Why Neil Kinnock still has doubts about a Labour victory 

The interests of the red wall, traditional working class, blairites, EU pant sniffers, Islam, militant trade unionists and blokes in dresses who want to use the ladies bogs are too mutually exclusive to be satisfied by one party. That middle aged gammon Sir Rodney "Beer" Starmer will not be able to keep all these plates spinning.

Exactly this. Starmer is dishonest and duplicitous, and he has shifted Labour not to the centre, but to the centre-right. He simply does not deserve the support of progressive voters.

You'd trust Clown Corbyn?

But he and Raynor know how to bend the knee.

Left wing headbangers and cranks, maybe, but not ‘traditional Labour voters’, no.

I hope everyone will vote George .❤

​@@samanthagarbettcharles4205 Why he's not a real socialist he's an Islamist Antisemite

George is no socialist he's an Islamist Antisemite like much of today's left, I did quite like him until recently.

How are the grooming gangs doing in Rochdale these days?

@@ruthbashford3176 how about the elites grooming gangs ran by cia and mosaad I which Epstein got caught and then mysteriously killed under very strange circumstances better to look at that first

Many people voting in 2024 weren't even born when Blair became PM. Many voters don't even remember New Labour. ...And details of Kinnock's career is irrelevant in the context of the next election.

Have you not seen any of the polling? They are up by like 25 points since the conservatives are collapsing

I think you're right. Labour have alienated quite a few special interest groups plus voter ID will reduce turnout overall.

@@kyers9817 Yes it will reduce the turn out of those not eligible to vote, which is a good thing.

@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda 😂😂that as well

I hated Thatcher and the Tories but I wish she was back now

@@ruthbashford3176 I agree with the first part.👍

It may have been Thatcherism that put us in this mess in the first place, but The Tories abandoned Thatcherism a long time ago. David Cameron was probably the last Thatcherite prime minister, and I doubt even he really believed that Thatcherite policies could bring economic prosperity anymore. Thatcher would never for one second have entertained the idea of Brexit, let alone a hard one. She would also never have allowed such levels of open corruption. The current Tories are worse than Thatcherites. They work in the interests of oligarchs who thrive from looting the wreckage of failing economies. All that Russian money is donated to the Tories (and the Republican Party in the US) for a reason. It's from people who got unimaginably rich from the economic collapse of the Soviet Union and want similar opportunities from the collapse of Western economies.

@@harveybrant3352 I thought Thatcher said that Tony Blair was her heir apparent.

She certainly regarded him as her greatest achievement.

when he fell into the sea on camera

He got on the European gravy train

When he went to the barbers?

when he appeared live on spitting image

Don't be young, don't be be old, don't be sick, don't be poor Under Thatcher he got that 100% right .

He's extremely pragmatic

Starmer's approach to electioneering is a breath of political fresh air, it appears that he is measuring and calculating what priorities will be possible due to the current state of our broken economy and how best to help and lift the broken spirit of people across the Country. Far better that he gets all his manifesto ducks in a row before the election. He has obviously learned from the opposition not to dive in promising us all beer and skittles (and popcorn) He is hopefully remembering the five Ps. "Poor Preparation equals P*ss Poor Performance"

But his strategy is all over the place. Continuously changing your position on so many issues will only repel voters.

Heaven forbid a Labour head of the opposition should want to get into power.

Spoken like a true UK Billionaire Media owner@@jamesgriffithsmusic

Prefer the Tories who are well known for it eh?

I hope Labour do that in their second term. Too much urgent repair work to do in the first term.

@@jeremymanson1781 That was Blair's excuse too and it never happened in the second OR third term. And anyway, haven't Starmer and his cronies been saying that they won't be able to fix anything because there's no money to do so...?

@@thetragicyouth I agree the previous Labour government failed by not properly reforming the HoL. However they didn't pledge to abolish it. This time Labour are talking about replacing the HoL with an elected second chamber. More fool Labour if they bottle out!

Flags... Lotsa.. Lovely.. Flagsssss!!! He'll even GET AR KUNTERY BACK!

Without power, you achieve F all in politics. Starmer is right to appeal to people outside labour's core vote.

"Without Power" is something Mister Kinnock knows a LOT about @@pickledegg1989 ! Yet as a state owned ROBOT look at how HE was rewarded for 'achieving f all in politics'? Heaven forbid we get a DECENT guy who wants International Law and HUMAN RIGHTS, eh?

​@@pickledegg1989labour gave up on their core voters years ago.

Their core vote have no one ....but Labour. It is the middle ground who are disappointed by the Tories.

Or his bank balance. Or his wife's. Or his son's.

So does Farage

@@mattbooth307 The difference is Farage stopped any future British politician from doing the same. Kinnock did nothing.

@@Zooumberg I know. I don't mind Kinnock getting an EU pension but I honestly think Farage should've been stripped of his.

That's not correct.

Peas in a Pod @@mattbooth307 !

Thats Easy... THE NATIONAL ANTHEM! "God save the Ki-i-ing, he aint down a thi-i-ing" No policies, no BRAIN.. But all those lovely FLAGS...

Ron Jeremy's in the running

John Major isn't a Lord.

​@@wilsonfisk6626every day is a school day. I didn't know that he wasn't in the Lords. I expect that he is happy working for the think tanks and finds them more lucrative.

@@NPC-st7zv sounds more like Blair.

@@wilsonfisk6626 just what I thought when I read that he does charity and think tanks.

He’s awful but he’s right on this.

You're not going to get boring. You're going to get a traitor and council estate thickos.

Your,ll be voting for the same as what we have ,Starmer is Tory.

Starmer stands for Torries and Genoside .He,s a fake and a traitor

@@samanthagarbettcharles4205 To put it more accurately; Gunga Din and Rodney Starmer are both Blairites.

@@samanthagarbettcharles4205 I wonder if he stands for literacy.

And who helps us if the Tories get in again? Would you be happy about playing your part in that?

@@BillDavies-ej6ye Tory voters lack any empathy, until it effects them.

its called REALITY - if you KNOW the rescue mission aren't coming (or they are murderous slavering Zombies) you have to FACE that fact, and work out your escape strategy, @@BillDavies-ej6ye The Tories HAVE got in - to Labour! So, how do we play our part in becoming a Functional Democracy again? That is the question

BLESS YOU SIR!!!

Westminster has cut off funding to Wales and all the Labour councils around the country. Why are tories so duplicitous?

The Lib Dems need to demand PR as a condition of any agreement. Then they will have served their purpose. I think the Tory party could split, with the left joining the Lib Dems and the right defecting to Reform.

And surprising considering he suffered at the hands of the media as did J.C

- and based on dishonesty. Everyone should read the Forde Report.

Valid . JC is a terrible human

How so @@markwallwork8017 ?

That's why they had to take him down. Starmer will maintain the status quo and hand it back to Tories. We are stuffed.

Enjoy Tory Lite

and Michael ' working class ' Meacher. who lost a libel case to The Observer newspaper who claimed he was not working class.

"It aint where you're FROM its where you're AT" - Erik B Corbyn's pretty SOFT left compared to Wilson and many in the 60's and 70's - ever heard of the Overton Window? As our Uniparty politics is Defenestrated right now!

aye he was head boy alright

Margot Thatcher went to an all-girls grammar school, and John Major went to a grammar school (which turned into a comprehensive school in the late 60s) Jim Callaghan was working class and went to a grammar school (which, since the 70s, has been a comprehensive school) and couldn't afford to go to uni, so he went to the civil service.

It's certainly an improvement on the last leader who was a communist under another name .

​@@jonnobloggs8642is Scandinavia communist?

​@@dalek604 his Shadow Chancellor brandished Mao's Red Book, and his Shadow Home Secretary said Mao did more good than harm. These are HIS picks to be in cabinet if he won an election

His agenda was as Crazy as Liz Truss's on the right and would have had the same effect on the markets, the idea that they would bend over and give him just under a Trillion on a buy back spree is for the birds@@dalek604

The problem is it is the only way labour have a chance of winning a general election

Like brexit? That's going well isn't it? All those benefits.

Privatised insurance based NHS? No thanks.

Give us a break. One right wing freak show is enough thank you very much.

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Starmer has a 20% lead . Kinnock was less than 2% …..

No way 20% lead for 2 years against kinnock with a 2% lead in the run up to The 92 election

No.

@@stevehowell231 Agree 100%

"Yes.. YES! I BELIEVE it, and.. I WANT TO BOIL MY HEAD AGAIN!!!" - Steve Bell - 'If'

Blair looks more like 👹 every day

Don't you want a clamp down on illegal immigration or ID to vote?

Not likely as Reeves has already said taxes are already far too high. For me - those earning £40k or less should be paying less tax. However I am very happy for those earning over £150k to pay more.

We already have some of the lowest taxes in Europe, so this idea that "taxes have gone through the roof" is just anti-Labour propaganda straight out of the Mail and Express. It's taxes that pay for public services - cutting taxes in a country full of potholes where no one can find an NHS dentist and our public services are falling apart is utter lunacy.

@@thetragicyouth I agree the overall tax take is not exceptionnal. However the current set up is skewed towards disproportionately taxing low earners. It needs to be rebalanced.

I agree the tax take is disproportionately skewed to the poorest. Half VAT back to what it was in the 70’s and double the top rate to get public services including the NHS and state education, back to what they should be.

Starmer is not remotely interested in wokery etc..

Really? How come he doesn't know what a women is then? etc.@@jeremymanson1781

But he's not a complete screaming UNAPOLOGETIC Bigot is what @ellenoneill7853 means,

Never heard him called anything like that. Pompous wind bag, yes.

Losing.

Both ;) @@moomin7461 Loosing the dogs of Neoliberalism

Less money

@petegaslondon Haha! Good observation.

100%

Thatcher was lucky to have him as an opponent

@@julianshepherd2038 yes she was

@@julianshepherd2038 Major even more so. Kinnock flying around the country in a helicopter while Major got on his soap box and took on the hecklers.

⁠@@julianshepherd2038Thatcher could have hand picked her opponents: Foot, Galtieri, Scargill, Kinnock.

It's Labour strategists (including Mandelson) pushing these stories - they are worried that if the election result seems like a foregone conclusion and a huge Labour majority, then there will be no incentive for Labour-voters who hate Starmer to bother to vote. They are also worried about the number of votes they are losing to independent and Green candidates: not enough for independent candidates to win, but enough to ensure that Labour candidates lose.

Oh wow - thanks for that @@thetragicyouth THERE IS HOPE Keep fighting folks - the beast is DYING!

Completely agree and my memory is the same. I just had a sense that Labour back then were taking it for granted, even if Neil says that they weren't. As you rightly say also, their opponent (as bad as they seemed at the time) were nothing like as bad as this Tory mob. One thing that does make me slightly nervous however is the press. They helped to undermine the Labour campaign back then and in these fake news times, I worry about the tactics that the Tories will use, as they are so desperate now. Starmer needs to take the gloves off too, if they play that game.

Totally disagree, Stormer is even worse than Knock. Also Starmer look at propounded Labour Cabinet , they are a disaster.

@@brigittapayne6203 "they are a disaster" and what do we have at the moment? Honestly some people deserve the worst, if they can't see what is blindingly obvious.

I so hope you are correct. This current lot are a shambles. Fingers crossed.

Brig labour cabinet virtually unchanged Tory cabinet 47 people filling the top 8 posts last 4 years !!! Says it all

Labour have had a 20+ point lead for well over a year. What makes you think people will vote for a continuation of the disaster of the last fourteen years? I'm truly curious as to your reasons.

@@martinmurphy9679 I've been around long enough to had seen many many elections that never turned out as predicted by the polls although polls are getting much closer to reality these days. What many people say right now to vent their anger may not necessarily translate to the ballot box. I suspect there will be plenty foregoing the ballot box than voting for Labour which is the bulk of my reasoning. Problem with Labour is perception and up to now there isn't any coherent policies that we can digest and ponder over. The strategy of not upsetting the applecart can only go so far but once the real meat is on the bone, well, it will depend.

That would be the ideal outcome - the Tories gone, but Starmer forced to rely on the support of smaller parties who would force Labour to be more radical and less c/Conservative than they currently intend.

Labours already lost control in Newham for that very reason! Its easily forgotten buyt theres still a BIT of functional Democracy - people Do still have to VOTE for you to lead the country - THERE IS HOPE! #StarmerOut

Concentrate on learning to spell and leave the political forecasting to the professionals. When you say, "It will be very unlikely," does that mean that it's not very unlikely at the present time? A full stop goes after the last word of a sentence, not the penultimate word. Your grasp of English grammar is woeful.

​@@gio-oz8gfThat's what education under the Tories for fourteen years gives you. They have the hard neck to criticise the Scots for failings in their schools.

I typed it on my phone and you need to get over yourself. It will be very unlikely because they are coming from so few MPs, the electoral boundary changes favour the Tories, the rightwing media hasn't started scrutinising and attacking Labour yet and Keir Starmer is nowhere near as popular as he ought to be at this point in the election cycle. He might make Labour the biggest party if he plays his cards right but chance of a majority let alone a big one is just low.

Leading??? Has Corbyn come on? ;)

You mean, not like you would want them to.

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= 'Our Democracy would be WONDERFUL.. If it weren't for all those VOTERS!'

Don't worry, the Left have all gone. Labour is a Tory tribute act. Enjoy.

We don't have an honest opposition though. Starmer and his cronies are as dishonest as any Tory - and their politics are as rightwing as any Tory.

"there are no simple, quick, answers to difficult problems" - all the more reason we should avoid proven liars; 2+2=5 Politics benefit NO-one - save the ULTRA-rich! Interesting you call the Chicken Coup Plotters, the Labour right "starry eyed idealists" for pushing the self destruct button LAST time - not quite the term i'd use, but hey..