Why Patriots Coaches Fail Outside of New England: Bill Belichick's Complicated Coaching Tree 

@@alexjames5526 Only as a player

You mentioned Judge and Flores in the video. You shouldn't have to mention them in a pinned comment lol

We all know that you only didn't mention Mike Vrabel in this video because you're afraid he would beat you up

He was part of Bill O’Brian’s coaching staff so yes he is a part of the tree

“The jury is out on Joe Judge” I see what you did there

The short-sleeve hoodie is the essence of dark side football couch.

Lmaoo, also everyone’s minds are different. He just seems to be a genius who knows how to play to his strengths

Bellicheck ain't shit without Tom Brady. Brady was like a coach on the field and gave the team confidence. He'd be lucky to have one ring without Brady.

A good Sensei never teaches their pupils EVERYTHING they know.

Like how Mike Vrabel using his tricks against him last year

The Chad reasoned take vs the Virgin first impression

He hit the nail on the head. In the future, Matt Patricia and Bill O'brien will get highlighted for flunking out of their towns in the same season. But, given that both those teams are now being revealed to have player attitude problems, perhaps the culture was just too broken to fix. Where as, Judge and Flores have adopted much younger teams/players, yet to reach a stagnant rut.

@@thedarkemissary Flores did not adopt a young team, he and Grier had to tear down the team first, before building the young team you see today and it will get younger next season with the draft thanks to BoB.

Especially since Flores is in the same division as Bill

You can't take losers and make them winners

😂😂😂😂

God damn you for predicting the future with Mac. You’ve cursed us all.

This aged too well...

@zyzz lives in all of us haha for real.

We've gotten reports from a Patriots spy it confirms the worst somehow Bill Belichick returned.

Me too, expected his voice to be a lot deeper. Kinda the same situation with OSU's Ryan Day lol

I thought the same thing! I think I first heard him talk at the senior bowl

Ikr

It's the beard, his actual face matches his voice

Kind of like General Patton. For some reason I thought he would sound gruff like George C. Scott in the movie Patton, but nope, not at all.

Oddly specific

Why did I coincidentally run into you here and saw you in Dofu stream chats

Cmon now that’s ridiculous... he’s only on season 3

Diesel patches

Why do I feel attacked

That why Wlash is my GOAT coach

@@dewanewelch1744 dennis green was also on bill walsh's staff, he was the qb/wr coach may both rest in peace

lot of superbowl winners there huh

And Tomlin has successfully sawed off his branch of that tree

Brian Flores is a fantastic defensive coordinator. He unloaded overpriced underperforming players into draft capitol and acquired really good former Patriots. Makes sense to me.

Easy....Brady left the AFC. Seriously though the rebuild was already started when the interim coach took over year before last thinking 🤔 it was the defensive coordinator for the fins. Flores got rid of ALOT of fluff players and brought that next man up mentality you hear it and see it at Miami. Remember when the Pats won their first SB with a group of nobody's? And the rest is history.

@@Dadolphinsmakemecry We didn't have an interim coach between Adam Gase and Flores.

@@Dadolphinsmakemecry with a group of nobody's and the refs.

I think it's the difference between a coach who embraces the talent that he has to work with (Flores) versus what Miami had previously in a coach who pushed 90% of their talented players out the door (Gase). Flores seems to have the ability to tap into what makes his players tick, what gets them going.. they fight for him.

I think it was more Tom Brady way

bro good comment, such good points, Josh Mcdaniels acted just like Patricia when he got that Job in Denver and admits he was dumb for being that way lol Anyways great comment and it is very interesting to watch Bill now without Tom.

The Flores point didn’t age well

@@Somewheredownintexas Well, based on what we understand at this time, it doesn't look like a lot of what happened in Miami was on Brian Flores. Assuming some of the stuff we're hearing is true, the best we can say is that Dolphins management did him dirty.

I completely disagree. He's more loose now. He was much stricter then.

🤣🤣🤣

@@damienwhited87 my coworker and friend is actually jamie collins' cousin he said bill used to crack jokes like that all the time...he'd actually would joke with players during the off season....he had a dry wit sense of humor....the thing with his coordinators is that they dont understand human behavior or how to relate to players....every successful nfl coach the legends all had sense of humors and could crack jokes, they understand how tough it is to be a player so they understand its ok to relax and have fun after working hard on the gridiron

You’re

@@alexandriaocasio-smollett5078 Damn you’re lucky if you even got friends who genuinely like you.

@@cam42704 I don’t. I’ve come to terms with it. So it’s all good man.

@@alexandriaocasio-smollett5078 damn are we in english class? We taking a test or something?

@@thenickfoxx When did someone correct me though?

Fun fact: The Scientist is played by Ralphie from A Christmas Story

Ironically enough, Saban was an assistant for Belichick that obviously went on to succeed.

@@zachwachter8214 he wasn't a Patriots assistant though, was he?

@@blakeharris58 with the browns

Sabin is the opposite. He takes coaches off the scrap heap and plugs them right in and rehabs their rep.

Remember all that money they spent during Free agency?

Even Belichick needs Brady, cause bill sucks now...

@@thegoat5334 Riiiiight!!!!! LOL!

The person below me is a good person :D

Truer now more than ever

@@evanlarsen-chaney2301 thanks G, you pretty dope also

Not until he cuts off that mullet

@@bookswithbenjamin8902 but it's the patriot way

you talk about him like he's the next king of an ancient kingdom

@@11conormcloughlin I was trying to decide whether Steve would take over the patriots after Bill, or if he would go to a different team

It's rumored he's playcalling for the defense now and sounds EXACTLY like his dad. Scary thought. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PUnsf6B6OVc.html

Operation cinder will only last for one season and after that I do see bill coming back to make the rest of the NFL hell again

@@attiepollard7847 I can't see the Pats being that dominant again. They don't really have a good receiver core, no Brady, right now they don't even have a competent QB and Cam is probably not the best fit with Belichick's system, and they most likely gonna trade Gilmore but if not, he's unlikely to stay and his contract expires next year. Other top corners like Jalen Ramsey, Marlon Humphrey and Tre’Davious White already signed extensions with their teams. There will be a lot of free agent QBs and some big name receivers this offseason, but many of them expected to resign with their current teams. And without Brady, the Patriots has lost a good part of their appeal to free agents.

@@attiepollard7847 damn you kinda called it, one season then back to the playoffs… but the bills made light work of the pats so 🤷‍♂️

For a defensive “genius” it’s mind boggling how bad he’s made our defense.

I never really understood the whole Lions strategy of hiring defensive coaches to coach a team that clearly has most of its talent on the offensive side. Its like "Hmm, our top players are Stafford, Calvin Johnson, Kennny Golladay etc. so lets hire a defensive coordinator to be our head coach to maximize their talents, that makes sense."

@@koonteriskool honestly I agree with every word you just said

I sympathize I'm a Broncos fan and we had to deal with little dictator Josh Mc Daniels

@@koonteriskool thank you buddy. That was such a good description of the lions and the way they’ve worked in the last decade plus

And a year after this comment, both head coaches were fired, Joe Judge failing miserably

@@thomass7466 romeo crennell's issue he tried to stray away to the point he wouldnt even run the same defense as he did in new england...he didnt run any hybrid 3-4/4-4 schemes and just ran soft 3-4 storm ...and matt patricia is an idiot.....beliecheck never did any of them things....you can see this when his teams celebrate with him ...in fact beliecheck is one of the coaches who allow players to have fun as long as they work hard its like matt, josh, and matt focused on the "work hard' mentality, first off beliecheck is seen running and working out as hard as his players, how are you gonna talk about "hard work" when youre riding on a quad like matt was? bill o'brien's issue was he was trying to "build like beliecheck" he doesnt have the clout belicheck had.... belicheck never would trade an elite moss for an injury prone wr, outside of football o'brien was a really good guy, donated millions to charities (including black lives matter) but hes a terrible headcoach and gm

Bill and Tom imo but yes

Looks like that has already happened with Flores. Seeing how he was the one that kept the Patriots from getting a first round bye last season which knocked them out of the playoffs in the wildcard round. And then this year Flores was the one that eliminated the Patriots from playoff contention and also made sure the Patriots couldn't finish with a winning record for the first time in 20yrs.

It seems to be happening more and more. Vrabel's Titans beat the Patriots in 2018 and the 2019 playoffs, as did O'Brien's Texans in '19, Patricia's Lions in '18, and Flores' Dolphins (split season series) in '19 and '20.

Kraft is best friends with goddell so it’s no surprise they are successful

@@wisewolftony Flores is maul he’s his own man now not part of the sith no more

Well, it wasn't just Brady

EXACTLY Seth

No it was Brady..and the way he demanded everyone to get on the same page..👍👍

No lol

Isn’t like Watson and Stafford aren’t good BOB and Patricia straight up failed them

It’s crazy to me how connected some of the best coaches are. It’s pretty cool to think about.

@@EJD339 - Yes. Walsh was the OC for Cincinnati in the 70's. When Brown retired and the promoted the DC instead of Walsh, Bill left to the NCAA and Stanford. Meanwhile, the Bengals continued to use his playbook. When SF hired Walsh and Super Bowl 16 was 49ers vs Bengals, it was pretty much the same teams in a mirror match. Sam Wyche was the backup QB for Walsh in the 70's and later became his assistant HC with SF. Wyche would then become the Bengals HC in the mid 80's and would face Walsh in Super Bowl 23. Again, the system and styles would face off in a mirror match. Bill Walsh got his NFL start with the Raiders and gives a lot of credit to Al Davis, including how to run practice and many other ideas. Mike Shanahan worked for Al Davis and the Raiders before going to the 49ers and learned under Walsh as well. Shanahan was the OC for the 49ers after Holmgren left and helped SF with the Super Bowl in 1994 before going on to coach the Broncos. As a result, the Packers vs Broncos Super Bowl was essentially two 49ers and Bill Walsh coaching tree teams facing off in yet another mirror match. Kyle Shanahan, Mike's son, faced off just this Feb. 2020 against Andy Reid in a third generation of that Walsh coaching tree and similar schemes/concepts/philosophies. Yes, the game has adapted over the decades, but the core principals have remained. WR route combinations, QB triangle reads, approaches to practice, scripting plays and so much more all came from a combination of All Davis, Paul Brown and Bill Walsh.

@Harry Engel Paul Brown and his impact upon the league is totally underappreciated

@@paulgaither you say mirror teams, but didn't the Bengals lose? By record setting proportions?

@@fuckgoogle6716 - No, that was Denver who lost 55-10 and was coached by Dan Reeves... which is funny, because Reeves would later coach the Falcons and go to the Super Bowl against his former team (Denver) which was led by Mike Shanahan of the Bill Walsh tree. So, both times he made it to the big show, he had to face the Walsh tree and got smashed. Poor guy. He was a good coach. Super Bowl 16 had a final score of 26-21. The 49ers had a crucial goal line stand in the third quarter. Look it up. It was a good game. Super Bowl 23 was the epic come back by SF and the throw to John Taylor.

To be fair, Halas had Joe Stydahar (coach of the 1951 NFL champion Los Angeles Rams) and George Wilson (coach of the 1957 NFL champion Detroit Lions).

Yes! Arguably the greatest single-season collapse of all time! Went from ahead 3.5 games with 10 games to go to *losing* the division by *5 games!* That's an 8.5 game swing in *ten games* (from 6-0 to 8-8)! Ugh! And the worst is that that blight is not even an aberration when it comes to Belichick's coaches! McDaniels is but *one* former Belichick coach who *badly embarrassed* franchises and set them back indefinitely! Romeo Crennel's single season with the Chiefs was one in which he took a team that had *six* Pro Bowlers (yes, the Chiefs had *six* players make the Pro Bowl in Crennel's one season in charge of them. For perspective, the last 7 years, the average number of Pro Bowlers on *Super Bowl* winning teams was *4.71,* including *six* on the *Chiefs* Super Bowl LIV winning team- tying a franchise record that was set the year of, you guessed it, Crennel's time in charge!) and won *two games,* making us the worst team in the league and tying the franchise record for *worst season!* I don't think I need to go into Eric Mangini's failure with the Jets! You all know the story (another one of the largest single-season collapses of all time in '08-'09)! Then, of course, there's the coaches STE mentioned in the video and how they've likely set their franchises back *many years!* Again, these are all coaches who were known for building units that won *multiple* Super Bowls (Crennel's defense won 3 Super Bowls with the Patriots. McDaniels' offense won 6 Super Bowls with the Patriots. Patricia's defense won 2 Super Bowls with the Patriots. Do I need to continue?), considered the "greatest minds in football," and yet, leaving New England *badly* exposed them as some of the most mediocre football minds! It's almost like all that cheating we keep discovering Belichick and Co. have committed isn't simply an afterthought! Like that's the *entire reason* they've fooled us into believing these godawful football minds have *any* amount of competence! www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

Same with Patricia with the lions

His belichick jr ahole approach to fans, media and players was childish and incompetent.

@@mazdakmina9493 Actually it does not even qualify for one of the biggest collapses.

@@tombondcrispy6585 Gimme a break!!!! When did Detroit last win? Oh, yeah, when they had Bobby Lane in 1955. Try harder, you guys have been terrible for decades.

Cole Adams the legend himself and one the biggest pats fans

Smart man

what's good Cole

I am a simple man, I see belichick I think of cheating, an all time qb playing way under market value forever and an unlikeable SOB

@@kalleknall7804 hahaha stay mad son.

Bill Parcels drafted Drew Bledso, the 100 million dollar man Bledsoe. Belichick drafted Tom Brady even though thy had two back up quarterbacks, he wasn't looking for a quarter back, when he saw he was still on the Board at 199. Most teams keep 2 or sometimes 3 quarterbacks on the active roster, but Belichich drafted him as a fourth QuarterBack, and as they say "THE REST IS HISTORY" Bill Parcells left Patriots in 1996, in 1997 Pete Carroll took over you think He stood Pat with the same team.

Started off 6-0 and ended 9-7 in 2009. Boy was he wrong lol

yet for some reason people think he'll be a good coach in 2020-21 😑

He also accepted the Colts head coaching job then backed out like a little girl and I'm a Broncos fan he was a little dictator here and was caught spying on another team

@@rocknroll7065 what is hilarious about mcdaniels backing out of being the head coach is that Bilicheck did the exact same thing to the Jets years ago, but at least bill did it AT the press conference. Mcdaniels is like a little kid holding onto his parents pockets so they don't get separated.... it's also funny how much his name was being thrown around when the giants were looking to fill their head coach position... and he was in no way even a blip on the giants radar. What he did in indianapolis effectively killed off any chance of him being an nfl head coach ever again. You know you royally screwed up when the Browns don't even want to hire you

@@retrogamernes3121 you are very accurate The reasoni find it funny in a dark humor way is because im a Broncos fan and Mc Daniels was the coach but i also blame upper management

People seem to forget that Belichick was a crap coach before he lucked out with Brady, but there about to be reminded now that Brady is no longer there. Belichick's record as an NFL coach w/o Tom Brady at QB: 58-69

@@thefaithslayer2553 Except he helped turn the patriots around and on track before Brady even got there

@@DreadPages No, he had a losing season year one. Year 2 drew got hurt super early in the season when they were 0-2 before Tom Brady.

@@DreadPages What are you talking about. Brady was the only star Belichick added to the teams that won those early SB’s. All the others were acquired by Carol and Parcells. NE hadn’t had a losing season the previous four years before Bill arrived and went 5-11. He was on his way out before Bledsoe got injured and Brady got his shot.

@@seriously6654 You can be great at coaching and have a brain of Einstein, but you NEED the players to execute plays properly and in a timely matter. People been defense/offense coordinators and the plays they put in for the players to know, they have to crack open the case. It isn't rocket science. If you have watched every single snap of the ball from Cam, Jarred, and that other jarhead, you can clearly tell the difference in between the minds of all the players that surround Cam. We have all seen his not-so great throws. His in-depth chart of him recognizing the fields and how far he should throw has significantly drop since he got released by the Panthers. I commented a while back of how we should utilize Cam and progress him more and more IN the pocket and what plays he can practice to be a better QB than the ones that are getting drafted this year. This is a different system and he is clearly not used to it. But it is a profession and it backs up a lot of arguments. Belichick should of already had a game plan when Brady was going to exit Foxborough. So why not draft a 2015 MVP QB? Sure enough of it was a while back but hell with it! He has a good name for himself than his other back ups for sure. So when you say Brady was the system, he had spent 20 years serving as a QB for the patriots without ever getting benched.

Did you just call joe judge good.....

Brian Flores is the only good coach to come out of new England

@@bambamcam7413 joe judge is a first year head coach getting the most out of the talent black hole known as the new york giants

@@suorguy1183 he’s a special teams coordinater he’s not good

@@bambamcam7413 ok John harbaugh is a special teams coordinator point is

False! Alot of QB careers have been ruin going to bad coaches and teams.

good coaches don’t come nearly this easy. poor matt staffords had his career go nowhere because of bad coaching

goat QBs once in the life time. usually 3-4 per era lol.

@@uzispenpal6084 jim caldwell would like a word with you in a dark alleyway

@@scottadkins918 like who?

No. Caldwell was better than Patricia but he was going nowhere with Detroit.

@@odysseus2656 that's because Detroit is going nowhere

@@odysseus2656 Ya it’s who they hired. Patricia’s hiring is an example of why you get a close look at a guys persona to see if it’s actually his or someone else’s at the Job Interview.

@ Rob Freedman have you heard of a certain franchise in Cleveland by chance?

@@lonmurphy4698 I like the Browns because they're underdog organization like my Cardinals!

I love these uploads. *

@@Tres_Nueve Nope what he is saying is grammatically correct. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitual_be

Boiiiiii

Bill O'Brien had Deshaun Watson.

@@ht82smash42 is deshaun Watson Tom Brady ???? Just because a quarterback puts up good stats, doesn’t mean he’s a great quarterback

Thank you.

@@petervanna6602 Are you intimating that Deshaun isn’t great?

Joe Judge proved to be nothing more than skinny Matt Patricia.

very true... I think Vrabel is doing a damn good job in TN

@@CSRookie yeah but one thing i don’t understand is mike was supposed to be a defensive coach but you see how that played out #1 offense #32 defense

the one thing about Vrabel is that he was only a player for the Patriots. His assistant coaching career started elsewhere. That said, he's surely picked up a few things from his time as a player.

@@johnchedsey1306 you best believe Vrabel remembers the playbook from when he played for them. When the Titans faced the Patriots last year, Vrabel had Bill's number, and everyone knew it.

It’s bizarre you think 1 player makes an a tier team and franchise

@Chandler Russell thats fucking crazy cause they legitimately won 7 games without him and huge injuries on the defensive side of the ball. There’s literally 1 QB who has a winning record when having more turnovers than TDs and that’s Tom. Hell he had like 12 games like that in the playoffs alone. Stick Tom Brady on the Houston Texans right now and you’re saying they’re immediately Super Bowl contenders?

I mention this like 30 seconds later my guy

@@SetTheEdge I realized that later lol. I just immediately paused and made the comment.

I remember watching that game. Hell of comeback!

Plus Brian Flores Is An 4 Time Super Bowl Champion So He Is No Scrub

Dolphins still fired him lol

Didn't happen in the 2020 offseason, but if Daboll succeeds in rehabbing Mitch Trubisky over the 2021 season (and that second preaseason game was a good starting point), then a head coaching job is all but guaranteed in his future. The only real questions are "Will he take Mitch with him to the new team?" and "Will he wait to get the Bills a Super Bowl ring before leaving?"

😂🤣 best average player of all time! Yep sounds about right.

Lmao it’s soo annoying how out of everyone he’s the guy that could stop us. Like Russell or Aaron Rodgers cool. But Eli??

Eli had no fear of the Evil Empire!💪🏾

Were not. That helmet catch deserves an asterisk. Giants should of lost that game and Coughlin should of been out of the job.

That's really an extension of the Bill Walsh coaching tree.

@@HP_____ what would make for a more interesting video? Andy Reid tree or Bill Walsh tree?

@@omgroony Both are great coaches and coaches of coaches! Bill Walsh was the originator of the westcoast offense and would encompass more of the lineage. And on film, Walsh was more verbally articulate, almost professorial so I can watch him talk football all day long!

And Sean McDermott, and Ron Rivera, and Doug Pederson! Combined with Harbaugh, that's two coaches that *won* Super Bowls, one coach that won the NFC (with a 15-1 record, nonetheless) and took his team *to* the Super Bowl, and one who took an awful Bills franchise that hadn't made the playoffs in 17 seasons, and took them to the playoffs *three times* in *four years,* won them their *first* playoff game in over *twenty* seasons, and took them all the way to the *AFC Championship!* In other words, yes, I 100% agree with you! I badly want to hear STE go into depth on why Andy Reid's coaches are so successful once they go on to be head coaches! :)

you can still be a good or even great coach even if your Qb is not tom brady, there are so many Qb's in the league as well with untapped potential. Remember Brady was drafted in the six round at the 199th pick.

but yeah, this is Belichick's men, so in a nutshell, the answer is brady, hehehe

More accurately, he became a name to fans in Philly.

You enjoy getting destroyed in the playoffs lmao.

mcdaniels going for round 2 of a disaster head coaching tenure lol

The raiders got him as their new H.C. My liver is going to fail this season ain't it.....

Lucky for you the Broncos' rivals hired him as their coach

Getting Cutler put of town 🐐 move

*yawn* what is he, like 21-15 without Brady over the last 20 seasons? Lmfaooo they had no cap space, bottom-5 QB play, and the most opt-outs of any team, and they still went 7-9. *Such* a loser...

@@DJS12345678 Cope harder.

@@TheMailmanOfSteel *yawn* your attempts to break down the legacy of the GOAT are pretty pathetic... See ya next time you come up with another sad attempt tho :-)

@@DJS12345678 Cope harder, Belichick is overrated.

@@TheMailmanOfSteel *yawn* try again, nephew. You'll get better at this if you put your mind to it