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I swear for just a second when I heard that Phil Collins “axed” Paul McCartney, it flashed through my mind that this must be more serious than I imagined.
@@rctopfueler2841 Being from Eastern KY I heard relics of Elizabethan and Jacobean English while growing up. So I’m not questioning their validity. My grandmother used the word “axed” for “asked.” I’m just saying that I wasn’t paying much attention and for a split second I truly thought the worst. That’s all. This may be a forum where standard English phraseology would be preferable. Or not for all I know. That’s another discussion I guess.
The real Paul McCartney died in 1966 and was replaced by Billy. Billy probably has difficulty signing with his left hand and making it look like Paul McCartney's signature. Maybe he does those type of signatures in his home, etc. with his right hand. Also, Billy knows that he was not in the Beatles when the album Phil wanted him to sign was recorded. Maybe if Phil had asked Billy to sign an album from Sgt. Peppers on or a Wings album or a Paul McCartney (Billy) solo album, the response might have been different.
Absolutely. Collins isn't just a fucking awful performer and cliched songwriter, going by his ridiculous _"fuck you, fuck you"_ reaction, he's a prick.
From other articles I read that Paul's cheekiness rubs people the wrong way that's why he wasn't included in the voices on Dark side of the moon cause when he was asked questions he was being cheeky and not taking anything serious roger waters left his recorded response out of the album
@@robgilmartin6892 I heard the story went that after Fill ate the sangwich, he shouted "These Pretzel's Are Making Me Thirsty"... (I could be wrong on that, though)
I thought Paul's comment was hilarious. I think Paul was being totally tongue in cheek and a I don't know why why Phil took it so seriously. In a way Paul was probably suprised that someone with Phils musical stature would come up to him like any regular fan.
It's just standard cheeky "beatles" humour. Basically the same humour a lot of guys everywhere have when joking with each other. Collins sounds like a delicate flower lol
@@poocrayon4588 Delicate flower, monster drummer, i guess the North and South humour differs somewhat, those cheeky Scousers and the toffee nosed southerners are different breeds lol...Love them both btw, both legends.
@@naj_zIt's not that they're brain dead, it's that it's mostly Americans replying and they honestly don't understand banter 😂 They see banter as rudeness and dislike rather than us Brits who know it's warmth.
This is so blown up. I don't believe the reason they don't communicate with each other is because of this silly incident. I'm sure they've long gotten over this. They're both kept busy, and with Collins' health issues, I'm sure he has more important things on his mind.
It’s very possible. There are a lot of A list rock musicians from back then that cannot stand Phil Collins. It’s all very similar to how fellow musicians view the Eagles.
Many people believe that the original Paul McCartney died in late 1966 and was replaced by a very talented musician named Billy. So, not only was Paul killed at age 24, but most people didn't realize it because Billy replaced him in the Beatles and took over Paul's identity. This should be taken into account. The original Paul should be separate in people's mind from the second Paul (Billy). From what I have seen of the original Paul, he was always polite and had a very warm, charming personality. He deserves his own legacy, separate from the impersonator -- regardless of how talented Billy may be.
I just checked his rendition of "Tomorrow never knows" and I do like it. Gave me a flashback cause I remember the first time I heard that song was Phill's version and it was quite a spectacle to the ears listening with a Walkman being around 10 y/o. If you compare them side by side they don't differ that much, if any in the sonic content of the song so is not like Phil recomposed it, he merely made a cover trying to bring the same elements in his way.
Eric Clapton partied with Collins during the making of the album and played on many tracks including TOMMOROW NEVER KNOWS.Being a friend and collaborator with all the BEATLES,I'm sure there is no serious amnocity between them and its just a joke .Also PHIL attended a BEATLES concert that was being filmed for use in A HARD DAYS NIGHT and was immortalized when he was included in a crowd shot that made the final cut.If ya look you will see a teenage COLLINS in the audience with considerably more hair!
There is a story about how a VERY young Phil Collins appeared on a George album that never made the cut. George got him years late with what might have been the best prank in the history of the world. He got another drummer to do a hideous job in a recreation of it and then passed it off as Collins' work.
Clapton and McCartney are not friends Jym, they are "aqauntancies". Paul thinks this is because Clapton was great friends with George after the Beatles split and took his side in the dispute. The disharmony between Paul and George ran deep for many years.
Idk, I like Phil, but I think he was a little over sensitive. Unless Paul had a very nasty tone and look in his eyes when he said it, it sounds more like light hearted friendly banter to me. This speaks more to Phil having an arrogant attitude problem than Paul.
Paul was the one who found out how to manipulate the tape machine to make loops by removing the eraser head. He then brought the loops in a bag and suggested the others also make some for the song. Most of the ones used were Paul’s but the others do have loops on the song. What matters though is the song wouldn’t be the influential song it is today with Paul
@@roxannemoser Making a fortune singing about hoseless people and a few years later saying that you would leave the country if Labour won the election in protest at having to pay more tax. Nice guy.
Paul Mccartney is well known to be liked by most of his peers, as well as fans who have met him. I hardly have ever read about a negative encounter from people who have met him. No matter what, there are going to be people that simply do not take to you. Just the way it is.
He treated Ozzy Osbourne a bit dismissively as well, when they met puublicly on camera.Paul didn't know he was going to be there, but Ozzy wwas perfectly amiable and had never met Paul before and was excited. I don't think this is so far-fetched
@@Rowlph8888 but that was pretty much my point. I don't deny Mr. Collins truth, just that many, many people and celebrities love Paul. It's ok to be disliked by someone when the majority generally likes you. We can't be loved by everyone.
@@Artisan1.618 - it’s not aksed it’s ASKED ! I don’t care if you think axing instead of asking makes you appear more “ street” , it just makes you look a prat with a capital P !
Phil you made good music but none of it truly outlived the 80s. Paul's got nuggets that will live for a hundred years if not longer. Phil lighten up!!!!!!
Never meet your heroes. When they turn out to be asses not only to you lose someone who inspires you but you feel like an idiot for having looked up to them in the first place. Phil probably doesn't want Paul's autograph anymore. And, the thing is that it is an impossible situation for Paul. I'm sure Paul didn't mean anything by it but such a moment to a fan is so amplified, whether it is Phil Collins or any of us, that it is easy to overreact. However, that is just as bad because when you lionize people it becomes disappointing when you realize they are mere mortals just like you are.
I imagine it was a bit of a shock for Paul to have Phil ask such a question. Perhaps it was one he wasn't ready for. Maybe Phil didn't stop to think that signing an autograph was the last thing he wanted to do, especially on an album from that long ago from better days when his other " brothers" were alive and they were all getting along. I can only imagine the emotional traumas Paul deals with from the past, the strain of always being in the public eye, people wanting autographs. Maybe, just maybe he wanted to be treated or would like to be treated like a normal human being..no autographs please!
There’s a story here in Scotland, which may or may not be true, that Collins after buying that land in Scotland, just after releasing Another Day In Paradise then having people who lived on the land evicted, walked into the local pub, the only one for miles, and instantly the owner barman said “your barred”, “don’t you know who I am?” responded Collins, “I, get out, your barred.”
Probably true Alex. In the 70s, three members of Genesis (including Collins), bough a small street of houses in rural England. they just left it to rot. They buy it for investment / tax purposes and give no thought to the local environment.
In the 1980s, Phil Collins was a hitmaker known for chart topping divorce ballads inspired by the fallout of his first marriage while Paul McCartney collaberated with Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson among others. In the words from "Silly Love Songs", what's wrong with that.
The real Paul never acted like such a jerk. But imposter Paul is not very nice. Maybe he wouldn't sign the album because that album was before the real Paul died.
Phil cover of "Tomorrow Never Knows" is perfect. And his 'Over The Rainbow' sung so sweetly as a tribute to John is exquisite. Beyond Tasteful. It is a magnificent gesture of love.
The fact that when Phil approached Paul, Heather Mills was there might provide some clue to Paul's rather uncharacteristic response. Heather reportedly had little time for Paul's social circle, famous or otherwise, and Paul wasn't always the happy gregarious musician of old around that period.
@@glendalangley1877 Three of the four Beatles were known for physically being abusive to their women. The brutal violence inflicted upon their spouses and other family members is deeply disturbing, especially when focusing on John Lennon. Still, there are no credible allegations of George Harrison being like that, but his wife Patti Boyd did wind up leaving him for fellow musician and friend, Eric Clapton. The one legged blonde, Heather Mills claims that Paul McCartney regularly beat the plain looking Linda Eastern daily through out their long marriage. If you look back at the many clips and photographs of Linda McCartney over the years, you can clearly see she was an abused, tormented woman that was forced to endure unspeakable violence, behind closed doors. When she suddenly died of breast cancer in the nineties, her body wasn't even cold before McCartney was seeing the much younger, Heather Mills.
I think we all missed the Band On The Run reference. He said something about 'is holding a grudge for that long justified. You'll have to judge.' Whereas Paul says, "And the county judge, who held a grudge..."
hasn't everyone said something they should not have at some point? even if mccartney was being mean, it is far worse to nurse this along for years as being such a big deal. life is too short.
Phil hates Paul mostly because He knows that the musician calling himself Paul McCartney IS AN IMPOSTER The real James Paul McCartney died in a horrific car crash arranged by MI6... In 1966 James Paul was a charming man....not sarcastic, ever. Not mean spirited. May he rest in peace, through the Divine Mercy of God+❤🙏🕯✨
Being a fan... And being a fan that collects things as a hobby... When I hear that someone brings a unique 1St Edition and has the honor to possibly having it signed by one of the books subjects... Tells the strong admiration and love of the fan... But stepping back and hearing the reaction... It's painfully clear to me what happened and why it's actually a very tragic set of circumstances... It was Paul... Whether anyone from outside could ever really understand, the break up of the Beatles for Paul - turned that side of Paul's life - into sharp moments of pain and anger... In hindsight, had anyone advised Phil to NOT introduce the book... Things from that point on... Would be different, for sure... Because Phil was hit by a reaction to things he was never apart of... Paul wasn't able process the matter to begin with, which is the wrench from very start... Things... Control to much... Shapes from the present shaped by the past that in turn shape the future... Locking hurt both in and away... Which is how this chance event sparked like it did...
Yes, and Paul was married to the bitch Heather Mills at the time. He dealt with depression after the Beatles broke up and Linda pulled him out of it. When she died, he again fell into a deep depression. He fell for Heather because he was really vulnerable. Even though Stella warned him (and probably his other kids) that she was bad news, he married her anyway. Some men just cannot be alone. I've seen it happen more often with guys than women. Guys don't have the larger support network women do, for the most part. I hate to generalize but it is something I've seen over my six decades on this Earth. Paul was in a bad mood, obviously. Phil should forgive and try to forget because grudges just hurt the one holding them.
@@fordblue609 Well yes, it could easily be a racist comment, what with "axed" for "asked" being predominantly common to black people. But it's not necessarily racist. Like me, the guy might simply dislike the English language being used incorrectly.
I think Paul was channeling a smarmy John Lennon there, just like I often imitate my best friend. Lennon made fun of the Beatles' fame for many years after their breakup because, to him, fans hung on to Beatlemania when they should have been moving on to world peace and other causes he believed in.
Before Heather Mills entered the foray, Paul and Phil were tight. In 1986, Phil played on Paul's Press to Play album on the song "Angry" with Pete Townshend of The Who on guitar. They also played The Prince's Trust that same year, A few years on they shared the bill at Knebworth 1990 and the Montserrat Benefit Concert of September, 1997 with Phil on drums and Paul played Golden Slumbers Medley (also with Clapton and Mark Knopfler) and Hey Jude (the aforementioned plus Elton John and Sting). Heather was a bad seed (even David Gilmour warned Paul about marrying her despite going to the wedding).
McCartney’s comment sounds like a joke that was musunderstood. Then again Phil’s ”angry” comment sounds like a joke to me as well. Phil does not seem that touchy in general. Maybe he would be pissed off for a while but holding a grudge for years and years… nah. Anyhow, I would not mind been patronized by Paul or Phil myself😉😎 Neither of them even knows or cares I exist
@@travels129no he just didn’t want to. Paul has become friendly with Stern but he has every right to be angry with him if he wanted. Howard used to talk so much shit, especially about Linda. I’m surprised Paul has been on his show so much
Height: Paul McCartney: 5 feet 11 inches (almost 2 meters) Phil Collins: 5 feet 6 inches (1.83 meters) Maybe Phil interpreted the comment as a snide remark about him being short. He also appears briefly on film as a member of the audience in A Hard Day's Night.
Water under the bridge, check when they record together at Macca's "Press to Play" : "McCartney recruited a range of leading musicians to perform on the album, including guitarist Carlos Alomar and The Who’s Pete Townshend. The latter performed on ‘Angry’, which was recorded live in the studio with Phil Collins on drums in less than three hours."
That's strange, since a lot of other British Rock Stars are also Beatles fans - and, in the Ozzie Osbourne Documentary, I've seen Ozzie (a HUGE Beatles fan) getting Paul McCartney to sign his Beatles Album. Paul was very gracious. Lemmy from Motorhead was also a massive Beatles fan - I don't think that Paul would be rude to Lemmy, if he knew what was good for him. Phil Collins seems a bit Over-Sensitive.
If I had to guess, Paul was joking and didn't even remember the interaction until he heard about it in the press. I know, I've joked to someone, only to find they got upset over it. I guess Paul assumed that Phil being a big star himself would understand the joke. Playing amature psychiatrist, I would guess, because he was a Beatles fan as a kid, this felt like being crushed by his idol. Not really Paul's fault.
I am thinking that sometime in the past, Cheesy Phil slighted Paul or the Beatles and when the time came to return McCartney put him in his place ten fold. Thanks Paul.
@@B.R.0101 Not really. I bought Band on the Run and Venus and Mars and didn't really like anything on them. Never bought any of his again; certainly not the dirge Mull of Kintyre and couldn't really drum up any excitement about We All Stand Together. Those two he did with Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder were dire. So, no, I didn't think much of his non-Beatle stuff.
@@trevorhoward7682 there are albums before band on the run and after venus and mars, btw he really wrote beautiful melodies like Junk and many other, probably personal tastes are soooo different but he kept on writing beautiful albums... Different tastes...
It would appear Paul wanted to address the fact that Phil's success might never have happened if it had not been for the fact the Beatles opened the door for so any musicains and for whatever reason he took the opportunity to let him know it ! "Little Phil"wow !
Phil was certainly not the first whom Paul was a jerk towards. For example, his constant criticism of Ringo during the recording of "Back in the USSR" drove Ringo to quit the Beatles... albeit temporarily. John and George persuaded him to re-join, but it was actually Paul who played drums for the recording of that song.
@@FRN2013hat’s not what Ringo says about the situation but even if it is true it doesn’t really make Paul look bad. Paul came up with many of the Beatles drum patterns so he was just trying to direct Ringo on what to play like he had done many times before. Ringo says he just wasn’t feeling connected to everyone so he quit. I doubt Paul directing him like he had always done was the reason for leaving
Many sources say Paul was criticizing, not directing. And many sources say George and John persuaded Ringo to come back. I wasn't there. I'm just going by what those sources say. What's your source?
Phil was certainly not the first whom Paul was a jerk towards. Paul's constant criticism of Ringo during the recording of "Back in the USSR" drove Ringo to quit the Beatles. John and George persuaded him to re-join, but it was actually Paul who played drums for the recording of that song.
@@FRN2013 Ringo denies this. Possibly it was a factor but Ringo blames how he was feeling shit and questioning his place in the band at the time. He says taking a quick holiday helped him recover and when he got back George made a fuss and Paul wrote a postcard saying that Ringo was the best drummer in the world (which he has since always repeated). He possibly just needed encouragement because he was having a bad day. These were the white album sessions, infamous for them all being in a particular bad mood at one point or another.
Um, I hate to inform you, but Paul is usually well lit. The Beatles were/are on drugs since the 1950s. Everything he has recorded he was stoned. The privelege of reading 25 books on The Beatles.
@@hellsjamfleas Good post Helen. Ringo did indeed a holiday. He took his two sons to the Med. They went on a ship tour. The tour guide spoke of the octopuses living below the sea. Inspired by this it became "Octopuses Garden". The other three Beatles actually sent Ringo a telegram saying he was the best drummer and they didn't want him to leave. The White Album sessions were very fraught for many reasons.
Since Phil is only 5-6, is was a bit of an insult. But, we all sometimes on the spur of the moment, can say something stupid and regret it. Paul was probably feeling a little jovial, and it just came out. He did contact Phil and apologized, but apparently it wasn't enough. It sounds like Phil needs to forgive and forget, and move on.
Both are great musicians in their own right, from two legendary bands. You can tell from Collins' solo album covers, he has a relatively healthy ego lol. For him to tuck tail and ask for a autograph is a big deal. Unfortunately, Paul apparently took a moment that he decided not to be so humble and gracious, but instead flexed his ego. It's a shame, but that's how these things go sometimes. I still enjoy both of their music. Paul will always be my favorite Beatle!
Or Phil blew it way out of proportion and Paul was joking. For Phil to be so upset over something so minor and to hold a grudge all these years shows who was the real asshole
Stupid move to ask for an autograph during an event. Plus, Paul's no fool. With a strike of a pen that album becomes BIG money. May as well have asked Paul for a handout. If they were friends, ask in a casual setting. Paul would probably have been happy to do it for him.
Pffff.... Tom Jones once wanted to beat John Lennon up in the early 60's because Lennon greeted him with something along the lines of "Hi there you welsh f*g". It took a lot of restraint and convincing from his own manager to explain to Jones that that was just the Beatle banter and that Lennon was just being Lennon. After that all was well. Sounds to me as if widdle Phill got a big head on his shoulders and took Beatle banter a bit too seriously. Besides, McCartney isn't worng, lol, I mean yeah, Genesis is great and Phil's ok and all, but this is Paul McCartney, man. League of his own.
Sounds like the most accurate description for 99% people of this world... "bland middle of the road dross" 🤣🤣🤣makes sense now that he sold millions... insecure people always flexing their numbers
