Why Nightwing VS Red Hood Isn't Even Close! 

Bruce didn't "get to him first" it was entirely by coincidence. Haley's Circus was going to groom Dick to become a Talon because the entire Grayson family lineage is made up of Talons. Bruce adopting Dick was purely happenstance.

Yeah that doesn't really say anything about his skills cause they were going to train him

​@redhoodie4111 to be more specific they were going to groom him into being an immortal assassin.

Yeah me too man, but I think it did end up having a decent twist towards the end of the injustice comics

I think one of the authors / directors of the comics / game said something along the lines of he needed to die or else the events that followed just straight up wouldn’t happen because of his presence and communication skills, or something along those lines

@@natesalden168 yeah I think it makes for a great storyline, I think Damian knowing what Nightwing was really capable of adds to the shock of him actually causing Nightwing to die.

Writers Hoed Night Wing for nothing it’s nihilistic comedy

I'm sure it scratched his head pretty well too

He's also led the Justice League on multiple different occasions. He was the leader of the backup League during Obsidian Age over veterans like Green Arrow and Hawkgirl.

I keep saying it, DC's "human" heroes are indeed still superheroes. DC has that anime "if you train hard enough you can become superhuman" thing, it's just to a lesser extent of the actual metahumans.

@@spikem5950adding on to that, pitting DC “humans” to other media superhuman is sometimes just unfair like Nightwing vs My Hero 😂

@@cartoonz7132 Night Wing would fucking wreck anyone but All Might and the main villain dude from My Hero. Just two completely different power levels the two settings operate in.

@@spikem5950i don’t even like mha and ik this is cap

​@@spikem5950yeah this is straight up bs. There are broken quirks in mha that will stop Nightwing instantly. Even season 1 nomu would be an overkill for him lol

Jason has also beaten him/or had the edge a few times

@@newhybrid101 True but tbh both held back on eachother in most fights. So using previous victories like Dick beating Jason or Jason defeating Nightwing can't be used as actual evidence for who would win. As alot of people take offense to that and end up saying "he held back tho" And sometimes comic writers f*ck up their own powerscaling and choose that the other guy wins when they feel like it.

@@newhybrid101only when nightwing was holding back without the intention of fighting him, or injured from before

​@newhybrid101 that was when nightwing was cut off guard and holding back alot. Red hood meat rider

@@YujiItadoriisHIMcaught off guard? LOL HE WAS BLITZED. The times Red Hood beat Nightwing was in cases where Nightwing was going to die. Bro was handling members of the Bat-Fam including Nightwing.

Jason todd is only known for being beat up by joker lol 😂😮😊

Not even close,you are just biased cause he is "nicer" as a person. Nightwing isnt Bruces successor,he is his own man. He is the original of his kind and someone else will be Nightwings successor. He isnt like Bruce in any way. All fans are biased towards Nightwing but in pretty much all possible futures we have seen he is irrelevant,he either dies early or retires early and chills with a family he creates. Even Future Tim said that. DC has showed fans time and time again that Damian is Bruces successor,they literally said in Dark Crisis that he becomes Batman in pretty much all possibilities in the future. And indeed in most future elseworlds stories he is Bruces successor. All this talk about Nightwing is NPC talk,he is just nice and likable but that doesn't mean much. The only time Nightwing was Bruces successor was in Golden Age Earth 2 cause Damian and Terry werent a thing. Just because he is one of Bruces sons,the second most beloved(yes Injustice isnt accurate big surprise),doesnt mean he is his successor. To say he is "Batmans successor" completely ruins Nightwings character arc, ironically it means you arent much of a fan of him. Bruces true successor? Who was the Batman who saved the universe in DCSEASED(Earth 55)? Potentially even multiverse if the virus invaded other dimensions Which Batman sacrificed his life at age 17 to save everyone? The real answer is Damian and Terry, two sides of Batman. One is the closest approximation to Bruces Batman and the other is a different kind of Batman.

​@@newhybrid101Bro wrote an entire novel 😂

⁠@@newhybrid101bro what???!!! Have u read the battle for the cowl? Or any comic. Bruce Wayne himself said if he was to die. Nightwing would take up the mantle.

​@@erikrousu😂😂

Batman beyond vs night wing

​@@MasculineSpacetbh Terry is kinda....weak.

So? Its a 10 year old kid against better trained adults. Put adult Damian he destroys both of them.

Respectfully would have to disagree but wouldnt red hood and nightwing still have more experience by the time damian grows up (injustice nightwing was bs that dont count)​@huntertezz

@@InvisibleMan849 experience isn't everything. Damian has alot if talent and is only held back by his young age. (No one counts injustice Damian he sucks) We have seen more adult Damian like the one in Beyond who was stated to be better than prime Bruce and was destroying Terry. Also most versions of Damian gain magic when they are adults.

That’s fair, Nightwing being the most skilled, and having the best leadership qualities. Red Hood being the strongest/brute force rage filled. Red Robin having the best detective skills, and Damien being the best naturally gifted being the actual son of Bruce Wayne.

Michaelangelo is the most skilled turtle and most potential

Depends on which Damien. Because comic Damien ain't that funny. Actually i always saw Damien more as a Leonardo because they both use blades and both are serious. While Nightwing i saw as Michaelangelo as the jokester of the four.

@@Gamer_Wolf. I think your missing their point

​@@chalkdemon8019 problem is Jason isn't stronger than Grayson.

Edges?

highest potential would be Damian.

No, Jason does not have the highest potential. Dick does. Dick was scouted to become a Talon in the Court of Owls. He was also asked to join the Justice League as an equal by Wonder Woman because she believed he had the potential to surpass ALL OF THEM. He was also trained by Superman to such a degree that in some stats he is actually just beyond peak human now. Jason does have a better instinct for when he is in danger than the other Robins. Jason was looked at by the Court and deemed not worthy because he lacks inherent talent. Yes, the Owls looked at every single one of the Robins and even both of the Batgirls. What, you didn't know there was a Batgirl that wasn't Barbara? Strength wise? They are actually almost even, shockingly enough. Jason is built more like a lifter, Dick is built more like a swordsman. A swordsman's muscles are tighter than a lifters. This makes them more compact while being just as strong. Jason absolutely has more resilience. However their will is even. Dick went through a LOT of crap. Jason went through the pit but how one ends up is always completely up to the writers. If we actually went with the proper original lore of the pit, anyone revived using it is stripped of their morality completely and will NEVER regain it. That is it, the only negative to using it. No one would go mad, or shift their personality to something opposite like we see in various places. Anything that isn't the simple removal of morality is the writer getting it wrong. Thus, ignore the pit entirely.

Jason doesn't have the most varied training. Everyone forgets Dick was with the Titans for years 24/7. Dick knows Amazonian, Atlantean, Tamaranean martial arts as well. He also went with Batman during the 52 year after Infinite Crisis when Batman redid all his old training. Dick has all of Batman's training and much much more. He also has circus training since he was a baby. Plus, training only goes so far. Dick is THE best athlete on the planet, too. He's a physical freak, a prodigy. Pick a sport, and he'd probably be the best in the world at it. He is able to utilize that training better.

@@huntertezz Potential doesn't mean anything if is isn't utilized... I mean.. look at Dragon ball's use of Gohan.... Unlimited Potential... and they just never utilized him properly to take the place that even the Creator wanted him to take. Cell Saga was ment to be Gohan's step forward but studio wanted Goku.. even when they could of did it in GT.. what did we get... Goku being turned into a kid to Dragon Ball again with Z and GT upgrades and now it's not even Canon. Damian has Potential.. but if they don't dev and work his character right... he'll become a Gohan or worse... they can over correct and make him a Mary Stu... and no one wants that

Sokka in the Yakone flashback has to be OP,obviously would destroy his ATLA self

​@@newhybrid101but sokka is a bender, so he doesnt count. He bends his boomerang in the air

Imo. Ty Lee in a sense is def one of them, since she was able to chi block almost all the benders upto someone as skilled and powerful as Paula, albeit catching her off guard. Bit did succeed against people like katara. The equaliser with the twin electric batons, he was successful on taking on a few high level benders. Rock Lee is alright too I guess

Nope just Nightwing. Bruce even says that. Meanwhile Batman was never meant to be a killer which Jason is. However i would say that Jason is close to Bruce in terms of a fight. But Red hood is never what Batman was meant to be.

@@Gamer_Wolf. yes Batman is not meant to be a killer however even Bruce would and should admit some people deserve to die. Dick is the clear version of Batman is meant to be , Jason is willing to do what Bruce won’t when the world needs it.

@@Mike-fc9bxno batman is meant to be like bruce, 100% dedicated and torturing himself to make sure hes 100% dedicated, all things dick just wouldn't do, batman doesn't want dick to be batman because he is better than that mantle, he's beyond it, dick is nightwing, jason is redhood batman's successor is terry mcguiness

@@Mike-fc9bx No, not by being murdered. Batman’s ideology is to try and save everyone, even the ones that don’t deserve it.

I also just started reading red hood comics, I wanted to comment the same thing but looks like you already beat me to it lol

The entire family was holding back more than Red Hood which he pointed out and Grayson even said he was lying about holding back too, so did Cassandra Cain. He only beat Shiva cause Shiva taught him a technique to take people like her down and it didn't work on Bronze Tiger. Jason has never defeated Cassandra in a fair fight EVER 💀 bruh stop meat riding him , he probably scales at Tim Drakes level currently or slightly above since he's willing to hurt him more.

​@@user-lp8im7ow8sYou haven't read any Red Hood comics have you? Jason is easily on the same level as Dick, they're is a reason they were the originals, He is one the only people to beat and outsmart Batman in their first fight. He outsmarted and broke the grip of Supergirl with the venom drug He beat Deathstroke and an upgraded Ras Al Ghul, two people said to be on the same level as the Batman himself. Knocked Lobo out with a crowbar. Tanked a missile shot at submarine underwater which he punched a whole through. Cut off a massive dinosaur's head with the All Blades, Kicked the door off a plane going over 500 mph, Lighting quick reaction speed and agility dodging a bullet point blank, Fought and dodged attacks from Artemis, As Robin dodged gunfire from highly experienced mobsters, Beat freeze and Nightwing to a stale mate. Stabbed Onyx before she could even notice, Broke into Titans tower beat every member without being noticed only by Tim Drake which he beat easily, Tanked hits from Bizarro, Ravager, Artemis, and Frankenstein, Sensed ships that were cloaked, Blitzed and beat a team of trained SWAT officers with practically nothing, Survived a ritual that no human has survived in a thousand years, Shot through Deathstrokes armor, which was said to be bulletproof, and straight through his arm, Beat the All Caste with help from Artemis and Arsenal, Cut a couple arrows in half with knife as they were shot at him from Speedy, trained by Oliver Queen Hit Green Arrow as he was watching him, before he could react, a guy that has split second reaction speed, Blitzed and beat a group of shooters before they could get a shot off. Is that enough? There is no way in hell that Jason, especially venomed Jason is on the level of Time Drake, who he has beaten senseless multiple times and actually killed in Battle for the Cowl. He is at least on Nightwing's level if you take his fears at face value, maybe even more, he has beaten him and Batman to a stalemate multiple different times, all with different tactics.

And he survived a nuke blast that’s super human level

​@@BlackjackHG21 You should put this as a comment not only an answer People love nightwing blindy, not only for being the first robin, but because hes a mix, between Superman and Batman, because he is the representation of hope and is super hearted , and a member of The bat family with dark origin Even if tomorrow redhood wipes the floor with him with good writting and explanation, nobody will change its mind, thats the truth, its just a more loved character and famous one

How about I thank you now, kind stranger?

Yeah dan didn’t really explain why nightwing wins at all. But we all know nightwing would win any fight with jason anyway

Thank you this video does not need to be thus this long

​@@NormanOsbornMSFI think most people would think it would atleat be a close fight

@@dragowolf268 it actually is a close fight tbh

I'm a Jason Todd fan but I haven't been able to keep up with the comics but that's awesome to know about

Well of course it wasn't, that would go against the point of the video. Jason Todd is an absolute monster when it comes to fighting, and inconsistent writing is the only reason videos like this one are made. Jason would body Dick in a straight up fight, but because Dick is able to get under Jason's skin and he's more acrobatic/faster than Jason he would get the upper hand.

Because Dick is a better fighter anyways. He is faster, smarter and much more agile. There's no reason to include that.

@@heltongomez8865, Nightwing is more agile. I will give you that. But he is not faster than Red Hood. Nightwing definitely isn't the better fighter. He's an incredible fighter to be sure, and I love his character, but Jason was literally trained to be the best. Their power scales don't really compare. Red Hood is absolutely able to tank incredible punishment and still move forward. He also heals rapidly, though that may be a byproduct of his exposure to the Lazarus Pit. And let's not forget that when Batman feels the need to subdue Red Hood, he sends the ENTIRETY of the Bat family, including Cassandra Cain to do so and they never even get what the want. He always achieves his objective in spite of the attack. If Grayson could handle him alone then he's all that would be needed. He's never been enough to get it done. He can't get it done alone and Batman knows this, hence sending the entire family after Red Hood. Again, I'm a huge fan of Nightwing. I view him as the ideal version of goodness, power and strength. But in the case of who the most powerful fighter is, it is absolutely Jason. He just is.

You typed all of this glaze but bro couldn’t even handle the joker😂

Not really, Nightwing doesn’t have a single reason to lose to Red Hood

@@papabroke7567 Except that he's lost to him before, which sounds like a pretty good one to me. As an aside DanCo seemed to miss this but Jason does in fact straight up have superpowers; his physicality was improved dramatically after he was revived by the Lazarus pit. In the New 52 continuity he was straight up able to rip his hand out of Supergirl's grasp, he is muuuch stronger than Dick. If you want to use the equipment he gets from the new 52 or Rebirth runs of Red Hood and the Outlaws then he also has access to an enormous arsenal of sci-fi alien weapons, extremely advanced and durable armour and a personal cloaking device. He has up and *defeated* deathsroke in a one on one fight which is not something I could ever see Dick doing alone seeing as how Slade gives all of the Teen Titans combined a hard time. Dick is one of those characters the writers are very inconsistent with power scaling-wise; some like to give him a massive hand job and say he's better than Batman, others sideline him and have him get mirked by low tier characters. I'm not even saying he'd necessarily lose, just that Red Hood would give him the fight of his life and that an author could absolutely have it go either way.

you can't

Nightwing is better than Red Hood. There is no argument.

@@papabroke7567 depends, on a even fight yeah dick wins but he also isn't willing to fight dirty like Jason which if Jason does then he can beat Dick just not fairly

Hol on now😂😂

Plot armor vs Family power

Bru yea that one time any other time Batman schooled him just like everyone else man is the world greatest hand to hand combatant and he don’t even need super soldier serum unlike others with no powers he don’t need that to be the best 😂

@@JavonJennings-ql3sz first of all slade was a top tier hand to hand fighter before the serum so what are you talking about

@@JavonJennings-ql3sz There are multiple examples of the two fighting where Batman wins and multiple examples where Deathstroke wins. Stop cherry picking. Every character has their own strengths and weaknesses that can be exploited, and there's always an element of unpredictability in a fight.

@@spikem5950 Plot armour bro and you know ther no way batman beatting a super soldier reguardless of training or experience.

@@thunderlion6909 In a spontaneous fight, yes, Deathstroke wins nine times out of ten realistically. If Slade can plan and Bruce is caught by surprise, I see no way Bruce can win. If Bruce can plan but Slade can't, I'd put it at 8/10 on Batman's side. If they've both planned for it, it's probably a 6.5-7/10 on Slade's side. But there's still that chance. NO fight's outcome is guaranteed.

his character in under the red hood is just so sick

Fax

You gotta use all the versions dog

If your using other versions, then superwing kills redhood in one punch

​​@@HarambeMan Jason isn't stupid. He can totally figure out that he need kryptonite bullets.

Dude, you're mostly right but even in canon, as in main universe, Jason has beaten both Dick and Bruce multiple times. Jason is a trained killer, he's a goddamn assassin, I never understand how people think the guy who kills on a regular basis, doesn't hold back and uses actual effective weaponry would lose to the guy with two sticks and no killer instinct. I get that most comic readers are nerds, not fighters or soldiers or even anyone who's ever been in a real fight but c'mon use your brains, the trained killer is not losing to guy who only knows how to fight. Comicbook nonsense makes these fighters seem like they can take on a squad of armed men armed to the teeth and win, if comics weren't written by morons, both Batman and Nightwing would be dead by now, especially with how they operate: which is refusing to use actual weapons, instead charging into battle with toys and blackbelt bullshit, like pretending to be Bruce Lee makes you bulletproof.

​@@HarambeMan I think you mean ChickenWING is gonna get barbecued with Bullets by KING HOOD 😂

What alternate reality Red Hood is that?

@@StunningSilken I don’t remember it’s been awhile. But I also remember somewhere that Batman said something along those lines too. Jason’s weakness is always his emotions

@@OliversOil Thanks for the output.

@@OliversOil I just checked it out, now. Good read.

The question aint who wins But how long untill they destroy the universe

Sentry Martian Manhunter probably GR Black Adam close victory Blue Marvel

@@JuanLegendre-ey9ty its 2 teams haha

DC team annihilates lmao.

@@volcanicmonstrosity if you a dc fanboy you think like that, its a close fight wtf

Batman vs katakuri is a mismatch. Naruto vs cap America is a mismatch also

Batman vs Katakuri is insane 💀 I love Batman he’s the absolute goat but katakuri wouldn’t even need haki not his devil fruit powers to beat him Base Batman is losing

Think it depends on Naruto's age when fighting Captain America as I think 12 years old Naruto would lose where as Hagaki (unsure of spelling) Naruto would wreck Captain America.

Either way Batman is the worlds hand to hand combatant you really think he going to beat his sons ofc he going to hold back against them no matter what

Yes, please!

It really is honestly

It really is honestly

It has never been close. People assume that because Jason injects himself with Venom, and he was able to get out of a restrained Supergirl's grip, that it has always been close. Supergirl wasn't even trying when that happened. Nightwing is what happens if Bruce never lost his parents.

@@StunningSilken keep crying jason is just stronger, punching a whole through a sinking submarine , coming out of death and surviving nuke is is wayy better strength , endurance feet than anythin clown wing ever did

@@StunningSilken Yes, Jason has been trained by Batman, as well as the people who trained Batman, as well as other masters and assassin's who are the best in their fields. Most notably, he has also been trained by Bronze Tiger as well as Lady Shiva, noted as being two of the greatest Martial Artists on earth and BOTH of them have stated that Red Hood was their greatest student. No one else boasts that claim. As far as Cassandra Cain is concerned, when Red Hood was able to get the better of her, this is significant because Cassie has always been known as the deadlier fighter between herself and Batman with Batman himself saying he couldn't take her in a fair fight. Oh, and lets not forget that Jason has been heavily trained by the All Caste. These things matter. And Jason does hold back a lot, especially when it comes to fighting his family. But the greatest moment, to me anyway, was during the Event Leviathan saga when Batman and the "Detectives" approached him in Ep. 3 of the series. This is a line-up that includes Green Arrow, Plastic Man, Manhunter, The Question, Batman, Damien Wayne's Robin and Lois Lane. The battle that happened there was epic. This meeting turned into a battle. A battle in which Jason wiped the floor with them. WIPED THE FLOOR with them. He even had time to talk to Lois after the fight she witnessed. Jason kicks their a$$es then casually walks away from Lois after she asks him a couple of questions. Just casually walks away like it was another Tuesday. He was disappointed that others may have believed he was Leviathan. The look on his face, the skill he displayed in that fight, conveyed that he was done playing around. He was calm and collected which made that fight even better. He wasn't holding back this time and it showed. After getting their a$$es handed to them, Damien states out loud to everyone present that "Jason Todd is one of the great master fighters of all time,” and Batman doesn't argue. This should've been included in this video, but it wasn't.

Why? Star is (with Barbara) the main girl involved with Dick. I doubt that Jason cares in any shape or form for her, the moment that kind of linked them was only one of the many horrific decision the New 52 had. I can see them fighting for the Batman mantel, but we all know the outcome of that.

@@Shohoku00actually Jason always had a major crush on Babs when he was Robin and Dick’s mistreatment of her contributed to a lot of J’s early resentment towards him

@@ericlayton8888 I can see them clash due to that, I agree. OG comment was talking about Starfire though

Jason didn't get the full Batman training. And we don't really know how All Castle compares to Batman. And also Nightwing had a lifetime of Court of Owls training on top of what he got Batman and various other masters he trained

@@huntertezz he did get enough Batman training that he could beat every member of the league of shadow and could predict every one of Batmans moves. So i would say a lot of Batman training and it wasent even good enough to touch a member of the all caste.

He got some Part of the batman training and defeated the all caste leader about, at least, 20 years after their prime. Not that much impressive. Also, the training is just part of the process, the person whos training are as important. Nightwing born training acrobatics with the flying graysons, dude just born to move. Jason was more forced to it than anything else.

@@NUCLEARDASH again with the Batman training he could predict every move and attack Batman made years later so it wasent just a "part" of training. Also not being able to land a punch on all caste with Batman training which was also enough to beat many League of shadow members to defeat the all caste definitely shows that this training is important.

@@rodyvanhulst Maybe if he got the full bat training Jason would have beaten the ones from all castle. Like none of those guys are even in the top 10 of fighters in dc. Also beating league of assassin members is nothing big in the grand scheme of things. Even Barbara has beaten them in her wheelchair. Anyone with atleast the minimum bat training should be able to do that unless they hire Lady Shiva.

Dude, that temper nonsense is just writers giving Bruce or Dick a easy win, a mean c'mon, Jason is a trained assassin, when be first showed up as Red Hood he didn't have a problem controlling his anger or let it blind him in a fight. This is just the ony way these idiots can justify letting the trained assassin with guns lose to the guy with sticks. Don't fall for it.

Jason doesn't have temper issues. Dick just beats him because he is a better fighter.

Strength basically means nothing when Dick fights Slade a superhuman like what.... every other week or something?

Extra Notes: Both have beat the shit out of Damian Wayne.

Batman recruited him as a sidekick. Tim was the only one recruited as a partner