True, no one really mentions that Optimus actually tries to reason with Sentinel prime first until Sentinel threatens to kill Optimus by shoving a blade up Optimus’s neck. Optimus also didn’t seem to want to kill Megatron in the first movie either, as Optimus was pretty somber to see Megatron die at the end of the movie.
I wish they had written Sentinels death differently. Have Optimus keep his gun locked on Sentinel and have him ask Sentinel why he should accept his surrender. While the two negotiate, Sentinel finds a weapon and attempts to kill Optimus, but Optimus reacts quicker and kills Sentinel first. That way Optimus kills him out of self-defense.
Part of me wonders if Optimus would've accepted Megatron's truce IF he hadn't made the deal with Sentinel. That must've made it INTENSELY personal. Also traditionally in lore, Optimus is more powerful than Megatron. It's only due to Optimus' morality that he doesn't completely one shot Megatron. 'Time to find out' is him shedding his morality. Also also as far as everyone knew, the Space Bridge collapsing destroyed Cybertron. The whole motivation behind the war was the conquest or protection of Cybertron. No Cybertron makes the war pointless and Optimus saw this.
I think Prime held back in the first movie because he was in a city full of people. He got up close against Megatron and never once used his swords. He probably could have chopped his skinny arms off with them. I think they're simply equal strength. In Transformers Prime, I'd say Megatron is very powerful, but an angry Optimus would still defeat him, much like what Ratchet said. He won the fight near the volcano after Megatron harmed Raf, though Megs got powered up with Dark Energon. With the Star Saber weapons, Megs won the fight, but we later see, in the Season 2 finale, Optimus charges right towards him and chops his arm off to destroy the Omega Lock. Maybe this is because Megatron was surprised, but it really does seem like Optimus is more powerful once he loses his cool. Another example is that Fall of Cybertron Optimus also beats Megs for nearly killing Bumblebee. And Season 3 Optimus... easy W. G1 Optimus, I hold the same opinion. When Optimus says "Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost," he litterally owns the Decepticons and then is about to finish Megatron off.
@@dr.boring7022it's a great point and all but I don't think he was holding back because of the people I don't think he was holding back at all cuz he knew but if Megatron got the all spark he would have destroyed Earth and if he was holding back probably because him and Megatron were brothers by Bond and could you really kill your own brother even if it's for the greater good? But you still have a valid point
Which he already knew about. And let's not forget that Optimus let Sentinel and the Decepticons control Chicago and brutalize its population for an entire MONTH before coming back simply because he wanted to teach the US government a lesson about not trusting him and the Autobots. Optimus is barely short of being a straight up villain in this series.
@@occam7382 pretty sure Optimus didn’t know they were going to attack Chicago and even if he did, it was nothing he really could’ve done The odds were so stacked against them that there was nothing that could’ve prevented it So to say Optimus wanted this and is nearly villain is outrageous
For G1 fans, we can use the Heavy Metal War episode of the G1 cartoon to illustrate the point. Yes Sentinel Prime wasn't in that episode, but Megatron did cheat Optimus, and Optimus played fair. Optimus got pissed when he found (that Megatron had been borrowing his goons' special powers) and retaliated with full force.
Because Micheal bay needed a cool ass scene to end on regardless as the intention was to finish the movie franchise there with no lose ends. Plus megatron killed jazz, killed Optimus prime and caused mass genocide
I remember some months ago that people were complaining that there were no pure evil villains being made anymore, but back then you couldn't ask for Villains being pure evil because it just got criticized as "bad writing" lol
@@diorraices9013 What millions of years of war? If anything, these movies make it clear that this is the shortest-running war throughout the Transformers multiverse. Also, just fuck off with that PTSD thing because Bayverse Optimus does not have PTSD. Nothing is hinting that he has. And last time I checked, PTSD does not turn someone into a savage murderer. If it does then those guys are not seen as good guys and are immediately sent to get help.
I didn't see anything wrong here. Optimus is written as a warrior. War is brutal. Sweethearts don't win wars. What separates a good warrior and a bad warrior isn't thier skill and brutality but what they are fighting for. Optimus was fighting for humanity, Megatron was fighting to enslave humanity, Sentinel was fighting for his own ego. There are no jails that could hold them.
Unlike in Bayverse, animated Optimus arrested Megatron because he is a hero at heart and cannot kill Megatron, otherwise he wouldn’t be better than Megatron. Also Sentinel was not Optimus’s mentor but his rival. Bayverse Prime killed Megatron is because Megatron and Prime were in a war.
I coudlnt agree more Pigpen! Sentinel Prime was an evil mofo who lead to the death of one of his oldest friend, Ironhide, Hundreds of Cybertronians, Thousands of Humans, and destroyed the remnants of Cybertron when their plan inevitable failed. And killing Megatron? Thats bad???? Dude just avenged his fallen friends and comrades and ended his future plans. Plus, when Megatron comes back in Transformers 4, he goes right back to evil plans!!
I just think the man’s just was done with it but I don’t know why bay wanted to change the script and not a truce like honestly I think that’s way more interesting then this and for the ending of the trilogy at least end the war peacefully or leave on a cliffhanger for other films where we see the aftermath but nah we got last knight so ya know at Least we got bumblebee
Yeah i totally agree that this the most brutal ver og Optimus but at the same time the saddest one espacially when it comes to the 4th film, like imagine you are optimus, your bestfriend literly batrayed you and started a war, your friends are duying becouse of it, your whole planet is dead you need tou run and find a new home, then you meet humans you trust them and don't want them to get involve but they get involed anyways, when the war is finally over humans turn their baks on you nad try to kill all your companions, i would be brutal too
Personally I'm mixed on both, i can understand why people have an issue with prime killing because that's not how Optimus prime is characterized but I also have to remember and understand that this is an entirely different incarnation of Optimus prime. I don't want to sound like that person but I made a video about whether it is ok for Optimus to kill or not depending on how many he's killed if you wanna check it out. You don't have to watch it but if you do, skip a couple of parts because it's 40 min long. I even brought up the times Optimus have killed before or even attempted to kill. I did said in the video I don't have a problem with him killing and that he acts psycho half of the time and I do agree that he wasn't acting like a psycho killing both sentinel and Megs it just looks like he was just done. it's similar to Batman not killing the joker, if he continues to let joker live all the death and destruction will be on him.
I'm still really iffy on the situation, but you make some really good points. I do agree that both Megs and Sentinel deserved it. In isolation, as its own film, DOTM and its ending are fine. I just never viewed Optimus as someone who does executions. Even in the 1986 film. I always felt he wouldn't have taken that shot even if Hot Rod didn't get in the way.
Optimus has been fighting for millions of years against megatron and with his actions megatron was going to be executed or exiled to die slowly without energon. Sentinel would likely suffer life in prison or also be exiled which say it with me everyone would lead to him dying slowly without energon. Not to mention including the comics would just give more of a reason as to why megatron shouldn’t be trusted.
I don’t think any version of Optimus would trust the dude that literally stabbed him in the back, so why would anyone think that Optimus would believe Megatron is beyond me, especially right after Megatron murdered a whole city, in yet another attempt to screw over earth and nearly destroy earth. Again, Megatron literally stabbed Optimus in the back in the bayfilms both figuratively and literally.
Just like in the G1 transformers movie, Megatron was about to kill prime when Prime was holding his blaster to kill Megs, like you can see the gun on megatron’s hand, like come on, he’s about to kill prime.
In a stop motion sequel to The Last Knight. Both Optimus Prime & Megatron finally put their differences aside, not only to save both Earth & Cybertron from Unicron(who is finally waking up). But to prevent more of their brothers died due to the ongoing war. Which was after it was confirmed that Sam died between Dark of the Moon & Age of Extinction. & when Barricade died protecting Megatron from one of Unicron’s foot soldiers. It’s called Finest Hour. It even explains everything about the Allspark & the Quintesons.
Theirs a pretty interesting theory that Dotm was meant to be the last transformers film. A huge chunk of the Autobot cast was meant to die if we include the earlier drafts of the script and the novels,ironhide, skids and mudflap, Dino, and que where all casualties and the same thing could be said for the deceptions, starscream, Shockwave, Soundwave, where all somewhat major cons but they all died in this film. But what ties this all together in my opinion is the truce, whatever that would’ve been would have most likely ended the film franchise with Megatron leaving and doing whatever while Optimus and the remaining Autobots stay behind and fix the damage done to earth, But that’s just a theory of how the films could’ve ended before they got a green light to continue them
I mean it’s the third film is a massive franchise. Michael Bay may have been out after 3 but the box office performance would convince hasbro/paramount to make 4
Also, imagine how pissed both N.E.S.T and the US higher ups would be if Optimus just let Megatron go. Bro ravaged Mission City, Egypt, Washington D.C, and Chicago (while killing a lot of people especially in Chicago and D.C). All of that just for Optimus to give him a slap on the wrist with no proper punishment. Not to mention if we consider the fact that they been at war for millions of years, imagine how many cybertronians Megatron had already killed before arriving on earth.
Truce ending is Uber cucked. Megatron literally killed him and tried repeatedly to destroy/enslave earth, all in the span of like 5 years. Transformers live for centuries , so all these events were a just a really really bad week for Optimus.
So my problem with this scene (and honestly most of these movies) is what feels like gross mischaracterization of a lot of characters. For example we’re supposed to be on Optimus’ side because he’s the leader of the good guys and is morally good and just after all he is a and the last Prime. However in these movies it’s not that he enjoy’s killing its that killing is the only option he chooses, he doesn’t take a option C with Megatron to let him stand trial for his countless war crimes of the millions of years the war has been going on (as I do agree Megatron in these movies is just evil dude who does evil things) so more in character I feel would be him taking Megatron as prisoner and putting him on trial on Cybertron. I don’t think any Optimus would’ve trusted this Megatron either but there’s more than one way to stop a war and needlessly killing the other general when they’ve offered “peace” is not what the others would do. Besides we know other incarnations (Like IDW specifically comes to mind) of Optimus just straight up hate fighting and killing and Megatron would use that against him psychologically to anger him. Besides ultimately what this war was about was if Cybertron was going to be conquered and ruled by Megatron, or protected and served by Optimus and the Autobots, wouldn’t it make more sense for Megatron to go on trial on Cybertron for everything he’s done (not a new concept I know this has played out in at least the IDW comics) and to let things be taken care of that way? Would be a solid way of demoralizing the other Decepticon’s too as Megatron being killed can just be written off as Autobot bullshit or something. Seems like a lot better option than him getting brutally killed for like the second time up to that point in the movies, also a lot more interesting as it opens up other options. TLDR while I agree with your points on why he should die I feel it’s more in character for him to be taken as a war criminal and put on trial for what he’s done and use that as an avenue for peace, rather than ripping his head off with an axe.
As far as letting Megatron stand trial, Cybertronian society has completely collapsed. They abandoned the planet because it's dead. At least, according to the first three movies. And specifically in Dark of the Moon, Sentinel attempting to use the Space Bridge pillars to bring Cybertron into Earth's orbit but having the process cut short by the pillars being destroyed supposedly either completely destroyed the planet or trapped it in Transwarp space - possibly both, with the planet being ripped to shreds that were left in another dimension. Any trial on Earth could likely lead to the same outcome - humanity was pretty quick to reject the _Autobot's_ presence on Earth despite the fact that the Decepticons were the only ones intentionally causing damage. I do agree that Optimus chooses killing far too often. Ripping Scavenger's face in half with the hooks at the beginning of Revenge of the Fallen was gratuitous and also a bad move in general, because he could have been a good source of intel or at least useful for a hostage exchange.
@@OtakuUnitedStudioI agree there. One of the dumbest moments in the films. “The fallen shall rise again.” “Don’t know who or what that is. Lmao w/e.” *shoots him*
@@OtakuUnitedStudio I did forget that but of Cybertron being fucked fucked so my bad but the rest of what I’ve said still stands. Yes trial means death most likely for him but it’s more in character for Optimus to let Justice take its reigns than be judge jury and executioner yanno?
@@chaoticzer0688 please stop trying to prove Megatron shouldn’t have died when he was literally a monster doesn’t matter if he’s tired of war, he still deserved death
@@dylanhudec979 Not at all what I was trying to prove here, I’m saying Optimus executing a DOWNED OPPONENT which isn’t very Optimus. I don’t care that he killed Megatron my argument is that it wasn’t very Optimus to basically execute a dude.
Note that I haven't completed watching this vid yet when I wrote this comment. I think it's down to the fact that Megatron and Sentinel Prime had a sneaky deal. Sentinel deserved to die because of his deal with Megatron to conquer the Earth (to conquer in general, that's what Megatron wants) and get the humans to repair Cybertron (what Sentinel wants), and Megatron deserved to die because of his deal with the humans to get the Autobots to leave Cybertron. Even if we do not rely on the IDW tie-ins, we can sufficiently say that Optimus being angry was a result of realizing too late that he's being played.
Okay, you've changed my mind about Megatron. I still think Sentinel could have been taken as a prisoner or just could've died in the fight and it would've been better though.
I mean yeah Megatron did have it coming and deserved to die the way he did but I feel like most people had a problem with it because of primes uncompassionate and brutal nature coupled with the way he iced Megatron with him literally decapitating him like doesn't that feel a bit too violent for Optimus prime? No matter what though I personally think the novel had a much better ending with Megatron offering to lay down his arms and Optimus accepting leading to a truce with no lame violence or bland robotic CGI just a pretty neat ending.
No, I rather have lame violence than that garbage plus Optimus killing him was justified. I don’t care what those idiots think. None of us do the ending is better in the movies than in the comic.
With Megatron pretty fair since he is still armed and would probably do more evil since it took until movie 5 for him to be like ight I just wanna go home at this point. Sentinel is a bit more tricky since he was basically unarmed at that point witch would probably constitute a war crime and Sentinel had showed some regrett at points but we don't really know how sincere it was. Althoug it might be a bit hyppocritical since Optimus and the autobots in this very movie let probably thousands of humans needlessly die to prove that humanity needs them witch is kinda a dick move. But then again both Megatron and Sentinel did pretty bad shit so nobody would probably object in the movie.
Does anyone think that Megatron will return if Michael Bay's movie series got a chance to make one last film I mean now that he will himself that Megatron was brainwashed by Quintessa so like it's possible that Megatron I want to surrender to Optimus for his actions I mean like idw Megatron it is possible believe it or not but how many of you think that it is possible
I hate when people take into account the scrapped ending and the comics when debating this topic. The scrapped ending was, bear with me here, SCRAPPED. It's not relevant, it doesn't exist. Furthermore, Michael Bay himself has said the comics are NON CANON. Do not try to debate with that. There are no loopholes, no technicalities, if the big man says they didn't happen, they didn't fucking happen. Period. Even if you don't like it, the ending itself is the only thing that we can take into account because that's what factually happened.
Megatron literally killed Optimus and they were trying to kill humans non stop, is there seriously a reason why Optimus just wouldn't kill them? He hasn't really shown mercy before in the movies he is perfectly willing to take out the Deceptions that attack him because he would DIE if he didn't. I don't think Transformers is the franchise to go the route of redeeming villains or keeping them locked up.
Optimus killing both Megatron and Sentinel never bothered me. I’ll admit though maybe they could’ve done it a bit differently in the film, cause in the novelization of the film Optimus excepts Megatron’s truce and him the other Decepticons leave Earth. I don’t remember what happens to Sentinel, but i like that resolution for Megatron because despite being evil and power hungry he does care for Cybertron and now that it’s gone he has nothing left to fight for so have him and the surviving Decepticons go into space and have them come across Unicron and have them be converted into Terrcons that way they can be the main villains in Last Knight cause Galvatron didn’t really do much in Age of Extinction. So yeah that’s what i think should’ve happened in the films.
what i disliked about dotm was sentinel prime betraying the autobots, along with killing ironhide, skids, and mudflap, the autobots getting exiled, and wheeljack/que's death
Some fans compare Optimus Prime killing Megatron in the Bayverse to Optimus Prime about to kill Megatron but arrest him at the end in animated. I don’t understand why, where in fact the differences between those universes, is that Bayverse Optimus Prime is more experienced than animated Optimus Prime. Megatron and Optimus Prime were not like brothers like in Bayverse, Cybertron wasn’t dead, like it was in the Bayverse. Optimus Prime in the animated, would not kill Megatron, it’s because if he killed him, he would be held at a trial for a execution , since Cybertronians have to follow cybertron laws, cybertron was militaristic planet. Whereas in the Bayverse, Optimus killed Megatron because he is tired of lies and deceptions. Optimus in the Bayverse, is tired of lies, and he is much older than his animated counterpart.
"It's not in the finished film, so it's not canon" Okay, but that doesn't stop it from being an actually good ending, as opposed to the consistent depiction of Optimus Prime being an insane war criminal. Besides, it was the intended ending of the movie, it was changed out of spite for it being "leaked".
I don’t think letting a genocidal maniac off the hook because he “just wants to be back in charge” is a good ending. Also he’d just go back to being evil in 4
@@Pigpen_YT how was he letting him off the hook? They were both tired of fighting and genocide. Megatron was finally realizing that the war was bad, maybe things could have changed.
I don't see film megatron as one dimensional in the film prequel comics you learn the optumis and megatron were brothers and optumis gave megatron a chance in both the comics and in 2007 film and I feel like optumis no longer thought of him as brother and by the last night he has excepted the fact that his brother is dead
Yes he was 100% right. That's how the plot went. Predictable? Yes. Did we expect anything else? No. Did we get micheal bay "boom!! Pow!! More explosions!! Bigger flames!! Money printer go brrrrr!!. More explosions damnit!!"? Yeah. We did. At least Rob zombie didn't make it. So there's that.
1. in g1, i dont think prime was ever planning on killing megatron, he had his gun pointed at him as a way to tell him to stand down, but not kill him, at least until hot rod got involved, although this is of course up to interpretation. 2. it doesnt matter if megs was in the wrong, its just not something prime should ever do.
It's justified but it's out of character. In 2007 Optimus Prime had sympathy over Megatron's death but he kills his brother in the most gruesome way possible without any remorse it doesn't align with the 2007 characterization.
that was before Megatron attempted to wipe out all life on Earth and enslave all of humanity with Optimus' former mentor he turned evil. Also before Megatron flat out killed him by stabbing him in the back
@Pigpen Optimus had already acted violent like that with Megatron the first 2 times he saw him right after the 2007 film the character transitioned after 2007 to his violent self like that so it's still out of character because it wasn't those events in Dark of the Moon that made him do that to Megatron since he was already that way with him in Revenge of the Fallen. Plus I don't think anyone's gonna legit rip off the head of someone who they considered a brother with an axe no matter what they done. It's out of character.
@@thelvadam90 no it's really not. He saw what the war did to his home world and what the war was doing to Earth and humanity. He realized he had to end it right there
@Pigpen it is. Prime considered Megatron a brother in the movieverse and had sympathy over his death the first movie showed he was clearly upset about his death. It's out of character for him to legit rip the head off of someone he called a brother no one would kill someone they care about in such a brutal way especially Prime. The events of Dark of the Moon didn't make Prime that way with Megatron since he was already super violent with him in Revenge of the Fallen right after 2007 with no proper events to justify the change.
I think why Optimus was pissed in RotF was that Megatron came back to life and even in the first movie he acknowledged that he needed to defeat Megatron and that he left him no choice, then he's alive again and plans to dissect Sam alive that is plenty of justification to be pissed at him, then he stabs Optimus in the back and nearly wiped out all life on the planet until the timely revival of Optimus, as for Dark of the Moon he corrupted his mentor and killed possibly hundreds of thousands in Chicago. U may say it's out of character but Optimus is also not stupid, he no longer considers Megatron his brother (remember Megatron killed him first showing that if there were any brotherly feelings only Optimus had them and those feelings probably died with him) and after everything Megatron just wants to walk away like nothing happened also remember these are machines so they don't die like us, Optimus after being stabbed in the back took longer die than when he took Megatron's head off meaning he still has the moral high ground because it took him longer to die and be in pain, also going for the head is the most effective method since they get killed quicker that way than going for limbs or a spark hidden by thick sheets of metal
it’s always weird to me seeing people bitch about Dark of the Moon’s ending. growing up, i always thought Optimus was in the right and that nobody had a problem with it.
