nato member. Nato countries are doing operation with Cypriot army against Turkey. So Nato is acting hostile against Turkey, with non-Nato members. Ridiculous.