I’m a firm believer that when you’re a creator, your intentions when making a piece/product are effectively on full display. And ever since they began, woke writers have always communicated a need for attention and narcissism.
I also believe in this idea. I feel as a writer, what you put down is a fingerprint of your soul, your beliefs, your everything. Depending on the story you want to tell, what you believe in shines through even subconsciously. So all these current day woke stories taking front and center queer messages first over world values second tells a lot about how little they care about anyone but themselves. Even the “heroes” are as self-centered as them and treated like it’s a good thing. Well it’s not,
You hit the nail on the head. The characters they create are gay because they want attention for being gay, not because they're communicating anything compelling in the character.
Dude, The Critical Drinker once said something along the lines of, "Trending Ideas in storytelling eventually fade, but True Storytelling lasts forever." Again, something along those lines.
@@Dan-gs3kg Yep; like how DC Comics used THE REAL OBAMA to represent "the US President", which not only ages the story much faster, but also reveals the creators to be fools when it comes to politics, AND, worst of all, they misrepresent Obama. Obama is portrayed as supporter of our heroes, when as shown at Benghazi on 9/11/2012, Obama would actually throw our heroes to the wolves.
The worst part about Arcee is that one of the guys who worked at Hasbro saw that his daughter liked Transformers, so he made Arcee for her and any other girl that liked Transformers. The fact is that Arcee was made to be an icon for girls, but by making her trans, they're basically taking that from her. And this would be the second time they've done this with her. And guess what? The first time it happened was because Simon Furman(the writer) had a problem with female Transformers, so he made Arcee a MALE character that was FORCEFULLY changed into a female by a mad scientist named Jhiaxus(pronounced ge-axus). Sure, they retconned it later, but it's not a good look to be taking inspiration from someone who's clearly sexist, which is ironic since these same people have a problem with shit like that. And what's worse is that Simon ruined who Arcee is as a character, by making her a cold blooded killer who was even willing to harm her fellow Autobots, and that's not who she is. She's supposed to be fierce, but also gentle, much like in Transformers Prime, where she wanted revenge, just like IDW Arcee, but Tfp Arcee wasn't willing to harm her own friends just to get it, and eventually just let it go. Simon may have done a few good things for Transformers, but still did messed up shit.
Bro, I’m fine with Arcee being a lesbian. Hell, her original G1 voice actor was lesbian. But a forced trans girl? Yeeeeaaaaaaaah. Someone should really start teaching the “sometimes, it’s okay to not explain” rule to the subject of female Cybertronians.
Yup the woke left has gone full circle. Also I'm confused, I thought robots in that universe can't love but are programmed to either protect or destroy. I can't imagine some random robot working under Megatrans comes out as an "Autobot" because Autobots connects their pleasure circuits or something.
@@ravenloh6677 They’re a sentient alien species. Even in G1 they were shown to love and care for one another. So yes, they can have relationships for both genders Though the reprogramming and programming a transformer stuff has died down a little bit over the years.
@@jacksonhopp2003 So are they made of metal or half made of come organic material? Because I remembered the first autobots/decepticons called humans "Organic". I'm assuming Transformers are 100% metal. Can they be easily hijacked by some computer viruses that make them weak?
Honestly the most inconsistent of all the Transformers continuities. It ranged from having the best versions of characters, to full-blown character assassinations like Arcee.
Guide on how to make a woke character: 1: give them a sh1t ton of plot armor 2: give them a sh1t ton of unnecessary pronouns 3: give them an appearance that will satisfy twitter warlo- social justice warriors, not the players 4: give them a voice of VA that 100% matches with character you want to create. 5: Congratulations, you fucked up the franchise! Get yourself a Bud Light and cheer!
I would rather not have them at all. I'm over it. Give me the ability to decide what's in my game. Take Mass Effect 4, for instance. I want them to allow us to decide the sexuality of the characters. This way if you want them to be gay, more power to you. If I don't, more power to me. Everybody is happy, we play the game a lot, DLC gets made, and sequels follow this. If they make the characters woke, i want nothing to do with it, as will be the case with many others. No DLC for you, and no sequels. Yes, that's what happened with MEA. Bugs and animations didn't kill it. Woke agendas did.
@@underarmbowlingincidentof1981 Because you're not asking anyone to act at that moment, nor are you even employing talent. You're basically asking people to phone it in, because they just have to be themselves. For instance: 5 voice actors play every character in the Simpsons. You see what I mean?
The bit about giant robots that turn into cars is spot on A race of sentient beings that essentially have no gender to speak of, and never seek out any particular kind of intimate companionship, shouldn't be worried about human concepts such as body modifications, and gender identities
Logically, they'd want long term companions in the sense of the word itself. Your fellow worker in the factory, or soldier in the trenches, or student at a desk. The person standing beside you. For de-facto immortals like them, trusted companions should be worth the world, and presumably would be the great ideal in their own fiction.
Yeah what the heck was that all about? Y'all are supposed to be making sure cybertron doesn't fall under the clutches of megatron what's all this? What happened to the original plot?
when a woke character comes into a show, its all about a message they want to tell the world about "gender equality" and they forget about the actual plot of the show
People don’t understand story telling anymore if you want a character’s sexuality in your story write it to feel normal in your story like wtf. It’s so goofy creatives don’t do that anymore. They want every story to take place in our world. and not develop the world the creative’s story takes place in. I believe that’s lazy as shit. That’s why I like manga and anime and some western shows.
@@KamiAnimeS1i don't think it's the lack of understanding, but morw that there's so many people that current education and circulation are insufficient to help people properly understand how to write good stories. 😊
These tards insist that she’s actually a man pretending to be a woman too -_- No man could ever look like Samus, the designers actually made a beautiful woman
The trick to making a progressive character RIGHT is for them to come naturally to you. Don't just tack things on like accessories. Let is just be part of them, but not their defining points.
it's called just writing the character, the orientation, and identity are only parts of a greater whole that is a character, if all you have to offer is just that and want the character to obnoxiously remind you of that... you could just replace them with a poster and achieve a similar result which honestly is quite insulative to ppl you want to represent
Just a couple of things to point out about the Transformers section of this video: 1: Arcee was only trans in a single comics continuity. Her origin story in this continuity was that a mad scientist put her through a forced gender reassignment surgery and the physical and emotional trauma from the process drove her completely batshit insane and turned her into a violent sadistic psychopath. Years later, some editor who probably had five gender studies degrees decided that the origin was "problematic," so they cooked up an even stupider and crappier origin story where they retconned Arcee as Galvatron's transgender brother. In every other continuity, she's female (or at least has a feminine-coded chassis.) 2: Again, "budding" was only a form of reproduction in one continuity. It was basically asexual reproduction through mitosis.
Not helped that writer that wrote that, also wrote Arcee as creation by the Autobots to cater to cringe ass feminists in the G1 comics. To that I say… Mate, this is Transformers. Not South Park. You want to make fun of someone’s political beliefs? Do it somewhere that doesn’t impact a character’s introduction or legacy! Plus, there’s the fact that kids were reading this shit! Yeah, the mostly male audience first time seeing Arcee? A creation by feminist stereotypes. Good job…
@@minimalbstolerance8113 I know that, they’re cringe and shouldn’t be pushing for their rights while pushing others down (especially since that goes against the message of what the feminist movement used to be). But how can you fuck up one of the first and popular female transformers characters 2 times. And both times she’s used to making fun of gender politics or certain groups, especially since the TF fandom is one of the most accepting fandoms I’ve ever been in. This is a franchise about giant robots in a huge war or them trying to find a new home after their’s went to shit. Not a cringe boomer comic you see at the back of a newspaper!
I've always loved the way the Japanese did their characters, it was a huge inspiration to me growing up when creating my own characters. Way back in high school I did a little video game based on a comic my brother and I created (currently remaking it). Two of characters (male) were lovers. This was a bit of a shock to a lot of people, but they loved their story and their character. Their sexuality was not treated as important, though you understood why and how they fell in love, it was what they were going through, and how one of them, who starts out as rather racist almost towards the main character (who is part of an alien race despised by many) begins to change. Everyone loved those two characters, and kept asking about them.
That's the point the 'creatives' don't understand. Write a character, that they happen to tick some 'diversity box' should not be important to the character you wrote. See Ripley from Alien, written without a gender and so both men and women auditioned for the part. Weaver did the best job, so it was Ellen Ripley.
@@Sorain1 Exactly, It is funny too, because back then people were shocked that the two characters did not behave in any sort of stereotypical manner. Their relationship was modeled after what warriors of the old world viewed as "ideal", so many were fascinated by this. Today, the weirdo types get angry, because I don't talk about, or focus on their sexuality or try to sell a message lol.
as someone who is looking to take a career in writing, even without the woke content these creators have no flow, all their stories can summed up as "oh and stuff happens with a plot twist and more stuff happens" it's not a story, it's just "stuff happens"
It's because these writers don't have a message other than 'uhhhhh, uhhhhhhhhh, tradition bad!?' They are completely defined by their negation of the established society, they don't have morals or positive aspirations.
@@mechgouki7999he thing is a character being gay, trans, etc isn't necessarily a bad thing. But if you make it their only defining trait then it is tacky. Not only to those who don't like LGBTQ+ but also to LGBTQ+ because they have been reduced to a caricature or a parody not a character. I can understand for example if a person being gay in the 1890s and it is creates a good character driven story that merely doesn't merely just hit the diversity checkboxes then it is fine. However, it is an acquired skill to write a good character that fits on the context. Not to mention trying to fight with executives (something many writers don't have a choice in) Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. In FFXVI there is a gay character but it the writers don't make it a sticking point. It is just a badass with magical powers who just so happens to be gay, he strives for the betterment of his people, he is a highly lauded imperial commander of an elite division, he is a Dominant of Bahamut one of the most powerful summons in FF history. They created a more compelling narrative with this character, Dion, and people overall like him because it isn't forced or shoved down your throats.
This. My problem we supposedly "woke" entertainment isn't with the wokeness. I'm a progressive so I'm fine with diversity and representation. What I'm tired of is seeing how "diversity and representation" so often goes hand in hand with poor storytelling. When I'm looking at what comic books to buy I'll generally avoid anything that prominently features LGBTQ+ characters, not because I'm a bigot but because I want my entertainment to actually be entertaining.
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@ModernGamesSuck you have a point even though I don't think all the devs are as compliant to ESG in Japan as the west is. For example they will minor censor (not saying this is a good thing, but i'd rather this than uglify a character) while in the west they'll completely take the femininity out of females to appease gender ideology. I'm observing Japanese takes on ESG. I got a feeling they won't be staying with it long term, especially now ESG is getting openly debated.
@ModernGamesSuck I agree, I'm just not as certain the Japanese will end up like us because they are reacting at least differently and have us to look at to see where this ends up, and i'll bet some of the Japanese creatives and other foreign creatives elsewhere (i'm british) are aware of this ideology, you'll notice there's a lack of ESG compliance in most eastern European companies, excluding CDProjektRED who went international and got into ESG. This, I believe, was becaue of the influx of Big tech hires between now and Cyberpunk's release. Square, I don't know their story, but Capcom is likely because of Tencent who has a majority Stake in Capcom right now, and the CCP use ESG for their own agenda. They're working with World Economic Forum and have their own agenda as well. You don't see Chinese games having typical ESG, but they 'ESG' their blatant state propaganda in their movies while also using it to censor Taiwan stuff. Back to the content though. I will admit this game is extremely surprisingly in opposition to usual ESG standard of game design, character design and propaganda everywhere else, the Gay character seems to be the only ESG compliant thing so far and I haven't even reached his part of the game yet. I was around 5 years ago so i'm deep into the opposition to Social Justice. I been opposing it since 2012 so I got some familiarity of how the marxist subversion goes. Back in 2016 I quit on Gamergate because I was seeing it subverted from the inside, people starting to say "Social Justice is not the problem, we are for real Social Justice" and I was getting fed up of trying to tell them that that Social Justice was why the issues in gaming were happening. I didn't know exactly where it was coming from at the time, but woke is a Marxist ideology to control and subvert culture. You describe their strategy well. I heard the logic of "character being tastefully done" before, and it always came from people who have some progressive leaning stances or in the centre, and i'm in the centre but on the right being Classical Liberal Conservative (I also don't see things in a left vs right way). I mean, no offense to Endymion and i'm glad he is pointing stuff out and respect him for his beliefs, but he doesn't seem to realize that Representation was crreated to restrict creativity and attack creativity and escapism, which I experienced first hand. It's why I have a dislike of representation. So where am I going with this? I think his description and praise of the character being a good character is acceptable and fine, we ren't gonna agree every time and I think we need to rethink how to avoid falling into the trap they're doing with the minor thing. So my current approach is: 1: We need a consistent standard of what makes something woke: So let's put out a definition: "Woke /wōk/ noun The colloquial term for intersectional ideology. Intersectional ideology is characterized as an ideology routed in Marxist, socialist propaganda integrated into a number of different western social movements based in class, race, sexual preference, identity, religious and political preferences most pronounced in Critical Race Theory, Intersectional feminism and the LGBTQ+, and DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion). The goals and actions of the woke movement can be characterized by a belief that all people belong to either a victim or an oppressor class. There is a hierarchy that assigns virtue or privilege based on perceived group identity and members of the woke movements will form angry mobs to attack others inside or out of the group to destabilize systems, reroute resources to perceived oppressed groups and attack outgroups. In Media, they co-opt creative works to politicize and use Representation to push DEI using characters and storylines, at the expense of the story and characters. Usually this is done by deconstructing the themes and story of beloved characters, or outright replacing them. Writers and believers of this ideology believe in "Representation" which is the belief that a character represents a oppressed class or an oppressor, and should reflect that. Victim status will be used to pressure and control it's believers and outside groups into submission under the guise of being tolerant and empathetic. Activists will use it as a shield to defend against any form of retaliation. The woke activists will lie, manipulate, bully and propagandize others by claiming any opposition is a form of hatred or bigotry. The woke ideology do not recognize any form of objective truths and only aspire to power and 'their truths.' Synonyms: Intersectionality, Social Justice. Marxism. Communism." 2: So with that in mind, I believe we should be smarter or more tactical about our criticism: for example I really enjoy FF16 since it has no other ideological references to woke ideology, and I only know about Dion because people on youtube started mentioning he's gay. I've seen the character twice in two cut-scenes where he transforms into a dragon and fights another guy, then returns to his base to get a battlefield report. I didn't get any gay refrencesfrom those scenes. So if he's just the only thing about this ideology, it's non-woke or mild. Games who follow ESG but don't push it strongly I see as moderately woke. and finally you have propaganda, which is the "go-woke go broke" level stuff. Think Call of Duty or Overwatch. I'm thinking about this because maybe going after the mild stuff over wokeness isn't the best idea.
@ModernGamesSuck wait what? So you are just against gay characters in general? Jesus man why? If you can't accept gay people in literal works of FICTION in a FANTASY setting then that is just really sad.
@ModernGamesSuck Please explain wtf you meant with this then: "Did it ever occur to you that maybe we didn't want to see gay characters in fantasy regardless of how they're portrayed?" because that sounds like "I dont want gay characters in fantasy in general."
FF16 is pretty impressive with its character acting. Small pauses in their dialogue, a slight tone shift, and subtle facial expressions hint at so much for the characters. You really can’t afford to not pay attention during mainline quest cutscenes. I’ve got issues with the game, but I’d be lying if I said it doesn’t impress me far more than annoy me. A rarity in modern, high-budget games.
I remember watching Transformers and thinking how amazing to see humans interacting with giant robots. I never looked at them as having genders because they were alien robots that didn't reproduce like humans. I guess Hasbro has to start showing "pregnant" transformers now in order to even make any concept of "gender" transformers valid. I fear for Optimus getting pregnant one day in a comic. It's fan fiction gone horribly wrong.
@@arkbien9303 Why? It's just a new thing and a show adapts to the people watching it. People were angry about more female characters, then about one voiced by a black dude, and now they are angry about trans characters. Who tf cares? As long as at the end of the day I'll see big robots beating each other up I really couldn't care less. Or do you feel less represented when there are too many female and trans characters?
@underarmbowlingincidentof1981 These are alien robots. It would be like your microwave trying to tell you that it's a male who wants to be a female (or vice versa). It's still a microwave. I'm just trying to understand the logic of this, even if they use "he" or "she" or whatever for these robots. If voice is the only thing to identify them by gender, I would imagine it wouldn't take much to swap the voice modulators out to sound different. Otherwise, I see no pregnant robots because they are robots.
Nice to see the backlash growing and growing. The more these pompous studios resist and cater towards a non existent audience, the more they'll keep bleeding money. Happy July 4th 👍👍💪💪 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@nightmarerex2035 People misunderstand George Soros. He's minor and not involved in entertainment, just funding activism. he'll be backing the france chaos. Blackrock and ESG Investors are the ones that do that, but ever since Budlight and ESG becoming debated, even Larry Fink, head of Blackrock, has admitted they're losing somewhat.
@@EndymionTv Dude James "the map" Gunn is part of the herd .. Bending his knee is the only reason why he still have a job.. And he will lie about anything to get a demographic... Having a topic about wokeness while defending him doesn't add up brah..
whats wrong with doing that? I mean if thats so wrong then any action movie in western places can only have white men or what because thats the main target audience?
Another great example (also from an Eastern studio): Kimberly from SF6. She’s a ninja who loves neon, 80s music and street art. She’s a fully fleshed out, likable character who just happens to be a young black woman. That’s an actual good role model and good representation western studios should (but won’t) take more inspiration from Japanese studios now
Kimberly is a fleshed out character because capcom consulted their black colleagues on how kimberly should be. Which speaks to the representation within game development; if you represent diverse game developers the you get more “meaningful “ “diverse” characters that arent one note; and stilted
@Valentien23 Correct. I think the real issue starts with the studios. Spiderverse is another example where they hired culture consultants as well as talked to Spider India and Punk voices actors(who were indian and a black British man) to help make the characters authentic. You can't except as an example, a Japanese man who has never met or befriend an Nigerian person before to authenticly portray a Nigerian character or fantasy world without doing a lot of research and getting cultural consultants. I feel like the main reason why so many people fail at this is cuz they never cared or were interested in that authenticity, they just want to go "HEY LOOK AT ME EVERYONE, I GOT A NIGERIAN DUDE IN MY GAME!!! SEE HOW I CARE ABOUT DIVERSITY?!"
I saw Rise of the Beasts, and I don't recall any moment where Arcee is mentioned to be transgendered. That being said, there is a far worse example of a woke character in modern Transformers media. In the latest cartoon series "Transformers Earthspark," which is geared towards a younger audience, there is a Transformer called Nightshade, which is expressly a non-binary they/them. They have an entire scene of Nightshade explaining to a child what it means to be non-binary and even one where Optimus Prime is educated on what pronoun to use when addressing them.
"Okay, so what we're gonna do is write a movie about some awesome giant robots from another galaxy that come to Earth and save us from evil, and they can TRANSFORM INT COOL THINGS, like armored trucks, helicopters, super cool cars." "Okay, but what do they identify as?" "What?" "Y'know, what are their pronouns? I can't relate to them if I don't know their pronouns!" "They're literally robots." "Are any of them gay?" "What are y-" "The most important thing in storytelling is making sure people feel represented, especially in a movie about giant robots that smash things up!" "Get the fuck out of my office."
I love Dion. I actually got into an argument with a member of the wokewaffe about how his sexuality has fuck all to do with his personality. He's very complex and entirely relatable. I have nothing in common with this identity but I relate to him a lot. On a similar note, and ironically, Kotaku entirely dismisses Jill's journey and personal growth as irrelevant because she's pretty, and if you ask me, that's as anti-feminist as it gets. It's thanks to Jill that Clive was able to accept his past and grow as a character. I doubt Clive would've made it that far by himself. The beauty of a power couple.
A homosexual prince/princess/noble who can't break out of his shell, being forced to marry someone they hate, eventually breaking the shackles and going their own way in life is an amazing trope imo. I remember a Japanese light novel story about a young princess who was in love with her maid, but forced to marry a fat rich duke. Her entire character was built around this topic, rebellion against the system, individuality, questioning existence and social constructs that make you unhappy - instead of marrying the guy she hated she ran away with the maid, she was a fencer instead of a proper lady with etiquette, she always got in trouble for her behaviour, people trying to abuse her shaped her personality. I'd love to see that trope more
Ok but it wasn’t. Jill’s presence made him protect her and finally walk a different path (he could have done this at any point, even without Ifrit he can take on an army) but she had little to nothing to do with Clive’s acceptance of himself. Clive and Jill’s “experiences” since the fall of Rosaria are boring because we don’t know what happened to them, it was all off screen and just described as “the horrible things they made me do”, and even then it falls in deaf ears when Clive is strong enough to take down entire groups by himself and Jill was a god of Ice that could destroy entire civilisations if she so pleased. They both say and took the punishment, for no reason. They chose to do as they were told because what Jill did in the end where she storms the mother crystal and kills the priest..she could have done that at any time.
Wasnt it retconned that Arcee was trans ages ago? Its not the first time that gay Transformers have existed but those relationships typically ended in tragedy and death (go figure, they're in the middle of a war). I can't remember which comic it was, but I believe one of the relationships ended when one of the Autobots involved was torn apart by a member of the JDL. To those curious, the JDL is effectively the Waffen Schutzstaffel of the Decepticon ranks. Each member transforms into either a type of torture device or an execution device. Its pretty cool honestly, though not as cool as The Fallen who was a walking blast furnace originally, I believe
Critical Drinker did a similar video. Mostly focusing on today’s definition of “Strong Female Characters”, but it applies to men also. Basically, woke characters aren’t relatable. They’re flawless and don’t have an uphill climb so to speak. Normally a character has flaws and challenges. As the story progresses, the character overcomes these challenges and learns a lesson by the end. Today’s movies completely skip that and is widely promoted by people like Kathleen Kennedy who focuses on women overshadowing the male characters
exactly. you know that "reject x, embrace y" meme saying that has ben going around? We should do one for writing: Reject Representation, embrace relatability.
@@ni9274 incorrect. Woke characters are communist propaganda and don't have flaws, that's why we don't like them. Final Fantasy 16 has some of the best written women this decade.
@@ArgentWolf95 Communist propaganda ? How having no flaws has something to do with communism ? And why you don’t call male characters who have no flaws woke ?
@@ni9274 communists created the very beliefs you believe in kid. Diversity, inclusion, representation, equity, gender ideology, feminism, Queer stuff, making drag queens an identity in LGBT. The concept of making a character a *representation* is the communist propaganda. This means "strong female characters" have rules of what the can and can't be written like. They have their name too, it's called Gary Stu, and woke ideology does not like male characters because woke ideology sees the identity of man as always an oppressor. So they don't make Gary Stu's. Actually try and learn what we are teaching you instead of being ignorant.
Dion unironically was my favorite character outside of the core (Clive, Jill, gav, cid, a certain returning character you (the player) reunite with under drake's tail. He was written very well and wasn't lecturing us about his lifestyle. Nor did his relationship feel forced. Like you said, he's the shining example of what any LGB character should be
Not only gm did he have the best boss fight in the game but also has the best send off when (spoilers so don’t go into the bottom alright) He dies in such an awesome scene of pure valor facing off against god himself to save the main character and his brother
I don’t mind lgbtq+ characters but they have to have more personality than just “I’m gay” or “ I identify as blank and that’s my only personality quirk”
Impossible though. Any gay character is going to be the way you described. Otherwise, why even point out that they are gay? I didn't know about prince dion being that in FF16. Now im certainly not paying for that game lol
@@randalthor6872 A gay character can be likeable. The protagonist of Ang Lee's Wedding Banquet--Patroclus in the Song of Achilles--the man who puts a gun in his mouth minutes into the film Cloud Atlas. Alan Turing from Imitation Game. Homosexuals are *humans* first and foremost. You have to make them part of the human condition which is a lot more than sexuality and more universal than sexuality. The truth is that woke creators understand humanity even less than those they accuse of as being hateful, and they stereotype diverse characters harder than those they accuse of being hateful.
Why can’t it just be balanced and live & let live? It’s almost as if the powers that be glorify most everything non straight almost to the point of obsession..
@@randalthor6872 In Cyberpunk there was a trans character and it was only mentioned once when you got deeper into their quest and its not shoved down our throats. Rare for that to happen yes but occasionally it will
My playthrough of 16 right now. Honestly Jill is still a big part of why Clive is still sane and holding on, she's very important even if she doesnt hold main character status.
I think the problem is more so jrpg females character arcs normally evolve around helping their male counter parts instead of having their own end game goals, ambitions, and stories that don't have to deal with their love interest. Their stories normally always end with them supporting their man one way or another while he has story shit to do. Now I personally cope this up to the female not being the main character, as I read plenty of Shojo battle manga like Yona of Dawn for example and the roles are reversed. I think it's more a "she is not the main character" thing than a sexist thing. But then again other stories like across the Spiderverse, Berserk, and Vagabond don't have this problem so what do I know?
@@froggylegs1499 It's just a story choice and character archetype, I don't really understand what the problem is, because Jill still has her own storyline as well. It's also culturally Japanese tradition. Her story is about the themes of slavery, vengeance, and redemption. Both Clive and her are fighting for a cause they believe in, that Cid gave his life for. (she's the right hand of the Cid faction as far as I am concerned)
@@froggylegs1499 It's not that Jill doesn't have her own goals. She went through the same stuff as Clive, and so her goal to make a better world for bearers and dominants is the same as Clive's. Their goals align so it makes sense for her to want to support the person most likely to succeed.
Just beat FF16, and Dions character arc was AMAZING! You don't even pay attention to his sexuality, he was just an amazing character. Square Enix did us all a great favor.
As a writer, my motto on this subject is “diversity when it makes sense.” That means putting characters of certain identities in settings where they could logically fit in and not pull a “Battlefield V”
Zeek Arkham said it best with regards to the previous controversy surrounding the Transformers: Earthspark series. "We really went from Transformers: The Movie, where Megatron murdered Ironhide by shooting him in the face with his arm cannon, to Transformers with pronouns. Woke culture ruins everything." And he’s right. The last great Transformers series was Prime, where Arcee was a kick ass female and the series didn’t have an ideology shoved in your face. Christ I miss the G1 days….
@@AwesomeShrekkuside from the animation errors and typical "Megatron’s evil plan of the week plot”, it had more heart and soul than what constitutes as now.😎
I miss the 2000s and early 2010s era of Transformers. Just like with Star Wars, that was the last period of greatness before the woke plague infected the franchise in full force.
@@xgray2012 And they'll try to rebut with something like "it's just one small change, unless you're a bigot it shouldn't be so important to you". Except that same idea can be thrown back at them: if it's not something important, why bother changing it in the first place?
Woke Media: This character is X Y Z even before the movies comes out The Left: OmG sTuNnInG aNd BrAvE In Conclusion: How to make gays characters right: Let audiences figure it themselves instead of "In your face" approach
any actual 'XYZ' person and/or leftist ive ever known is tired of it too and also hate companies doing shit like that. only people saying like stunning and brave are weird article website writers that aint seen the sun in 5 years man, like i get the point but bro dont group an entire political group that represents like a third of the population as being some braindead zombies that fall for all that "diversity" stuff
I’ve been playing for about 40 hours now and I’m having a blast, square was being blasted for little representation, and right then they could have told people about the gay character for digital brownie points but they kept their heads down made the game they wanted, so I have to commend them for that because they knew you never feed the trolls. After all who are we to be lecturing Japanese developers about western sensibilities? Games media needs to hurry up and die off, I’m sick of them.
I am 30 hours in FFXVI and I keep being baffled at this narrative that this game is not diverse!!! At every chapter there is diversity and very well written women and middle eastern inspired and looking characters, making me more and more convinced these people haven't gone past the trailer. People don't care about diversity if it is well implemented well in the story and the characters are more than what would label them diverse; it's not rocket science and yet ... When people start shipping or more ROBOTS you know these people are not right in the head.
@@EndymionTv I can't wait to see where it goes and Jill is honestly one of my favourite characters. As a woman who's been playing video games for decades seeing compelling strong diverse women in one game is a breath of fresh air.
It's not diverse in the specific way they want. They want diversity of appearance, not thought. I was a good "diverse" hire because I look different, but had all the same viewpoints. Diverse institutions aren't remotely diverse in actuality
Most of them are self inserts from the writers who lack the knowledge and creativity to do anything unique and different. Which is why a lot of films are currently failing. Lol
@@EndymionTv I have new and creative ideas for screenplays? But because I don’t insert myself into the stories I write? I’m probably not the type of writer most studios want. Lol
@@ViperChief117 Maybe they don't want you as a write because you use question marks randomly throughout the text... I bet you'd get loads of contracts in 2007 tho.
I still don't understand how game and movie/show writers of the west don't understand the simple concept, if you want to make a good LGBTQ character you simply make a good character that just happens to be a member of the LGBTQ group, not a character whose personality is that they are LGBTQ. Some writers try to find an easy way out of this by making a character that was popular and well written into a LGBTQ character, but the problem there usually is that they were established as not being that and afterwards their personality becomes that they are LGBTQ+. For example in DC comics Tim Drake the 3rd Robin. He was a very popular character, especially in the 90s he even had his own book that rivaled spiderman (to be fair spiderman was a different guy then so it was easy for DC to swoop in there and get the teenage crowd up), but in recent years they made him Bi-sexual and his whole story about him and his girlfriend that came to a very nice conclusion was ruined because they broke up off panel and there was never a reason given for it, in the games all they can talk about is that they need to support him during pride marches, and that he has a boyfriend now. While here as Endymion shown us a good LGBTQ character who feels real and his struggles and story don't revolve around him being gey
Meghan Fitzmartin, the woman who decided to make Tim Drake bisexual in the _Batman: Urban Legends_ anthology title, was given a Tim Drake solo book to continue her story. It was awful and only lasted 10 issues. The comic was yet another example of a company making representation the goal instead of entertainment. It didn't help that between the _Urban Legends_ stories and the beginning of _Tim Drake: Robin_ Fitzmartin wrote _Dark Crisis: Young Justice_ that prominently featured Drake alongside the rest of his former teammates. That title wasn't just bad, it straight up insulted the guy who wrote Young Justice in the 90s and fans of that series. It was infuriating.
Understand the "gay stuff" is why HASBRO pulled their licenses for TRANSFORMERS, GIJoe, and MLP from IDW. It cratered sales of the book, and made those venerable properties toxic and unappealing to collectors, fans, and parents of children. The toy sales have differing issues, along the lines of quality and pricing, but don't expect a classic Gung-ho or Shipwreck figure anytime soon.
As a Transformers fan, that section gave me a headache. In the IDW Comics Arcee gets a "sexchange" by a crazy scientist to see how the sexless race reacts to it. This was written by a fairly unwoke author years ago. Only later was the story reinterpreted as a gender reassignment gone wrong. The anode and lug story didn't come until years later. So to say they were the first is factually incorrect. There are many interpretations of Arcee and at no time has it been officially confirmed that the version from the Rise of the Beast film is trans like the IDW version. "Budding" a mitosis-like form of asexual reproduction. It only takes one Transformer, not two. And all events related to the IDW Comics that have been mentioned are at least 6+ years old. You make it sound like something recent. And big surprise: Rule 34 also applies to Transformers. Who would have thought?
IDW was a curse on the Transformers mythos. Simon Furman's a badass. He made fun of feminists in the 80's when they demanded female transformers and he responded to the criticism that his depiction of Arcee being angry that he was mutilated against his will was 'horribly insensitive to trans people' by simply not caring.
In fact, I seem to recall Mairghread Scott accusing Simon Furman of hating women for that portrayal - further evidence that she has little idea of how hardcore science fiction works as a concept - especially when it comes to anything or anyone alien to the human experience.
Actually in the IDW comics Arcee used to be male but got turned into a female against their will...and it resulted in Arcee becoming a batshit killing machine to boot and not happy about the change. That was in the previous IDW continuity. Edit: Also the budding thing isn't anything like you said. It's literally asexual reproduction. It's like cells splitting into more cells, but in this case it's from another Cybertronian.
Another thing about budding is that it had negative effects on each newer generation of transformers from making each newer transformers drift farther and farther away from Primus's influence and unintentionally created the swarm as by product.
@@CommanderBohn Except that they then merged with the Matrix and Became the Vok, so then the question becomes whether that was a negative end after all.
@@tvnetworks6610 To me a lot of the bad character is the writing. I'll give you a personal example. I'm in a wheelchair, to me you write a "normal character" that just happens to be in a wheelchair. The only exception to that is if the point of the show is to focus on that character & really dig into what someone like me deals with on the daily. Most of my friends actually forget about me being in a wheelchair until it comes to getting in a vehicle or something.
@@Nathan_Coley this is a great explanation as to why I hate the American "representation." I also have a disability, but I don't want to be reminded of it. i' rather it not have existed, so i'd rather not play a character who "looks like me." I'm not in a wheelchair though
Yeah….As far as I concern, in the IDW comic, Arcee was conceptualized as the only female Transformer. She was forced into a sex change experiment by Jhiaxus to introduce “gender” to the Cybertronian. In the later years, it was retconned that male and female Transformers were a thing all along so Arcee’s backstory was rewritten as “willingly allowed” Jhiaxus to experiment on her, to become her “true self”
Flashgitz already did this joke, where they gave megatron giant boobies so he could be imune to critisism, then gave starscream a brightly coloured wig
Also worthwile to mention series like Sailor Moon and Revolutionary Girl Utena were super popular in Japan during the 90s, and both feature lesbians. The second even as the main fucking character lol.
Anime had good lgbt characters 20 years before Nick released TLOK and 30 years before Disney released Strange World. So who's the bigoted ones, twitter?
yeah and the same people were angry about them being "woke" that are now angry about other "woke" characters... it isn't new and the hate is not either.
@@underarmbowlingincidentof1981 I'm a Native American bisexual. I'm the kind of person the actual bigots would happily lynch. Don't confuse people complaining about forced diversity (racial or sexual) and actual bigots. Otherwise you're part of the problem.
@@underarmbowlingincidentof1981 In my opinion woke means that big corporates of entertainment industry or any field for this matter wants to representation to all the minorities around the world because they think all the people of colour, gender, cast, creed except for white people are incapable of doing or proving themselves of anything and these corporates think that they are providing a helping hand to the minorities but they represent the minorities in all the wrong ways possible. In reality most of the world doesn't need representation at all. They act like they support poor, black, Asians and many more people but then comes their hypocrisy because in reality they just want money, fame, and power over others because in reality if they really wanted to help people then they would do welfare for society rather than making shit movies or games whose sole purpose is to push their agenda. A recent example is the writers and actors strike if they want to provide a helping hand then pay writers and actors and give directors creative freedom.
Arcee in transformers is a female, and I will never except the idea of it being a transgender. We do not have to conform to what they are trying to do. I, myself and many others will stop purchasing anything to do with any franchise that has to do with this garbage. It needs to stay out of our schools as well. I would hate to see this in my child’s school and then I show up.
Square Enix really seems to be hitting the nail on the head with these types of characters. From your description, Dion reminds me of Sylvando from Dragon Quest XI, who is this foppish, fabulous guy, but the fandom loves him because he's more than just a gay representative to the cast, he has complexities and valor outside of whatever his preferences may be.
Little fun fact that Heard about Arcee and it's that in the comics she was originally a male put was forced to be female by a mad scientist because they didn't have any female on Cybertron but they retcon that to hell and back
As a transformers fan I feel somethings need clarifying. One the transgender Arcee is a product of IDW. Original G1 Arcee was presented as female from the start. The in fact her, Elita 1 and all the other females of G1 were pushed to be part of the cartoon and comics because the daughter of one of the writers loved the transformers so he wanted to create a female one for her. Second budding is a process presented in the short lived G2 comics. The most prominently used reproductive method used is the well of all sparks where the creator Primus generates a spark (their version of a soul) that is bonded to a kind of liquid metal (The source of which varies) that then forms the new bot.
Kotaku claiming pretty women have it easy because they’re always expected to be smart and kind is ignorant to the decades of media portraying pretty women as vapid bimbos. The only time you’ll find a pretty woman not stupid is when she also has the tough guy persona and “don’t need no man” attitude.
The issue about woke characters is not the LGBT in general. People do not want the wokeness being pushed into their face and make it a main topic about. In western games they making these characters often very unlikeable, arrogant or like "I am better than you all, because of my gender/sexuality".
that's just a bad character. The people here are angry about "woke" characters. Thats any bad character who is also gay, black, jewish, female, or otherwise part of a vocal minority.
As someone who doesn't have any LGBTQ characters or supports them, I can definitely say, without a shadow of a doubt, I can write them better than most writers, and I'm not even employed at the moment.
They put characters that check boxes because they live their lives checking boxes. Forget content of character; they define everything on outside appearances. That's why they love it when people say what they like to bang. They take that as a code for outside items to be applied to the person. For example- in order of importance Lesbian > Asian > Female > Person
@@randalthor6872 bro its mindsets like this that drive the wokes insane and continue to spew their bs. Dion is gay and thats it, he isn't forced on you with his sexuality like stated in the video. He is flawed but still likable To dismiss him just cause he is gay is exactly why these nutjobs never shut up in the first place and want gay romance over story.
I really hated that when they did that to those two characters, I was looking forward to it into not having pride flags I just hate that ugly flag so much... hope James Gunn doesn't follow it
Okay, that journalist wasn't paying attention while playing Final Fantasy 16. Jill was a very well-defined character, I'm not going to spoil anything major. After the first mission where you meet her as an adult, you instantly notice that she is a very motherly protective figure. Who has gone through a lot of suffering I want to be a supportive figure
Whoa whoa whoa. A woman that's a "motherly protective figure"? That simply won't fly in this day and age. FF16 might as well have all the female characters be the property of men.
One Piece did a good job with the so call trans or non binary characters, I guess you would call them that. They were well written and were interesting. At the time they were introduce I didn't care about their sexuality, I was more interested in the story.
Ah yes, princess peach has no story... And Mario does..... You can't make up how stupid these people are. Nintendo chose not to give too much on those characters so you could just play the game. Now, they'll milk cinematic universe, because they know just how much we want to know about a character, without going overboard.
"Diverse characters" aren't limited to the sexuality and the colour of someone's skin. FF16 has diverse characters, their personalities, traits and backgrounds are what make them diverse. If you can't embrace that because they're white then that just makes you deadset racist
haha you sound like one of those kpop fans where the band is five exact copies of another with mildly different hair styles or shirts and then they scream about how "diverse" they are and how "quirky" and colorful it is.
@@underarmbowlingincidentof1981 says the guy who attacked someone for enjoying a character's content over their race and calling out the actual racists. You're just the type of person I'm talking about and you should ashamed.
I personally have no issue with characters being gay/ trans or whatever as long as the characters are written well. For example, Bonnie and Marceline from adventure time. And I will defend that. Bad example? Korra and Asami from the legend of korra.
Don't forget about Sylvando from Dragon Quest. He's a knight, an entertainer, and great comic relief, while also being homosexual. The game might not explore his sexuality, but the tropes surrounding him suggest that he's homosexual.
Thankfully, the TransFormers live action movie version of Arcee is definitely female, and even though Nightbird in ROTB is voiced by Michaela Jaé Rodriguez, the character is definitely female, and not transgender. 💡 Where the identity politics really come into play in the TF franchise is in the IDW G1 comics, and in the current EarthSpark series, where a character named Nightshade really is non-binary. As expected, it was the character's defining trait (and a possible self-insert for showrunner Mae Catt), and it's a major reason why I'm ignoring that incarnation. 🚫
I despise Wokeism but I wouldn't like these movies much better if the propaganda pushed Heaven's Gate, flat earth or whatever. For me the biggest problem is the number of story and character concessions they have to make in order to push The Message. In fact, in many woke Marvel movies I found the non-stop comedy to be worse than the Wokeism for spoiling the experience. For example, the non-stop quips mean the actors pretty much have to portray the character as not reacting to danger as if it is dangerous to be consistent. When villains do "funny angry" instead of "dangerously angry" it pisses me off. How can the audience think the situation is dangerous if the characters don't treat it as such? I'm very high on any "target audience scale" for these movies, but am no longer interested in watching a propaganda piece pushing a belief system I despise and is also kinda a poor comedy movie the way characters and danger aren't even meant to be taken seriously very much. It is probably worse that they don't go all the way to at least make it a better comedy if they already have heros quip at "danger" and even the "scary" villains do funny-mad and then bump their heads and fall down like clowns and shit.
I thought Dion was a very well done character, y'know, the Japanese has done this LGBTQ stuff way longer than Westerners, which is why they barely know to balance story and representation these days. Happy July 4th.🇺🇲🇺🇲
Yep. Whenever someone calls anime bigoted I always point out that it portrayed healthy homosexual relationships a good 30 years before the west decided it was cool.
Exactly!!! Japan understands that traditional love family and values is what sells not giving everyone a piece of the pie just because especially when it'll never be enough for them. Heteronormativity will always be the way to go why? Because the audience knows what they are getting and are ok with it. I'm a Democrat saying this.
Double commenting here because I just got to kotaku's Jill take. I have no idea what they're talking about when time and time again throughout the story, Clive has gone out of his way to prioritize her and let her be her own person instead of tell her to fall in line and push her aside. I honestly think they saw she was straight and decided the rest didn't matter.
I am preatty sure that they decided that arcee will be trans after the movie came out because there was no lines of arcee or anyone saying she's trans UPTADE: hey so the idw trans arcee came out in 2008 and infact they lost the liscense in 2022 and while looking for information on arcee i saw a image that said that they were refering to the idw arcce not rotb arcce UPTADE 2: so i discoverd that it's nightbird's voiced actor thats trans
the thing about arcee wanting to be trans is actually a retcon, initially arcee was forcefully turned into a female transformer until the explanation was changed a few years ago
You know, I kept being told and hearing that the push for homosexual normality had nothing to do with sex. It had everything to do with being allowed to love whomever you wanted without judgement. Well I think we can definitely say that their actions state clearly and unequivocally that this all has nothing to do with love and everything to do with sex.
Pushing for people to be able to love who they happened to be attracted to (provided its between consenting adults) without being judged, shunned or 're-educated' was the original purpose behind the LGBT community. But you are right, nowadays it seems to be all about perversion. Though I suspect that has more to do with the recent generations being hyper-sexual in general and never quite outgrowing puberty, then the community itself.
i haven;t play FF16 but Arcade Gannon and Veronica from New Vegas are another gold standard of making gay/lesbian character. They aren't defined with what gender they preferred to date, but their whole personality, dreams, likes, dislikes, allegiance, etc.
Whenever i watch transformers i dont think about them as having all this human type shit as they are mechanical organisms i see them as a species fighting to save their world from death by their own who have destroyed it over horrible actions done to the world
I haven't touched FF16 yet but I was really apprehensive about Dion when I heard he was gay. SE might be an Eastern company, but they've been hiring more Western employees and it seems that's where the infestation started. So, I fully expected something of bad taste. Glad to hear he's not that bad. Also Happy July 4th!
I freakin' love Dion, man, and it's just as Endymion said, it's because he's a really compelling character that just so happened to be in love with a guy. Same goes with the game's female characters: they are written with flaws and challenges to overcome, goes through the journey of character development, and comes out stronger afterwards. Basically "strong female character" done right.
Don't let this video fool you. It's just copium. Dion is included for social engineering. It's gross and it's woke as hell. People making excuses for it are doing so because they want to play ff16 and still fool themselves into thinking it aligns with their anti-woke preferences. Our side has no backbone.
Unfortunately, our distaste is one of the very things that spur them on. They feed off of it which means the only way this ends is when we finally move on.
In regards to the transformers part of the video; I've always just chalked up transformers looking the way they do due to personal preferences or factors outside of their control and left it at that
Really don't care how well developed a character is, many of us are beyond sick of and burnt out on this whole gay agenda and having it constantly shoved down our throats. Too bad SQENIX, you haven't learned the lessons of Target, Bud Light, Kohl's, Activision and why they are in deep financial trouble. Or the reason why Disney movies keep failing left and right. Now it's your turn SQENIX... As much as I have enjoyed the Final Fantasy series in the past, looks like I'm going to have to pass on FF XVI
Making diverse characters isnt making diverse characters. Making woke characters is making a character who just repeats he is diverse I understand why some people say NickFury is woke in Segret invasion, He complaim with rhodey that "the ones look like us dont have to work under" And other things based on race. He was the head of one of the most powerfull military complex in fiction That always was potrayed as a badass ( rhodey got away with so much stuff too at level at breaking the law) Now complains about this stuff?
These companies need to man up and keep it the way things were. If it’s not broke, it doesn’t need to be fixed. But if you try to fix something, that’s not broken you’re going to end up with something broken and nobody’s going to want it other than the minority that doesn’t matter.
Comic Characters 1930-2016: Heroes saving children from sexual predators Comic Characters today: Sexual predators stealing children from their parents. And they wonder where "leave kids alone" comes from. 🙄
as a transformers fan , idw ruined transformers comics , forcing there ideas and politics on the characters constantly, making stories solely about how x character is gay and etc instead of the great stories that could be told
"Princess Peach" "Too hollow to understand" "Less Dialogue" Have these people even played a Mario Game outside of the 2D platformers? Games like the Mario & Luigi franchise and Super Princess Peach make it pretty damn clear that Peach is a very strong and capable woman, only needing to be rescued because Bowser is powerful enough to take on entire kingdoms singlehandedly. It's a very different story to your character being "weak" to someone just being stronger. No one who's player any Mario Games could call Peach "weak."
I didn’t even know Arcee was considered trans. That’s literally the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. If you watch the movie, you can see that it has zero affect on her character and it’s not even mentioned (unless I’m dumb as hell and didn’t catch it after watching the movie twice). This just proves they’re just making shit up just to please a certain group rather than sticking with the lore of the given universe🤦♂️
