Why Overwatch 1 is better than Overwatch 2 (Rant) 

and i warmed to the idea of 5v5 at first, but overtime i just miss tank duos more and more.

To sum it up: Overwatch 2 is watered down and made far easier for new players to pick up, but as a result the characters lost most of their identity and uniqueness. No off tank also makes the fights more one dimensional and allows for less variety, playmaking, and coordination in teamfights.

i removed the game today. game isnt fun anymore with sombra in it 80% of my matches.

I miss overwatch 1 so much. I watched GetQuakedOn's DPS doom montage yesterday and it literally made my stomach feel sick. The fact that I will never be able to experience it again... And 6v6 too... I loved Rein + Zarya. So much. Also: I can not get over the fact that they removed SO MANY features. The levelling system (I had a frickin diamond portrait that was just ripped away from me for good after grinding thousands of of hours for it), the LFG feature that was removed for new reason, the ability to unlock stuff without paying real money for it, 2CP (yeah it sucked but the maps were kinda cool)... If I could go back to just playing overwatch 1... I wouldn't hesitate one minute. But hey at least we have a fully fledged story campaign now... oh wait

As a JQ main, she was MADE for the off-tank role, to light mfers up from behind a Rein or a Sig shield, then shout to give him the speed he needs to back out while pumping lead. It sucks to have to play her like a main tank, I uninstalled last week and have no intention of going back until they bring back the 2nd tank. That's the ONLY thing that'll fix this game, and Blizzard knows it.

It took a few years, but I finally agree with ChipSa. Agreed with everything more or less.

Supports overtuned to compensate the missing tank. Along with tanks needing to be on roids just to stay alive.

I miss 6v6. I wish they just fixed double shield instead of taking a tank out of the game

I mean half the reason they baby proofed the tanks was due to 5v5. I feel like the off tank could help mitigate some of the mistakes of the main tank (Zarya bubble, Defense matrix, etc) now that all that’s gone, devs had to baby proof.

old doom was peak overwatch

We need OW Classic

Don't have a source for this, but I'm pretty sure the developers said that they are intentionally making heroes more homogenous so that they are all equally viable at all times. This is why all new supports can 1v1 dps and all new tanks are more brawlers than about controlling space

It's not just babyproofing. People who 1-tricked niche heroes would complain about their win rate so Blizzard made them better in more situations at the cost of what made them unique.

It is obvious that they want every hero to be viable in every situation, every new support is required to have one broken ability because otherwise they can't compete

why does everyone on /competitiveoverwatch stand so agaisnt going back to 6v6

3:35 I played TF2 for about 10 years before I moved over to OW1 What's great about the Engineer is that he has 2 separate play styles. The defensive lvl 3 sentry or the offensive/aggressive mini sentry What's even funnier is that he hit the nail on the head. Most people don't use the shotgun. They use the Rescue Ranger for their level 3 sentries instead of the shotgun cause it prioritizes the sentry and does less damage to people than any other shotgun.

100% - i wish we can play whatever version of the game we want

they made every hero strong in every situation because one tricks cry abt not being able to play the most boring hero of all time in every situation and win

Devs have a pipedream that if they turn the game into candyland then mobs of nonexistent “casuals” are gonna show up and throw money at them. Turn based gameplay coming season 12 😂

The way they keep shifting balance towards easy-bail options to compensate for objectively bad plays and bad game knowledge, is crazy. They think they make the game more approachable and easy, when in fact they just make it more abusable and tedious and bland. I'm a long-time Pharah main, and the last thing I'd want for that hero is to have her ultimate being cancellable. If they ever make it cancellable, that's my clear sign the game has gone off the cliff. Yes most Pharah players die while using it, and that's a damn good thing because it's both a skill check and a risk check relative to its value potential. High risk high reward is what creates nuance and counterplay. The more you lower risk, the more mellowed out everything becomes, the more hero overlap you get, because what sets apart heroes isn't just their strengths - in reality it's their weaknesses that make them unique. How can other players interact with you? That's what makes your character unique, because it means you have to play around this weakness and develop hero-centric playstyles that don't just easily transfer to any other hero. And if they straight up can't interact with you, if nobody can interact with each other due to bs immos and low-risk abilities everywhere, then whats even the bloody point. Haven't seen a multiplayer fps dev team fumble as hard and as consistently, as the OW Team 4 does.

TL;DV My character was broken in ow1 and i was relevant..now game is bad cause new players shit on me. I seen other relevant ow1 streamers say the same and they are also non relevant since ow2 launch. You people who cope to ow1 are the same who think going back to your ex might work.

Chipsa is spouting pure wisdom. Much of what Overwatch lost is to be able to punish those with bad cooldown usage, bad positioning, etc.

Well said man. So many heroes are so similar. I've been trying to ignore that part in an attempt to keep the blinders on , They all blend now, almost even between roles now 😢

I feel like tank synergy was the most complex and fun part of ow1. Your comp and playstyle was defined by the tank duo. Its kinda understandable why they would remove it, after all loading in with a comp like zarya/dva was pretty much a guaranteed loss back in the day, but I think it's undeniable that no other roles could complement each other as well as 2 tanks. Removing a tank just makes the game far more simple, all for the purpose of making kills easier to get and healing easier to do One less tank also arguably encourages counter swapping more. Back in the day, you could force something like rein/dva and have a pretty decent matchup against anything including annoying fliers like pharah, whereas nowadays you could far more easily counter rein in a way where he cant really do anything but swap

Niche heroes isn’t good thing for one tricks like you chippi , if tank doom was niche character you will complain as you always has been , i like the fact that heroes are “playable” on all map but they will over perform in some maps and points like hog on illios well map or something like that

let alone the UI Downgrade and the general lack of rewards^^;

I always say this when my friends want me to hope back onto OW2, there's no uniqueness and nothings really special anymore

Overwatch 1 I played for years. Barely got diamond one time one tricking hog. Now ow 2 I'm masters on EVERY role. I can't get over how much easier it is to track cool downs, and take advantage of out of position enemies with no off tank. I'm basically boosted LMAO

I blame free to play more than 5v5. Flattening the learning curve and magic buttons allow brainless shitters to frag easily. The dopamine hits them and ideally they head into the shop. A high skill game with harsh punishments and a steep learning curve is a no go in the free to play landscape.

Good take per the usual

Every hero feels the same.

It's the blizzard way. Did the same thing to wow.

100% agree

DPS Doom > Tank Doom

Chipsa BASED

To me the craziest set of design decisions is the combo of making everything less vulnerable to interruption while also removing most ways to interrupt. Like I get stun spam was bad, but why then if we've already removed like half of the stuns in the game do we ALSO need whole hog to persist through stuns, or Moira fade mid coal, or give Mauga's movement/stun ability a cc immunity as well? Suzu is stronger as a purple cleanse and damage negation than it is as a stun remover, which just blends its identity with Bap's lamp. No way that would be true in OW1

One thing that i miss ever since they introduced 2/2/2 is composition variety, not in the sense that i want to pick how many roles i want, but being able to switch role with somebody was one of the coolest things to do. I remember a match that my cousin and i were being destroyed, then we both switched to dps and healer, and the rest of the team adapted to it. we won a match that was probably my highest kill match ever, all because something wasn't working and we fixed it. If im doing bad as tank, i wish the game had the option to ask someone to switch roles so that i can be useful some other way and have that person be a better tank than me.

AGREED

Overwatch 1 will always be better it won game of the year. Overwatch 2 will never come close.

Never thought i'd be listening to Chipsa's thoughts on game balance and Agreeing with him. And i've mained Doom for years.

cry

Unranked is fun. For me, the problem with Overwatch was always the ranking system. Getting an individual rank in a team game is silly...it became so frustrating having to play a wild amount of games just to try and beat the 50/50. Overwatch is and always has been a roll of the dice.

they are just copying and pasting the core gameplay of league of legends. Every champion in the league is basically sitting in a specific role but performs different functions(higher or less dmg/More or less cc, etc.). Basically every season the designers are setting some OP champions as anchors and buff ops counter pick or nerf the OP's item. It makes every single champion within the same role are basically the same.

Most DPS heroes now are similar to each other when it comes to ability design and while the all differences between them matter in high-level play, to the average player half the DPS cast is all just what kind of gun you want to shoot. Heroes used to be much more exciting than that. Like compare the old builder heroes, old Doom and pre-rework Sombra, all so vastly different from each other. Tank and support roles have more uniqueness to them though imo (Winston vs. Doom comparison fair tho)

The homogenization of the heroes is one of the biggest complaints ive had about overwatch for years now. The changes they made to torb and sym was enough already, but it became impossible to ignore when they turned bastion into a soldier 76 clone with ow2. The game isn't about strategy anymore. Its just death match with extra steps. Most heroes dont have identifiable strengths and weaknesses anymore. You can approach pretty much any map, game mode, and team fight the same way. Just be better at aiming and positioning than the enemy team and you win.

Illari kiri bap lw don’t play the same, however you can argue 3 of those character provide the same type of value, battle supports, their utility is too similar and simple. You’re not cooking shit on lw, he’s a healbot, plays nothing like the other 3

i just wanted to point out i had watched this thru samito but i came here to like the video and comment, but not only ow2 but even games like ff14 they are simplifying and making similar the jobs design and having like a 2 min meta. like idk if all video games are going thru this but it might be to cater in thier mind the the majority who suck at the game and arnt will to understand the nuiances of characters and what they should and shouldt do. I.E. zen glass cannon before the kick at 200 hp. like overall this is going to be pretty much the thing that makes a video game not as ground breaking as old games but playable so more people get into it. everyone has an escape and op ability like chipsa said basically

Naw, OW2: -one less hero to damage -one less to heal -one less ultimate -less abilty spam -less getting deleted from the game -easier to group

Welcome to the classic WoW arc for Overwatch. Give it a couple of years and almost anyone endulging in this will become incredibly insufferable to the rest.

i was doom otp in ow 1 and when they changed for ow 2 i was happy because i can play doom in tank and any other easy hero(hit scan) in dps but the game as been released and doom is boring, non insta kill headshots are useless because good main sup are the diff all game (in diamond), so i got on a spot where i need to play hanzo when they have no phara and widow when they have so i leave the game for valorant

people dont even talk to comm anymore they completely destroyed any structure and competitiveness the game had now you just turn your brain off

Yo ChipsA, sweet potatoe fries or regular?

i really wish theyd just give us a classic overwatch server, something thats still on like ow1 patch 1.0 with none of the dlc heroes/maps, i started playing in 2018 and never got to experience that era and i cant stand to play the game in its current state

that genji shutdown was pretty cool 3:47

TLDR: dps Doomfist is why ow1 is better than ow2. Cry about it and cope.

This has actually been the design philosophy since day one, it was always meant to be a hard game that would be dumbed down over time.

Chipsa speaking facts again. OW1 is better. OW2 is trash.

I didn't really think I'd say this but I agree with Chipsa on this.

Yall complained about Overwatch 1, wanted Overwatch 2. Complaining about Overwatch 2, now want Overwatch 1 back. The Overwatch community is just full of a bunch of people who want it "easy". You can't be mad because you actually have to use your brain to play lol it's a competitive game

OW2 is ass, bring back OW1 and DPS Doomfist.

First minute in and this video is already braindead.

Except it isn't better. Cry more, please.

Love these videos man! Chispa has my vote!

Meh I disagree about heroes that were incredibly situational like Torb or Sym. That sucked. They're more frequently viable now.

Ov1 was better because there was a dps doomfist in the game .

BRING BACK 6v6 REMOVE SHIELDS

Lifeweaver is just another baptiste

theres a reason for the tanks synergy

2:46 that parry was disgusting

it's the sad truth 😞

6v6 was so much better

The game feels so shit

This game is doodoo 🤮🤮🤮

Nice rant as always

What a sexy gentleman

I will say that CC made the game more unique and requiered more skill to play around, stuff like McCree tracer was such an interesting fight, of baiting the CC to win easily, or delaying it to bait recall, now however dodging flash is nearly impossible because it just follows you, so even though you "dodge" it the game says no and you either cleanse it or you're doomed Now i 1 billion % understand it was not fun for tanks, they were too easy to CC, and was very stressful as you wouldnt take 1 CC and die, instead you took like 5, CC needed tune down against tanks, and maybe balance so that 5 heroes with CC wouldn't synergize well with each other, but the lack of CC did make the game just too simple IMO The value no longer comes from plays, stopping someone temporarily, wasting cooldowns, instead you either kill or you don't, nothing really provides as much value as kill, specially if you get the other tank down

I want 6v6 back More Teamplay, Synergy and it allows for more Tanks to be played because they can somewhat cover each others weaknesses. Also less Counterswaps, Supports could be nerfed down because youd have another Tank again and when the Supports are nerfed and would (hopefully) have less invuls or dumb AoE heals it would feel much better. 2x Shield wouldnt even be a problem with Orisa reworked and with the overall shield nerfs, and they reduced lots of CC (Sombras Hack from 5s -> 1.5s, Mei freeze from fully frozen to just a slow, etc.) which would have improved 6v6 aswell. Idk, 6v6 just had more depth and a more fun skill curve, OW2 is so watered down you can win by counterswapping or pressing 1 Cooldown on Support, its just so boring.

Exactly what I've been saying Balance is all about risk/reward. That's key to making characters that are fair. Tracer hasn't changed much luckily in that respect and is the perfect example of a high risk, high reward hero. She can get one shot by like 70% of the crew but with her mobility and damage she can be exceptional in the right hands. Overwatch has forgotten about risk/reward. Every hero needs an escape, every hero needs "sustain", every hero needs a button press ability that does tons of damage with minimal effort. It feels so much less interesting to play now. The changes to Reaper and Genji are very good examples like you mentioned. Canceling deflect/teleport is such a dumb thing. It's a high reward ability if used right, why remove the risk of using it? Same with Hog's vape, Reinhardt's charge like you said. Same with Sombra's invis that just auto-enables now, you don't even need to press a button for it and it automatically starts after teleporting as well. I genuinely hope new management by Microsoft brings some new blood to the team that have better ideas. A lot of people are like "don't blame the devs, it was Kotick" but the devs still are the ones that decide the balance. And they've ruined Overwatch slowly but surely.

I think the rein charge change was fine. Charge was far too easy to punish for only the chance of getting one person and most of the time your team gets left behind. Hog example is perfect, everything about him has been changed to be made easier to fit the meta and the 5v5 format.

The devs got pretty much their narrative team and cosmetic team fired, but the incompetent balance and matchmaking team remain, along with their incompetent lead dev. I have no hope for Overwatch. Season 9 needs to be fantastic, or it collapses the game, because my trust in the devs is non existent.

That’s thanks to the player base like mercy players …rather than understanding one character will never be the best in every situation everyone complains how nothing is balanced at all (some hero’s were geniality broken) or roles like support where it was way hated in OW1 to get value . Now everything feels almost the same and not unique at all

I'd like to amend the reason people fell in love with Overwatch 1, specifically late 2016 OW1, around after Ana released. It's because it felt a lot more like an arena shooter, rather than the MOBA-spam and heal simulator that it is today. Consider that in open queue you almost never saw more that 2 tanks and healers on your team, the most amount of healing you had was mercy + ana at about 140 hp/s. That's less that Illiari could do by herself when she released, and it was also all single target. The only thing that made things like triple tank viable back then was the ridiculous amount of extra healing that nade provided. Not to mention Ana only had 10 shots in her rifle and a longer reload, and it really made the game feel like every 1v1 in the match was high stakes, even when fighting a tank. There were few if any get out of jail free cards, and those that existed were usually support ults. Heroes that were easier to play were generally not as viable as those with a higher skill floor and ceiling. For example Junkrat used to damage himself with his explosions and he only had one concussion mine. Hell, even nano boost didn't used to heal back then.

for me the thing that sucks the most about this game right now is the competitive system. i go 5-1 on a card and i go up 1 rank division. sometimes it takes hours to complete a card and get a rank update because you win then lose then win then lose, etc, its so tedious and boring lol. ranked system in the first game was leagues better than this system and hopefully they can atleast fix that with season 9 coming up because if not i might be quitting. i peaked master 2 and then i get streaks of losses with my teammates going 007 mode every match so it feels impossible to hit GM which is all i want to do.. the ranked reset should fix this PLEASE.

Dude I have been a torb main for years.... and I use to play it for 2cp maps and would enjoy trying to make it work in others. When I needed a close ranged assassin Id reaper, and if I needed ranged hitscan Id go cree. OW2 made torb both...but in doing so I lost all 3 as a pick and honestly I go torb for most stuff... and soldier cause of the consistancy.... and its bored me to no end.

Torb really needs to be able to have a variety of turret configurations. Slow long range higher damage rounds , fast medium damage anti personal, and perhaps a high damage flamethrower.

L take tbh

Everything you said was spot on, I’ll be referencing this video for the next few months

Have not watched yet, but I’m very cautious as this guy mained Doomfist.

bazed

agree

yay i love stronger gimmicks so skilled, balanced and fun

Dps doom was a thing that’s enough to make ow 1 better also nerf genji

Probably the best analysis of what is going wrong with overwatch. Opened my eyes about balancing vs gameplay design.

If they never abandoned the game for a failed pve then maybe game balance would be ok. Then again after 25 nerfs Brig still has about a 55% wr at all ranks lol

I always wonder why you still play this game and I think its because this is your peak in gaming.

I definitely agree with the first half of the vid

Chipsa based for once, what a time

Take 6vs6 back Please!!!!

chippy

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