Why Nintendo REALLY Hates Smash Bros 

Losing.

Playing with my brother on the Wii probably

Me my bro and cousins getting demolished by my bros pit smash ball attack on one of brawls custom stages. Shit was hell to dodge but fun.

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Seeing high tier play with Melee for the first time at a LAN center in the summer of 2002. It blew my mind how far the rabbit hole went and made some good friends that summer.

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Kek

I mean you're not wrong

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Like that would happen. They would have to admit they are wrong. And the smash community can’t do that

they spported a pedo

@@lunar3055egotistical people are rampant in the community.

its not really how you play the game, it has those options for a reason,. its about the type of community that eventually grows around that way to play. you can play very seriously with tournament rules in your house or with your friends and be completely fine,. but once people congregate in large numbers and made their events/gatherings public it starts to create a public image around the game, and thats what they're really after.

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Glad to hear you enjoyed the video! Super disappointed about the panda cup situation as well :/

It's already become one of my favorites. I really hope that this channel won't "rest on its laurels" after gaining some popularity as I've seen with other channels. As long as the quality remains the same, I wouldn't mind rewatching these if I got bored.

fuck panda cup and fuck anyone who supports them. 🙂

Not really... the upper management could have said "We will take no position yea or nay on Smash Bros. tournaments!" and the problem would have been solved.

@Christopher Kidwell That's just not how things work. It would potentially eat into their bottom line. They have shareholders. Ip protection is legally required of them anyways. They might be a bit extreme but it helps keep their profits up. I think Nintendo is totally reasonable, and I think pirates are totally in the right too. Both can be true.

@@cheeeeezewizzz Not to mention Nintendo as a company has some early-childhood trauma from being ruthlessly sued by MGM over their first Donkey Kong arcade cabinet game. (i.e. "waah they used King Kong without permission") And that same lawsuit clarified the IP law in a way that could potentially bite themselves in the ass now that they've become that very same giant with half a dozen of the world's most lucrative media franchises.

Its literally a waiting game for a bunch of old senior management people to die.

The only problem is, this is not " the smash community" this is the online American centric smash community that is famous not for skill in a game where skill is dumb, but for being the original example of the incel gaming community, and nobody wants to support that.

Especially with how many of the pro players keep getting involved with underage minors

@@dunkyking6310 fr. Nintendo already has a very litigious and "stay out of public scrutiny" disposition, add a community with a questionable rep and its no wonder Nintendo wants nothing to do with us. Im an avid FGC fan and no other community is involved in as much drama and straight up criminal behavior than Smash. Its no wonder they wanted Panda to function as tard wranglers for the community.

​@@Hemestal When SWT Finals got cancelled, I saw multiple videos straight up celebrating it as a 'fuck you' to the Smash community. While I do outright disagree with them, I see where they're coming from.

This is legit the exact reason why I stopped going around the FGC years ago. I love the games but then yeah there's that part.

Can you blame them?

I know. I hate competitive players. They act like if they own the game. It's their rules and their comfirt zone: three lives, no items, no hazards, not what makes Super Smash Bros. different from the other fighting games. And if you dare to ask for different settings you're a lesser race casual player. And if you manage to pull a series of victories while following their rules you're either a spammer or your char is OP, or both. And things are going even worse if you chat with them outside the game. They are all like:"Me think this characte should be in the game!" without offering any valid argument besides "because me like it" And you're like:"THESE are the kids I'm losing to?"

It's honestly a detriment in my experience. I stopped playing Ultimate going on two years now because I got caught in the limbo where I wasn't good enough to play at a high level competitively but too good to enjoy playing casually. Add on top of that how I don't really have local friends to play with anymore and you have a unfun combo

@@Rman1228 You can always still play the game by yourself. I still play the game solo every so often.

@@Rman1228 You don’t have to quit, you can always revisit Smash Bros Ultimate anytime you want on your own.

@@benmalsky9834 very true! I still pop the game in to test controllers so maybe I can come back in every once and awhile

​@@Rman1228 Omg bro!!! Same here! Im also stuck between rock and a hard place, so i understand. Too good for casual and too trash for competitive. No people to play locally with let alone someone with the same level of skill. Its impossible. So i figured, that i can play the game offline against lv.9's. But even that has lost its novelty. Half the time cpu do nothing but spam and i instantly dont feel like playing again as thats boring af.

I see this as an absolute win

The rare blessed Monkey's Paw.

Reverse monkey paw lol

Wait. That doesn't make any sense. You say Smash is too complex, but then you ponder the idea of booting up Tekken? Dude, Tekken is far more advanced than any Smash game ever made! Smash is literally designed to be easier to understand than other fighting games!

@@jakescartoons6045 i don't own a switch. Plus they have a ton of experience since they've unlocked every character. I haven't played smash since the N64 days and none of it feels familiar. They were wrecking me. The Tekken thing is a joke. Implying that I was getting tired of getting whooped. Also these kids were researching combos while I was barely getting the movement mechanics down. This video is discussing how Nintendo likes to make video games easy to pick up and enjoy with all skill sets in mind. I'm agreeing with them that smash bros does not fit that mold and I understand why they don't want to appeal to the competitive players. It can isolate a lot of players from wanting to try it.

But those games are meant to be competitive. That's the difference. Also Nintendo doesn't host Pokémon tournaments. The Pokémon Company (partly owned by Nintendo) does, there is a difference.

@@SanderEvers pokemon co is nintendo

@@bilis2866 Only for about 33%, others are GameFreak and Creatures, Inc.

@@SanderEvers all of them are nintendo

@@bilis2866 Except not. GameFreak and Creatures Inc are not owned by Nintendo.

Yeah some of the things a few Smash players were found doing are not just "minor oopsies" at all, and I'm sure Nintendo has definitely caught wind of such things. Has to be a factor in their business decisions.

At least he got the minor part right lmao

It didn't fit with his thesis, so he needed to downplay it. Despite it being the most likely culprit.

It was pretty much an open secret that the pro Smash community was full of pedos. I believe it's the same with the speed running community.

​@@rorbot_SMFthe thing is I bet Nintendo knew of this kind of shit before it all blew up in the competitive scenes face. Its not like all this stuff came out of nowhere and Nintendo just figured out about it with everyone else. These skeletons in the closet had existed for a long time, and anyone even semi regular in the Smash scene could see this kind of community was not safe for minors in general. The way lax attitude with adults drinking and gambling around minors and going to hotel rooms alone with each other or sleeping in hotel rooms together, underage girls and older men didn't matter and it was all normal. And if you said anything about how fucking strange it all was back then you were the one labeled a creep and a weirdo as these grown dudes were getting 15 yr old girls drunk and finger blasting them behind closed doors. I fucking hated the Smash community and knew that shit was gonna blow up in their face eventually and I'm sure Nintendo went to a few tourneys undercover and saw the same kinda shit I saw too. Its not like they were trying to hide it back then BTW, this was all out in the public but back then there was no MeToo movement for dumb underage girls to victimize themselves with after putting themselves in the worst situations imagineable with dudes who barely ever talked to girls.

For the love of God, "SAKURAI". 🤬How can you misspell the name of that legend so badly?!

@@christianleon7311 shut up bro my auto correct kept changing it I rewrote my sentence like 7 times

ironically, multiversus has the opposite problem of smash where the game is built off nothing but competitive without any other gamemodes (arcade, more party options, etc). Where as smash bros has a lot of options for casual play with a ton of game modes but nintendo actively shuts down or hinders any competitive modes

@@MisterSkullium Yeah I agree

Except that's not really the problem smash has it was never designed to be a competitive game in order for it to compete with smash you would have to make the same type of game

@@MisterSkullium Fighting games can't survive just being designed to appease the competitive scene, even a traditional fighting game series like Street Fighter needs additional content like arcade/minigames/story mode ect. to maintain being profitable. However it seems like Multiversus is less about trying to compete with Smash and more so with other free to play games like League of Legends considering its free to play too (also explains the lack of content).

Isn't it weird he may have tried to not get that brought up?

After a year, the reason is really just jealousy towards Panda Global and the insistence of the OG organizers that wanted things to stay grassroots.

"overall analysis is just excellent" Except the basic understanding of numbers. At 1 minutes he talks about "the two most competitive of the smash titles have performed better in sales than their less competitive counterparts" Where it literally shows that Smash Brawl and Smash 3DS outsold Melee. Brawl the game everyone hates on is the 2nd best selling smash game.

i do think it's extremely funny that the meme of fox only final destination is taken as fact when solo fox has never been ranked #1 in the world and the real dominant force at tournaments has generally been marth with the occasional puff, peach, or falco. like fox is a super popular character because he's fast, strong, and generally fun to play but he doesn't really win tournaments more often than other characters, especially not by himself. heck, even the current stage list is basically as anti-fox as it can possibly be, we banned iconic stages like temple because a slower character literally cannot do anything against a fox running away and shooting lasers.

despite it being a common saying, this has NEVER been a thing. people have never been forced to pick a specific character, and FD is just one of the stages allowed.

@@connorkillmice do you ever think about the fact that rainbow cruise was just a legal stage before

They aren't control focused. They're focused on rightful sales/bad rep/emulators. Almost all of the mods for newer games are on emulators, which really harm sales. Nintendo was very worried that the actions of the Smash community would rub off on them. The reason they were worried? A representative was sent to a contest and almost fainted from the smell of the people around them.

YES YES YES someone finally finally really talking about the pride issue! It's a issue all over japan in anything there!

@@TeamRocketHQR It's actually because Japan has a very colorful history and have pride in their creations. It's a huge culture gap that trying to turn Japan into America is affecting.

​@@danielthecake8617no Japan is insanely racist they used to be muderously so.

Only reasons Sega is super cool with molders and roms and stuff is because they have to be. Sega is like a desperate man who will do anything no matter how demeaning or wrong it is just to keep the lights on.

I don't think you even need to do that because the "fun" features in brawl were literally just restrictive of skill based play. You can always add items into the game which adds a luck element and makes it more of a party game vs a fighting game

That first sentence is literally how the game is designed. That's the reason why a competitive ruleset can exist at all.

Melee just is a competitive game and they should embrace that. Damage is already done.

@@bobveltman Why should they? Nintendo's entire brand is "games anyone can play" and while Melee is excellent as a competitive game, you're lying to yourself if you think there isn't a latent elitism to the scene.

@@bobveltman Why? Its their game, they can direct it as they see fit. Players and the community can't take that ownership away and change the narrative. Nintendo made the game with a goal of a game for everyone. They believe they made a mistake with Melee, and literally made sure all future games didnt repeat that mistake.

Fully agreeed

@@smokyprogg what do you mean by latent elitism? Also it’s one thing to not endorse the community and their take on Smash as a fighting game, if they don’t want to it’s their right. But what Nintendo does is actively hurting the scene and at this point most smash players just wants to be left alone without worrying that their tournament will get banned for some arbitrary reason.

Indeed

If that's the case then why is Sega ok with fan games, fan mods?

@@crystalbry4741 well SEGA allows it for Sonic because they are corrupt and only care about Sonic as a public figure. They take down fan projects for their other games.

@@thomasffrench3639 doesn't sega of Japan take down games? Not sega of America. Because i haven't heard about sega taking down games that were made by fans at least the American company.

Most is crazy

Except they were already doing this crap way before any of that was found out. But please, keep consuming the Twitter narrative, drone.

that's why I completely understand Nintendo behavior because the smash community is changing the image of the game for the worse, they want their game to be seen as a family game because it touches more people if it's seen as a fighting game then its market becomes really niche and an image of technicity is added to it (I never played Tekken or SF because of that and because of the community) moreover it indeed attracted a toxic community riddled with scandals and that is not good for business either.

Yeah, but even in that context, grandpa is probably going to get absolutely flattened if anybody else has even a little more experience than the presumably extremely little experience and overall gaming skill he has. This isn't based on assumptions, but my own direct experience with playing Smash Bros with family, spanning the original Smash 64 all the way to Ultimate. None of the entries have EVER been games "anybody can win," and you don't have to be tournament level skill to absolutely shutout someone who doesn't game much. The tourney scene isn't corrupting what Smash is about, the games were already "corrupted" with the potential for differing skill to present an overwhelming barrier from the beginning. Nintendo's just trying to reject its own shadow here, and getting appropriate results.

@@Alloveck I didn't say it's a game "anyone can win", I never said that so I really don't know why it's in quotation marks. I suggested it's a game anyone can play and enjoy together, which it is. Their goal is mass appeal

You can meet up with everyone their and pay games... there's a difference between that and commercialization of their intellectual property...

@@BodieB "Commercialization" Oh yeah buddy, the Smash competitive community is totally known for its big money.

@@mechadeka The amount of money made doesn't change the fact that tournaments are commercialized.

and community supprots pedos

@@albertwesker4729 they kicked them out as fast as possible stop spreading misinformation because "WAHHH I GOT MY ASS KICKED SHUT IT DOWN SHUT IT DOWN!!!!!!"

Calling competitive smash boring is just delusion

thats not competitive then lol

final destination is not even one of the most common stages lmao

blud has never seen competitive melee😂its 4 stocks lol

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Lol yo ur trash. 1v1 me right now, i’ll make u rage quit real life….. is what an inconsiderate person would say. That sucks bro I hope u can one day, you can pick up smash and not suck. Cheers m8.

Sad to hear. There is two sides to this though... I know MANY people who got extremely motivated by said tailkicking. They then got really good themselves to the point where some of them even surpassed the people who taught them competitive play and still play at offline weeklies to this day.

Perhaps a stupid statement, but is it even possible for 2 players to be equally skilled? Whoever wins means that they are not equally skilled.

@@pizzaeater8905 Well if they both roughly win 50% of the time, I'd consider that equally skilled. (at least in the heads-up: It might still be a different story when playing the whole player-pool ofc.)

Woah! As ML player, you got that point where Riot Games missed this opportunity that's why their Wild Rift haven't grown that high since ML already took place back then. Aside its comparison to this Nintendo-Smash situation, here comes the situaion when Sony missed the opportunity at how high the potential of From Sorfware is because of Demon Souls given the praise from western players since its release to the west unlike the reviews from eastern players, and then Bandai Namco (which was supposed to be Sony back then) acquired Fromsoft and we now had Dark Souls up to Elden Ring (and its latest game Armored Core 6) in any platforms worldwide instead of Playstation exclusives (except for Bloodborne).

They did, but they do the same with fan games of their IPs.

@@heavymetalmixer91 Yeah, I know, I'm not a fan of nintendo games but some of the fan games/rom hacks they took down were genuinely great.

@@crackny4n That's why I don't buy anything from Nintendo anymore.

@@heavymetalmixer91 Add Take Two and Rockstar to the boycott list too, they are even worse.

Fighting games as of late have been trying to make learning a lot easier and have more casual modes in general, it's interesting seeing how the design for them is evolving

Sky is innocent

@@albertwesker4729 Very, very wrong

agreed, just seems petty to me.

Reputations and influence fucking spreads man. There's this thing called "the Internet". It doesn't matter if these people don't directly interact personally. The non-stop toxicity and rottenness to the core of the competitive Smash scene does nothing but put regular bad press out there on the game that's particularly negative when viewed from a "normies" point of view. Is someone gonna be more or less likely to want to play the game casually (particularly to KEEP playing it) when they are constantly hearing about the non-stop toxic bullshit associated with the game? Hell yes. Many people pick up Smash and then stop playing because the Smash community just kinda fucking sucks. 🤷 People had a good thing going and then THEY fucking ruined it, not Nintendo. Nintendo didn't make the competitive Smash scene a toxic cesspool of shit. The scene did that plenty good and fine on their own... 😑

@@Cooe. And yet the casuals you mention are not at all tuned in to the gaming world. I mean, I'm a gamer myself (as in dedicated gaming, not mobile gaming) and Nintendo has influenced me since I was a kid... and **I** rarely hear _anything_ about the competitive Smash scene. If I don't (and I keep a much closer eye on the gaming world than the average normie) how much less do the casuals? I get what you're saying, but sounds blown way out of proportion to me.

@@Cooe. the only person being toxic here is you I've seen more than 1 comment from you saying literally all smash players should die. Hmm I wonder why smash players would be mad at that 🤦‍♀️ Maybe you should go get a grip on your life instead of being mad at people trying to have fun playing a game.

Just look at Overwatch, watch as competitors scene completely screw over casual while competitors scene crashed. Overwatch lost both scene.

Only because the wii outsold the n64 and gamecube. Melee did better on the gamecube and than brawl did on the wii when you compare how many consoles were sold

Splatoon 3

"yearly entries in derivative franchises" Ha ha yeah Nintendo would never make a thousand Mario spin-off games per second.

Nintendo IS an old company with boomer business practices during its entire existence as a company

Is it, though?

it's a party game

@@Matanumi I agree that's cool, but since shit is on by default, it's a party game first, fighting game second. I've seen plenty of competitive Dark Souls, with frame data and all that. That doesn't make Dark Souls a fighting game, in my opinion.

@@kinglear6150 Yeah but you don't see From Soft C&Ding grassroot communities for choosing to treat the game as a second thing?

@@islandboy9381 True, but that's not what we're discussing in this comment. We're debating whether Smash is a fighting game or not.

Someone whooped your ass too hard?

cap level 1000000000 🧢

I doubt there will be another smash bros game but anything is possible. As time goes on the competitive scene will grow smaller and smaller and it's very sad

Agreed

yeah, i agree too I used to try competitive smash for making friends and playing the game, but the enviroment was too toxic, and if you are not an elite, people will just look you like garbage and that make me quits luckily I made friend that were at my same level, and after year, we sometimes play smash, but that is outside the tournament. I hate that even tho there are people that knoow nintendo game like me, are toxic, unfriendly and elitist, but I hope to enjoy smash one day, more as a casual player too rather than competitive (except with my friends, I will play with tem competitive bc we are a the same level and we ave real fun)