How Melee's Biggest Cheater Was Caught

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In 2016, a Melee Pichu Main bursted into the scene with huge upsets in the Midwest region. Although he never beat players like Mango or Hungrybox, he ultimately defeated his opponents... by cheating. This is the story of PichuGate 2016. The Night Of The Living Pichu... Chaos.
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0:00 Intro
1:58 A Pichu is Born
2:44 Low Tier Shennanigans
3:05 High Ambitions
3:44 The Tournament begins
4:18 A Fox Approaches
4:30 Ready, Set, Go!
6:28 The Eye of the Tiger
6:51 Achieving the Impossible?
7:20 Pichu's Bane
8:12 Arguments begin
9:00 A Gauaranteed 3rd Place
9:36 Anonymous DMs
10:14 Pichu vs Ohio's Elite
12:34 Winner Takes The Tournament
13:13 The Champion Is Crowned
13:49 Things Take A Dark Turn
14:13 The Plan
15:13 Hiding In Plain Sight
15:28 A Major Discovery
16:10 Super Pichu is Born
17:15 Lost Media
18:48 Thoughts
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@paolosworld99 Год назад

"The worst part about all this is; he could have just played Pikachu." - Ken

@noisepollution4473 Год назад

My thought is that if he hacked a character other people actually played, they would have noticed sooner, or used it against him without knowing they were using a hacked character But yeah, playing pikachu is a lot like playing pichu with all the character's issues hacked out lol

@Padgriffin Год назад

@@noisepollution4473 the specific combos required to trigger busted Pichu would’ve made it incredibly difficult for anyone to accidentally stumble onto them, even if applied to someone more popular

@flux3238 Год назад

Not true, because Pichu is underrated

@randumo24 Год назад

@@Padgriffin That wasn't the point. The point was if it was common character, it would have been much more noticeable to have made major changes to the character. Example, people should know that Pichu was taking longer to die, but they would definitely know if it was a character like Puff.

@mckstellar1005 11 месяцев назад

@@noisepollution4473 think the op just meant he could of just played Pikachu no hacks required and probably been pretty good

@douglasgraham1485 Год назад

I can’t believe he changed the weight from 55 to 90 that is INSANE how was no one like “how tf did he survive that for the 60th time”

@D.A.-Espada Год назад

They probably thought that if he was that good then he probably had really good smash DI, although I'm fairly sure that plenty of players would watch those matches, including the opponents, and could tell something was off either by way of feel or by seeing things like very large hit boxes hitting consistently from a distance visibly greater that that from which the move would normally hit Either way the guy was somehow able to get people to consistently play him on his set up so his speech must be maxed out to have been able to get to Grands lol

@Isoant Год назад

@@D.A.-Espada I would’ve known when he didn’t want to use someone else’s Console like how didn’t they know

@tinyclover3849 Год назад

@@Isoant it's easy to say that you wouldn't have made the mistake they did, but think about how this is probably the first time they've faced the situation. it's hard to predict something that's never happened before

@ricardog.s2505 Год назад

Because in my experience most players know a lot about top tiers up to mid tiers, but don't know much about low tiers aside from "they are bad" so I get that no one noticed at the moment, I mean in my area one of the top players is a Luigi main and most people don't know how to deal with him because Luigi is so uncommon Also in the middle of a tournament your mind isn't exactly thinking "wow how did that work?" all the time

@BloodPlusPwn Год назад

Well, obviously they did think that since they ninja'd his SD data lol

@Adem92Foster Год назад

Honestly props to 4% for taking the win even against such a busted character

@dinospumoni5611 Год назад

4% is a god.

@hk-sumo Год назад

I'm saying. Them cheats didn't affect them, just up'd their game

@gibraltar4841 Год назад

My phone is at 3%

@Xw3dn3sd4yX Год назад

Truly. o7

@yummyki Год назад

I mean, that says more about Jigglypuff than anything..

@KeijiKotaro Год назад

Ngl, this left me even more impressed with 4%'s skills in beating a hacked character. No shade to the other players who lost to him. Goes to show cheaters never win.

@anotherhuman7813 Год назад

you'd be suprised how many cheaters YOU'VE probably beaten on Ultimate lmao

@jonathanc2295 Год назад

I was playing ultimate and some dude was clearly using a lag switch cause whenever I killed him I started lagging hard but when he killed me it stopped lagging but he lost at the end

@krysal1489 Год назад

@@anotherhuman7813 Seeing cheaters lose is satisfying. I once was just goofing with a terrible Pokemon team set-up and came across a cheater with a mega Gardevoir that had contrary and spammed V-create, among others. They lost to an Exeggutor, Leafeon, Chansey, Ninetales, Ratatta, and Clefable lmao

@sabotagefate69 Год назад

Nope, just thieves won this time.

@ashbethXII Год назад

@@krysal1489 bruh who tf still playin pokemon these days...

@Jayluna98 Год назад

I'm Joeycrzl and when I ended up playing him he was complaining about how broken ICs vs Pichu is for Pichu, and ended up just rocking me with his invincible Nairs and buffed forward smashes

@R.DeMora Год назад

Wish I had your schadenfreude. Really do enjoy it tho, you deserve it.

@Jayluna98 Год назад

@@R.DeMora I found no pleasure in Chaos cheating, it was unfortunate. I just thought it was ironic how much complaining was done while secretly being at an advantage

@R.DeMora Год назад

@@Jayluna98 Not pleasure in him cheating, pleasure in him being exposed and (hopefully) ruined. He chose his hill.

@Jayluna98 Год назад

@@R.DeMora He had been exposed years ago, this isn't something I think of at all these days and he quit playing when he was exposed. I didn't think anyone would talk about this again at all and just found it all a bit funny. I don't hate the guy and hope he's doing well, we all make mistakes.

@R.DeMora Год назад

@@Jayluna98 I'm foreign to these subjects and mostly uninformed, so it's all new to me, I apologize. I'm humbled by your final words, you're a much better person. I don't know if all of us can find forgiveness like that, but I can hope. Thank you.

@sp1nda Год назад

fun fact: this is one of the weirdest scandals i'd been a part of. i remember going with Pichu Kid to circle K while my friends copied the ISO over to another SD card 😂 I also guarantee I was the first person to play on the super pichu setup but I was essentially gaslit into believing I just "didn't know enough about Pichu" LMFAO The two things that gave away the hacked pichu was actually how quickly he'd act out of aerials (no end lag) and the angle at which dtilt would send at (shine spike angle.) Pichu Kid would claim it was a 1.0 Melee thing, but we did rigorous testing to find out this was total BS

@chiliwong6311 Год назад

ohiospinda...

@simplyhoodie Год назад

But... Even if it was a 1.0 thing... That's not the version that is played at the competitive level...

@volvomoneygang1178 Год назад

Bro was wilin for that, ruined the losers run for ppl, but honestly he was just a kid lmfao, I think it’s hard to call someone a cheater in melee cuz no johns and that it is so rare for it to actually happen

@kamarapikachu4991 Год назад

Going to a Circle K is significantly less cool than going to a Sheetz like the video said happened

@ColeslawSSBM1996 Год назад

Yoooo Spinda was there! I love your channel this is crazy actually lmao

@KiraSlith Год назад

What I'm curious is why nobody noticed how fast he falls, or that every win was on his hardware, not the site gear.

@plusarik8879 Год назад

Exactly this, i was wondering "how would someone cheat that easily" my only thought was turbo commands controller at best, but when i saw he brought HIS Wii to tournaments i knew there was a hack involved

@AMH9000 Год назад

@@plusarik8879 like what was said in the video, some of these tournaments run on the setups that the players bring. Bringing your setup isn’t suspicious, but insisting on a specific setup, especially your own, is suspicious

@redfoxoffire Год назад

But they did notice, didn't they? That's why they got suspicious and checked out his SD card.

@lennonmueller598 Год назад

They did notice. In fact, they were SO convinced it was hacked, they sent Pichu Kid on an errand to look at his SD card. They knew almost right away something was up, it just took some time to definitively prove it.

@AMH9000 Год назад

@@lennonmueller598 the way you’re wording this makes it sound like this did this the day after the tournament, which isn’t the case. Once the second tournament was getting setup and Pichu Kid came with his Wii, they immediately took action.

@Maryeet Год назад

I just think it's absolutely hilarious the dude "saw potential" in Pichu and wanted to see it in actual tournaments/comp play, but went on to play as a hacked Pichu. What happened to seeing potential?? Genuinely, why would the dude complain about nobody using Pichu and claim it has potential but then not even use it legit himself. Obviously I know the answer is clout but still, not even HE had faith in Pichu because he had to hack its kit. Thank you for sharing this story with us! Btw your editing is really nice, very well done!

@benjamink.crowley4889 Год назад

He could've just played Pikachu

@Bigjuggs64 Год назад

He saw the potential to hack pichu lol

@tylerlane8221 Год назад

He was just playing as a competitive pokemon player plays by hacking in max ivs

@saltytyranitar6981 Год назад

I think Fireb0rn's video on Hollow Knight cheaters had a good insight into this. Cheaters don't cheat because they're bad, but because they feel entitled to results because of the effort they put in. Chaos clearly had talent as a player, but his stated goal became too hard to maintain without cheating because of the limitations of the character he wanted to main. So he hacked the character because he felt entitled to win with his favourite based on his talent and game knowledge.

@xtrem5428 Год назад

Sometimes the means become the end. People get so tunnel vision into accomplishing something that they forget why they wanted it in the first place.

@x9x9x9x9x9 Год назад

What I have never understood about this story is what was Chaos's end goal? If he wanted to get banned then sure this was a fun way to do it. The only other goal I could think of is he hoped to not get caught and wanted to get people working on pichu tech? But people would quickly realize that his pichu was wrong. Or someday he would have to play on the stream setup or on someone elses setup. IDK its such a weird story but these are the stories we love and at the end of the day it was mostly harmless.

@morioh6623 Год назад

The amount of cringe i had watching this video just thinking about WTF was going through this kids head was harmful as fuck to my psyche so idk man...

@trademarked2476 Год назад

It seems quite obvious that his pichu was hacked I don’t know how the TO didn’t realize or force him to switch off his setup. I guess lack of knowledge on pichu but I feel like every top player has messed around with him before…

@FrekyD Год назад

@@trademarked2476 I think it was a culture thing at the time. If you said, publicly at a tournament, "I think this kid is cheating", you'd be laughed out of the room. It'd be a meme.

@damiancarr168 Год назад

He was 13 or 14 at the time. I don't think he had a end goal at all. Kids that age don't think that far ahead

@charliemeyer6225 Год назад

... to make money?

@FrekyD Год назад

Appreciate all the effort and research into this video! I always wondered how I got 2-0d by a pichu at that time. I honestly just thought they were a god LMAO. I was the main NEOH TO that was in the room at the fest when the SD card was looked at. We pretty much immediately put it into an md5 hasher (for the uninitiated, basically a computer program that's an easy way to tell if the ISO is genuine or not) and my heart sunk when it didn't match. It was a moment in TOing I'll never forget; my first instinct was just to think.. "what now?" I always get very nervous when talking about this story; I think often times it gets blown up into a massive personal issue, there was a lot of vitriol thrown around at the time around them taking money from players. It can be listed as one of the reasons that Northeast Ohio and Pittsburgh, two scenes that were critical working together to make Melee big in the region from 2010-2016ish started to drift apart. I like to think a lot of the vitriol has calmed down somewhat; it's been 7 years and we've all grown as people. I'm really glad this video strayed away from a lot of that noise and focused on the video game aspect of things I hope this story can be used as a lesson for all TOs in the future; ALWAYS check your setups before a bracket starts. Even at your 10 person homie local. I don't think it'll ever happen again, but it's the job of the TOs to make sure of it. It's a lesson I learned then and now, even when I work at events as big as Genesis or Big House, I take with me through all of it. Great video, thank you for making this and telling this story!

@FrekyD Год назад

Also as a reminder: this person was 16 years old at the time doing this. Please stray away from finding this person and hounding them on this situation. End of the day, it was someone solely doing wild stuff in a video game.

@killercore007 Год назад

Of course this lesson wasn’t exactly followed with the 2 cases of the mismatched launch speed modifier.

@itsbigbad2050 Год назад

I was his main training partner before I left to join the military. He lived about twenty minutes away from me in Ohio and we’d play often. He was a fox main and talked a lot about viewing the game like m2k. I found out about this after I got out of basic training and was shocked. He was a good kid but I was just so upset with him. As far as I know you messed up or missed a couple things. It wasn’t a button combo you had to press. You just had to be port four with the blue goggle pichu. He also made it so pichu f smash was impossible to SDI out of. He said publicly to someone in the scene “I couldn’t beat 4%. It would be too obvious and I would get found out.” He basically made sure he didn’t beat 4%. He had a mental illness issue, a lot of depression mostly. I know for a fact he had really dark thoughts and especially after getting banned. I still feel bad for him. He found a place in the melee community when he had few friends before it. I’ll always love the dude, but wonder what made him want to do it to the community that accepted him…

@BakingSoda4U Год назад

Being accepted isn't enough for some. They have to know they are regarded as superior among their peers, in order to find peace. Someone like that most likely has some form of mental or emotional disease.

@FernyFernsworth Год назад

Damn boi, we're going that hard on a kid and his modded electric rat?

@Supersonic37838 Год назад

Couldn’t handle 90 weight

@PichusBlueberryPies Год назад

I feel like he should have prioritized his mental health before the game, but unfortunately, he made a bad decision. Hopefully he is in a better place now.

@agentblackbird9435 Год назад

@@wondertriplover What the fuck

@NightKev Год назад

Someone being insistent on only playing on their own Melee setup is *extremely* suspicious; that many/most people thought there was no issue there is crazy.

@Cardboxx Год назад

At the time you'd see samus/link/ylink main bring their own 1.0 disc to tournament because it changes some niche things for them. Even axe did it for ylink sometime. Chaos used that excuse + wanting to record his games for analysis and it didn't seem that far fetched at the time

@YOSSARIAN313 Год назад

Nobody had cheated at an in person event before so people werent thinking about it. Fighting games at the highest level are played at in person events often on event hardware so cheating is completely unheard of.

@N12015 Год назад

@@Cardboxx Yeah, that sounds like a valid excuse to me. I would also want to record my tournament.

@justanotheryoutubechannel 9 месяцев назад

I think once or twice it’s reasonable, but *every* time is suspicious. That’s how he was discovered though in the end.

@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, that there are people here suggesting it's at all normal is kind of baffling. Yeah, no one had been caught doing it before because it's so audacious, so the rules were lax, but it's a lot less audacious when you realize the rules were apparently so lax that anyone *could* just do this. Just making it a rule that tournaments had to have a few disks and/or SD cards on hand and that even if you brought your own hardware you had to use a tournament's copy of the game is the kind of obvious shit that normally happens when a game moves from 'something a few people play in basements and community centers' to something with a cash prize. I think the melee community was just entrenched enough in the vibes from when it was a very niche underground thing that they never moved to the same norms everything else uses. TBH, I would not be at all surprised if other people *have* done it over the years and just never went as far, and so were never caught.

@lynxfirenze4994 Год назад

4% performing so well even against someone who was cheating is a good demonstration of skill in my opinion.

@peeron6829 8 месяцев назад

He lost on purpose

@muchotexto4248 6 месяцев назад

He couldn't beat him. They would find out too quickly

@wintershorts1862 Год назад

By far one of the most detailed information pieces on this player. Talks about things like the name of the player, the details of the tournament and how specifically the other Melee players got the files from his SD card, things no one else talks about for this player (although arguably to try and keep certain personal details out). While I'm much moreso an Ultimate player, I am from the same region and I do remember seeing a detailed facebook post coming out of this guy explaining why he cheated from way back when (maybe something else as well). This was a good video!

@samskott2344 Год назад

Thank you so much for putting in so much work to tell this story. I started in 2016 and am from the Midwest and even back then there were stories of a Pichu main who was apparently very good but something seemed kind of off about him. Even back then, nobody really talked about *how* he did it (we just knew he had a modded Wii) and people didn't even like to mention what his tag was (I think it was because he was so young and they didn't want the community to bully him). Thanks for doing the due diligence to put this all together.

@SBaby Год назад

This kind of makes you wonder how many cheaters DON'T get caught. We hear about cheaters getting caught all the time, but then when we remember the Rule of Hundredths, it really is kind of staggering.

@murddeath Год назад

The thing is, smarter cheaters KNOW when to toggle their cheats on and off, when to take L's and that having 100% accuracy is an obvious sign you're cheating. Atleast in online shooters. I'm sure there are ways to disguise what you're doing in Melee but he was too obvious

@ADreamingTraveler Год назад

Especially when there's money on the line people will get very smart with their cheating

@YOSSARIAN313 Год назад

On slippi maybe but it would get really hard to pull this off today in person unless it was extremely subtle as players are way more knowledgeable.

@TenjinZekken 9 месяцев назад

Melee is honestly too small of a scene to invite a lot of cheaters. Newer games are much harder to cheat on, since you are generally in TO hardware given how much easier they are to obtain compared to melee setups. Game file verification on downloaded games also makes editing the files nigh impossible even if you bring your own setup.

@Scriffer 6 месяцев назад

One of my fave games, trackmania had a cheat8ng scandal and it turned out most the top players were cheating runs. Now I guess we may never know if and who did this in smash. Trackmania all records are saved and we can go back years and watch footage to see. But a lot of early smash games aren't around to view. Its possible some of the great smash players chested their way to the top and we will just never know.

@seanb3226 Год назад

4% should really be proud of himself. Not only did he win the tournament, he took GF over a bullshit Pichu! It's like playing a game against someone who uses Action Replay or Game Genie cheats for an advantage without you knowing and beating them anyways.

@viewerguy10 Год назад

It’s a testament to how good top ranked players are.

@xAdrianHGx Год назад

i heard in other comments that chaos lost on purpose so it wouldnt end up too obvious (which makes sense since people would instantly find out if he won lol)

@AnakinSkywakka Год назад

@Herobrine Gamer// AdrianHG I get that. But the guy was already arousing suspicion up until that point anyways.

@xAdrianHGx Год назад

@@AnakinSkywakka yea but suspicion is different to just straight up confirming something. better to leave that window open to possibly get away with it than just straight up exposing yourself as a cheater and being called out for it

@AnakinSkywakka Год назад

@@xAdrianHGx Well, either way, the guys who did expose him would've acted regardless.

@travisanderson2380 Год назад

@LilHomie the numbers may not reflect it quite yet, but you are putting in the work and creating some of the best Smash content on the platform. Just keep doing the thing, bro. These vids are undeniable.

@Lil_Homie Год назад

Oh man, this means a lot to me dude! I appreciate your kind words very much. You're giving me more motivation to keep going. Thank you homie

@travisanderson2380 Год назад

@@Lil_Homie Been rockin with you for 4 months now, and even when I think I'm not that interested in the subject of a video, you turn it into something truly entertaining and make it feel bigger and more significant than I anticipated (specifically referring to your recent Borp vid; didn't think I cared, but ended up thoroughly engaged and entertained). Much love, brother. Keep killin it.

@shen-long9082 Год назад

@Lil Homie ___dude, you cry a lot about how much "work" you put on this video. Hard workers don't cry about it or even talk about it. You are Sleazy asf.....

@ashx8772 Месяц назад

@@Lil_HomieI agree , just discovered you today and you’re one of my favorite RU-vidrs in general now after watching like 4 of these documentary things . Greetings from Iowa!

@Lil_Homie Месяц назад

@@ashx8772 haven't done these in a while but sometime soon, I'll make a new one for you all

@Ludvix Год назад

ofc its in Ohio

@thecatastrophe132 Год назад

didn't even pick that up LOL

@Kimonia6 Год назад

Down in Ohio swag like Ohio

@kuniokun9117 Год назад

can't even play melee in ohio bruh 💀

@ultimapower6950 Год назад

POV You play against Pichu In Ohio

@VictiniVids Год назад

Average Pichu main in Ohio

@steven3814 Год назад

Imagine still losing after cheating 😂

@fahkyew7776 Год назад

i couldn't beat a top 100 player in any game even with cheats ngl. unless the cheats are so blatantly obvious that anyone could tell i'm cheating

@GamingEelektross Год назад

Coulda also been a means to not arouse too much suspicion. Though, by the end of that one tournament, I figure the best way to cover tracks is to try and improve further on unmodded then play like that, idk.

@retsu_shin Год назад

I've seen that happen live. The guy had no shame and didn't understand why people were upset.

@cadetsparklez3300 Год назад

I mean its still weaker than fox tbh

@YOSSARIAN313 Год назад

In overwatch ive seen top players beat three aimbotters at once. The skill gap between good and the best is huge.

@Deimosthegreat Год назад

"how could he not understand he'd get caught in the long run", well going from the timeline here it sounds like he was an unsupervised teenager who thought of himself as untouchable. Honestly it's for the best that he faced consequences early, you're never gonna learn otherwise. Hopefully in the 7 years since then he's matured and grown up to be a better person.

@TenjinZekken 9 месяцев назад

Yep. Kids, and teens especially just make stupid decisions a lot. Its good that it didn't blow too out of proportion for him to handle, and one would certainly hope he learned something

@crystalcrusader8832 Год назад

I’m really sad this ended up being a cheater story. I love a good underdog, and Pichu is one of my favorites (mostly because he cute). Would’ve been amazing to see a Pichu completely sweep the scene. But sadly Pichu is terrible. Very sad.

@muchotexto4248 6 месяцев назад

It was made for that, so it's fine that he remains lowtier He is meant for you to be able to play with someone less experienced and still have fun

@crystalcrusader8832 6 месяцев назад

@@muchotexto4248 I never considered that approach. I guess lowtiers are a handicap in that way. Very interesting

@muchotexto4248 6 месяцев назад

@@crystalcrusader8832 Those characters are just bad. The game was not meant to be taken that seriously and it shows What I talk about is the fact Pichu's description tells you about Pichu being made to handicap yourself

@neputendo Год назад

You know shit got real when Dan Salvato calls you out

@charc0al_tv 11 месяцев назад

This dude really thought he could just beat everybody with a god-tier version of the worst character and nobody would be suspicious

@darkarch757 Год назад

Im modding captain falcon to use his gun, they will never find out

@prooflifedoc942 Год назад

This video is absolutely amazing. No ads, and no filler time. A legit video profile that took hours of legit work. This is true RU-vid. Thanks Lil Homie

@cesarcueto1995 Год назад

There's tons of filler.

@prooflifedoc942 10 месяцев назад

@@cesarcueto1995 maybe your right. I'll re watch some point.

@gnardawgyt Год назад

Really great video, definitely your best, thanks for the upload

@mr.dr.kaiser4912 8 месяцев назад

The biggest thing that surprises me about how long it took to catch this guy was the weight change. Fox, which is a character that is seen _everywhere,_ uses shine _all the time._ It has fixed knockback. It either knocks your character down, or it doesn't. If your character is over 85 weight, shine will not knock them down. Buffing pichu to 90 weight means he wouldn't get knocked down, which should've screamed "something's not right here" to anyone that saw it.

@toshi9742 Год назад

Rule to thumb: if someone is REALLY insistent on playing on their own console etc, DON’T play on their console.

@yoshiwoollyworld Год назад

What if they have dlc characters you don’t have? Or would your console be illegible for tournaments if you lack every dlc character? (I have all of them in smash 4 and ultimate)

@toshi9742 Год назад

@@yoshiwoollyworld most tournaments have their own consoles/you can borrow someone else’s. Don’t think dlc is a good excuse to be REALLY insistent on playing on your own (it makes you sound sus af). And, again, if it’s for the dlc then you could play on a different console that also has dlc :)

@yoshiwoollyworld Год назад

@@toshi9742 i imagine that every console in a tournament to be used must have every dlc character available anyways or it won’t be eligible for use.

@toshi9742 Год назад

@@yoshiwoollyworld ok

@ivy9617 Год назад

@@yoshiwoollyworld at my local thats how it works they have 4 normal setups tho that your free to use there

@tacolordc Год назад

Really enjoyed watching this, but the audio could have been louder as it was a bit difficult hearing you over the music

@trentonamor Год назад

What an incredible video. Shocked at how few subs you have. Your story telling is phenomenal

@gotgud Год назад

Such a well made video, nice job man

@missmoss4641 Год назад

As someone who has played the tiniest bit of Smash Bros (only on the Wii and only casually) but a LOT more Pokemon, the idea of Pichu being able to do literally anything is honestly surprising...

@PokeDude011 7 месяцев назад

"So can we play Melee on my GameCu-" "NO! We have to play on my Wii!" "Okay okay, we'll play on you're Wii."

@TheAoalec14 Год назад

You did a good job bro! Never played smash in my life but the style and info in your video made this a great watch..as long as there is money involved there will always be incentives to cheat..imagine all the situations that went undiscovered ??

@Bleeper852 Год назад

Thank you for your work ❤ definitely got my sub and I will continue to support 🙏🏼

@mnloring7867 Год назад

Great Video man keep up the good work

@ddumpy Год назад

hey man, just wanted to say thanks so much for making the content that you do! keep up the great work and I hope to see your channel see the success it very much deserves!

@Lil_Homie Год назад

All love back to you homie. I appreciate it dude. Hope you have a great day :)

@fluffcake Год назад

I’ve heard of many cheaters in smash but it’s nice to hear the first one in recorded Melee history and also accompanied by last media as well!

@AMH9000 Год назад

With the information in this video, it’s be extremely hard to actually detect any minute differences, such as a move having a few extra frames of end lag, slightly higher or lower knock back values, auto L-cancelling etc. Without properly checking these things, there could be many other cheats that went by unnoticed.

@drungaodys5610 Год назад

Self proclaimed free thinkers when you ask them to use a main in Melee thats not Fox

@EskChan19 Год назад

It definitely says something about how good 4% is that he even beat a cheating bot

@retardwithconviction 9 месяцев назад

I really loved the end part where he gushed about how much work he put into it and how proud he was of this video, honestly just wholesome and awesome as hell ❤

@Oboromaru Год назад

The thought of luring him away to Sheetz while the rest of the party at the house yoinks the SD card is so funny to me 😂

@theggamer2824 Год назад

Ngl despite Chaos cheating. The whole SD card makes me afraid that if I become amazing someone is gonna steal my switch for quote inspectation.

@cococock2418 Год назад

@@theggamer2824 that’s not stealing it’s checking for cheats

@theggamer2824 Год назад

@@cococock2418 so basically it’s stealing. SD card

@harrybutimnot Год назад

@@theggamer2824 So don't refuse to play on other people's hardware. He got caught cus he only ever used his wii.

@PichusBlueberryPies Год назад

@@theggamer2824 yeah, everyone should keep one eye open for someone trying to commit theft because of suspicion of cheating.

@expoexpodia Год назад

Dawg I was like 16 when this happened, shout out to the bois. We got em 😎😎 And @Lil Homie told our story. Keep shit up! This was super well done! Thank you!

@funkyyukiedits Год назад

This video deserves more likes! The research was insane. Thanks for sharing!

@jjlouder Год назад

Nice investigation! Thank you for good journalism on the scene!

@MrHangman56 Год назад

really great video. it was very informative the clips of the matches lasted a tad long though.

@Quasartist Год назад

I remember when this story originally came out a handful of years ago. Absolutely nuts. I feel like a lot more people should have noticed the weight issue a lot earlier on because a lot of those hits he was taking should have been outright KO's at those percentages, especially that Fox up smash at 5:10. No way Pichu should have lived that at 75%. Cheaters in video games are getting more creative every generation lol I remember seeing one story about a guy who played Guile in SF5 and had a modded controller to where if he pressed his right trigger just 75% of the way instead of a full press he would get a frame perfect EX flip kick every time. It was so under-the-radar that anyone else using his controller in training mode to see the button commands wouldn't likely think to do it. Wild stuff going on in the minds of people like these. You have to wonder what he hoped to accomplish though because the farther along he might get, the more suspicious it would become when he insists on playing with his own setup. Imagine if he made it to the big leagues like Summit or Apex or something and kept pushing to get his own setup to be the one used instead of the provided setups. No idea what his endgame could have possibly been. His technique and precision were pretty good so he could have really made an honest but respected name for himself in a positive light if he just taken the high road instead.

@maybestunner Год назад

Amazing video, I followed the situation at that time, so yeah amazing work dude

@donovan4613 Год назад

You have such a cool vibe, loved your hard work!

@andrevieira2534 Год назад

The amount of time you put into this was more than worth it. My hat is off to you!

@greasydave1318 11 месяцев назад

andre put your hat back on

@andrevieira2534 10 месяцев назад

@@greasydave1318 GASPS HOW DARE!!!! D;

@Charitish89 Год назад

So glad this got recommended to me. Dude you covered this topic amazingly!

@MrMoffatt Год назад

Very good video, I remeber when AsumSaus uploaded his video originally and I was like "I wonder if there's a video about this pichu player?" You came at the perfect time. Also, the weight should've been one the first red flags when the players were playing (At least for me since I usually play low-tiers).

@8MEP8 10 месяцев назад

Dope video, very in depth and great clips

@hypotenuseless9979 Год назад

I can’t fathom how people didn’t spot this earlier. Even before watching the video through to the part where it details the mods, when watching the very first game on the very first set shown, I could tell the hit boxes on down tilt and nair were absolutely busted. They were hitting from so much further away than any move should naturally hit. I’m not even a melee veteran. How did nobody call this out sooner?

@JoelHernandez-tz3vk Год назад

I wonder if many spotted the modding. But decided against speaking their minds because they're against name calling or whatever.

@azinyefantasy4445 Год назад

My guess is casino rules. You can know 200% they are cheating but if you can't explain it clearly to the judge then it is fair play. Cause you don't want to be the person that cries foul play and they spend the whole tournament trying to recreate the cheat.

@andrewgregg5873 Год назад

They did realize. Because he was always waiting for his setup pichu kid was behind in the bracket and all his later matches from my understanding happened in quick succession so it was too fast to formulate action in real time because it was so unprecedented. When you lose to pichu you are in shock. But like S1/sweet and 4%/minnty were close friends, and after the tournament I spoke with them and they all deeply suspected something. Like minnty/4% knew something was wrong immediately. You have to realize minnty is a really chill dude who wouldn't stop the presses without proof. There were a lot of "glad the mods were so egregious or else it may have taken several tournaments to realize". Anyways while what pichu kid did was awful and I supported his ban, you have to remember he was a high schooler with mental health issues and give him a break. I am honestly sad I didn't go to this tournament and missed out on the memes though.

@k-bit-gaming7865 11 месяцев назад

I didn’t see the nair but that down tilt was insane.

@FlameIsLucky Год назад

he's done it again

@creamteam499 Год назад

😁💙

@Jasongamer9000 Год назад

Omg ngl not the usual style of melee content I see, but I rly dig this. Keep it up

@Cupheadsadvocate 2 месяца назад

Super Pichu: I'M THE MOST OVERPOWERED THING TO EXIST Brawl Meta Knight: Hold my cape

@orangepeel4542 Год назад

Man I really hate that this is pretty much what comes to mind first when people bring up melee pichu

@ace-xy8ub Год назад

This is fantastic content. Great editing, concise and informative, and youre personality is great and it shines thru in the video

@ThatSkiFreak Год назад

I had heard about this story but didn't know any details (wasn't even aware it was pichu), thanks for the video :)

@jollygator9080 Год назад

Great video Isaac! I just had to click when I saw Lil Homie on my recommended feed! Very well done!

@ryan_ford522 Год назад

When the dtilt out-ranged the Marth up-b at the start I was like 👀 Also surviving the upsmash at FoD at 79% before the hit with no DI had me cackling

@258thHiGuy 8 месяцев назад

Least cheated pichu in ohio:

@byrontheusurper6505 8 месяцев назад

Never played thegame but man do I love the melee community, I'm such a sucker for melee community stories!

@oblisk2 Год назад

Really great video! I like the way you tell a story

@dftew53 Год назад

Just imagine how many people who have done something like this and gotten away with it

@GetOffMyLog Год назад

I don't actually think the number is that high. You need a degree of technical skill to mod the game like this. On top of that, melee players are extremely dedicated and know kill percents and move interactions very well. The only reason this went so far is because pichu is not a well known character to play against.

@vash121086 10 месяцев назад

It’s noble to want to make a character that is really bad into something incredible, but cheating your way to victory is vary wrong and I’m glad he was caught. And those he fought in the tournaments were avenged. I know how difficult it is to train yourself with a charter in smash bros melee. My RU-vid picture is my best fighter in melee. I entered a melee tournament that was being held and I made it into 3rd place. I was very happy with my improvement.

@randomperson4915 9 месяцев назад

I did a legitimate spit take when I heard the words "surf's up, hail satan" said so casually

@jordy3401 9 месяцев назад

Bro I thought I was the only one 😭

@papertiger4525 8 месяцев назад

I can't help but wonder. If this guy spent his entire career honing his Pichu and training relentlessly, instead of ever hacking the buffed Pichu, how would he be doing now?

@alexsssi1848 Год назад

Unexpected dan salvato jumpscare

@RoronoraZoro666 Год назад

I noticed that down tilt having a bigger hurt box from the first clip. I’m surprised it took them this long to piece it together.

@cyanthermus5235 Год назад

It's over 3x the size. It's actually insane.

@RoronoraZoro666 Год назад

@@cyanthermus5235 I play Pichu a lot, and I know how bad it is. That and Nair is not THAT good

@calvinwilson3617 Год назад

Yeah when he was playing tjat first match against the fox jumping back and hitting him from like a yard away from the edge

@andrewgregg5873 Год назад

Everyone saying they are surprised it took so long... You realize he intentionally held himself up so he was the one holding up the tournament and played his whole losers run in succession? "took so long"??? The whole thing was like 6 sets that happened in around an hour and literally everyone he played thought something was up, and they got the SD card data very shortly thereafter. It was found out pretty much immediately.

@dugger0 11 месяцев назад

Thanks Lil homie. Great video. Subbed

@TalleyBellum 9 месяцев назад

Any time I hear the name Dan Salvato I keep getting flashbangged with the realization that the ddlc guy plays competitive games like melee and Splatoon

@ashslashtaki 8 месяцев назад

SAME

@viewerguy10 Год назад

I just find it weird no one noticed how early he was getting stocks. And those hitboxes were huge!

@RicShaymin3398 Год назад

Plot twist the narrator is super Pichu

@LordFartamor Год назад

keep up the great work lil homie! ^_^

@crisXD2010 Год назад

Nice video man, thanks for sharing!

@bigschn0se541 Год назад

You really don't have to be a detective to see these busted ass hitboxes

@deyontemyers4109 Год назад

Marth grab hitbox is still a thing Melee not Ssbu Edit: I just said this because well yes these hitboxes are completely bs...this is smash some character have bs hitboxes Brawl snake (up tilt) 64 Kirby (up tilt) Melee jiggly puff (back air) Marth melee (grab) Melee yoshi (seriously why can't this move grab at close ITS A GRAB THATS THE POINT) THE FREAKING STAGE LEDGE ITSELF IN FINAL DESTINATION I'm just trying to say that yea there kinda obvious but it could also just be smash fans going whelp thats just smash and assume there broken hitboxes made by the devs not a modded software Worse part no one played Pichu so people could also go Oh wow I didn't know that Pichu had broken hitboxes man that sucks

@doublenikkel Год назад

He just made Ultimate 1.0 Pichu.

@SWIGGITYSWAGWIGGITYWAG Год назад

Looks like im binging these videos today

@Macheako Год назад

Great Video!!! And I watch a TON a fu**in videos on here 🤣❤

@conqueringstocks Год назад

Bro GREAT video. Subbed for sure.

@CherrieBoard Год назад

Im actually so glad you brought that heatmap part up lol no one ever seems to mention this and to me, it kinda spoke volumes on what type of obsession he had

@Yvs8962 Год назад

No way bro thought he would get away with this forever 😂

@MarMaxGaming Год назад

Another fellow aspiring vid producer, love to see it!

@VirginVulture 24 дня назад

This guy really thought that he wouldn’t arouse suspicions by insisting on playing on his setup all the time, 2-0ing every player in the losers bracket, and absurdly buffing Pichu to astronomical levels lmao.

@SSB_Seal Год назад

I gotta say, I'm not really a fan of the obviously fake game footage (in the Remix and 4% sections). I get that it helps for storytelling purposes to have gameplay during the sets, but personally I don't regard it as accurate documentation of the situation, which seemed like the angle you're going for.

@125conman Год назад

It also went on WAY too long

@tokisuno Год назад

true

@Uiopty Год назад

It was nice wdym

@Pure2000sEnergy Год назад

I feel like it could be improved but I feel like the cinematic fake gameplay makes it a lot better. Though it could have been done a lot better in this video.

@XEPHOURIA Год назад

What do you want him to do? Not have footage? Also, it's not OBVIOUSLY fake, could just be the fact that, yk, the video is abt a cheating pichu. Idk if ut is or isn't still. Regardless tho, if yhu wanna give criticism, make it constructive, telling the video author that yhu don't like the footage is not that. Plus this story already has plenty of accurate documentation, why would he need to be 100% accurate? He's trying to tell a story, not make a documentary. Let him add flair.

@liamcollinson5695 Год назад

When I saw Pichu I was extremely skeptical I never played in tournaments or anything but I did spend hours fighting friends I could normally win with most characters but never Pichu

@armandopineiro4022 10 месяцев назад

A testament to these players who were getting cheated on and still took games off him

@justnobody5527 Год назад

Dan Salvoto is my favorite bit, I love his work on the replay mod for Mario Sunshine that people never talk about!

@cyanthermus5235 Год назад

I remember hearing about this. Fsmash killing at like 30%, nair being huge, dtilt being 3x the size and the angle being horrendous, and of course his weight being increased from 55 to 90.

@QuartzGolem Год назад

Sounds like a mid tier to me.

@thenerdbeast7375 Год назад

I mean, if I joined one of these tournaments and brought my own console I would insist on playing on it every time too, just because I'd be paranoid about losing it. The console stays with me at all times, even if it just unplugged and by my side.

@yoshiwoollyworld 2 месяца назад

Wouldn’t people assure you it will not at any point be stolen?

@EsmeraldaTGG Год назад

Fun Fact: Dan Salvato is the same guy who created popular visual novel horror game Doki Doki Literature Club. He _also_ happens to be the same guy who made the infamous Super Mario Maker level, P is for Pain. I'm kind of impressed that he's managed to gain notoriety in three different ways, since I'd imagine a number of people aren't even aware it's the same dude!

@epicness203 Год назад

great video dude!

@EpicBongZilla Год назад

I don't know how people didn't notice how absurd his hit boxes were. It's immediately noticeable to me apon watching these clips. I don't know how nobody caught on sooner.

@SuprMikey64 Год назад

yeah the dtilt clips are all blatant

@AMH9000 Год назад

I mean, jigglypuff b-air also looks absurd, but the main difference is that it’s something that people commonly see. It could have been passed off as being completely genuine at the time, but with the foreknowledge of the Pichu there being hacked, it’s clear to see that it’s different (there was also a large amount of emphasis on that d-tilt throughout the video) For example, if you saw a video called “cheating bowser player exposed” and it showed the Bowser edge-guarding spacies with nothing but slow (being over 100% slows ledge get up anims) ledge get up attack, you’d assume that the bowser’s get up attack was modded in some way. Nobody plays Bowser in Melee and most outsiders would assume that the Bowser was cheating, when in reality, that’s a completely vanilla scenario.

@chrisiscool6969 Год назад

I cant believe this situation only got the attention of a few hundred people back in 2016, and this video broke 100k views in the span of 3 weeks. Thank you so much for making this video keep up the content bro 👍

@Siinory Год назад

I learned about it with AsumSaus, it' scool to have way more context and history, amazing work! And I'll be honest, I'm a Melee casual, I watch from time to time and don't play, I easily noticed the hitboxes where heavily moded and bigger than it was supposed to do.