Why Palpatine HATED the Most Powerful Sith In all of Star Wars 

Vitiate

@@timothyvanhoeck233 thx.

Really goes to show how free vitiate was. There was truly no morals that could shackle him, he simply was a force of nature that couldnt be stopped. Crazy to think that if the outlander didnt stop him then he would have suceeded

Well damn apparently I’m Darth Vitate 😂

​@@Beastly_Genius lol same

The Sith are in the empire business, NOT the apocalypse business! Valkorion is just the worst lolololol!

Pretty much just Vitiate, and Nihilus, both of which are a bit anomalous for Sith Lords.

​@@involuntaryanalysisnihilus was scarier tbh. Draining planets. Force wound.

@@Iroh10800 Vitiate did the same. x)

@@shironeko5183 yeah, but Nihilus had that eldritch abomination vibe, while Vitiate was just proto Palpatine.

Well said!

gun pointed at you but yes.

That's a great quote.

Sidious ruled for 23 Years

Vitiate never ruled the galaxy. He manipulated events for 1000 years but that's not the same as ruling.

Yet Sidious is the Sith''ari bro.

Sidious was part of story line takes nothing away from his power

Vitiate didn't have to contend with Luke Skywalker.

Fax’s

I mean even the dark side itself hated him. Both sides of the force worked as one to take down a threat to not just the Galaxy, but the entire universe.

I like how you pointed out the game's content but remember first this all happened in Satele's mind. Second they only served as witnesses to his death. In the end it was the force itself that eliminated Tenebrae for reverting to his origonal self. At that point the force no longer had any use for him. Remember like Revan, the Jedi Exile, and the light side Alliance commander (SW/SI/JC/JW) had become conduits in the force like Zakuul and Oddessen containing both light side and dark side energy. They channeled yin and yang to become something more moving beyond the two warring sides. That weakling Sidious schemed from the shadows and never sought to improve after killing his master in his sleep. He trained only if he believed his apprenatices were strong enough to murder him. Sidious was no Sith he was an aberration an insult to the order and his death only served to bring them prosperity like when I killed that fool on Mannan in SWTOR (Light Side Sith Warrior).

It took every Jedi to ever exist to sacrifice themselves in the living force to stop Sidious (Dark Empire), if you’re using Vitiate at all who is entirely legends you have to take Sidious’ legends feats, which are second to not Luke. The novels also say word for word Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord ever, so there’s that.

@@CommanderOfRussia1 brother that not even Canon

But the same differences. Melkor hated the created world, he tossed over mountains, emptied oceans and was just that: a destroyer. Sauron wanted to rule, like Sidious, not over a dead, empty world.

That's because Tolkien's universe is so superior in every sense of the way to any other fictional universe that most of them take off of in something, Star Wars being one of those...

@@AndresSztaba You mean Tolkien stole from Star Wars? Lol lotr fanboy detected opinion rejected

@@ascina The other way around. Middle Earth is a FAR superior universe than star wars, no argument about that...

@@AndresSztaba The other way around. The Star Wars universe is WAY and FAR MORE SUPERIOR of a universe than that of Middle Earth’s. no argument about that….

Do you imagine that actually Papa team is a huge fanboy but lies about it because he's ashamed to admit that there's no way he can top or even come close to him. So in this weird act of denial he will always just talk Like that's it is not worth my time ironically

The weird thing is that Vitiate did conquer the inherent self destructiveness of the Sith. Something the rest of order could only approximate with the rule of two and even than only if you adhere to the new lore that it exists to basically create one giant amalgation of all the previous Sith masters.

Vitiate ain't wrong

Palpatine: "and i took that personally"

Vitiate: "So you don't like me because I destroyed planets?" Palpatine: "No! Because you weren't efficient about destroying them! Space stations, not Force powers! Also I like my Coruscant Brandy. I want immortality AND my D*CK sucked! That is why you are an abomination!!!!!" Vitiate: "There was this one thing called the Star Forge..." Palpatine: "Go on..."

Yet darth nox> both

That's what I thought.

@@FrostByte_06 I caught that reference. good one!

@@tickledpickle5671 thats not a joke. Its real. I mean ecen george lucas stated ancient siths were stronger than modern ones and even in legends the strongest version of sidious, sidious got beaten up easely by karness murrs ghosg and karness murs is nothing compared to nox vitiate revan etc.

@@FrostByte_06 The reason I said that, was because at the end of the Inquisitor's main storyline in SWOTOR, A Dark side character gets that name. Darth Nox.

I still do not doubt he is the most powerful sith we know of thus far. Like who the actual hell actually manages to eat a planet's life force for breakfast, twice.

@@wolfox7776 Darth Nihilus

​@@Jarikraider nah he isnt the creator of nihilus said he would to both vader and Revan nihilus just overrated because of that one feat

@@Jarikraider Except Nihilus was a slave to his hunger. He couldn't be very powerful unless he fed recently. Vitiate could do the same and more, but without the drawbacks.

good point. Passion is the first tenent of the Sith. without it, was he truly a sith? one could argue his passion for achieving godhood was one of them, but what did he have after that? not much.

@@SupersaiyanChristian One could say that Valkorion followed the Sith code to the core . Through Passion (his Passion to become immortal) he gained Strength (he subdued the Sith Lords on Nathema) and gained Power, with his Power he created his Empire on Zakuul and gained Victory setting up his final stage to become free in his new host. But the Force had other ideas.

@@SupersaiyanChristian Valkorion loathed the Sith though. He considered them to be incomplete and flawed, didn't he?

It wasn't so much that he lost his emotions, as he lost his ability to *feel* - as I understand it, Vitiate actually genuinely lost like 90% of his ability to actually physically experience sensation after Nathema. That loss of capacity of sensation ended up being one of the biggest drivers toward his madness, since Vitiate's biggest drive is his desire to experience all things.

@@ASNS117Zero losing the previous form means losing the motivations (emotions) for what you wanted to do in the first place as if losing yourself what you were so it no longer makes sense that as a husk Vitiate would want to do the same things its like a new individual or a new species or whatever

some of the stuff he did was akin to what an actual demon unleashed form the pit would do. To even the most psychologically damaged Sith, the bizarre experiments and treacherous grand plans of the old Sith Emperor pursued were unquestionably abominable.

Not a stretch at all, actually. Pretty sure that at one point or another Valkorion outright says he's beyond Sith, or something to that effect.

Darth nox> valkorion> palpatine in terms of strongest sith

@@FrostByte_06 None of the TOR protagonists can solo Vitiate when Vitiate is actually putting his all into fighting. They *always* need outside help, either in the form of circumstances, or allies.

@@ASNS117Zero nox did. When valkorion tried to corript his body there were 2 bossfights. 1. With vaylin and second with valkorion

With that Rule of Two murder your master thing I think brotherly love is wayyy off the table.

well if I were a sith, the kind of love id desire would be a megalomaniacal type of love that I desire to be admired for my power. The ego stroking idea

Not really. Would rather be dead than live as a slave though that's just me.

Vitiate never bent the essence of existence itself (the force storm), Sidious did. And a lot of his feats in SWTOR at least are on other planes of existence where it’s easier to do stuff, palpatine never had such qualifiers to his power.

Except they have similar accolades, Sidious by ROTS and ROTJ is stated as the most powerful Sith lord in all of history. Authors placed Sidious alongside Vitiate in statements Sidious explicitly learnt of what Vitiate could do from Plaugeis telling him. Finally as said in SethTheProgrammers video there was Twitter statement from an author that said they are relative in power.

Isn't Sidious literally stated to be the strongest sith in history?? Only ones on his level or above are Yoda and the Skywalkers.

@@YuviSG02 Of the Rule of Two Era, it's a lot fuzzier when comparing him to Old Republic Era Sith and older

@DMBLaan I am pretty sure the statement just calls the strongest sith or the strongest sith in history. There is no mention of rule of 2 era. Plus he is the rival to Yoda (most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known). Based on narrative, Sidious should be far superior

@YuvrajSingh-lx6lu like many things, there are retcons upon retcons, for better or worse. The Old Republic Era wasn't really fleshed out until after Epiode 2 came out. So I admit this is technically more of an "opinion" than a "fact", but if you compare the 2 together as they were at their most powerful points, there's really no way Sidious is stronger in the Force than Viciate

Plagueis was a multibillionaire financier, Tenebrous was a multimillionaire ship designer...they didn't live in the shadows.

Rule of one

By the time Plaugeis comes in the true philosophy of rule of 2 had been lost. The fault was not the philosophy but the individuals who carried it out.

@@kirkdavis2881 Did everyone know that they were sith?

@@bernardoayres1139 I take it you haven’t read the Bane trilogy. It is by far one of the best book series out there. It will change the way you think about the Rule of 2.

Amen, preach

He had become so powerful that he believed he was a God. In the end the force chosen to dispose of him. Imagine a God choses a toy to play with and then dispose of when it gets bored. That is what happened. The mortis gods served a purpose but their actions proved to be their undoing while Tenebrae lost his purpose when he returned to his original body upon death reverting to the point of irrelevancy. Try to explain the mysteries of the force to someone like Kathleen Kennedy and you'll see the computing power some of these fans are working with.

That made valkorian closer to the sith ideal than sidious. The sith ideal was to become a demi god not an emperor.

@@samirsaweras231 ...did you really have to take a sexist, stupid jab at Kathleen Kennedy who DOESN'T write anything in the Star Wars universe she just supervises and produces? Seriously are the Disney haters this stupid on what Kennedy's actual role is?

@@robertbarrows6687 It's not sexism I genuinely believe that she the person is a fucking moron. I can have that opinion and not hate women. Gender doesn't or at least shouldn't matter your qualifications are important and she proved that she doesn't understand Star Wars. The Disney trilogy was an unmitigated disaster in my personal opinion.

@@markcarpenter6020 The Sith ideal is the acquisition of power at whatever cost is deemed necessary. Not necessarily to become a god. It is a valid path to power sure but there's a reason tenebrae eventually died. With that in mind their both equal when it comes to how close to the Sith ideal they are. The path to power the two chose was simply two different but very valid paths for Sith ideals. What matters to Sith ideals is power, political or Force based it doesn't matter.

Through Godhood the Emperor would achieve everything. Tenebrae saw himself above everyone so much so that nothing no one mattered aside from the Outlander (Wrath, Darth Imperious/Nox/ lesser degree 3rd Barsenthor Warden of the Jedi Order/Jedi Battlemaster) and his family. Yet all that would betray/not serve him were treated with contempt. Sidious was just a weak schemer who was able to trick his enemies into destroying one another and in the end destroyed himself. He also made terrible strategic moves with the worst being the destruction of Alderan. It was just as Leia said in Episode 4 a new hope. There's my thoughts sorry for the spelling.

I have to disagree from purely objective side sidus was never evil he always in his mind did see himself as the good guy while vitiate wanted to be everyone and no-one to feel everside. Also sidius being weak enough that ancient sith spirit nearly killed him while vitiate could devour them if he pleased and sidius did bad stuff for a reason meaning larger scale invasion and destruction of universer makes sidius a anti hero while vitiate is just purely true neutral as nothing which doesn't last for eternity never matters. only thinh which is evil is character who are evil for evils sake and understand they are doing evil.

And sidious was wrong. The goal of the sith was to become a demi god. Not a lowly emperor.

@@markcarpenter6020 Sidieous was only wrong when he was defeated. He was the Sith Lord, he had defeated the Jedi and had conquered the Galaxy. He was the first and so far only Sith to achieve it.

@@Watcherofprovidence so. Ruling the galaxy was never the goal of pre rule of two sith. It was a side effect of their goal of becoming a god. The rule of two made it their main goal.

Could see some real world parallels when it comes to Judeo-Christianity and Satanism. Christianity requires surrender Satanism demands sacrificing and destruction. Passion and Ambition is forbidden in the bible while Satanists live for lust and pleasure. Kinda see where I'm going with this without being too preachy.

​@@jconnor117My thoughts exactly! I would just tweak one thing though. God doesn't require you to let go of passion. Rather, through relationship with Jesus, God hones your personality, gifts, and passion to be in the Light. For service for God and people, selfless passion, coming from a place of love, not of greed or vain ambition. Another thing I thought of is that the Light always wins in the end. George Lucas said that the dark side was unnatural and a perversion of the Force. Similarly, what God intended for great good in giving his creations free will, a certain level of power, and access to some of his creation, was perverted by some of his creations, swinging the world into darkness, violence, and death. Yet despite this, the Light has defeated the darkness with a sacrifice of self and bringing redemption through the only one who could - Jesus Christ.

@@Jesse-lo7nw I like the way you think. It would take the child of the Spirit or Force to bring redemption to the Spirit or Force and in turn balance the Universe.

​@@jconnor117 the Satanism yall are talking about is mostly mythical and propaganda. Satanism as an actual structured religion is a confrontation of christisn hypocrisy. Maliciously easy for the preacher who holds no faith with his power to accuse others of wrongdoing to hide his own crimes. Christians also have a way more massive kill count over centuries than so called "satanists" in tiny murder cults. America, Africa and the Middle East have been drenched in blood by christian swords and bullets. Reckon with your own skeletons before bringing up "Satan" which is a much more modern invention.

@@ayceinquisitor190 You are a fool

They say that the force itself acted against valkorion, since He manipulated it too much

@@robinsondermann6715 exactly, like even the living force is just like "this guy's gotta go"

True, but he'll have to destroy the Star wars universe first by consuming everything....Vitiate/Tenebrae/Valkorian believes in the multiverse theory....and wants to watch and/or experience from a higher plain.

@@alphamal6310 Not quite what is implied in TOR. He simply intends to outlive it and be there when the cycle begins again.

@@alphamal6310 Yeah that was not his implication his plan was to destroy the SW main Galaxy not the whole universe .... and then travel the Universe experiencing other galaxies ... until one universe ends and a new one begins naturally

He's literally a genocidal maniac hellbent on murdering trillions of people for his own personal ambition. The "utopia" he wanted to create was for himself and himself alone. You're right that Vitiate isn't a Sith, he's something much, much worse

And did not mention one time how palp hated vitiate. 10 minutes of yap.

@@alexmcintosh398 yeah its almost impressive

No PFP, opinion invalid, get back to studying.

I totally agree. There is power that Vitiate wields that Palpatine can only dream about.

​@@ProWalter2 Sidious is the most powerful sith ever. It's not a debate.

@@aaronconway5404 I disagree with that, Vitiate literally possessed an entire planet and drained it of all of its force essence like darth Nhilius, pretty sure palpatine couldn't do that.

@@ProWalter2 it's not something to be disagreed with. It's just how the lore of SW is set out.

@aaronconway5404 I mean, I absolutely can disagree with it, that's why I can give opinions. You can think that Palpatine is the most powerful sith lord, I am not obligated to agree with that.

The ancient sith don't even got a breath of an existence on sidious. The best in the old republic is draining a planet which is planet surface level. Tpm sidious is enough as he shook planets, stars and formed constellations with his aura alone. By feats Tpm sidious > everyone in the old republic 😂

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​@@F3AN0RXINFERN0While I do agree Sidious is stronger than any Old Republic Sith, including Vitiate himself, it seems you're relying on Supernatural Encounters. That one is non-canon (in Legends).

​@@emzonik8851old republic is non canon as well, it's only fair to compare both characters in the same expanded universe version

@@vadimananenko2452 OR is canon to Legends. There's a common misconception among the casuals that Legends is everything that's not canon. It's the former Expanded Universe and as such stands as a parallel official continuity (as recognised by the Story Group). Supernatural Encounters is not an official part of Legends EU, it isn't even licensed either. It's simply fanfiction.

its a self defeating philosophy where selfishness is a limiter that sabotages maximising potential

If Vader was not strong enough to overcome his master's manipulations, then he wasn't strong enough to take his place. That's how it works.

Thats why palpatine was weak af

@@joshuatoms7664I don’t know if that’s what that means, if you hold back information they can’t get elsewhere I don’t know if that’s manipulation. Also the whole reason many of them turn is due to manipulation.

@@joshuatoms7664 the problem with that is that Vader wasn’t trained to be cunning or deceptive, but as a tool and enforcer. Sidious’ training under plagueis and the rule of two was through deception and infiltration, while Vader was trained through trials and combat. Brains and brawn is how I would describe it. Sidious had eyes everywhere and was always steps ahead if Vader ever tried to secretly overthrow him. Which is why Vader always tried to kill Sidious through strength and power rather than elaborate schemes. Vader even at his fullest potential was never powerful enough to defeat Sidious and could only accomplish this with an ally that surpassed his power and rivaled Sidious’. Attempting to undermine Sidious’ manipulation was never in the cards for Vader.

doesnt full potential anakin (not the half body vader form) outpower sidious?

​@@starc.Full potential Anakin is not a real character. He doesn't exist.

@@Pandemia616 Vader is also a fictional character that doesnt exist

@starc. What? Full potential Anakin does not exist as a character in Star Wars. He is a hypothetical idea. How dense can someone be, seriously.

@@Pandemia616 i'm still keeping my question

Palpatine as emperor became the most powerful Sith Lord of all time. He saw himself as Sith'ari during the time he murdered his master.

@@headstrongbachelor3152 and if I see myself as the god emperor of mankind, do I become it? Yoda warns about future visions. The future is always changing. Because ou see something it doesn't have to become real. He was powerful, incredibly so, but sidious was no vitiate, and ultimately got killed by an already weakened Vader, who got beat by his son.

@@torbenfranke1859 Vitiate was no god. He was killed by Jedi where he then lived for 1000 years in different bodies without taking over the galaxy at all and eventually end in chaos. Sidious ruled the galaxy for 20 years and did it from his palace by using telepathy and force dominating mind combined and he eat a planet by force drain and created powerful force storms that could annihilate a planet. The way you talk about Palpatine reminds me of those who idiots who discredits Voldemort and say "Grindelwald is the most powerful dark wizard of all time" and "Voldemort could not take over a school". I can tell you shitheads from this backward society that just like Voldemort is the most powerful dark wizard of all time Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord of all time.

@@torbenfranke1859 Vitiate was no god. He was killed by Jedi and lived for 1000 of years only because he transferred his essence to different bodies. He never took over the galaxy.

I'd hate to stumble on Darth Nihilus' holocron if one was kept. That would be some messed up shit.

​@@jconnor117tulak hord> nilhus

Viatiate didn't keep holocrons. He didn't care.

Dont forget he is irrelevant due to power creep

Palatine and valkorion crush him

hes 1000000000% better than the crybaby of the sith punkass wrinkles/sidious not to mention one of of the only sith that was never really challenged for his rule of real sith still not sure if hes the GOAT but hes up there all i know is F Palpy

@@newhybrid101 power creep power scaling makes me angry af because there's so many ancient Sith with cool designs and backstories but theoretically get washed by their dark side descendants or future Jedi.

@@blackshogun272 Ignore it, some people need a nice little box to think within.

What isn't about me?

​@@DarthNox66 Goated

@@navyseal4000 Yes

Starting off the EternalEmpire of Zakuul stood for about 1,000 years being founded by Tenebrae some time after the great hyperspace war ended. Through Godhood the Emperor would achieve everything. Tenebrae saw himself above everyone so much so that nothing no one mattered aside from the Outlander (Wrath, Darth Imperious/Nox/ lesser degree 3rd Barsenthor Warden of the Jedi Order/Jedi Battlemaster) and his family. Yet all that would betray/not serve him were treated with contempt. Sidious was just a weak schemer who was able to trick his enemies into destroying one another and in the end destroyed himself. He also made terrible strategic moves with the worst being the destruction of Alderan. It was just as Leia said in Episode 4 a new hope. There's my thoughts sorry for the spelling.

@@samirsaweras231 Well, first off, Sidius himself said that Alderaan shouldn't be destroyed, it was Tarkin idea and he did this, not Palps. Second of, you are talking about Valkorion not Tenebre or Vitiate. Main difference is that Tenebre and Vitiate kina wanted to became a God of Death that could rivale Abeloth power (this was their plan, not an actuall reality), while Valkorion at the begining wanted same, but then, how Tenebre said this? He get distracted by lower things like family, Zakuul and finding worthy heir. Don't get me wrong, all 3 versions are pure evil, but Valkorion is most sane of them all. He really loved Senya in some way, and he wanted his sons to become worthy heir, and when they become a disapointment he chose Outlander, and depends which class you play (Im considering only Force Users): Knight: wanted Zakuul to blend in Republic and win against Sith Empie Consular: IDK, I didn't played, but probably read some books, Warrior: He wanted do restore and fix Sith Empire by getting read of egoistical Sith and make Malgus, Sidius and Marr vision to become true Inquisitor: Nox would probably the only one that Valkorion would call worthy as he is not atached to any institution like Republic or Empire. Nox wpuld most likely beat both Sith and Republic, United them, and make them weak enough to not start another war, we can say that, heh, he would creat an Eternal Allience.

Force sensitives are not weaker. Jedi are. The few Sith in the modern era are incredibly powerful.

I couldn't disagree with you more, I feel deeply disturbed that you compare vitiate to sidious. Vitiates story is done he died like fives times already he's finished, EOO was his last story. In terms of power vitiates best is draining a planet with aid which is planet surface level. Sidious in tpm shook planets, stars, and formed constellations with his aura, later he used his abilities on a galaxy scale to diminish the abilities of the jedi during order 66, he later was so strong that his presence imbalanced the force on a universal scale, and finally he was able to use force storm wormholes which are 5D which is a multiversal feat. Vitiate by feats can't compare to Sidious. Sidious brutally kills vitiate by sheer overwhelming power. Jedi and sith during the prequels > jedi and sith during the old republic. Feats: Yareal poof contained a supernova bomb, yoda felt the death of every jedi on a galaxy level, obiwan cracked grevious armor which tanked a planet surface level attack, shaakti turned a planet into a lightside nexus with just her presence, oppo rancisis used battle meditation on a solar system level etc. The best in the old republic is draining a planet which is planet surface level 💀. The power gap between the old era and the new era isn't close. Prequel era by feats stomps.

Or darth nihilus

No, it was intended for what was stated: the capacity to kill a planet. He made it because he wanted to focus more on fully studying the Dark Side than running his Empire and delegate the running of it to the Moffs, Governors, and Vader. Mind you, he wasn’t giving up any power and Tarkin suspected that Palpatine had something planned in the event that whoever ran the Death Star tried to overthrow him but he wanted to not have to run the Empire.

@@ianferguson6244 That's one opinion. At this point probably doesn't matter, the sequels ran this property into the ground.

Did you listened what that guy said in this video? When Palpatine said we shall have peace it was a manipulation, he had no belief galaxy would prosper under him. Valkorian is the one that sees himself as good guy, he believed he would bring permanent peace to galaxy, even if it is extremely twisted. If he killed everyone because there would be no one left and there would be no conflicts anymore, while Palpatine didn t want to kill everyone in the galaxy because he wanted to make citizens slowly suffer. If they were all dead he could no longer do that. I do agree about everything else you said tho.

@@Morgunth86 Yeah I do disagree somewhat, Palpatine wanted immortality to be able to rule the galaxy as he saw fit until the end of time. As much as he was an evil bastard, he didn’t take time out of his day to torture your average citizen. In truth all he wanted was absolute obedience and in return he would grant prosperity and order. Star Wars to me is a mirror of the wants and needs of the average person. George Lucas is a fabulous storyteller in the sense that he illustrates how easy it is for people to accept horrible things for order, security and prosperity I.e Nazi Germany. The Empire did some bad stuff but if you were completely obedient and loyal to it you would probably live a happy life. Most species and groups in Star Wars didn’t care about some alien groups being enslaved because most found ways of living in the Empire. Palpatine’s massive mistake was Wilhuff Tarkin, who is sort of a mix of Heinrich Himmler/Hermann Goering. Tarkin was a human supremacist, aristocracratic complete nut case. He believed that his terror doctrine would destroy any rebellion. When in fact the Death Stars bankrupted the Empire, and finally rallied the people who were happy with order under Totalitarian rule to action. Until the destruction of Alderann, the Rebellion didn’t have a chance in hell of winning. As soon as that peaceful loyal member of the Empire was destroyed because of Tarkin’s arrogance, the Empire was doomed. I actually think that Palpatine did mean it when he said “we shall have peace” without the Jedi or any obvious enemies that would be peace. Vitiate had no concept of peace, his peace was a universe of absolutely nothing, as Stupendous wave said. But nice to have some differing opinions, be well, hopefully Disney kill Darth KK before she destroys what’s left of Star Wars 👍🙏

@@spursultra3158 Nah, Tarkin is the one that wants Order and Peace, Palpatine doesn t even have "Delusional" category on his Villains Wiki page. Which if you don t know is category for villains that see themselves as good guys.

@@Morgunth86 If you actually look at Legends and Canon, Tarkin is the one who orchestrates most of the massacres. I’m not saying that Palpatine was good, but the Sith had a belief in order through strength and power. After he wiped out the Jedi, Palps spent the majority of his time studying Sith alchemy and artefacts. He left all the Jedi hunting to Vader and the Inquisition, all the rebel hunting to Tarkin and his human supremacist allies. Palps pretty much decided that after Vader got beaten and mutilated that he was looking for a new apprentice. But also he started to develop his new Sith doctrine of the rule of one. So all his efforts went into finding immortality. You can’t always trust wookiepedia especially since they changed the canon. As far as I’m concerned Palpatine was Neutral Evil, rather than chaotic, in some respects he’s actually lawful evil. After he whacked the Jedi he just lived it up and built stuff, partied, went to the opera, and researched immortality. Only periodically surfacing to sort out a political crisis or get Vader back on track. Think about it, most Imperial citizens hated the Jedi and the republic, loved order and control. Most imperials were like Thrawn, they were fair, loyal and competent. It was Tarkin’s people and the ISB that were zealots. Also you can’t disagree that Tarkin stuffed up blowing up Alderann in canon and legends that was what made half the galaxy side with the rebels.

@@spursultra3158 Would you care to explain why Palpatine is Neutral Evil? I mean it is true, but the fact you think he believes he is bringing peace to galaxy originally seemed like you think he is Lawful Evil. So could you tell me how can you say he is Neutral Evil despite the fact you think he believes he is bringing peace to the galaxy?

That point is made to Vitiate/Valkorian but he retorts by making the point that the Galaxy they reside in isn't the only one

@@riperiver Yeah, the fact that so few people know these details of the conversation is what proves to me that 90% of the people who comment on this subject never actually played TOR.

When hear about Valkorion’s philosophy of the force and the sith, I can’t help but feel Sedious would have become him, eventually. Had he succeeded in achieving immortality on the level of Valkorion, I think it would have only been a matter of time. All that would have been left for him is the love of power, and maybe that’s why he truly hated Valkorion. He feared becoming as mad as him when he ultimately achieved his goal in the force.

@@ander2317 While that can be true, Tenebrae was straight up born an insane evil monster. The entire reason he even became Emperor of the Sith was because he wanted to use them to do the Ritual he used on Nathema on the whole galaxy. For that he needed: 1. time to study and create the necessary Ritual, 2. a huge sacrifice. The empire he had was perfect for it as he wanted to use it to wage war on the republic and thus create pain and death which he needed for the Ritual. Also he was able to hide behind the Empire and scheme in the background. Man.. he really was a monster.. One has just think about it.. This one madman manipulated 1500 years of galactic history. All the conflicts, all the pain and destruction was because of him.. and in the end even the Sith were terrified of him and wanted him gone.

Darth Vitiate was a sith, but when he ascended to Emperor Valkorion he definitely became something greater than a sith or jedi.

Revan was more in a limbo than being a sith though

@@Arutemysu Revan was what Sith could and should be, a fighter with purpose that is not about him

Sidious would never share power, same with Bane and Tulak Hord. The rest would unironically make a good society. Though really you just need Lana and Marr.

@@jagd7102 It isn't abour sharing power, but building better Sith Epire, and in that Bane and Hord are really good at

@DarthNox66 Bane is completely opposed to the idea of a Sith Empire as it existed before Russan. And cooperation and power sharing is necessary to have a functional Empire. Otherwise it falls apart into infighting

Perfect analogy actually

Darth nox> palpatine

Exclusively Canon Sidious yes. If we’re talking Dark Empire Legends Sidious, where he could create force storms and drain planets like Byss, then probably not. Sidious on that level or power scale is probably a tick or 2 above Vitiate even.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@christianscrogins663yes and we have to take legends Sidious if we compare them

@@DavyJones_ Sorry, that was the point I was trying to imply, thank you for the follow up. Yes, Canon Sidious is a complete mismatch. It only makes sense to compare Legends Sidious to Vitiate, who is still currently legends only.

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Sidious completely erradicates vitiate with immeasurable ease. Vitiates best is draining a planet with aid which is planet surface level. Sidious in tpm is enough but I'll tell Sidious' other feats. Sidious in tpm shook planets, stars, and formed constellations with his aura, next he used his abilities on a galaxy level to diminish the abilities of the jedi during order 66, he later was so immense that his very presence imbalanced the force on a universal scale, and finally he mastered force storm wormholes which are 5D by hyperspace which is a multiversal feat. Vitiates isn't even planetary while Sidious is multiversal level. Sidious overkills 😂.

Vitiate is the one that is jealous actually as he's in choas moping about how he could never come close to sidious' power. Vitiates best is draining zoist with aid which is planet surface level 😂. Sidious in tpm shook planets, stars and formed constellations with his aura in tpm, later he used his abilities on a galaxy level to diminish the abilities of the jedi during order 66, after that he was so powerful that his very presence brought an imbalance to the force on a universal scale, he then mastered force storm wormholes which is 5D and multiversal. Sidious is multiversal level while vitiate isn't even planetary level. Sidious obliterates sorry man.

Don't joke with me please.

I just gave George a billion dollar franchise idea. Hit me up if you see this Mr Lucas 😉

Even as a Sheev fanboy I would be cool with that. It would actually make more sense than Sheev mastering all forms and Force abilities to rival Yoda. And all that while being a fake politician, decent enough to manipulate his way to the most powerful position in the galaxy. It would make sense if he was 5000 years old and already the strongest Force-sensitive in galactic history by the time his essence took over the infant Sheev. That would also explain why Sheev was so evil from the start.

@@Sandlund93 While interesting I can’t imagine the writing necessary to back up such a story. On a personal note I’m not sure I’d ever accept a storyline like that.

@@samirsaweras231 Yeah, it would rob us of an entire character basically. But they are too much alike to not entertain the idea, if only for a bit. The best thing Disney could do would be to hire George and give him free reins on a Sheev series that explored his backstory. But they're obviously too proud for that.

That's what Palpatine wants you to think 😂 In reality he's thinking like Robot Chicken Sidious

He was way more strategic than to waste the destructive power of the Death Star on a dead planet that nobody knew existed or cared about. If he hated Tenebrae it was out of jealousy. This was a guy who conquered his home planet, as a 13-year-old, through brute Force. That's something Sheev never managed, he went the political route. Most likely because he had to resort to that, or he would have been hunted down and destroyed by the Jedi. He was a greater genius and more deceptive but he was simply not strong enough to gain influence in the way Tenebrae did. And he definitely didn't impact the galaxy for 1500 years.

I think that's a Bad idea. Blowing up Alderaan is one thing, but a Planet that has Sith Tombs and Sith SPirits on it, is probably a verrrrrry bad idea. Same thing with Yavin4. It is known to have the Spirits of Naga Sadow, Exar Kun and many others on it. Imagine if the Galactic Empire succeeded in blowing up Yavin4. My Goodness, Darth vader and Palpatine will be Haunted for their entire life by angry Sith Spirits. A Good thing that Palpatine wasn't there. The jedi might've felt Alderaan's Destruction, but the Sith would sense Yavin4's Destruction like a Dagger stabbing in their heart. Sith should never destroy sith planets like Korriban, Ziost,... there is not evena clue if Nathema and Zakuul still exist in WIld Space. By the time of the Clone Wars they could already be destroyed or devoured by a Black Hole or SOmething. Wild Space is more unpredictable then the Unknown Regions.

For how many years?

Only for like 20 years though,in the grand schemeof things that's nothing.

Just curious, but who do you think could be more powerful a Sith than Darth Sidious?

@@SuperbiaNox Anyone of the great masters born before him.

@@SuperbiaNox Vitiate/Valkorion and Nihilus were stronger but weren't TRUE sith. Revan or Malgus are the closest thing to Sidious in power that are true sith

But palpating has that wormhole power so he is commendable too