Why Phase 4 MATTERS - Marvel's True Meaning Revealed

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Marvel's Phase 4 has seen a divisive set of movies and TV shows that have drastically expanded the scope of the MCU. But how do all of these various threads connect? Is the MCU just throwing random IP at us? Or is there a real plan behind Phase 4, setting up the Multiverse Saga? We explain.
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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Randolf Nombrado and Brianna McLarty
#Marvel #Phase 4 #Connections
I want to talk about Phase four of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Specifically, I want to prove to all of you that this phase-which may seem like its made of random projects-is actually telling one cohesive story that is united by single theme. Like the MCU always says, it’s all connected.
So, Phase 4 has been a weird one. It’s the first time Marvel studios has fully incorporated TV shows into their storytelling. Now we’ve previously had shows like Agents of Shield incorporated the movies into their stories, like the brilliant follow up episodes to winter soldier [clip, hail hydra]. But Phase 4 is the first time that any cinematic universe fully incorporated TV shows.
Doug: Well, Ezra Miller’s Flash did show up on the CW.
True, but as part of the multiverse, so that [obi wan, aotc, doesn’t count]. And anyways, we’ll get to the multiverse in a few minutes. First I want to address why people feel like this phase has been aimless.
I started really seeing this complaint after Thor: Love and thunder. Most of Phase 4’s projects up till then told solo, stand-alone stories. For instance, Black Widow, the Eternals, Shang Chi, and What If.
And there were also plenty of stories that dealt with the repercussions of Phase 3, like Wandavision, Hawkeye, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and Loki.
These projects defined the Phase’s first year, 2021. But 2021 ended with a massive multiversal crossover, teaming up Doctor Strange with spider-man, spider-man, and spider-man. So fans are ready for 2022 to feel more connected…they wanted to finally get those sweet-sweet MCU connections we all love.
And instead…we got mostly more standalone stories. Moon Knight, She Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Mutiverse of Madness, Werewolf by Night, The Guardians holiday special, and Thor: Love and Thunder are also all standalone projects that tell a singular story about their main characters.
There was an expectation that thor’s movie would kick us off into high gear. Because he’s an OG avenger in a major motion picture, we thought he was gonna meet Dr. Doom, or something. But that didn’t happen, did it?
Doug: No, it didn’t.
So, after the intricate setup of the Infinity saga, where every element serves a purpose in the final story, it was hard to see the connective tissue between all of the projects. How does She- Hulk connect to Thor: Love and Thunder? Well we’re going to explain how, but first, I have to say, that we should not be holding phase four up to the same standards as phase 3.
Phase 3 was a culmination of like 20 movies. It earned its crossover and connective tissue. We should really be comparing phase four to phase one, or even phase 2…and those phases were not very well connected, in hindsight.
Marvel studios did not have a plan set in stone when they started out. TonySstark’s cameo at the end of the Incredible Hulk makes no sense [clip]. They recast two main characters. Crossover moments were conceived of, and then cut out, like Hulk breaking loose the ice where Steve Rogers was frozen.
Even Thanos was included as a post credits sene after the fact, because joss whedon wanted to tease him for another movie. [clip, him explainign this, third movie]. Even Selvig being mind controlled by loki at the end of the makes no sense, in hindsight, because loki shows up to control him in the avengers.

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@ScreenCrush Год назад

@KingTeddy1 Год назад

How can I pinpoint the end of one Phase and the start of the next Phase??????;

@triplehayes6416 Год назад

It doesn’t matter if the earlier stories weren’t connected. They were still good stories on their own. Phase 4 stories are all absolute garbage. Except werewolf by night.

@brianquincyscott1955 Год назад

I think the thread is Gods. The Eternals deal with Gods. Thor, Black Panther and Moon Knight does as well...She-Hulk, Wanda, and Spider-Man and Strange dealt with God like power...Loki did too with Kang...so is Ant-man. Ms. Marvel dealt with godly power too.

@Josh_Noble Год назад

Spoiler Alert: Phase 4 is a setup for Deadpool Kills the MCU

@scottking8189 Год назад

No more established titles ads? Thought the video on them was bad faith?

@CainLatrani Год назад

There's been a strong through line about grief and loss, as well. Almost every project has seen the characters grappling with some form of loss and the grief associated with it. Which makes sense, as we lost a lot of characters we'd grown to love at the end of Phase 3. We, the audience, needed to move through their loss just as the characters who remain did. Not saying that was the focus, but it has been present.

@JoeEnglandShow Год назад

Good point!

@davidd.3555 Год назад

And the survival guilt associated with it. 1)Hawkeye with Black widow 2)Bucky with his old neighbor who’s son he killed 3)Wanda obviously with having to kill Vision with it meaning nothing 4)Loki learning that his path causes the death of his mother & father 5)Spidey with Aunt May Examples are everywhere & the stories are about what choices they make to deal with the guilt of causing the death or not being able to prevent it.

@yinyang6977 Год назад

I believe loss and hardships make us question our identity and ponder our decisions. Happy times generally don't make us introspect and that's what's happening to these characters.

@jonathan2nightingale194 Год назад

Thank you, Ryan. For reminding the massive amount of people who forget how Phase 1 wasn't truly appreciated, until the end of Phase 3.

@thatcomicdad1687 Год назад

Uh no that is totally different. Phase 4 is awful

@JonathanHassingerChannel Год назад

@@thatcomicdad1687 awful? I’d argue better than phase 1.

@thatcomicdad1687 Год назад

@@JonathanHassingerChannel I respect your viewpoint but I gotta stand by what I said. Eternals was hot trash.

@angelamarie3547 Год назад

@@thatcomicdad1687 True, only the shills have anything good to say about phase 4. It's an embarrassment!

@thatcomicdad1687 Год назад

@@angelamarie3547 fun fact, my sister is named Angela Marie

@apricots1621 Год назад

There is Elsa Bloodstone also changing from rejecting her family to accept the magical stone and accept her new identity as the new leader of the family as well.

@yoyomayne Год назад

Nice catch

@MarvinMartinez2001 Год назад

Also Ted trying to live his life while people are identifying him as a monster

@MarvelMan320 Год назад

Like the ancient one said “Open your eye.” When I first watched phase 4 it seemed messy. But rewatching it again, I noticed that the West Coast Avengers are in it. Sersi, Hawkeye, White Vision, Scarlet Witch, U.S. Agent and Hercules, etc. Kevin Feige is a smart dude.

@terryprentice9657 Год назад

But no Wonder Man (yet), Tigra, Mockingbird or Firebird. I kinda doubt Pym is interested.

@jamesgarcia743 Год назад

Patrick: Who are you people?!

@ColorMeConfused29 Год назад

@@terryprentice9657 Wonder Man is supposed to be coming, as they've already cast the role.

@keepitwolfson Год назад

Thanks for making this. A lot of people seem to miss that the phases work as acts of a larger story. Phase 4 is act 1 of the multiverse saga so it's slower and setting everything up. Phase 5 or act 2 will see the stakes raised. I personally thought it was obvious that 3 phase stories was clear 3 acts. This is why Phase 3 is everyone's favorite because it was the climax of the Infinity stone saga

@edwardjones282 Год назад

This.

@TotalTennisGeek Год назад

🎯

@josuafraser4865 Год назад

Yup. And watch everybody who shitting on the mcu rn, when phase 6 is over they’ll definitely be saying “phase 6 was the best phase” or “phase 5 was amazing” ppl jus have a short attention span. By the time fantastic 4 comes out the comment sections will be looking very differently 😂

@darkwoods1954 Год назад

The problem is people aren't finding the new content entertaining or fun. If they were they wouldn't be worried about if it's relevant to a larger story or not.

@edwardjones282 Год назад

@@darkwoods1954 I disagree. I think people find it both of those things. They just haven't been blown away by anything. People want great and they've mostly gotten good.

@mattgriffinreal Год назад

I don't care what anyone says. I liked the "reveal" in WandaVision. Yes, it was obvious, but Kathryn Hahn's delivery makes me get goosebumps every time. It was the first time in a long time that the actual mechanics of the MCU were used as a plot device... This is kind of like revealing how the Elder Wand works in Harry Potter. You have a seemingly insignificant object become the focal point of a prophecy that eventually leads to some exception to the rules of the universe. That moment in WandaVision was monumental.

@Srontgorrth Год назад

The amount of info and clips mixed with some theories you squeeze into 17 min whilst maintaining coherence is mind-blowing

@Itssheed Год назад

Rite!!! 🤯🤯🤯

@ScuzzyForPrez Год назад

Another unifying theme of phase 4 is family or perhaps family ties and the dynamics surrounding them.

@thembanitheone Год назад

That would be a lot of dead or dying families then if we look at the entirety of this phase.

@oskarskalski2982 Год назад

Another unifying theme of phase four is ... crap. Because that's what phase 4 is, the only thing that stood out was spider-man, maybe wandavision (first half) and MoonKnight. Rest is total crap. MCU stopped making good content and started making political statements through their movies and series.

@coolo73 Год назад

@@oskarskalski2982 Yet they all found their audience and made money. Further proof that the world doesn't revolve around any of us or our personal taste.

@Ra-Hul-K Год назад

yeah in Phases 1-3 none of them had any family problems: Thor lost nobody.. Natasha regretted nothing.. Hawk Eye was a lone bachelor.. Loki had no grudge with anyone in his family.. Banner, Steve Rogers & Bucky had no problem finding partners and starting new families.. Scott Lang was awarded father of the year by his wife.. Star Lord was never separated from his family, and his dad turned out to be the nicest guy in the galaxy.. and "Clarence lives at home with both parents and Clarence's parents have a real good marriage"

@brandonquan9127 Год назад

@@Ra-Hul-K True! Big cap! 😂😢

@rhyswilliams26 Год назад

This is a very interesting video which I enjoyed immensely and I also found with phase 4 is dealing with grief and mental health and loss, along with finding ones true identity in these characters. Which in a some aspects was truly underrated

@DeadmanInc336 Год назад

I like to consider Phase 4 as the honeymoon phase. The sigh of relief in a post-Endgame world before we hit the ground running again with Quantummania as we head towards a looming showdown with Kang The Conqueror in Secret Wars that I think is going to get darker and more chaotic.

@neophenom Год назад

I stand by how much I've enjoyed Phase 4. I am not going to overlook some of the issues, but I have greatly appreciated the more disconnected nature of the stories. For me it had actually avoided me feeling burned out in it all.

@Risgolden Год назад

SAME! I didn’t even become a fan of the entire mcu until phase 4 happened, before wandavision I only watched homecoming, far from home, and black panther. Disney plus marvel shows really made me a fan

@dreamlandnightmare Год назад

I think it's been great too. Definitely been the most diverse in characters, ideas and locations.

@neophenom Год назад

@@Risgolden That is interesting. Would really like to know what drew you to the shows, and if you have watched other films since. What has your impression been.

@neophenom Год назад

@@dreamlandnightmare Exactly. For me Phase 4 is giving me something that I never thought possible, and that is the feeling of persistence and continuity of that world. Remember whenever we would get a sequel and it would feel like everything got reset and were told the same story? The MCU did away with that mostly. Now with this Phase that feeling is expanded more than ever, and I'm all for it.

@bobjohnson9201 Год назад

I believe that will be the difference between casual fans and the more hardcore fans. The casual fans have fallen by the wayside from phase 4. Personally, I feel phase 4 should have been slimmed down because there is way too much content for casual fans to understand moving forward. And that is especially true if they are going to continue the trend of not talking about the events of the shows in the movies where they are relevant. This severely hampered multiverse of madness, for instance. The boxiness of the stories are just a little too much. Sometimes it worked (moon knight), other times it didn’t (multiverse of madness and black widow), and most of the time it was meh (Thor, Black Panther, eternals, Shang Chi, etc.). And I think that’s where a lot of the trouble for phase 4 lies (lots of meh movies).

@danielhenderson3753 Год назад

Fantastic analysis! I think it's also important to note that some of the phase 4 stories got jerked around and weird due to Covid rearranging the order of the series releases relative to Black Widow, and I think maybe Shang Chi. The storytelling might have been more cohesive before that.

@ScreenCrush Год назад

What do you think of Phase 4?

@VentPuer Год назад

I think it was not as bad as people sayed

@robertw31968 Год назад

Personally I didn't like Phase 4 except a couple of movies and the Loki series. Besides that I didn't really care for it.

@SilkBuckets Год назад

People hate for no reason. Coming off the biggest mcu story ever theres going to be so much fallout while also establishing the players of an even bigger MCU story. Idk what people want

@LazyReaderKanon Год назад

It was a weird transition phase, as all transition phases should be.

@ChuckNoris274 Год назад

💩

@6.2rubeenn Год назад

I’m curious in what direction marvel decides to push moon night. Being my favorite series that’s been released to date, I’d love to see Mr. Night fight alongside the Avengers 👊🏼

@juliaaxoxo94 Год назад

Personally, I’ve LOVED phase 4 so far! It seems like a lot of people expect Infinity War/Endgame level movies that they forget what it takes to get there. These stand alone movies/shows are so refreshing & cover important subjects like identity, grief, loss, new beginnings, etc.! Excited for what’s to come 😌

@pilot8220 Год назад

I love you 😍

@bhaigeniushoon Год назад

You're absolutely wrong. from the very first Iron Man and all the other movies built up before Avengers Infinity Wars were standalone and pretty enjoyable on their own and yet were progressing the story forward. There were hardly bad movies before phase 4 begun and EVERYBODY enjoyed it and they did infact build up so well to the Endgame event. But phase 4 tried to move to fast and pushed way too many things to the audience and they weren't that great titles standalone either, with the exception of Loki, Shang-Chi and even Wereworld by Night and that's just three titles which you can watch over and over without getting bored. All the other titles in phase 4 were super passable or a one time watch at best.

@ishankapoor Год назад

@@bhaigeniushoon just let 2 years pass by and you'll say the same for phase 4

@bhaigeniushoon Год назад

@@ishankapoor I hope so, but it is highly unlikely. Especially considering how corporate america is functioning, it's more about politics than actual talent now. Moreover, I don't like this "just wait, have faith, it will get better" thing. Sounds like something a scammer would say to ensure people don't pull out. Maybe you didn't understand what I had said in the previous comment. Phases 1 and 2 were pretty much enjoyable by themselves. Phase 4 isn't. What comes after won't change the fact that we got a Thor: The Dark World as an entire phase.

@juliaaxoxo94 Год назад

@@bhaigeniushoon I’m not reading all that but I’m sorry for you and/or happy for you! 🫰

@sayathedog8171 Год назад

I love Phase 4 no matter what anybody says. *I can't wait for Phase 5*

@grayclaw1391 Год назад

Very good analyze Ryan and putting these movies and shows in their proper perspective as well as in the order for the next phases to connect with. Well done and good work. thx

@316CodeRed Год назад

Isn’t EVERY story about identity? Or at least any movie could be tied to it? I really enjoyed Phase 4 by the way. I think a lot of people’s real gripes with the phase stem from some unsettled sexism or racism, given how many stories in this phase had female or POC protagonists.

@jacobleroux96 Год назад

I truly don’t mind this phase at all. Thanks for this

@jabari.n Год назад

i wouldn't say that loki is trying to find what makes him special in the show. rather, he's trying to challenge the evil identity forced onto him by the tva and he who remains

@kdstyles1979 Год назад

you make the folks at marvel look smart and i swear they just watch your videos to help them figure out the next thing they will do lol

@Greg2385F Год назад

Honestly loki is the most important character in general. He started the infinity saga in avengers and started the multiverse saga in loki.

@Ra-Hul-K Год назад

he didn't start the infinity saga.. he actually slowed down Thanos' plans.. remember Thanos already had the mind stone and he lent it to Loki to obtain the space stone from earth and lost it.. finally he had to pull it out of vision's head.. also by the end of the 1st Avengers, the space stone ended up in Asgard under Odin's protection

@davythwaites3756 Год назад

Awesome job man! Marvel should get you on board!

@gr8tbigtreehugger Год назад

Marvel should just do away with Phases and simply present a release schedule. Phases are production cycles for business reasons and more inside baseball than anything else, while Sagas are narrative journeys - this is why Marvel introduced the Saga concept. Perhaps we are looking for meaning in a frame where it isn't necessarily found.

@madisonbadger9454 Год назад

Doesn’t every comic book movie ever have the main theme or sub theme of the dual identity of the Hero and the Person

@awashington8447 Год назад

There's a reason why the Infinity Saga worked: the audience wants to feel like it's a part of a *Narrative Journey* and the first 10 years of the MCU gave them that. They were having the cinematic experience of watching an incredible story unfold in real time, that's why a cinematic universe works-the audience feels like they are a part of it Phase 4 didn't do that. Nothing seemed to connect to anything else, every character was trying to be the comic relief, and there didn't feel like there was a plot or even a direction the franchise was heading towards -the abundance of shows were basically to flesh out the Disney+ library, nothing more. Fans aren't stupid and they see right through that 🎯

@izzeypally Год назад

I think you're giving the audience too much credit. 😅

@rahbeeuh Год назад

People have said the same or made similar comments about phase 1. Infinity War and Endgame were concluding chapters to 10 years worth of story. It's unfair to compare that to a phase that's just starting after all that buildup. Obviously it's not gonna ever be the same. Thinking so is a setup to be disappointed.

@keithwoodcrest Год назад

We never knew where anything was heading in phases 1-3 either. That's kind of the whole point. Especially now. To tell a bunch of disjointed stories about a bunch of unfamiliar people in unrelated places and then tie all those stories and people together in one big bow for the finale and to help set up the next series of unrelated events that will bring another group of unfamiliar people into the mix

@rahbeeuh Год назад

@@keithwoodcrest exactly! It's gonna keep happening til Marvel decides to stop or better yet when people stop giving them money. Both can be true

@sanchise06 Год назад

Thank you!!! Every phase can not be phase 3. It would get old and stale quick. They have to build from the ground up again. I think they are doing this the right way and people need to wait. I would have like a little more spacing between all of phase 4s movies and shows to help build the anticipation but everything will work out just fine. Honestly I hope they change very little going forward. The people complaining aren’t right (not saying they are wrong) this time. The only thing that can solve the issues that people have is time. Also thank you for reminding us that phase 1 was also pretty hard to follow and all stand alone films. I honestly feel like the MCU didn’t really become the powerhouse it is today till late phase two or phase three.

@bluedevils481991 Год назад

I always say i this when i hear ppl trash on phase 4. It’s no phase 3, but it’s a lot more connected than people want to see and i have enjoyed all the movies/shows individually (yes even she hulk) i think phase 4 just suffers from coming after phase 3 and having to reboot in a way to build up to the next big fight

@josuafraser4865 Год назад

People gonna be back on the mcu bandwagon once phase 6 is in full swing🙄🤦🏾‍♂️. Then once this saga over watch people start trashing talking the mcu again during phase 7 when everything basically another phase 1 again. People are weird man

@damionceniccola Год назад

I think when Daredevil finally meets Spider-Man he's going to instantly recognize him as Peter obviously due to smell.

@hahajenkins Год назад

Phase 4 was pretty chill to me. Plus ryan’s got a way with words.

@brentanthony Год назад

THANK YOU! You're the first RU-vid person to mention what I've always been saying. We should compare Phase 4 to Phase 1, not 3. You've earned your Like and Sub

@yeuxdal Год назад

Awesome piece, Ryan! (And Doug!)

@qcrew2938 Год назад

I love phase 4!!!! I don't care what any one says!!!!

@donharris8371 Год назад

Loved this one Ryan! 👋!

@aboller319 Год назад

The identity struggle has always been the center of superhero stories. Whether it's balancing the demands of the "real" self and their alter egos, or trying to make peace with the destructive potential of their superpowers, the quest for finding one's self and locating one's self in the grander scheme of things have been point and center in MCU. We can see this from Iron Man trying to keep his normal life afloat amidst his public identity. Thor had to learn humility before taking on the identity of the Asgardian king. Cap had to create a new identity after waking up in a different era. And of course, Bruce literally fighting with another identity The multiverse saga really just made the identity crisis a lot more literal

@Kraidismyspiritanimal Год назад

While I agree with your assessment of Phase 4, I also believe Marvel and Disney used it as a sort of experiment. Like you said, it was the first time movies and shows worked hand in hand in the telling of a major story, and Disney wanted to know exactly how to best use the Series format. Some shows worked and some weren't a big hit. How do you introduce a new character, tell a decent story AND keep viewers hooked for a 6,8 or 10 series run? You introduce the Special Presentation. WBN was such a fun and incredibly detailed show that focused on a very specific tale. It worked perfectly as a "short movie" but probably would have lost fans as a series. I believe She hulk would have been better received as a Special Presentation rather than the series we got. With phase 4 done and the reviews in, I think we'll get a better balance of movies, series, and special presentations.

@Canbilly2 Год назад

Then they wouldn't have the run times needed to literally bash fans in the show.

@jaym8988 Год назад

Standalone movies were great... when they were good. The problem with phase 4 wasn't the lack of interconnectivity, it was the lack of quality.

@docrandle Год назад

I think folks are being weirdly finnicky with the last year of stuff. I think it's been some of my favorite Marvel stuff yet. It feels like they're taking the bumpers out of the lane and letting people get weird with it, and after 10 years, that's what I'm more than ready for. Also people wanting everything to be more connected, like it didn't take 4 years to get a connected movie in the first phase. It was always going to be the case that everyone would spread back out into some solo stories again.

@SallyWilliams Год назад

I really like the diversity of Phase IV, and that they took a completely different path. I can understand why some hardcore Marvel fans don't like it, but the overall success proves that they did the right things. Not every output was for everybody, but among my many friends, each one liked some of the stories told best. Personally Multiverse of Madness, WandaVision, Loki + Love & Thunder were my favourites, but I still enjoyed the other productions

@fahimalfaisal7781 Год назад

Hardcore marvel fans want marvel to stick to those same formula !So ignore them !

@DarkenedCloud95 Год назад

To be honest here Phase 4 feels alot like how Phase 1 & 2 were, Experimental & Expansion also they had small themes that connected to the Multiverse Saga in general. MCU Phase 4 had some duds, gems, average movies like Moon Knight, Werewolf By Night, Spiderman NWH, Loki that were absolute gems while few episodes of Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk and Eternals were duds then there's the average MCU content like everything else. Each title has the same themes running across them that ties with the concept of the multiverse.

@iamgroot3391 Год назад

Yeah phase 4 is definitely a mess and the projects were very hit or miss at least for me. But there was a lot of world building and character setups for the next phases so I’ll give it that

@TheKendeHD Год назад

better than phases 1 & 2

@catmario-_3170 Год назад

@@TheKendeHD Avengers and Iron Man 1 >>

@Ra-Hul-K Год назад

@@TheKendeHD the first Avengers movie is what even put the MCU on the map! with just 6 movies in each Phases, 1 & 2 are still far better than Phase 4 (7 movies+8 shows)

@BeDoCo1980 Год назад

I agree about the quality of the projects, but it was due to two factors: a) Disney was pushed out projects at a rate unseen before an b) because of the volume of projects being pushed out, Kevin Feige was stretched thin unable to be as involved as he was in Phases 1-3.

@ucmanhvuong4301 Год назад

@@TheKendeHD some real copium going on here. Phase 4 is shit. Wake up and stop shilling and demand better quality from Disney. Or else they'll keep pushing shit down our throat.

@Darth_Mom_2 Год назад

O.G. MCU fan that watched all these movies in the theater (waiting years in between)and it is definitely true that nothing was really cohesive until the later phases. When Disney+ came through, me and my daughter watched one movie a day and by the time we got to Endgame, it was mind blowing how awesome the storytelling was and how much we loved the characters. To my understanding, this is how many newer fans got started and lucky enough to have all the movies at their fingertips. In my opinion that is a different viewing experience affecting perception of storytelling. As a person who is not really into this batch of content after Infinity Saga, Thank you for pointing out that I should be comparing phase 4 to phase 1. This breakdown was really awesome I’ve tried to listen to other creators, but Ryan is the best.

@Snoodlehootberry Год назад

Hi Ryan Great update as always, thanks

@julienmorcy1171 Год назад

i love how we all just ignore Eternals lol

@paychexx Год назад

This make so sense...And it continues with King Dynasty and Secret Wars...Identity.

@buildingbread Год назад

Isn’t the identity theme a cop out? Nearly every superhero movie/show is a battle between their superhero persona and their regular one or their live pre-superhero and post.

@jr4android Год назад

THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOU RYAN!!!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!! i have been yelling this into the void and it feels so great to have someone with a large platform finally put these things into words!!

@jeffgrube9448 Год назад

I think that I figured out that all of these MCU Disney + shows are setting up the Young Avengers! -Billy Maximov (Wiccan) & Tommy Maximov (Speed) from WandaVision -Eli Bradley (Patriot) & Joaquin Torres (Falcon) from Falcon & the Winter Soldier - Skaar (Hulking) from She-Hulk -Kid Loki from Loki -Kate Bishop (Hawkeye) from Hawkeye -Kamala Kahn (Ms. Marvel) from Ms. Marvel -RiRi Williams (Ironheart) upcoming IronHeart show Plus... -Cassie Lang (Stinger/Stature) from Ant-Man -Prince T'Chala from Black Panther -America Chavez (Miss America) from Dr. Strange #2

@spritvio639 Год назад

Phase 4, I enjoyed overall. But it is the weakest phase.

@fahimalfaisal7781 Год назад

No it’s not

@vachelmcfarland4886 Год назад

Incredible analysis, bro! You hit the nail on the head! The younger RU-vidrs lack a broader vision and always spend their time (and mine) nitpicking their childish, and often misogynistic, confusions. No wonder so many people (like me) respect and admire your work. You bring a lot of objective clarity to your reportage and reviews. And you can be sweetly funny too. Ryan, you are a class act! Kudos... um, I mean... EXCELSIOR!!

@la5081 Год назад

Minor correction. They DID have a plan when they started. The entire venture (MCU) was based on a plan - starting with Ironman, to create movies protecting their IP. They had to use B and C team heroes because the others were all taken. Blade gave them hope that the plan could work. This was all covered in an HBR Case Study back in 2006/7. I know because we covered in in Grad school and I still have that case study.

@brianquincyscott1955 Год назад

This phase is amazing to me...I'm writing before I watch Ryan and Doug talk. The reason I like it is because it's so unpredictable...even more so than the first phase...when it all comes together it'll be jaw dropping. But the thread I see is Gods. With Wanda, with Thor, with Moon Knight. Maybe even She-Hulk with her seeing godly power in breaking the forth wall...Loki is in that same vein.

@ThousanWhite Год назад

It's so strange. I vividly remember the complaints about Phase 2 and 3 about the movies feeling like nothing but filler that tried too hard to be connected. Now people are acting like Phase 4 is bad because the movies aren't connected enough? Hmmm, I guess what they saw about the casual audience is true...

@mitchellcercone8483 Год назад

We needed this video thank you! I’m sick of everyone trashing on phase 4, you’re my hero Ryan!

@Anchorheart401 Год назад

As always amazing job researching and writing this and a BEYOND great take on finding the connective tissue between all these projects. While you're 100% correct in this, I also think you're 100% wrong. Here's why. MARVEL DIDN'T INTEND THIS! ...@least I don't think they did. If people have to think this much about connective theme then it's not really there IMHO. Phase IV is the cinematic V bomb that covid hit us with. Shut downs. Delays. Reworks and cancelations. Plus after Endgame I'm sure everyone, especially our robotic overlord Kevin, was exhausted and just wanted to sit back and enjoy the success they managed. Who knows if they even had another big connective direction for these? Doesn't seem like they did. It wasn't even named the multiverse saga until after Loki was it? Anyhoo, again, amazing work on this video and I'm sure Marvel appreciates it but with multi billion dollar projects theme has to be obvious. It should've been called the C19 Scrapes Saga.

@palody_en-ja Год назад

Identify being a running theme is interesting, but I feel that it's not new or limited to play four, since it's sort of required for a hero's journey narrative. The original Avengers cast for instance had very obvious themes about identity, from becoming a hero (Iron Man, Thor, Captain America), inner struggle (Hulk), or coming to grips with haunting reminders of the past (Black Widow, Bucky). Hawkeye definitely needed time to bloom though!

@cypherpunkreviews Год назад

That Doug ornament is so darn cute, great stocking stuffer

@mitchevett5051 Год назад

love this video! the hate phase 4 is annoying, ppl gotta look at the bigger picture and appreciate each film for what it is. Thanks Matt and Ryan!

@saturncrush Год назад

Bruh the dropped the funkin’ ball of Thor Love and Thunder. Damn!!!

@Defiler82 Год назад

Okay, it looks alright - but lets be honest - ALL the MCU stories, movies and TV shows are all about identities. And I do mean all of them. It's easy to pick in Phase 1, every hero finding who he truly is (it takes Iron Man two movies to get there, and the struggle of who he is now keeps on appearing on the third film). Thor is all over it, 3 times in a row, Captain America also, and when it kinda settle down the question goes to Bucky. Ant-Man is also there, think about it - even as he goes into Antman and the Wasp, the flashes and conversations of Scott been possessed by Hope's mom, it brings us back to an identity crisis. Also there's Ghost with her own identity crisis. Even Thanos goes through it with IW, choosing the stones over his daughter(s). The identity thing is NOT unique for phase 4. It is just a common theme for every hero-journey-themed story, which of course will included all if not most of the super-hero franchises out there. The same can be spoken about DC films - Man of Steel is Superman finding who he is, Suicide Squad (both of them) are them finding out they are not just villains. BVS is all about what makes us heroes and who we are underneath (and if we can bleed or something, that movie is a mess), Aquaman, Shazam, Harley Queen, Black Adam, they are ALL about heroes (or anti-heroes) finding who they are, or at least who they are from this moment on. So nope - I'm not buying it. I love most of Phase4, but saying it's all about identity is misinterpreting the genre imo. Hero-journeys are ALWAYS about identities. That's an inherent part of it. It's harder to find a super-hero movie which is NOT about identity or the struggle about it, actually. Maybe some of the Blades movie, or the weaker X-Men movies, even Deadpool 2 is about finding who you truly are. So sorry, it's not the one thing that connects all Phase4. I tried to find a cohesive frame for this phase but there's none. Maybe it's because there is too much content. Maybe because they just shot so many shots, some of them stick and some didn't. It wasn't grief, though it was apparent from Wandavision to Wakanda Forever (because Shehulk and Strange weren't about it at all, and Loki touched it only barely), and it wasn't about motherhood though it did have a strong theme going (and again, skipped in Doctor Strange and Shehulk, Loki and F&TWS among others). But the identity thing? Nope, that's was always there. And always will be.

@pillar81 Год назад

I think the way you described Dreykov’s daughter AKA Taskmaster is a perfect encapsulation. That’s what gave me more of an appreciation of the MCU’s Taskmaster than the others who have been boohooing about straying from the comics. Although I wish that the comics version of Taskmaster was maybe revealed later on as the original, like Hank Pym was the original Ant Man. I’m hoping to see more of Taskmaster moving forward.

@DecoyZ Год назад

I really enjoyed Phase 4, besides Eternals, there was nothing I really disliked. It wasn't as smooth or as streamlined as phases 1-3 But 1-3 was janky in its own way I think a lot of people are far too harsh on phase 4. There's more projects so there will be more people won't like. If phase 4 was only like 7 projects I think it would be even worse depending on what projects got kicked out.

@Buffy8Fan Год назад

Thank you for mentioning things that have thought and new would happen since the end of Phase 3. What the video says makes sense. A new saga started a new arc of a story, so the have to build the story. People seem to want these epic movies or an ending to a phase like an Avengers film to look forward to. We don't need an Avengers film every phase with the MCU being so big now. But without a foundation what people are screaming for, will turn into what the DCEU tried and failed at doing. Every other complaint I see is subjective to whether something was good or bad. I see some who say they dislike one also be loved by another. That isn't fixable. I remember the internet complaining about the first Captain America movie, but cried at him and Agent Carter getting there dance...which was first mentioned in that first Captain America film. By phase six, people may still hate phase four, (or not, who knows), but it will matter story-wise and emotionally.

@nyceplayz8051 Год назад

She-Hulk twerking with MTS is an MCU highlight, a home run.

@Auto-Toon Год назад

Imagine taking a shot every time Ryan says Identity

@yacoubasidibe8030 Год назад

Drinking game: Take a shot each time Ryan says the word “identity” 🥴

@ivlogtv9331 Год назад

Spot on! I enjoyed Phase 4 and looking forward for more!

@Tinkerbe11 Год назад

I had no problems with Phase 4, and I loved the different directions this universe was taking. It made it all so much bigger, and when they all come together at the end of Phase 6, it will be gigantic!

@tjmullin2909 Год назад

Phase 4 was a dumpster fire

@IceClawz. Год назад

The way I see it is the films and tv shows are just there to let us know what the heroes have done and how they grow to set the scene for the big "avengers" type films (I say it like that because there are likely to be different team up movies). The stand alone films don't have to constantly show it's linked to other properties,that's what the team up films are for. The stand alone films build up to the team up films and then the team up films build up to the saga end film/s. Solo films

@coolo73 Год назад

Thoughtful analysis as always.

@mydoggylives Год назад

Thing is... when they promo'ed the Disney+ shows and Phase 4 films... they specifically said that you could watch the films WITHOUT having to watch the tv shows and still be able to understand what was going on. But... if you DID happen to watch the tv shows... you'd have a LOT more information than those who just went to the films. I think they forgot about that as they were going through them.

@fahimalfaisal7781 Год назад

It’s almost like it’s a connected universe ?Even if you don’t watch any of the shows just knowing the basic stuffs that happen in the show would be well more than enough !LMAO !🤣🤣

@jonathanhadden7157 Год назад

Dude! You're briliant! My favorite MCU reviewer (and I owned a comic store for a decade!). You should write for the MCU! I love your ideas!

@wesleycolvin7158 Год назад

Another theme you could thrown in is long term trauma. A LOT of these characters are still reeling from serious losses with little or no time to grieve.

@charlottebain237 Год назад

Thank you Ryan! My first time here! I appreciate the explanation! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@elatt Год назад

The issue isn’t phase 4 not having a lot of interconnected movies, it’s the movies not being any good anymore: one dimensional characters, diluting of the brand, service of action over story. Look back at how revolutionary the first iron man was

@fahimalfaisal7781 Год назад

The movies are good !Pay more attention

@thejongshow8821 Год назад

There should have been more references to blip and Thanos. Falcon was only show that highlighted its aftermath. Every other show barely talks about it or make it a joke

@simonpetersteachings4980 Год назад

@ScreenCrush you should make a video about Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency :D I dont know what the video should be about but that series is very special and sooooo good!!

@bighoss2042 Год назад

It all matters, its the official start of the multiverse. If people reading this, if you you didn't watch Loki, watch it. Its way more important than probably anybody realizes. everything's coming together & everything that was will become variants etc etc.

@rickyspanish8499 Год назад

It was honestly better than I thought considering it being post endgame. Never liked Loki as a character and found his show the best out of phase 4. I didn’t know moonknight well and was blown away by it. Wanda vision was fun. MoM was fun but had some missed opportunities. NWH was top tier. That said there were a bunch of misses as well

@arttukettunen5757 Год назад

Yes, phase 4 did some things right, but that doesn't mean it is without its flaws. Some narrative decisions are just stupid and couldn't be just explained by that it's different, some shows and movies suffering more than others. There sure were interesting details, but there was equally as much red herrings that didn't do anything, or would matter too late for people to care, i.e. even up to next phases. But overall, I would still say some of the hate is just people getting bored of the superhero niche, often not expressed as that.

@amirreza2612 Год назад

I thought it was mainly about Grief but now I see your point.

@ryansproviero Год назад

I wish they'd somehow use the Shield crew from the show. With the multiverse there must be a way to take advantage of developed characters. Frankly they owe it to fans that watched in belief it was part of the long term plan.

@3DGiftsAndTreasures Год назад

Question your own identity in Phase 4 so you're ready to question everyone else's identity in Phase 5. Hellooo Skrulls and more Variants!

@Chaos3183 Год назад

I have been calling this a set up phase since the beginning. I am so glad you are confirm in a very hardy way my notion.

@keybladewielder230 Год назад

Its almost like a book never starts with the climax and keeps building on that climax; It all has to start from somewhere or something. You can't establish a building without the grounds it was structured on. People just don't seem to get what this Phase is. And personally, I'd rather have a slight dip in quality if it means the bigger Phases 5 and 6 get more Vfx attention.

@Josh_Noble Год назад

@ 15:05 - 15:17 In Multiverse of Madness, every Strange variant Dr. Strange meets has a horrible haircut, which reaffirms his convictions that seeking assistance with his personal grooming techniques was one of the best decisions he ever made and that he has nothing to be ashamed of for doing so because in the Endgame, he was the best looking Dr. Strange out of 14,000,605 variants. Written and Directed by Manscaped.

@c.h.5510 Год назад

2:50 Opposite of sturdy🤣

@blakena4907 2 месяца назад

Thank you, ScreenCrush, for following my line of thinking. I genuinely believe that we're headed towards a heck of a fun and awesome series of movies and potentially shows in the near future. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it. But I'd rather view it as a whole, instead of dropping hate on individual movies or shows.

@matthewsager925 Год назад

"Be Kevin Bacon...but like if you didn't suck!" Best line in the MCU so far...

@al.109 Год назад

You doggy is adorable as always

@tiago9977 Год назад

I've been kinda surprised by how many ppl have criticised Phase 4 for being "directionless" tbh. There's definitely plenty to criticise about Phase 4, but I think it makes perfect sense for it to have focused on the consequences of Endgame, and setting up new characters. Like Ryan said, it should be compared more to Phase 1 than Phase 3 - it's literally the start of a brand new Saga lol.

@edwinrodriguez1173 Год назад

Go one step back: It was the Avengers, maybe more specifically Tony and or Hulk, caused the multiversal war. Loki was chained up in End Game until Tony lost the suitcase with the CC when Hulk knocked him over, and Loki picked up the CC. But yes this Loki got his way to avoid being pruned but the Avengers let him loose

@famerixerhuntard8045 Год назад

I think when Ant-Man Quantamania releases, that’s when the multiverse story kicks into gear

@cutiegalore5376 Год назад

How many years until we see the final conclusion to these phases... or will they be ETERNAL?

@thepaperbicycle Год назад

Since Jeckyll and Hyde, all narrative has asked "Who am I?" as in Who's the narrator OR Who is the main character. Who's telling the story in Phase 4. Nick Fury told us 1-3. Who's the main character as an analysis tests our perception as well as puts the action into context. Kang hasn't worked alone, for example. Loki is actually many Lomi's. The 1 that stabs HWR isn't less important than another. Are Sam and Bucky simply on a collision course or are they simply part of Steve's story? No 1, includi g Bruce, knows their purpose yet. That's "Who am I". The question that defines the foundation for all analysis. Stan Lee pulled this through all of Marvel from the Mutants (Charles versus Eric) and Peter versus Matt. Peter never saw himself as a vigilante, for example. The shio of These us is exactly this. With everything changing, with so much at stake, which version remains after everything collapses?