Why People Hate Super Mario Sunshine 

The main reason for the jank is that as a result of time constraints Nintendo just ported over a lot of SM64's codebase to build Sunshine on top of, meaning both games have the same underlying technology and physics.

Super Mario Sunshine is very extreme imo. When it is good, it is really good. But when it is bad, it is also really bad

When you mentioned the slopes in Sunshine being inconsistent, I felt that.

I hated that they took away the long jump. I was so happy when they brought it back in SMG that I was long jumping all over the hub world for a good 5 minutes.

Man, I must of been lucky not to have come across any jank. Straight up, the leak in the bathroom was the only hint I needed. Kid me thought “leak in bathroom, water coming from ceiling, leak = hole, jump up and see if I can fit through it to damage it or something”. That was my thought process.

Remember guys. When there's a hotel in a Mario game, you know it's another *Nintendo Seal of Quality* Hotel Mario game.

I loved Mario sunshine, but obviously I was looking at it with rose tinted glasses because all the horrors came back when you mentioned that FREAKIN panel!

My only complaint with Sunshine is that it's got only 8 levels including delfino plaza. It's got the same number of shines, but a piddly number of levels, so all the shines are stuffed into the levels in huge numbers. Dude, you don't need to do the toilet to get the pineapple, you need to go to the roof and ground pound through the ceiling. Even then, you can just jump on the toilet, you don't need to sideflip.

Sirena Beach is still my favorite level, I love the manta ray shine a lot, it’s super cool and really hectic and over the top, gives me bullet hell vibes and I’m glad they eventually chase you because I wouldn’t like it if I had to find one last ray across the map. The mystery of hotel delfino is my favorite shine in the game (besides the random start I agree) because it has so much personality to it, I loved the puzzles and character of it. King boo is my favorite boss in the game, all of sirena beach has my favorite setting in the game, the beach on the sunset and the cozy hotel feel really nice. Only shine I dislike is the panels at the casino but the casino is still such a cool area. Definitely my favorite world of sunshine.

I can't be the only one who only used the hover nozzle when fighting the Manta boss. Way easier that way. Sunshine, while a bit rough around the edges at times is still my favorite in the series. It's no where near the unfinished, broken messes that get released nowadays, and the creativity in the level design makes up for the occasional lack of polish. Most of the time it plays fine.

I understand your points and I kinda agree. However clearing out the hotel mystery level as a kid, after exploring absolutely everything, made me feel like such a galaxy brain. I really appreciate that my hand wasn't held in that level. Also Sunshine's atmosphere and aesthetics are unmatched. It's so serene yet so eery, so comfy but something is always bugging you deep in your subconscious. Some levels have an "outerwordly eternity" feel to them, that I cannot explain.

The Manta Ray boss was cool! it made effective use out of Mario's FLUDD and really tested the player's knowledge on some of its mechanics! This is one of the harder Mario bosses and I find that really cool because Mario isn't known for challenge especially when it comes to the bosses!

Sirena Beach (and definitely Sunshine in general) wasn't that bad. I agree, felt frustration when I first played it in 2002 looking for that pineapple, especially in a time where things like gamefaqs did indeed exist but internet access was nowhere near as easy to come by as today (was wifi even a thing at that point??) But that was part of the charm of gaming back then - getting stuck was a thing that would happen sometimes. If you were at a friend's house with no computer or on vacation somewhere with your family, you would either have to accept defeat and put the game down, or if you had nothing else to do/ no other games to switch to, really buckle down and try to figure shit out. Which meant meticulously talking to all the NPC's and trying to work out which dialogue was flavor text and which could be cryptic hints, combing all the nooks and crannies of the map looking for small visual indicators, etc. Especially for that mission in particular (wasn't it called "the mystery of the missing pineapple" or something?) the struggle felt immersive, really made you seem like an investigator questioning everybody and searching the entire hotel, lol. Not saying it's bad that games today are generally much easier, but that is something which is much rarer to come by, I mean the feeling of finally getting past a part you were stuck at for the longest time. Because at that point (remember, RU-vid was far off from being a thing) that meant unlocking the rest of the game, and feeling like "oh nice, I get to finally see what else this game has to offer!" Call it bad game design, but stuff like that had it's own charm.

The hotel puzzle doesn't rely on the leaky tub at all. There's another way to enter starting from the top floor. I completed it without hints and only just learned about the leaky tub clip. It's still my favorite shine in the game

Civilized people: Super Mario. This guy: Super MEeerio

So for the mysterious hotel definio part. The bathroom part, you dont need to do a flip to get to the top. Just stand on the toliet or by the wall of the leak and then jump. Mario will launch up.

My main problems with Sunshine is the controls themselves are pretty jank and that the shines are pretty linear to collect because you have to collect them in order instead of exploring and discovering secrets at your own pace like most other collectethons.

Interesting, Sirena Beach was my favorite level of the game, I found it very mysterious and fun. My least favorite was the one with the mushrooms and the whole climbing nets under the world, riding baskets and all that crap, I forget the name.

I don't know why, I love Super Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy. Super Mario Sunshine was such a relaxing game and doing things with water was very interesting.

A. The npcs all gove you hints of the hidden rooms location and all rooms puzzles. B. You DO NOT have to sideflip to go through the water in the bathroom. You literally just have to jump into it. 🤨 C. Flood teaches you the basics on using her.. at that point in the game if you haven't figured it out then I think my 6 year old self would give your current self a run for his money.

Imagine getting filtered by the best stage lol

Fun fact the manta is a reference to the ending of The Shinning, the book specifically not the movie.

Imagine pronouncing this game MAY-REO Sunshine…

There are two main things that stop me from coming back to Sunshine, particularly in regards to 100%ing it again or even playing around on a 100% file" 1: No freedom. Sunshine brought a lack of freedom with it's mission mode. With Mario 64, you could go into any of the worlds and barring only a couple of selected stars, you could complete virtually any mission at ay point in any order. It was often fun to go into an area and see how many missions you could complete without collecting any stars. Sunshine heavily restricts this. 2: Blue coins. In Mario 64, collecting 8 red coins was sometimes irritating, and in some courses getting 100 coins was annoying, but the coins were not hidden from you and they were often clustered, so if you found one you found them all. Blue coins, however ,are in obscure, out of the way locations and they have no checklist for them anywhere. They also don't provide a reward right away when you get them, requiring you to trade them in batches of 10 per Shine. Woe to anyone who puts the game down for a bit then picks it back up without writing down which blue coins they have and haven't got.

if you hate Super Mario Sunshine, you hate video games

Sunshine is still my favourite Mario. Just the setting and it's levels like the hotel and the fluff festival is so damn comfy.

I didn't like having to rely on that backpack to do almost everything.

this game starts out cute and then i hate it

I was utterly confused in the second episode of the Hotel. Nintendo usually NEVER designs a level that cryptic.

I dont remember getting frustrated with this game ...i thoroughly enjoyed it

I love how you have Crash 2 music playing and that game also has cryptic secrets. To be fair about the hotel, it's supposed to be a typical ghost house in a Mario game. Full of secrets to discover. But yeah fuck that bathroom stall.

Yes I've also hated Sirena Beach as a kid and I still hate it now. I hate the manna rays, I hate that you have to spray the electric goop, I hate that the Shine Sprites don't take please in the hotel (which I guess kind of makes sense actually because it's called Sirena Beach for a reason and not Sirena Hotel). The factors I hated in this game were Shadow Mario (man was he always annoying to catch), the goopy inferno level in Pianta Village (man was that a lot of firey goop), and the 2 levels in Pinna Park where you are riding in a roller coaster and you have to squirt water rockets once at Mecha Bowser, and once at pink Bowser Jr balloons in order to get your rewards. I think I liked the Mecha Bowser level better than the Bowser Jr balloons level because the balloons were just so hard to aim and it was just annoying as heck.

Thank you for this vid!! I don’t see Sunshine’s crypticness being touched upon enough

I actually really love Sirena Beach

Im surprised to hear that the leaky toilet was an issue for people. Considering there were so many secrets in the hotel, to me it was obvious to check it out when a pianta said something about it

It's one of my favourites, despite the occasional bit of jank, the vibes, the mechanics when they work, the yoshis, the level and character designs etc. I doubt I will ever love a game quite the same again

I remember as a kid I spend a whole day playing the Yoshi mission, the casino part is literally my most hated part in any Nintendo game, thankfully the speedrun community found a way to skip that whole part entirely and since then I'm finally able to enjoy the level without suffering through anxiety attacks for how sensitive and random the panels are.

As a kid, it took me a very long time to learn how to get to Noki Bay. I think I needed to see people talking about it online to even know that it existed. I know that the alerts give you a hint about it, but I never made the connection between that and the place where you enter the stage.

All you gotta do is lay into the giant Manta at the start with Jumping Shotgun Water Blasts (where Mario sprays heavy blasts of water right in front of him), and then when it splits into all the tiny ones, just spam the Sprinkler Spray (where Mario spins like a top and sprays water in all directions). If it seems like you're about to be backed into a corner or trapped by the Mantas, just jump and Hover Nozzle to safety. Alternatively, you could avoid the Manta at start while it's gigantic, slow and easy to avoid, and clear away some of the electric goop to create a more stable fighting area before engaging the manta. And in the event you somehow run low on water, you can withdraw to the beach and refill. In the event the Manta knock Mario around too much, you can hit up the tiki bars in the middle of the map, grab those coins and get some HP back. All told, the battle shouldn't be so hard that Mario will have his HP depleted or run out of water before the Manta is defeated.

3:21 -- At first, I didn't know you could open doors by facing them and pressing B, so I thought I was trapped. After all, the game never told me about it. 🙃 (In Super Mario 64, Mario could open doors by just walking toward them.) UPDATE (Mar. 3, 2024): On page 20 of the Super Mario Sunshine instruction manual, it says doors can be opened by pressing B. I've never owned a GameCube (I'm playing on an emulator), so I didn't know that until I read the manual online.

Love the crash bandicoot music in the background lol

I don't know how in the blue hell I 100% this on Switch.

enter me, who went into the bathroom and jumped through the floor first thing. Sometimes I have the intuition for shit like this, sometimes I will spend an eternity looking for something that was more than obvious.

Sunshine has the most intense difficulty spikes i've ever experienced

Super Mario Sunshine first came out when I was in middle school and I have good memories of playing it with my cousin during summer break. I also love Isle Delfino; it feels so alive compared to most 3D Mario worlds, which are essentially floating obstacle courses and the way you can see glimpses of one area of the isle from another is the icing on the cake. I also like a more story-driven Mario game with actual more voice-acting than usual, hopefully we'll get another some day. There are missions that seriously piss me off though; Blooper Surfing, The Shell's Secret, The Watermelon Festival, Red Coins of the Pirate Ships, and the Manta Storm to name a few. The over-reliance on Fludd can be a serious problem, especially since Mario can't jump nearly as well as in SM64.

Sirena Beach is my favorite part of sunshine, I always love spooky stuff in Nintendo games and when I was a kid and even still today, I love exploring the hotel. My only two complaints about it is those darn tiles that flip a million times, and how quickly I get done with the stage 🤣🤣🤣I wish Nintendo did more stuff like Mysterious Hotel Delfino more often with all the crazy room transitions and whatnot. I guess I was the only one as a kid who was good at this stage lol.

whats the mellow song that plays during the intro??? Your videos are great! keep up the good work!

4:34 it's easier than you think, you can simply jump and automatically get up there. I don't know what game would rely on it's disabilities.

This was probably my favorite game as a kid and I'm pretty sure the first Sirena Beach level is why I stopped playing. I don't think I would've ever finished the other ones after that either.

The reason why people hate the game is because it’s fking awesome.O.O

Love Sunshine. Riding Yoshi in this game is legendary Hover nozzle for manta ray 👍

I love how the crash bandicoot music fits Mario so well lol

Honestly, the first level was so memorable for me! It terrified the hack out of me! XD And I love it! My pick for my least favourite levels of this world would be stage 4 because of the tedious foreplay (yes the bonus level was good!), and that level which covered the whole level with goop in a shape of Boo... My gosh... This was already a hard world... But that one... Jeez... Nowadays I am fine but back that I had no idea about that spray cannon thing...

I was never able to get that goddamn pineapple as a kid... You're telling me, that the way to get to it... *IS CLIPPING THROUGH THE FUCKING FLOOR?!*

"Mary-oh"? It's "Mario"

Mantastorm is as far as I ever got playing this game as a 7 year old kid. 21 years later, maybe it's time to go back and finish the game now!

I love Super Mario sunshine! Its one of my favorites

I loved the aesthetic of the hotel, but I hated that second secret stage. I liked wandering around the hotel. I remember my dad looked up how to beat the third episode on the internet at work.

I didn't even know that people hated it. Everyone around me loved the game

there's people that hate mario sunshine? wow they have no childhood,mario 64 and mario sunshine are my childhood games

The Manta Ray boss isn’t that bad if you use the horizontal nozzle and fly over the rays.

Good videos I like this format !!

The Nintendo seal of approval never really meant anything though. There were all kinds of terrible games on the NES with that seal

Is it weird I never encountered glitches or bugs while playing this as a kid? Just the normal physics jank like with the chucksters?

I feel the early 2000s are some of the jankiest when it comes to videogames, which probably has to do with the generational jump between 5th and 6th gen. That jankiness either bring graphical or gameplay-wise. I also think it might be due to this generation being the first one that lets games have a better visual fidelity (aka, Mario actually looks like he does in the boxart)

for that leak all you need is a single jump and it takez you there lol

Meanwhile, Im still locked in episode 4 trying to find 8 red stars

I played this game for the first time when 3D All-stars came out. I played through most of the first level, pushing myself. I kept thinking it was going to get good soon. It never did. As far as I can tell, this isn't even a real Mario game. It just has Mario characters in it. Other than that, it has nothing to do with Super Mario. I skipped it & played Galaxy. That game is great!

I remember when I discovered the toilet no clip part, I was really thinking that I did something it shouldnt happen, like a glitch used for speedrun or something.

Tried playing this on switch and that beach course is literally what made me give up.

Nah dude that manta storm shine its one of the best missions on all marios history. And misterious hotel delfino i think thats the point xD thing being a mistery. I remember when i cracked the mistery as a kid traversing invisible walls and fighting boos like a detective

All of sunshine is tedious and annoying with the most jerkiest Mario movement in any Mario game wth where they thinking

Getting +60 stars and completing the storymode was challenging for me. Completing 100% is an insame acheivememt

I remember in the switch version of this level after I died I got the shine while there was still a bunch of goo left idk how

Ok I don't know what the hell happened but I was playing episode 2 of Sirena Beach and it seemed alright. I was struggling to get into the Boo's mouth at the top because the platforms were being stupid but I had eventually made it to the top. I think I was standing on the railing and when I tried to jump the janky slope physics did what they do best and I slipped to just about the bottom. I ended up on one of the platform Boos so as Mario jumped on it in frustration I ground pounded. I have no idea what happened but there were a lot of stars and *a lot* of Mario sound effects (so much so that it was probably one every frame). If I had the chance I'd show you the recording, because I was playing on the All-Stars version and got a capture of it. It was... odd.

I love this game, even I can knowledge how more glitchy it is then other Mario games.

i just found out about sideflipping into the leaking water lol i always used to groundpound through the ceiling instead

This entire rant can be summed up with “Mad cuz bad”

Sunshine was the game that got me into mario. i had ignored the series as a kid in the 90's. and i still think it's one of the best in the lineup.

The manta rays are the reason I quit this game when I was a teen. I said : Fuck that, let's play ANYTHING else.

The game not telling you all the little secret moves is a major plus for the game not a negative in my opinion. It encourages experimenting with flud, I remember being thrilled when discovering something

Sunshine is, in one word, unforgiving.

THE OBSTACLE COURSE LEVELS WERE PURE HELL AND THE SAND BURD AND EVERYTHING ELSE its not janky. ITS CRAP

I still can’t believe they don’t tell you in-game about the power spray or the spin spray lol

I started laughing, I had a feeling you would mention Hotel Mario. 🤣

WHY DO YOU SAY MARIO LIKE THIS 😭😭 MARRYOAH

My favorite part is when I’m playing the game and then I get up to have ✌🏻✊🏻MAJOR DIARRHEA ✊🏻✌🏻and then come back and continue to play it.

The freaking blue coins man. Pure awfulness

I got like shines before I stopped playing. Can't stand not being able to change the up/down controls

every map you showed had 7 year old me literally crying cuz i couldn't beat it

I didn’t mind that level it would be worse to have enemies constantly to look out for when you’re trying to get the puzzles to line up. Honestly during the beginning of the video I thought you were going to say getting to that island because to me getting to that island can be lot worse than the challenge you wouldn’t want to know how many Yoshi‘s drowned just getting to that island!

I remember that hotel being really annoying when I was a kid

I liked Sunshine better than Galaxy. What? Probelm?

When I was 5 this was my favorite level and had no problem finding all the secrets even tho I didn't knew how to read english.

My biggest reason for hating Super Mario Sunshine is that they put it on the Gamecube and not Nintendo 64.

Sirena Beach is the definition of "good concept, horrible execution"

I'm chuckster! *throws mario into the void*

6:14 These are much, much worse in the Switch re-release of 3D All-Stars… if you play with any of the Switch's controllers. The GameCube had analog L and R triggers, and Super Mario Sunshine was one of the few games that took advantage of this. Basically, however far down you pressed R affected FLUDD's water pressure. On Switch, because the ZL and ZR triggers on either the Joy Cons or the Pro Controller are digital, the game assumes you're spraying with the highest amount of water pressure… which not only affects your aiming to some extent, but it means that flipping these switches takes MUCH longer than it needs to. I 100%'d this game BEFORE Nintendo patched in GameCube controller support. I do not recommend playing this game to 100% completion in general, but I especially don't recommend doing it with any of the Switch controllers.

4:45 "i feel you, man" From 2D metroid fans

The manta storm of Sirena Beach was my all time favorite level.