@@jonlamontagne On pure performance alone Lewis and Charles have been proven to run the gauntlet with Max. Charles does it better than hamilton does but both have the measure of Max where as no other driver on the grid does.
Its just the fairest assessment. Lewis has history with Max so yeah. Leclerc is the only other driver on the grid who has bested max in some races/instances @@jonlamontagne
Oscar will be, he currently isn't. I think after the summer break will be a big tell for where Oscar is at, I think theres a very good chance Oscar finishes 3rd in the WDC and begins to even things out with lando
I am a massive Oscar fan, but a win is a win. Doesn't matter how it came about. If you want to make that argument, Oscar only won because Lando let him pass. It can go both ways that argument
@@mattcecil6692 Lando got ahead with team orders.Lando was pole position in that race and losed his position.Oscar losed his position becasue of team orders.He totaly deserved that win.If Lando didn't let him pass,It would have huge robbery from McLaren.They did get that too so thats why they did blackmail their ''championship contender'' driver for that.I think also fear of a losing Oscar.
I have a theory that someone who is in a very powerful position in the world is using the men in black memory wiper on you guys because you seem to have forgotten that 2019-2022 McLaren was not capable of winning consistently or at all really. Daniel only won his race at McLaren due to max and Lewis colliding. If they hadn’t of collided, then McLaren wouldn’t of have a shot at a 1-2. Sochi is the only race I will back down on because lando could’ve indeed won that. There is a reason why McLaren was known as “best of the rest”. So lando has been in since 2019 with a car not able to win races (the odd opportunities here and there, just like with gasley and Ocons win). Oscar on the other hand, has been in since the start of 2023. First half of the season, their car was extremely bad, the latter half, they were confidently known as the second best team able to at least catch up to redbull (Brazil being one example). 2024 is the first time lando has had the opportunity to consistently win races. Granted he has been screwing up, but I don’t see Oscar anywhere fighting for pole or a win in landos place in those times lando screwed up. Lando in for 4 and a half years with a non consistent race winning car. And close to 1 and a half year of a good race winning car. Oscar in for half a year with a non consistent race winning car. And close to 1 and a half year of a good race winning car. You sound stupid.
This season has shown the whole f1 community why Lewis is the greatest. People seem to forget all the competition he has had throughout his career and yet he has 105 wins and 201 podiums. All these other drivers, including Max, are witnessing how hard it is to win when there are other cars other than your teammate that you need to compete against to win races and championships. That’s why Lewis is the GOAT. Lewis has only had no competition other than his teammate in 2014-16. And his teammate was great so he still had to fight hard for those victories and championships. I rest my case.
Lol, what about Alain Prost, Clark, Senna,... and even Verstappen himself who won multiple races even in seasons he didn't had necessarily the best car (including this year, the McLaren is data wise the fastest car on average since the Miami GP, yet he won the Spanish GP, the Canadian GP, the Emilia GP,...)? Of course Hamilton is one of the greats, you didn't needed to wait this season to understand how good he is (anyone that follows F1 since his debut and realize Hamilton's talent only now are, well, a bit retarted imo), but you guys (Hamilton's fans) always talk about his brilliance like it was never showcased before. It's kinda the same thing as the Senna's fans (he was unbelievable, but he is easily the most overrated F1 Legend there is) In my all time F1 ranking: 1. Prost 2. Schumacher 3. Fangio 4. Hamilton 5. Senna
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 that’s your opinion and I respect it, I think you’re missing my point, which is people constantly down playing Hamiltons talent and achievements, and saying he’s not good it’s the car or other narratives similar to that. But those same people are turning around and praising people like Norris, who has shown how much improvement he needs and this season is exposing that.
@@MrGtubedudeur just as bad as the people ur criticising. In ur first comment u downplay maxs achievements when maxs car was closer to the rest of the grid when he was dominant than Lewis’ car.
Lando has to make that number 1 spot his. That means win races because the car is there.Its embarrassing he has less 'wins' than Oscar. There is no shortcuts to this.
@devanshtiwari2807 not yet, because piastri is actually giving it his best and is still behind norris who wasn't able to pull himself together if they get norris back to performance, that will be their biggest chance
I do think Oscar is going to soon surpass Lando. He's a quick study and just needs some more time in close racing to figure out how to stay a front runner. Give him just 1 more season and he'll come into his own.
After Spa, I don’t think Oscar has a tyre management issue anymore. The rate that Oscar was catching Lewis was impressive. He may not yet have the capacity to do a one stopper like George, but he’s not away from that level.
@@anderajohn133 Agreed. Oscar has huge steps in tyre management over the last six races. Most people hadn’t realised until Spa, when Oscar went after Lewis in the closing stages. I get the feeling that Christian Horner sees Oscar a bigger threat to Max than Lando.
This is your first vid I came across and enjoyed every minute. Clear, informative and entertaining. I'm a Mclaren fan and agree with everything. Lando is on the cusp of being there but there but lacks the experience of fighting at the front. Aggressive on track but everyone's friend off it and there's no doubt he's hungry for it but he's not Max. Max has a killer instinct and the skill to back it up. He has an aura especialy when he's in a faster machine that says "get put my way or it could end bad for both of us" and psychologicaly other drivers don't want to compromise their race. However it turns out in the future at least for now Sundays just got a whole lot more entertaining lol. Keep up the good work you earnt yourself a subscriber
Oscar ceiling is higher that LANDO because Oscar won races n Championship as a kid "driving a RC car" it takes great hand n eye coordination to drive those cars fast!! Ah guess who grew up racing RC cars before they got into a shiny new go-kart?? Glad you asked! One SLH 7XWDC!
You still don't get it!! The rule states to not move under braking, Max moves first & brakes very late. That's smart but why would haters care. F1 is about finding loopholes & Max is one driver who truly implements that in racing rule too but everybody just jumps the gun taking it a whole different conversation. He's truly a misunderstood genius of F1 driving, Alonso isn't far off either.
Nobody is on Max for pushing the limit but there’s a limit for a reason. Moving under braking, regardless of IF you are braking or not is dangerous. Simple reason is they don’t got brake lights so a lot drivers depends on the other to do so in the “braking zone”. Not to mention closing speeds are super fast. Can’t be moving somewhat unpredictably because it’ll just lead to an accident
@@keanurobinson397 Max does NOT move when braking. He also does not stop braking to move an restart braking. This is proven from the collected data from his car (black box collection of data I would say) He just moves and starts braking after he moves. That is , due to rules, not forbidden and also (he keeps his speed when he moves) not extra dangerous.
@@reiniernn9071 I’m not talking about literally moving while braking. It’s moving whilst in the braking zone. You really can only move once to defend but in the braking zone when closing speed can be super quick, darting to block a move 9 times out of 10 leads to a collision
@@keanurobinson397 Then sent a letter to the F1 stewards to change the rule that moving in the brakingzone is not allowed. Because complaining about someone who just is driving following the rules is the same as giving a normal person a ticket for wrong parking when he is on a parking place.
@@reiniernn9071 yes that’s why I mentioned the single move to defend. Once a driver moves twice or more then it’s a problem. At what point does it cross from moving to swerving, that’s why it’s a rule regardless if it’s written in regs or not.
Good to see you back pumping out videos Ben. Missed your content! Hope you've been doing well Edit: 6:27 wow the video went left for a hot minute there 😂
Tbh the current McLaren is nowhere near as dominant as Hamiltons car in 2020 or Verstappens in 2022-23. It is also a stretch to say that “They have the fastest car from x race constantly.” Thank god, we are in an era for 2024-25, where teams are really close, which means the fastest teams on paper rotate almost every race. Undoubtedly, McLaren is the fastest at a lot of races this season, but even then its not dominant at all (apart from Hungary). The other thing is Lando’s performance. Sofar his career, he rarely made mistakes and got 110% out of his car. But now for some reason he keeps making mistakes, which are much more costly now that teams are close (compared to Lewis’s mistake in for example Imola 2021). But it is true that Lando and McLaren really needs to sort stuff out and carry out perfect races if they want to win in 24.
@@johnc3403 no he dont...lando is a good driver lets not get it twisted, but he also lack the edge and consistency, he has the fastest car on the grid and still cant convert pole to a win, does that sound like the driving of a championship driver?
@@damon1691if he sorts out his race starts he does have the potential to win a championship. Remember this is the first time lando has had a championship capable car. Not even Lewis could win at his first go in 2007 (yes ik he was a rookie but the point still stands).
Lando is not even top 5 drivers in the current grid..just coz he has a competitive car this year, his fans think he is the 2nd coming of jesus..gtfoh with that nonsense..in terms of talent he is not even george's and Carlos's level forget about verstappen, lewis, Alonso and charles..they are different class. also focus on beating Oscar first before max and everyone else
The issue is, I dont think Lando is going to beat a more experienced Oscar. Oscar is already showing himself to have the pace and mentality. Yes Oscar currently isnt as fast, but when you think about it, the gap between the two really isn't that big.
Exactly this! It's just all those fanboys and fangirls that cheer for him. The fact they voted him for driver of the day in races like Spain, Canada, Austria was ridiculous..
@@wyattturner61 I know you are bias but even bias fans know that what I have said is completely true. If you actually think he hasn't been top 6 each year I can't help you because your bias is too large. I can't believe that you have watched F1 at all if you think that... Genuinely the most delusional thing I have ever read.
Great video as always. Love Lando but now that he's in a winning car I feal his mindset needs to step up a notch if he is to take it to Max this year and beyond. The team to be more decisive too.
Thanks! Yes agree for sure. It’s mainly the inexperience for both Lando and this newly formed McLaren team. This is new territory for them and the errors show that.
@BMPH max might need 11 to 14 wins to win his fourth title given mclaren and lando inability to capitalise on our bad performance over race weekend. Red bull are more ruthless in decisions making than mclaren who seem lovable to many but they are underachieving and red bull are not standing still. If that is max in lando's position in hungary, he's not giving that place to Oscar under no condition for a win. Winners are Ruthless, selfish.
Lando needs to grow up. His immaturity as a person and a driver is holding him back. Lando expects everyone to move over and hand him the win. Oscar is the better technical driver of the two
McLaren is also not ready tbh, they weren't ruthless enough in Hungary and made crucial strategical mistakes since the beginning of the year, particularly in Silverstone where a 1-2 transformed itself in a 3-4.
Lando is in a tough position right now, the gap between Oscar and Lando is becoming smaller and smaller week by week. Mclaren is going to get to a position where they can't give Lando no.1 status because Oscar is just as capable of providing the results. Oscar isn't there yet, but he will be. Lando has this year and probably next year as an out and out no. 1 driver, after that I just don't see how Mclaren can look past Oscar....
Lando is showing the world that Max is from a different planet. He’s the only driver on the grid who’s capable of winning in the second or third best car. That’s why they compare him with Senna and Schumacher.
See why do you exclude Hamilton from this? Be honest whats your gripe? 2008 the McLaren was the 2nd, occasionally 3rd fastest car, 2017-18 the Mercedes was the 2nd fastest car for 3/4 of the season, in 2021 the Mercedes was the 2nd fastest car for all but the first 4 and last 4 races and he was still set to win the title before the race director literally broke the rules to stop him. If you wish to make an informed comment, do not show such a blatant cloud judging bias
Deluded max fanboys 2nd or 3rd best car lmao who said that? U guys are bunch of dummies Let's speak facts Max nothing of his fault did a great job and had a 2 second a lap faster car 2022 and this year a second a lap faster car and his only competition is perez who is below average and the team don't treat him the same as Max And 2ndly if he was that great what happen in Hungary? With the 2nd best car that day why didn't he win? And couldn't race against a aging old lewis? Cut the crap Max is good but never been tested anywhere The only test he had was in 2021 and won due to masi. Max never had the team mates of alonso rosberg vettel Russell or norris even, and daniel was beating him before preferential treatment of Max set in. He is good in a fast car but newey is gone and let's see how far he takes red bull he will jump ship to Mercedes in 2026 before helping red bull come out from a poor start
You should not blame the team after Lando's bad start at the Hungarian race. Lando should have given up the position a lot earlier to give himself enough laps to overtake his teammate on track hoping for the the team to break its pitstop protocol. That is servicing the lead car first especially if there is no incident.
Only Hamilton is able to win over an entire season. Leclerc can have good one race performances but unfortunately a championship is won over the full calendar not 1 race
@slowinfastout3304 its the car for every champion in history. Senna, prost, schumi, vettel, Max and Ham etc. Wouldn't have won championships if they didn't have the fastest car
@marklawd91 it's not always about the car. Yes having the fastest car has decided a lot of championships but it also does heavily involve driving skills as well. Remember that in 2012 Alonso was incredibly close to winning the championship in a car that was really only the 4th fastest near the end of the end of the season after initially starting as the 6th fastest. So yes, having the fastest car will massively help, but having the skill to extract every bit of performance out of any car also plays a major role.
@hlanguhome7905 of course. There are always exceptions to the rule. Alonso in 2012 I think is the greatest seasonal performance in f1 history. And all those champions I mentioned showcased world class skill. However, the fact still remains - You need the fastest car to win championships It grinds my gears when people say Lewis only won because he had the fastest car. As if no other champion benefited from their car too.
McLaren needs to make a choice for a nr 1 driver. And from 2026 onwards that will be Oscar. Next year will be Lando’s last chance at McL to win a WDC title.
0:58 Norris is in the same position as Mercedes in 2020?? Wut….. McLaren have the quickest car but relating them to one another is crazy, it’s like comparing last years RedBull. It’s not black and white
Max is the complete driver, no matter what the conditions are. He even won 10 races (and many podium finishes ) before he had a decent car. Tough to beat. I agree with your statement:” consistency is not enough…you have to be consistently great “ …especially to beat Max. Lando is a great driver but he is his often own obstacle.
the teammate thing is a double edge sword tho, oscar has helped lando many times, or they've been able to use different strategies to defend/attack max, while max has to be fighting alone. Besides hungary, they HAVE been prioritizing lando, so it's not like oscar is constantly taking the opportunity to win away from him, he loses it himself; meanwhile max's team have to take their chances every race on which strategy will be enough to hold off mclaren and lately mercedes too (also this makes it so that max has to take strategic choices by himself of when to pit or what tyres sometimes too) bc they haven't had checo up there to try double strategies :/
Norris isn't without talent but he says it, he's clearly not executing at the top level all the time. Lewis is the only driver proven who can operate at Maxs level consistently. McLaren have been poor at execution too, strategy calls etc. Lando cannot get the car off the line either. Piastris 3rd season is critical for both drivers, if Piastri gets the upper hand its basically all over for Norris.
There is nothing wrong with being self critical or self correcting, Lando was right in the judgment after Austria. Ultimately its about winning as a team. Max got stick for it in Hungary that he lost his head but he has such a high standard from himself and his team that he doesnt let these things slide cause he had already forewarned the team about undercuts. Ofcourse I think he should be more cool headed. The thing for lando is once you reach this stage, just like Max, Lewis and Charles, people will analyze everything you do.
Lando has a credible shot at the Driver's Championship. F1 is all about the Driver's title. And if you have a shot at it, you need to take it seriously. McLaren, didn't. Instead, they chose to bully their top driver in public in an unprofessional and embarrassing manner.
McLaren loaned their trailing driver an advantage for tactical reasons, making it clear that it was only temporary. When it came time to settle the loan, Norris decided he didn't want to. He embarrassed himself, his co-driver and his team.
I'm so glad your back with regular uploads after such a long time, I've really missed your content the past year. I enjoy every video you post so much. Keep up the great work, my friend!
Nah, he's a great driver but his potential isn't as high as others on the grid. I'd argue Oscar has shown more championship potential in a shorter amount of time
Lando has seen McLaren through it's worst years, and they were still his #1 team. He deserves the same loyalty at least. Not to mention the logical thing to do since he's closer to Max in the WDC. Lando should go to Red Bull.
max has won more championship titles than lando has actual wins, or should i say win? a single win five years into his career isn't exactly impressive. wish lando nothing but the best but his fans act like he won the championship but in reality he hasn't done anything outstanding at all and in the end he should thank the safety car for leading him to victory
Let's go Ben! Great content as usual Regarding your question, I think Lando only has 2 more years at the number 1 spot. Piastri is getting the hang of tyre management, which is his only real weakness other than general F1 experience (which is correlated)
If Lando were a little more humble and not so much a spoiled child, he would have won more than one race by now. His only victory was given to him by the FIA
Never say never. 75 points is not as much as you think. Suppose he gets another engine problem. Then the difference can easily be 40 points, plus a 10-place grid penalty.
Question? Norris' high performance compared to Oscar is undermined when Osc performs poorly, however when Norris performs poorly and Osc performs better it isnt excused in a similar manner???
I wonder did you or Lando watch Hamilton shaking his head as he slowly gets out of the car. In 2nd spot. What I mean is nobody's was expecting the one stopper except Russell himself and that won him Spa Fracorchampion 2024 race yesterday, did you? I didn't & was well impressed, were you?😅 I mean, you gotta believe in yourself. Lando has the right car as Piastri came third, but for anther few laps McLaren would have had the speed to overtake both Mercedes cars. I believe Lando has it in himself and wish him all the best as he's a really good guy. Your forgetting his a formula one driver and they hate losing especially the best. I really enjoyed your video and views are interesting, look forward to seeing more in the future. Cheers or Slainte ❤️😅 P.S. Ask Lewis Hamilton also Oscar Piastri surprised me also, with no mistakes. The greats? What.( Lol 😉 Hamilton is a great F1 drive,rbut keep that to yourself.) 😄 😅 👍Just an opinion.
I don’t think anyone believes Lando will. McLaren may take constructors, that’s it. Until then, McLaren needs to figure out how to utilize the new set up and figure out how to make a strategy efficiently. It’ll come with time, but until then they’ll fall short and it’s sad because the car is now incredible.
i hope he level up, his battle is not with Verstappen anymore, it's clear that he can't not beat him for now, but with Oscar who have shown he is more of a complete driver than he is, the only thing Oscar lacks is experience and by this rate he might be on top of Lando by next year.
@@daphneschuring5810When you think about it that's depressing for McLaren having to learn how to win again considering how successful they were before 2014.
Now break steer has been eliminated, young lando will start to fly. Max is good but has faults he is over aggressive in the corners and has got away with it up till now that's going to change as the car changes. Also he has had the best car since 2022 now we will start to see who is who
Tha man's just too inconsistent with his start's, and so is McLaren He just doesn't have that championship mentality yet unlike verstappen and alonso and Hamilton
Lando doesn't have the head to be a champ. Piasty has. Max has. I only see two drivers at this moment with that kind of head. But the Russell's Leclercs Norris's don't have that head. I think coming 4-5-6 years it will be Max and Pastry also depending bit on 26 ofcourse. Otherwise these 2 years Max. And after? Noone knows...
I honestly feel for Lando and he has gotten alot of diserved and undiserved backlash resently. He is in a difficoult spot where if he plays the team game everyone nags on him for not having the mind of a champion, but if he sticks out for himself people call him imature and selfish.
If he lets himself get emotionally affected by what people thinks of him, he is not a champion. Do you really think Hamilton and Verstappen care about the constant backlash they get in the social medias since 2021?
Lando has not proven himself to be a good consistent driver to be given number 1 to me. Oscar will surpass Lando. Oscar has a cooler head and a more humble way of himself.
@@BMPHF1 Don't speak too soon. Spa could be a real turn around of Max's recent bad fortune or it might confirm the end of his dominance in the sport. It feels like we are at a crux.
leclerc has not shown some potentential te be a champion,he is kind the same as norris to inconsistent and to many mistakes not sure if hamilton will make an impression whith ferrari
Now make a video that proves the opposite! Just because that's also possible at this moment in time! And the only thing you had to say in this video is: McLaren doesn't believe in it and when you are in environment where nobody believes in the mission to get WDC it will have an effect on everybody including Norris! McLaren has set there goal at the start of the season and do not change it when the opportunity presents it self! Lando can win but he needs everybody in the team! And what became clear in Hungary is that he doesn't have that! An other example of miss management at McLaren!
Those points are so bad why should he stay at his point from austria at silverstone. He saw the incident and said he was wrong thats just class from him
@@hlanguhome7905 I’m not saying lando is a bad driver he’s good. But oscar is special, you can already see that he’s going places he’s more than likely be the next generational talen to replace max’s era.
If Verstappen were in the same car as Hamilton Verstappen would easily beat Hamilton? Firstly they are both very good. I am not sure who would win. Secondly Verstappen would find it unbearable. He would never allow that to happen. He would deploy "he goes or I go". Thirdly - at any point where Hamilton got in front, Verstappen would apply his "move aside or we crash" technique. I think it would end with intra-team discord and a lot of Verstappen disqualifications.
@@kevinmcinerney1959 I think if Max and Lewis are in the same car with same strategy with same team treatment coz Lewis needs preferential treatment to thrive, Max would crush him each race. I mean just look at their lifestyle, Max finishes the race goes into the win before the race in the Sim for 24 hours so he’s very dedicated to racing racing racing that’s his life, just like Ayrton Senna
Wouldn't surprise me if this is his only shot at a title in his career. He hasn't the mentality of a champion, and I don't mean the killer instinct in being a dick and not following orders. I mean he can't take a p2 or p3, damage limitation, on the chin with a smile. He's like a child when he doesn't walk away with a p1 cap and that is his biggest weakness...... Except for his starts lol
Should Lando be given #1 status? From a Lando-centric perspective, yes ... but that's not what should happen at McLaren any time soon. Lando hasn't shown that he has the tough mindset to thrive in a Hamilton/Rosberg or Senna/Prost scenario. Quite the opposite, in fact. #1 status is what Lando needs to prop up his fragile confidence. Ultimately, Lando needs a Checo or a Valteri. Is Piastri that #2 driver? Absolutely not. He's improving rapidly and is only going to get better. Oscar and Mark Webber have already shown they don't mess about with the business side of things. If Oscar was made to play second fiddle I can see Webber and Zak Brown going to war. Result: another team will snap Piastri up. I really like Lando and hate to say this, but Oscar is going to eclipse Lando. Probably sooner rather than later.
Lando's friendship with MV and his gripe with SLH because of them at said perceived friendship that will never let Landon win a Championship while MV is driving.
Lando is not a coward like Russell. Russell was disqualified in Spa because he was sandwiched between MV and Perez. Rather than fight those two, he chose to disrupt LH and even backed him into Piastri who was at once 4 minutes behind.
2021 we see how MAX drive under pressure , had a free run from 2022 to first quarter of 2024 and as soon as he start getting challenges that behaviour come back MAX cannot perform under pressure. The evidence is there.
No driver is going to beat verstapen the FIA keeps changing rules to try and help him. If there is not a level playing field you can't expect a good or fair race. It's been three years of this enough. Verstapen is the worst face of the sport . Entitled and spoiled brat nothing else.
Hahahahahahaha, cry some more. The criminal loving lulu shamilton is the worst face a sport can have. Max as a pureblood racer is the best possible face F1 could ever have.
That is a really stupid statement, there is a limit of how much a driver can overcome, a great driver like max will off course make a huge difference, maybe half a second at most but not if he is in a car that a lot slower, it's shocking to me how some people don't want to accept that Max is a generational talent
