Really would like to know if you would have moved right and squared up to see how each ball reacted. I don’t feel that circling the lane was a good showing. Sorry if any feel differently I have my thoughts lol great video
DV8 Captiv8 didn't have much backend but I wished you moved right and play a straighter line. I think that's where the pin down might outshine the pin up in this situation. all my balls are pin up. I'm rev dominant over speed and always seems to over hook I might give pin down a try. overall great review.
Question/s: I'm a few months into learning to bowl past recreational/fun. I've been watching lots of videos over the past few months. I have yet to watch a video where the weight of the ball, the person is using, is stated. That's hundreds of videos and not one has stated ir even given the weight in the video info. Why is this? Especially when reviewing a ball. We all know it is a factor so why not disclose the weight to help the viewer in their decision? ??????????
Pin up and pin down are up for interpretation. Using the dual angle layouts, one pin location could be a different pin location for someone else. Why? Because everyone throws it different. For example, 60 x 4 x 50 is going to be a different location of the pin/cg/PSA for me than it will be for anyone else, but it is the same layout just fit to their PAP.
That's why you lay a ball out to a bowlers PAP. The interpretation doesn't make any difference. A 60 degree drill angle for a 5" PAP is still 60 degrees if it's laid out for a 4" PAP. The location of the pin/cg and PSA really is irrelevant. The layout dictates the intention.
@@timanders3151 we can talk all day, but you saying 5” pap tells me enough lol. Pap is 2 numbers, for example someone I drill balls for has a pap of 4 1/4 inches over, by 5/16 inches up
Drilled my DV8 Captiv8 pin up, really like the controllable reaction for me. Speed Dominant aka REV Challenged player. It plays well in the track in addition to having the versatility to move left. Very similar to the Katana Assualt for me...both outstanding so far in 2023!
I prefer pin up for more general use, and typically use pin down for situations where I have a lot of dry. There are a few houses in my area that are stingy with the oil, so managing how and where your ball uses its energy is more key than it otherwise would be.
Next time you go to get a ball drilled, may I suggest a longer pin layout, and just mention to them you want it to get down the lane really well. Pin down balls typically flare more as this means a shorter pin to pap, which means earlier hook.
@@logantincher7151 Almost all of my pin to PAP distances range between 4.5-6", with the exception of a couple short pin balls. 5" is my norm. I'm a low track bowler, so I need that for the help getting through the heads.
That's not a very good comparison. The pin down ball has a lot higher RG and a lot lower diff. To me, I would reverse the drillings and drilled that one pin up until the other one pin down and then at least you would be close to the same reaction
I’m building a 3 ball bag and I am low rev low speed bowler and wondering if I have a hy road now should I get a reactive and urethane and plastic or reactive and urethane to pair with it
Ball was advertised as light to medium pattern but I don't know that this review really shows what it could do in those situations being pin down and a long pattern? I'm rev dominant too but bowl no thumb so my layouts are always way different. Got mine today and will try it out sunday but reviews for this ball have been hard to find. I'd like to see the other big b staffers throw it some too on some different patterns.
Seen a couple comments about not moving right with the pin down ball and I have to agree here. Most people will not be using this ball pin down from that far left on the fresh. Would have been nice to see you move right and get behind it a little bit.
@@cardinalcopium5088 top of the block is the pin, so if your drilling into the top you’d have to drill the pin out. Shorter pin- pin to pap distance, means not nesecarily more hook, but more flare-> earlier. Also depends on surface of the ball
@@cardinalcopium5088 if I sent you a pic of my pin down short pin phaze 2, and the flare of my iq tour that is pin up, at same surface on same lane, the difference is obvious
@@logantincher7151 the IQ tour has a low flare core in comparison to a phaze 2 which is high flaring. Also the differential in a phaze 2 is over twice as much as an IQ tour.
the dreaded ball review mistake, drilling the ball how most people won't. I hate this, its the first hk22 lower teir ball made, I was so excited, and now this review is useless. This could have been the first hk22 low end great ball review.😐
Most people here don't even do a layout and just drill 3 fingers here. I get a lot of "what's a layout" or "idk it just told the proshop guy to drill it"
