Well what if you’re arguing with someone in the comments? But honestly this does help me structure my arguments better because I always try to use the same facts but instead I should try to be more neutral with my argument rather than confrontational
Just worth pointing out, after so much of an argument, there's a point when one (or both) parties involved reveals themselves... That can be educational for everyone involved (or not)... ;o)
I agree, very much. It is important that people know there are different opinions, and many statements are not factual, and need to be refuted. I think it is bad that some people learn a lot of their opinions and suppositions on sites where opposing view-points are not expressed. Then if later they start reading a site that has different views, they are less capable of absorbing what is being argued. It probably has caused many of the problems we are having in the public sphere.
0:37 - Why you can't win an internet argument 5:16 - What does Facebook really know about your personality? 12:33 - What makes a meme go viral? 17:32 - What makes satisfying videos satisfying? 22:24 - Why are challenge videos a thing?
I gave up arguing with my then-boyfriend when - after discussing the death penalty for 15 minutes or so - he came out with something to the effect of: "That makes real sense and I don´t have a single counter argument left but I still think it´s a good idea."
Our correctional system is not adequately focused on actual corrections. Death is not a correction. It is, among other things that people talk about more commonly, the end of human potential. Violent crimes have a much lower rate of recidivism (re-offending) than crimes in the family of larceny, such as B&E or theft of any magnitude. So it’s fairly unlikely that the death penalty actually ends the potential for more people to be harmed by the same offender. So if we’re not ending THAT with the death penalty… what ARE we ending instead? Surely every rehabilitated criminal isn’t going to become a great artist or a titan of industry… but most rehabilitated offenders have families. Most want to be able to work again. Most have at least one hobby they enjoy with friends. In economic value alone, the death penalty is a bust compared to rehabilitation. Human value is more subjective to try and argue about, but the lives of reformed violent offenders really are likely to remain nonviolent. People get tired of the aggression, which also cools off as they age. AND most violent crimes aren’t random. The general public is not posed significant risk, even by formerly violent criminals. If the alternative is a life sentence in solitary, the death penalty is both cheaper and more merciful than a life the UN classifies as torture. But if we’re looking at actual care for someone’s quality of life in any way - social time, the possibility of parole, reintroduction to society - the death penalty might be robbing our society of some pretty world-worn, interesting people.
Sometimes I click on ads that support creators I like, even if I have no interest in the thing. More clicks = more money! Bonus! I have TabForACause installed, so I help the creator AND send money to charity!
I work as a software engineer at an internet ad tech company. Often times the intention of an internet ad isn't to get you to click on it, but rather to help make you aware of a product or brand. And yes, those ad campaigns are effective, even if you think they don't work on you
It's strange how people will display completely different behaviors online as opposed to IRL.. With the removal of standard social rules, it can also be a freeing experience. The internet is an amazing place.
Expressing yourself freely without the fear of facing others directly and standing by what you say... Well, we see in the comment sections what that does to otherwise maybe shy and nice people. 😂 😂 😂
More like showing a strong opinion, -not fearing- not caring if others disagree, which they think is the truth because somebody that looked intelligent - probably from their eco chamber - or their fave youtuber, redditer, 4channer or whatevser said so, most times not even knowing what the subject they have this strong opinion about actually is at core... We see what it does to people that are proud of being a kind of internet person *insert 3 repeating emojis here for me please. I am phone depived
@@osmosisjones4912 I give up on directly changing someone's mind. Rather I use what works on me. I supply an argument in as angering a way as possible to purposely trigger cognitive dissonance. What happens to me is that I'm essentially forced to run the argument through my head until I realize the opposing side has some fairly inarguable points. This happens over hours or days but the initial exchange is long over and done with. Arguing with an aggressive person never works because they're triggered and willfully ignore anything they disagree with. But if you plant such an idea and walk away, they keep arguing in their head.
CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING: At about 25:00 into the video, talking basically about when the brain is fully formed, then why are we sending our children to war when they are only 18 years old ??? No wonder why in part many of them come back with PTSD and are suicidal, or don't come back at all.
@@mliittsc63 So then, why aren't their parents and society changing the laws to not make it so? Why isn't society looking out for it's children, who one day, if they live long enough, will be the future society that runs it all? And consider also, where are all the 'right to lifers'? Isn't even war 'bad' if people die and kill one another? Hypocrites are what they seem to be. I don't remember really any of the nation's enemies asking to be bombed or nuked. They weren't given a choice either. Hence also, 'pro choice' should be there too. But even then, where are the 'right to lifers' concerning war? Isn't even the death of our enemies wrong for 'right to lifers'?
@@chari---zard "society isn't an entity"; In this context, 'society' is made up of entities, 'humans'. And consider also: 1. Un-named concept -> 2. Given a name (sign, symbol, sound, etc) -> 3. With an attached meaning -> 4. And maybe even other meanings depending upon context -> 5. And maybe even other names with the same meaning. (Basically an expanded Dictionary and an expanded Thesaurus). Your thought processes are basically in items 1 - 3 above. Mine extends further into 4 and 5 above. For example, even 'Nature' is an 'entity' and has an agenda. Nature's agenda is to follow the laws of Nature. When working on the Theory Of Everything, it helps to simplify the analysis where one can, even if I have to create my own language with it's own meanings. (Basically create my own language with it's own Dictionary and Thesaurus, including by the way computer languages which is mine, basically all mine.) Learn to live 'outside of the box'.
Honestly, one of the strongest things you can do against someone who is angry is be gentle. In my experience, someone who is self-righteous can justify to themselves when you yell back at them. But it throws them off when you don’t respond aggressively because now they can’t say that you started it, so they also usually calm down. My personal experience says that using self-deprecating language REALLY throws them off. I think what happens is they see you’re not “stubborn” or “unresponsive” and “can be reasoned with”. When they perceive that you are more receptive, they tend to be as well.
The people who most often change their minds are not the OP but the other people in the comments. Internet arguments are not pointless, people just need to shift their expectations. You are not fighting to convince the other person they are wrong. You are fighting to convince everyone else that the other person is wrong.
I think it makes sense that people who go to that sub are already primed to their own opinion, in "defense" of the incoming argument. Deep down no one likes to be proven wrong even if they supposedly are coming to the site with an open mind accepting of change. So they will use bias to not considere themselves wrong.
3 Possums in a Trenchcoat - OH MY GOD, THIS. I was positive that Hank’s heinous mispronunciation was going to be identified as an excellent example of negative arousal, i.e., one of those grievous sins that get us all riled up, and that not correcting himself right away was going to be an example of the ways that “unfinished“ things really bother us. But no! He actually *meant* to say “JIF” as if it were correct! 🤯😡🤬
Melissa Clark Some things wind up growing far, far beyond their creators into a life of their own. I mean, the discoverer of 13th element on the periodic table would have us pronounce it “al-you-MIN-ee-um”! Maybe it’s just that we Americans are just defiant and stubborn? 🥴
@@HalfShelli methinks that the irony of this argument is that it is exactly what the video is about and therefore we all know that no one is going to change the mind of the other.
Yep, this is also why you got a lot of ads with age like "People over 40 can save XXX from YYYY". It goes beyond targeting and into psycho because you don't need to put age in the titles of your ads to target age groups on facebook, you can select age groups directly when creating ads. Those people are actually using facebook data for targeting and THEN showing you messages tailored according to that targeting.
I myself consider those videos as a public service. Personally, they really help me value my fellow humans much higher, being much more attentive and also much more relaxed, as well as being more motivated to do things -> live!
I had a FB post go viral once - Close enough for me, considering my geographical location. Remember that cold spell we got few weeks ago, the end of January 2019. Reminders about bring in your pets were flying all over. I posted a 'Electronics Freeze Warning' and reminded people to bring in there electronics too that normally were outside. I got 10K views, and 2600 Clicks, and 229 reactions. Normally I get about 1/5th of that. I was impressed.
It's scary how stubborn and ignorant people can be on the internet... In this time, we need open-mindedness more than ever! But it seems to be a depleting force
Found this from 'it's okay to be smart'. Really dig the psychology behind this subject. Love that you point out Picard! You can make the best decision and still lose.
I must not be biased. Bias is the mind-killer. Bias is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my bias. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the bias has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
I'd like to know how well does Facebook currently know someone from whom it has a lot of old info. In my case, I used to be quite active in the platform, but it has been six years since I went there. Does Facebook know me?
Depends on who you ask... On the one hand, if you just halted that profile six years ago, you could argue that Facebook only knows you from six years ago... and depending on how much you've grown or changed since then is going to make you only so much different... Once it's online, it's online forever. That's been a problem for many people and a regret that even more people carry. It's how "sharing nudes" has gotten in the way of everything from career choices to causing serious trouble involving Child Porn charges (because teens are reckless)... On the other hand, there's fairly strong evidence that more data-sharing goes on more than you'd expect. It's been said (and proven) that Facebook has tabulated data on people who aren't even using their service, just from the friends (IRL) who mention them in correspondence... SO depending on how many people share stuff about you on Facebook, whether or not you still use it, they still know you better than you'd like to expect. ;o)
I personally can agree that saying new words and most especially adding NEW INFORMATION (in support to your points), can lead to the person you're arguing with to rethink their views and change their minds. This has happened to me many times. Just make sure also, that the new information is relevant to the topics, are true, and are worded to easily be understood. When you use technical terms, make them understand what the word means.
My FB is so terrible for data collection. It's bland, inactive, and essentially a resumé. I watched my brother and distant relatives post super personal and inappropriate stuff, and wouldn't you know, they kept getting rejected by employers every time they did a little digging on their FB page. ;3
Synalla the word is spelled résumé or resume. There is no word “resumé.” Think about how the word is pronounced. The first vowel is the same as the second, so gets the same letter. Regarding FB and employers, my refusal to use FB (It’s one of the most evil companies on the internet and I want *nothing* to do with it) has probably cost me at least one job. The interviewer asked about my account (saying that they had looked for me but couldn’t find me) and I said I didn’t have one and the interview ended almost immediately. Definitely damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
If they were that insistent on probing your FB for information then it was probably not worth getting on board with in the first place. the idea of an employer wanting that much of an eye on their employees is actually immensely disconcerting
I think that the repetitive rhythmic movement of those oddly satisfying videos make our brains recognize the patterns and results which give us rewarding chemicals.
Why am I absolutely able and happy to be corrected and learn the correct thing? Am I just lucky to be one of the kinds of people that don't have that hang up?
winning arguments on the internet - nope. we do NOT all try to win arguments on the internet. Some of us walk away once the discussion turns into a flame war
18:35 I’m a photographer but I love doing basic math. So no equations. But like the math you got in elementary school. But at an extremely hard level. I enjoy doing that. I could do I allll day. However, I hate math. Absolutely despise it 😂😂😂😂
There's something almost magical about satisfying videos. I know the science is unclear, but the effect is as clear as day. ie. My best and I chilling in my friend's car hanging with Alice D. listening to Dark Side of the Moon while watching power washing videos......memorable to say the least
I think most people can't convince others in an argument is because A. most people have an incomplete view of the truth. and because B. they think their opinion is so obviously right they shouldn't need to fully explain it, often taking for granted that everyone had a difference experience in life.
I don't try to correct people on the internet, but I still posit my argument and evidence because it may inform people that are on the fence or unaware
18:03 Hey guess what? Autistic people like me have a term for those "oddly satisfying" things that are so addictive: "Stimmy." Or "a stim." Because it stimulates you and may even comfort you. It hits some kind of stimulation sweet spot in your brain. So when we find things that do that for us, we say "Such-and-such is very stimmy to me. It's a very pleasant stim for me."
People need to stop thinking of arguments online as win/losing. Just treat disagreements on the internet as information collecting. You don’t have to agree with what the other persons saying and vice versa just listen and see if there’s anything valuable to take from their opinion and move on.
I never did this, but, I remember this was something kids would do for that crazy thrill But Who remembers sticking salt on skin and pressing Ice on top of it (Basically, sandwiching skin-salt-ice) And it would third degree burn your skin off
I'll always remember the time I won an online argument that sht rare lol he actually dmed me after for more info and we had a rly long and genuine mutual discussion before going our ways again. I was n still am so glad he'd considered changing his aggression toward the subject we discussed ^^ i think i rly just helped him understand it better and that helped.
Regarding the challenge videos, kids in my elementary school snorted Pixie Stix, stuffed as many jalapeños in their mouth as they possibly could, and stuck their fingers in electrical outlets. This was the late 90's and early 2000's and there was no way of posting about it online. Hell, my best friend and I would light stuff on fire in her backyard before RU-vid ever existed, but you'd better believe we would have posted it if given the right medium. Doing horrendously stupid stuff and wondering how you ever survived your childhood is a rite of passage. We just have better ways of documenting it now.
Sometimes, I will enter a discussion to allow others to see a dissenting viewpoint. It may have absolutely no effect on the the active participants, but the lurkers will be able to see both sides and make a decision for themselves.
Does the add and survey based algorithm account for the fact that the survey consists entirely of people with adequate openness, agreeableness, and curiosity to act on the suggestion to spend their time taking the survey one of the limited number of times they were presented with the option?
At 15:16 where he talks about how people follow the original decision or decision maker for their own "decisions" is precisely how the scientific world functions today. They're a very insular group that approves or disapproves only the issues that float within that group. If the group approves of something they get grants, funding, accolades, etc. But try to put forth any theory or idea that goes against the group's "hive mind" thought process, and that person (or team) is castigated, vilified, and made a pariah and a non-person in the scientific community (think Tesla, John Yudkin, Stanley Meyer, and others of their ilk).
I have Facebook and I very rarely if ever use it but I used to. I don't care what any website knows about me I am a queen squeaky clean person. I have written things online for public consumption but I also hold back a lot.
