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Too small brain, look at the big picture. Imagine the money he got from streaming in subs and ads getting hours of content from it. In addition he gets a yt video out furthering his monetary gains. Lastly he gets to present the prizes to his GF in hopes of affection which is hard to give value. When you total everything he has made a net positive from this. But to be fair he probably went negative on this.
As someone who has gotten plushies from Toreba from just my free tickets, it's a hard game. You gotta spend hours observing each crane, seeing which ones are strong, which prizes are catchable, etc. Shit is a god damn strategy game
the thing is though if a plushie costs them like 1$ and retail price would be 15$ you spend 50$ on the crane game and the crane is still weak then their machines are just setup to insanely scam people Usually cranes are setup to get strong at about double the retail price
@@Boxygirl96 Yes, but the plushies themselves cost so little for them to buy that you've paid for them ten times over by the time you win one. Plus since you've already paid at that point they can just make the shipping whatever they want and they win either way. If you don't want to pay it, they don't have to send you your prize.
@@meganlucey2105 a tax write off just means he didn’t need to earn ~$400 (pre-tax) to offset the $230 he spent, it doesn’t undo the cost and he still loses $230 pre-tax dollars.
Imagine loosing $300 dollars for 2 $10 dollar plushies and paying for shipping, instead of flying out to japan yourself and picking it up. Something tells Ludwig just aint that sigma
@@sonic66646 he would, people would watch it if it had a title like that, cause people like to watch videos where people go to extreme lengths for something simple
Fun story about when I tried one of these games. I actually got the "strong claw" play that would grab the prize, but the plastic claws they use are so weak that one of the claws actually broke off before the prize even lifted off the floor. These are a huge scam lol
It depends on the place, most of the time the owners dont actually change the grip strength, it's actually the game itself. The more its played or the more money in it, the more grip strength there is. When someone wins it resets
@@alexjackson3345 the owners can control a ton of options, one of which is the payout period. As you said, the game will count how many times someone has played, if they are active, etc. and then adjust the claw. If the game was literally impossible no one would want to play it, so they set it to occasionally let a few out. The UFO’s (Japanese crane) have more options beyond grip strength such as push through, spring, etc. In the US and Japan the minimum strength of the claw is regulated but operators still f over people.. Src: purchased and repaired both western & UFO cranes at auction..
As a person who work in this kind of industry, Yes, we can change the strength of the claw and change the placement of the prizes to influence the chances of winning 😊. It just based on companies how many profit they try to achieve. As for my country, there are restriction on the profit/cost for those crane games 😁
These types of machines have a fixed strength (weak) because the goal is not to pick the prizes straight up to win it, but to manipulate it in just the right way as to get it to fall. Even the one he played at the end doesn't change grip strength... it's a set strength because it is meant to pick up the box every time, only it's basically luck as to how the box will actually fall. All of the ones with the prizes sitting on bars have a fixed claw strength with the point being you need to slightly nudge the prize each time to get it to rotate into the opening. The claw *never* gets stronger.
That would've been a real revelation in like the 80's, but these days, especially with technology like Raspberry Pi or various other easy-to-use "robot brains", I'm sure they can tweak aspects of the game that we're not even really aware of or accounting for, and all on the fly, while Ludwig or someone else plays the game. They have such a ridiculous profit margin with these games that they could probably have technicians paid to watch the stream of each machine and make slight adjustments on the fly that give someone a win to keep them playing through numerous failures, or make sure someone who just won doesn't get a second win for like 30 rounds or whatever. I'm not saying I think that's what they're doing, I'm just talking about how absolutely feasible and easy that level of rigging would be to pull off.
It hurts me so much watching this knowing he chose the hardest cranes despite the fact there are NORMAL crane picking up the plush on toreba that can be much easier lol
I've won prizes from Toreba multiple times. It's just that Japanese machines have wildly different strategies compared to western ones. People will just WATCH a machine for HOURS to try and understand the technique.
As a long time Toreba player, I am laughing so hard. I only stopped playing almost a year ago because the machines have been nerfed sooo badly over the years.
It's a hard thing for them to balance. Either the machines are so easy you win every try, and people just sit there draining the machine of prizes, or it's too hard to win and people call it a scam. Legit if they left it too easy they'd go out of business in a month.
toreba is less of a "grab it with the crane" game and more of a "use the crane to knock it around" game,, it involves a lot more strategy and takes a bit to figure out what positioning will do what (not to mention they have other styles of games with different places to drop the item)
I played these cranes at arcades in Japan. It’s crazy addictive but I picked up some tricks after watching people play. They’d spend $20-30 worth of yen and then I’d go win spending like $3-5. I won like 10 plushies that way never spending more than $20 on them since they sold most of them at the Pokémon centers nearby for like 2500 yen
You don't overly feel scammed in Toreba until you're literally about to win something and you see a hand come in and put shit back in place. Rage Inducing.
Played Toreba for a year and it was the most stressful time ever. Unless you're willing to spend a lot of money, you usually have to wait for others to play and hopefully they can move it enough for you to snatch up. Not to mention that their customer service is extremely bad and they take months to get back to you. I quit because now they don't even offer free shipping and I was just tired of dealing with this. I recommend just purchasing the items since it's cheaper, you don't have to deal with their bad support, and you don't have to wait months for it to ship. If you just want the thrill of winning a crane, just go to Round 1 since they're a Japanese company.
The cranes are calibrated to have different strength levels. So that every 1/70 or something has a strong grasp. The win rate are set by the operator venue with by a dongle attachment that plugs into the machine. It's usually labelled as win opportunity and the value is a percentage.
This is true for the 3 pronged American type claw machines, but Japanese 2 claw machines (UFO Catchers) are set to constant strength. The point isn't to pick up the prizes but to instead manipulate them to drop. It's about tumbling/rolling/turning them, not picking them up completely. I guarantee you none of the claws on Toreba are set to change grip strength based on number of plays. They are all set to pretty weak grip strengths 100% of the time because of how they are meant to be played
@@Konitama that makes sense. I'm not sure how anyone thinks these are worth spending money on regardless. It's a weird move that can only benefit the company. Who are the people that are able to justify spending money on these?
Lud, I know you’re not big on reading/responding to comments but I hope you see this... (TLDR at the end) If you shipped them both at once and never used Toreba before, you shouldn’t have to pay for shipping. Toreba let’s you ship as many as you want for free once a week. You have 14 days to cash in a prize, so you can win as many prizes as you can in 6.5 days and get them all shipped without spending any TP on shipping. Also, if you were expecting giant plushies, you’re gonna be devastated when you find out how small those plushies really are😅 you have to check the sizes (most of the time it’ll tell you either in the title or in the picture - if it doesn’t, assume the worst) before you play for them. Not a lot of the Pokémon ones come in big sizes. There is a separate prize section for big plushies and there are some Pokémon prizes in there. I know you were being sarcastic at the end of the video and think these games are a scam, but there are techniques to winning the prizes in machines on Toreba (and games like it) without spending as much money and with much less frustration. Here are just a few: - *Never assume your next move will win it.* It generally will take at the very least a few more moves than you expect and it’s always better to be pleasantly surprised. - *Aways try to go to play the games with the boxes.* There’s usually multiple machines listing the same prize and at least one will usually have a box. You want to avoid playing the machines trying to grab plushies (they’re much more challenging and unpredictable). There are a few specific types of box machines that are much easier and almost guaranteed wins. - An exception to the last one is: *Plushy machines are okay to use if you can snipe them in 3 moves or less.* That’s what you did with the Lapras. You also have to keep in mind that the plushies wrapped in plastic are 10 times harder and usually are nowhere near as close to falling as you think they are compared to regular prizes. If you can’t get it in 3 tries, it’s no longer a snipe and you need to bail. - *Avoid trying to completely lift up the prize and avoid using both sides of the claw at once.* 99% of the time, only the claws with the rubber tips or rubber bands wrapped around the tips are able to actually pick up the prize. Always use either side of the claw to push/pull/slide/flip the prize until it falls. An exception to this would be the case of machines like the one where you had to try to drop the boxes through the slot. Again, those were just SOME of the tips and tricks. I feel bad because you just happened to pick two really terrible examples of the box machines. The first one you got (the long orange box wedged between two bars) was a little harder because of the position but still obtainable (and much more easily so than grabbing a plushy) if you had known what to do (I won’t go into the how-to of that unless someone asks - I’ve already written a lot). The second one you got (drop the box through the slot) is a very difficult one that should be avoided if possible (unless it can be sniped). I used to be obsessed with Toreba and another online claw game called Clawee. Granted, I spent way too much money LEANRING the winning techniques and now I’m broke and owe people money, but I have 30 plushies the size of me to show for it😅 winning was such a rush (especially when I learned the techniques) that I sort of became a little addicted.. There are SO many cool prizes you can win besides plushies. The prizes are also always cycling. New ones coming all the time, some staying all the time due to popular demand, some staying for a few weeks then getting taken down just to go back up a month or so later. In addition to plushies of all shapes and sizes, I’ve also seen blow up chairs, themed storage containers, air mattresses, body pillows (yes including /that/ kind), pillows that turn into blankets, sleeping bags, tents, grills, cooking tools (pots, pans, spatulas, etc), jewelry, rc cars, bento boxes, toy guns, puzzles, posters, themed alarm clocks, mini fridges, pet beds, MANY big boobly figurines, and more. TLDR: Speaking from experience, Toreba is much less of a scam and has a lot to offer when you know what to look for and what to do (and I can share those tips with anyone interested). You also should not have had to pay for the shipping unless you ordered the prizes separately.
You didn't "sort of became a little adicted", you were clearly adicted. It may seem like you were playing a game but actually they were the ones playing a game with you
@@skylararcana they’re fun but they’re also addictive. Even if you always win in the end it’s be cheaper to buy the thing usually but you chase after the high of winning
@@anty. oh of course it uses deception and I could see why people would call it a scam, because they’ve been scammed. If you don’t learn the tricks before you play you’re gonna get scammed till you learn. But the operation in and of itself is not a scam the way he meant it - rigged to lose. It’s a scam in that it’s designed to make it near impossible or easy to waste money if you don’t know the tricks… but once you know them it’s no longer a scam. And you’re not being invalidating. I understand your point and I stopped playing anyway bc it became and unhealthy addiction I poured thousands into and now have tons of storage boxes full of massive plushies that I don’t have space to put anywhere
That new ending screen looks so sick, like the lineart is so clean, the colours pop and it's got that whole japanese vapourwave vibe but with a fantasy twist
@@JasonFree Yeah, the game is actually meant to be played by nudging or pushing the prize into the right place, not actually grabbing it. Im sure you know, just thought this would be a good place to say it for people who dont lmao
The ones with Box A and Box B are weighted in the front edge. The claw loosens up a little bit allowing the box to rotate to a slight angle that looks like its up and down. Couple that with the lowered back edge will make the box catch the back edge every time instead of going in when dropped.
People commenting about the claw grip strengths and how the machine changes grip strength based on number of plays... that's not really correct with Japanese claw machines. I literally own a 3 claw machine and yes it has a "payout" setting that strengthens the grip, but that is for a game designed around picking up the prize and carrying it to a hole to drop it in. UFO Catchers (like these on Toreba) are designed with a fixed strength weak grip that never gets stronger.... because the point isn't to pick up the prize but to tumble/roll/flip it into the hole. You have to hit the prize at weird angles for it to tumble the right way. There's a lot of strategy involved, compared to just... "put claw over target and pick it up until the claw strength actually grabs on to it"
I’m a frequent player of Toreba and I have to say some of the games are really bad but others are great you just have to know what you are doing. This was so funny to watch😆
Everyone knows that they are programmed for a win in so many tries to make sure that more money is spent than the value of the prize. Any time that it's not supposed to be a win the claw will never grab with sufficient force. These things exist for suckers. Just buy the prize directly online.
You know the people working in places that run these things must just crack smiles occasionally seeing some random sucker trying and trying to win their rigged freaking game
I used to play Toreba all the time and I've won a lot, but I've gotta say once it got more popular they heavily nerfed the machines. It used to be pretty easy to win just by watching others
With the Reddit recap intro, Ludwig barely saying boiss at the start of every intro and the outro, it feels like we’re in a new season of Ludwig RU-vid, with that being said, I miss the old Ludwig.
Yakuza games' UFO Catcher minigame has prepared me to understand these crane games, even if they are a just slightly different breed with the weird bar setup that the toy probably can't even fit between them most of the time, but one of the main strategies in the Yakuza UFO Catcher games is the "scooch" method that you figured out. Purposefully positioning the claw off to the side so that when the open jaws drop, one of the legs aligns JUST a hair past the edge of the toy, then when the jaws close they "scooch" the toy to the side. But for sure these crane games are like OP-rigged, and I'm certain the online variant can be adjusted on the fly to account for one person's goated strats.
Crane machines don't squeeze hard enough to pick up an item every time. When a store owners puts one in their shop, they get to set the rate at which it clamps hard. So they can have it grab hard 50% of the tries, 25%, whatever they want. That's why you can position it right and the claw still just slides off the toy. You have to both position right and get a lucky roll for clamp strength
The key to these is typically there'd a very specific way you have to position the crane to get the prize. Along with sometimes they'll have a hidden setting to where the strength of the claw won't be enough until a certain number of plays have been done with it. In which it will work properly until someone wins and then reset back to being a scam. A lot of arcade games are similar to slot machines, where they are set to work against you, and only pay out after x number of plays. Which is why random games have bigger prizes compared to non random games which have little p sizes or ticket payouts.
@@OfficerPedroAlvarez yep when Ludwig and Big A first started hanging out theyd were playing ssbm 100 money matches but this was when ludwig was broke and working at best buy
there are times when children most grow up, which eventually means realizing that there is no santa, there is no tooth fairy, and there is no way to win a crane game. They can adjust the strength of the claws. Like come on, if you've looked at one of those games once or twice it should be clear you're not supposed to be able to win
I've had quite a bit of luck with them where I was able to win quite a few prizes by using their free daily tickets shipping wasn't too expensive but not great nonetheless
not only did ludwig earn ALOT of money on his subaton, but he earns alot of money from making videos from the streams. he is 4 parralel universes infront of us
Lol, as a Toreba player for 3 years I've won so many figures and prizes, you definitely have to take you time and snipe prizes. I've only spent about 100$ and I've literly done Xmas presents for family with this.
The best game modes are the ping pong ball drops or they had a pinball machine running a couple of weeks ago which were more luck based over the claw grab machines
