I definitely agree with your ideas for why Tryndamere is not played. He's a really hard champion to play, despite how simple and plain his kit is, which makes him not very popular. Thanks for the shoutout! I'm doing my best to correct Tryndamere not being played much by offering a fun playstyle that works well enough to even be challenger with it.
Heyy! Glad you could catch the video. I hate you for one tricking one of the most frustrating champions to go up against but respect you for also picking one of the hardest champions to play in high elo XD
@@VarsVerum You shoulda pointed out how Tryndamere is a diver adc which is why his r is needed for his kit. Your video was really good about talking about how Tryndamere isn't as easy as he seems but I feel like you should have talked more about what his r does and why he needs his r.
@@VarsVerum Unlike Yasuo and Yone in team fights he has to go in as he is unable to play the standard front-to-back playstyle as his range is abysmal while being as squishy as an adc. This gives him a "brain dead" look as you see Tryndameres rush into the enemy team when going for a typical 5v5 fight as that is usually their only option when unable to a flank off.
@@VarsVerum Oh, I almost forgot about the complexity of his r as it isn't just a boom im invulnerable to the damage button as it requires Tryndamere to predict the enemies damage as Tryndamere needs to time his r correctly so that he can do the highest amount of damage possible in the 5 second time frame as after Tryndameres r is popped he is quite useless especially later on as he is a melee adc that has no real counterplay, unlike Yasuo and Yone. Because of this Tryndamere ends up not able to play the game for 60 seconds late game as killing Tryndamere is quite easy but living against Tryndamere is hard(obv when he has r).
One of the highest base damage in the game, has ridiculous sustain, dashes that can go over walls, can debuff enemies and an ult that prevents him from dying. What can possibly go wrong with this character? Well.... everything else.
@@VarsVerum love the videos man and I bought myself playing azir after the video of why no one plays azir and now I’m M5 with 4 S’es and elder wood skin
It would be great to see a series called "Why everyone hates", in which we see why some champions are really disliked in the community like Yuumi, Irelia, Yuumi...
@@andychua2766 Completely true. Just happens so often with Trynd because he's less good at teamfighting than a lot of other split pushers, like Nasus, Sion or Yorick.
A friend of mine once said that playing Trynd was like playing single player in a multiplayer game. It can be rewarding, but it also creates bad habits and when you lose you'll be firmly reminded that this is a multiplayer game first.
The reason is simple his usefulness is tied to his ult; once his ult is on cooldown then he's pretty much useless against anything with even a single ranged ability
@@jaishkhan7442 A buff won't help, it'll lead to him being exactly the same but with higher highs. What do you buff that tackles the inherent flaws of his kit? You can buff his dmg or lower his cooldowns or change any stats you want, but he will still be a squishy melee ADC who struggles against tanks and CC. Buffing him will make him 2x more oppressive against immobile squishes but just as useless vs Leona. So he'll have the same exact struggles but be even more annoying when he's ahead.
@@jaishkhan7442 The thing that most crazy me is how much bruisers and tanks are strong in this season. A lot of ap mage champions who have a LOT of hp and still one shoots. His damage being mostly attack speed focused even when you build galeforce (you don't build essense reaver or hydra anymore, bork either). You are more outsustained than before. Etc etc etc... People don't realize there are a really little amount of casual players of tryndamere, and the people that they seeing crushing in low elo ranks with tryn are a lot of otp who are masters in the champ and try to keep him alive, fogged and yasukeh have helped a lot in this.
Before I watch the video, as a Tryndamere main: - He is widely hated as a character, for his high damage and 1v1/2 power but inability to teamfight, and having the best ultimate in the goddamn game - The most extreme example of a superultimate champion, he has an OP ultimate, an ok E that is only saved by its ridiculously low cooldown if you can crit, a meh W and a Q that is utterly useless past the early game, not even healing for that much. No CC, no teamfight capabilities, his damage only really comes from basic attacks - Although he isn't hard mechanically, he is counterintuitive, and people picking him up for the first time just don't understand what they're doing wrong with him - His power curve is weird. Level one is highly hazardous and RNG-reliant, he is then relatively weak until level 6 where he is super strong, then slowly falls behind unless he can snowball, but comes back roaring in the very late game - He doesn't fit in any elo: in low elo where you want to carry games alone, you cannot sync with your team because 80% of the time the four of them will be de-synced, you can't rely on them to have good vision, and you push in the constant fear that your team just engages 4v5 for no reason and dies, or 3 people just rotate on you and your team does not ping it; and in high elo, where you can rely on your team, well you don't bring much to the table for yourself: no utility, no cc, and no tankiness (aside from your ult but in that case you need to choose between frontlining and then just leaving, and actually doing damage): you're a really selfish champion after all - Splitpushing is not that good in the current meta After having watched: yeah I pretty much agree. The counterintuitivity is pretty well explained in the second point, and so have the other problems. Good job. I will say, in conclusion, that Tryndamere is a champion based more around knowledge than anything else. He's a keep-cool, all-brainer. Feel free to ask me anything you wonder about the champion
As a Trynda main I agree with you. Pretty ironic that a champion with a "braindead" kit requires knowledge and patience to play him more than anything else
Another good thing about his W which also helps with splitpushing is that it locates nearby champions since you can't use it if no enemies are in range. With this you always know if some1 is waiting for you in a bush or is just around a corner
Not gonna lie, this one felt a lot more tame compared to others. Sometimes with this series we realize a character just has it bad on multiple fronts and they can't do much about it like Lissandra, but in Tryndamere's case its more along the lines of "the few downsides that come with playing Tryndamere, but whatever".
It is. Tryd’s wave clear isn’t that bad compared to other similar champs (with his e, he doesn’t even need Tiamat when that still have an active) All he mentioned isn’t really big problems. Team doesn’t understand Split Push? Just do ur thing and team will eventually understand u. The main issue for Tyrd is too easily kited in team fights, and without actual Cc for team fight.
But only the enemy Tryn one trick. The ally Tryn one trick, meanwhile, dies once top and runs it down mid starting from 5 minutes onwards until they decide to finally leave the game if the game hasn't ended yet by 25 minutes.
Tryndamere taught me a lot of stuff about wave management, matchups, towerdives etc. Because he’s so unforgiving, I think he’s one of the best champions to learn the game on. Yes, even more than Garen.
100% agree. He is simple but EXTREMELY unforgiving if an opponent fucks up Plus he is a fun champ that is very forgiving for learning how to split push. Both because of his ult and mobility, but also for how snowbally he is (which has been the only thing in league that's mattered since I started playing)
@@NeuroNinjaAlexander pretty sure "unforgiving" means you can't afford to mess up while playing him not facing him, which is still wrong, 5 seconds of death immunity and the ad debuff is more than enough to turn the tables on the enemy especially if he's an ad based champion
@@ApocalypticFart What? I re-read my comment like 3 times trying to understand what you're talking about in relation to my comment I wrote that if an opponent fucks up he fucks them up. And because of his mobility he is easy to split push on There's literally nothing wrong with either of those statements. Did you mean to reply to me lol
Even though he’s technically viable in almost all ranks, he is not only a bit boring to play due to his stack checky nature (See Trundle) but his main playstyle of split pushing can be outright counted by good enough macroplay, meaning if his main strat is punished, he has to rely on flanking, which is also not great since he’s very kitable.
@@niklas9848 look up Yasukeh here on YT and you'll see why If you don't want to: Ionia Boots for the CDR. ER first for the CDR and Sheen Proc to get Earlier Plates in lane, and plates=money. Money=earlier items. Stridebreaker for a few reasons. Trynd's #1 weakness is getting kited/CC. If you have Phase Rush Active, slows are reduced on you. Stride works to help activate Phase. It also has a slow and helps waveclear. The CDR is great, too.
@@N12015 kinda but its generally because he doesnt have good gank setups so in pro play they can literally just slow push into tryn and dive with the jungler
Calling tryn a stat check champion is selling the champ short and trundle takes skill and is ftun if you play pillar max. If he has ghost hes flanks are very threatening and he can work in high challenger look up rangerzx he consistenly goes to high challenger with solo tryn
I think it's because splitpushers are no longer as prevalent. Everything people want to do now is unga unga teamfight until one team dies long enough so they end the game.
It's so annoying, even if a minor "draw pressure" incidence instead of full split pushing, when you're in one lane, maybe with your jungler securing a kill, and your teammate(s) just roam up to join you because they dont know where to be, and see you're up there. But they joined you too late and get caught out by the whole team rotating for us.
In my opinion as a tryn main, while he is good at split pushing and a great duelist, he can also be used as engage and as a tank for a couple seconds to distract the team if you are fed enough, (at least in low elo), so if you're fed enough you can usually engage in a teamfight and come out pretty much unscathed most of the time.
As a Nocturne main idk what video he should do, hes not overpicked but he has a lot of presence in high elo and hes both or picked or banned in pro league
Riot is actively trying to remove split pushing in it's entirety, because it's effective; trying to promote "team play" but introducing so new many bs 1v5 champs. Riot is so clueless on their own game it's actually laughable.
same, i love him and i even bought the bloodmoon and a chroma for it because I love him so much but I know deep inside that once they rework him, he just won't be the same. if they ever do rework him to the point I won't enjoy it anymore I plan to main sett tho
i'm right now otp, i have 700k mastery points. I too main kayn but with 300 only. Before kayn was my otp, and i used some times other champs (sometimes i use others too, but almost always lose if i don't use Tryn or Kayn xd). I remember the first time i meet tryn, got the nightmare skin in chest, and i tried the champ, i was bronze, i was really really awful playing him, and after i reacher silver almost gold, it was worst. I could not play him well. Then i got another skin, monster hunter . Two skin already and i didn't even play the champ. And i keep just playing him ocassionally, but one of those times i tried, i played really good, i liked so much that game and started to develop a liking to the champ. Then i started to playing one game after other, losing all XD. And playing like shit. I just could not care about it, i just wanted to play him. After some time, i was decent enough, but still not enough and a lot of champions would kill me. Then i discovered fogged, then i discovered some tricks in other places, and i became one of the best otps of the game (i'm really good but my macro game is really bad XD)
Another thing worth mentioning for Trynd is that his R can be cast through cc (even through suppression). I believe this is the only non-cleansing ability in the entire game with this characteristic. If not for this, Trynd might actually be a pretty useless champion. A lot of what Trynd has going for him is that you can't ever stop him from becoming unkillable when he needs it the most (well, unless he fails ult, but that's on the Trynd player). Otherwise it'd be super easy to either kill him while he's cc'd or force him to ult super early, wasting most of the duration of the ult.
As a trynd main starting in season 3 I can confidently say this video show cases the love that hooks you not the current reality. His crippling bane is kite and every champion in the game has a slow. Also about 60% of my games are cloth 5 into a 5 min bramble negating all my juicy stats. Mid is really the only way to have fun and it’s not that great for the champion.
Nobody plays it against me, I permaban him xd, rather face 18/0 Darius than being killed of a lucky ass crit. I know it's probably a waste of a ban slot, but I hate him that much.
I mainly play Tryn but im bringing him in the jungle. His clear is insane if you "intentionally mismanage" your health pool, allows you to pick your fights and get over your items much more smoothly, without being bullied by toplaners. Can also gank pretty well and both smites are amazing on him.
0:16 I myslef do have a lot of stuff against trynda players and I dedicated my entire life to becoming a main director of riot games and than completaly removing or in the worse case just reworking him :)
Love Tryndamere but I 100% agree his design nowadays is lacking, he's just got a massive feeling of being somewhat out of date and out of tune. For such an important character in Freljord's lore, he has 6 boring voice lines and a silly-looking 2012 model. Not to mention this year crits got completely gutted. I just want Junglemere back.
Honestly, I'd be more dejected to find my main in "Why Everyone Plays" then "Why No One Plays-" not that I'd complain since I'm sure the video would be high quality either way.
I'm rank 2 trynd na, loved the video. I agreed with so many of the points you brought up and watching you disect my champ made me feel really happy. Most people just think my champ is braindead and very easy, but it took me a few years before I was able to hold a 65-70% Winrate in diamond. I speak for all trynd onetricks when I say great video!
I need to tell that Trynda feels like champion that needs rework in need future, but Riot don't know how to rework him to not make a situation similar to Aatrox or Kayle reworks. And also i think that Cho'Gath and Corki are in similar spots, there are just enough players that like those characters that they don't want them to be "deleted", but there's cost of being rarely played.
Engagement comment once again! I always forget there’s a Trynda in the game until he carries a fight by refusing to die lol Unfortunately although i hit the notification as soon as i got it, only to learn the video was actually posted 5 hours ago... why, youtube? Show me the content, youtube. :(
please put the name of the background music you use in the description! i keep hearing tunes i recognise but can't remember where they're from and it's frustrating me hahahaha
That’s cuz illaoi sits there and dares you to send multiple people after her so she can wipe them out with her ult. She’s one of the few where you don’t want to send multiple people after her
The best thing for me is how consistent he is on laning phase, if you choose the right runes and build there ir always a way to kill the enemy laner if they mess up. If they play correctly you can always farm with infinite sustain. The worst thing ever is to time your ultimate late game, is very hard to macimize ult demage. if you ult early you dont do enought demage, if you ult late you die, that is the worst for me. It is also bad have to wait to fight with you ult up
oh yes! you forgot an honorable mention: several seasons ago, AP trynd used to be a thing, Foggedftw2 used to abuse it in NA and got to challenger because of it. Riot saw him abusing it to climb, so they nerfed to the ground. 1 person out of the entire NA server lmao.
He's just the perfect one trick Champion in my opinion. Simple kit but still with enough subtleties to not get boring too fast, which means that you reach the point of normally very small, not-so-important minor differences (I'm talking 1-2% on the outcome) in different decisions you take. Which, at least for me, is one of the most fun and motivating things about being a one-trick: squeezing out those last .1% effectiveness out of every situation, min-maxing everything. And I can fully understand that this might not appeal to most of the other players. Also, I am really glad you point out the major differences in playstyle, regarding win conditions and everything. Especially in lower elos, I had that experience countless times: people blaming me for basically focusing on my laning for 15-20 min straight without really doing much apart from maybe one or two short visits at herald or in the enemy jungle, and then basically transitioning to splitting or flanking in team fights. There is no way you get behind the frontline when facing a cc heavy opponent when just running into a team head on. It is way more effective to either wait and play the cleanup crew (dueling, the opponent most likely isn't retreating as a full group of 5), or to exert pressure somewhere else on the map (say splitting on sidelane or even soloing objectives with good q sustain after it is maxed out.
Hey Vars once again an excellent video. Can't wait for the next one you do. Since you already have done Kha'zix's, when will you do Rengar? Also what video category would you say Rengar is in?
I agree 100% with what you're saying. Also, i loved that you pointed out Yasukeh, been using his playstyle a lot. I once got killed by a zed and lost lane because i had 40% crit chance but only got 1 crit in 7 attacks. Feels bad man
So happy to finally see my main boi! I think you perfectly hit the nail on the head, however I'd like to add that season 11 has not been kind to us. The crit changes nerfed him, they removed the auto reset on tiamat, and plated steelcaps make your autos feel like wet noodles until you get IE. However Tryndamere is my favorite champ and I encourage anyone looking to play him to watch NEACE coaching on him as its one of the best learning tools for the Angriest Man Alive
i like trying to come up w/ solutions to fix champs, another vid said he wasn't viable because of lv 3 tower dive gank. So add to pass, gains fury when see new enemy champ, every 3 min cant go below 20 hp for 1/2/3/4 sec, or have tie into his fury so can't die while have 50 fury, but his fury drains. change Q stat bonus from AP to HP, heal per fury point, lower cd/ lower cd based on missing hp. so it effective/ actual heal. W effect enemy AP as well, increase effect based on fury, slow also effect atk speed, destroy projectiles an prevent dmg for .5 sec. E gain 1/2/3/4/5 fury per hit, if over certain fury and or crit chance (3 max), can be used again before going on cd. R, increase max fury pool by 50/100/150, every 50 fury before act increases time by 1 sec, wont fall below 20/35/50 fury(Q will still act as if consumed that)
The simplicity and strategy of the right click. If they full on re-work trynd into a whole other champ that will by my last main down the drain and I will have no reason not to quit league and just play DOTA. I like my simple but calculating right click champs that have clear strengths/weaknesses. Also love Chaos Knight in DOTA. Random stun duration/damage, random pull distance, 33% to crit that varies in crit damage/lifesteal percentage modifiers.
One huge problem that Tryndamere suffers from is crowd control characters. Tryndamere is very ability and melee dependent, and if those two things are cut off, he becomes an easy punching bag. Name any character, ANY character with at least one ability that can either pull, silence, or grab, and he's not only virtually screwed, but also royally fucked. Zoe, Veigar, Amumu, goddamn Fiddlesticks, Sett, Sylas, Morgana, Yone, Ashe, Blitzcrank, Zac, Thresh, Twisted Fate, Tahm Kench, and a lot, lot more characters can fuck Tryndamere players harder then prom night.
I main Trydemere. He has good winrate. Amazing 1v1 potential but strugles in teamfights. In my opinion he's balanced, althought frustrating to play against.A good analogy would be P90 in CSGO. Strong in the low elo but easly countered in the higher.
Trynd was literally my first "get me out of silver" champs and i hit gold 1 with him due to understanding the splitpush and pressuring your opponent into dealing with you. I understood it really well honestly! But yes, your team might not agree or understand so they blame you alot... If you want to climb out of low elo play trynd, look at fogged for items and boxerpete for playstyle, i think the latter is the better of the two mechanically
