What's The Difference Between A Bowling Ball Drilled Pin Up & Pin Down | Featuring Storm Night Road! 

The only pun down ball I have is the Gem, spesifically bc I want it to be nore versatile. The smoother the ball on the fresh, the easier it will be for me to control, and with it being as early as it is I feel like it's a better move. And then I'm also provably gonna drill a pin down purple hammer

Hey, can one of you guys bowl for me on league? I'd like to win at least one game this year. We don't look alike but I don't know how much they pay attention to me anyway. And lunch is on me afterward.

I'm more speed then revs and a typical lefty.

This may be the first time someone made sense of pin up/pin down--thank you! It's tiring to hear "pin down hooks sooner", "pin up hooks later". Explaining it in terms of Rg and Diff. makes so much more sense! I found it fascinating though, to see that pin down worked better for you as a "balanced" bowler, where revs and speed balanced each other out and neither were dominant over the other, as opposed to Chris, whose higher rev rate and speed, was clearly more suited to a pin up. That would seem to indicate that rev rate affects both Rg and Diff. So check me on this please: Chris' increased ball speed+his loft+ pin down raising Rg= Chris' ball pushed further down the one than he needed it to. Chris' higher rev rate+ pin down lowering Diff., actually made the ball fight his rev rate, and clearly the ball won and even his higher rev rate, didn't give him the back end shape he needed. I'm guessing that because you are more "balanced" in terms of rev and speed, moving left was really all you needed to do, to make the pin down ball work for you. I'm also guessing that a pin down ball might therefore also be a good option for a lower rev or lower speed bowler too. What are your thoughts about this? Last, and here's an idea for a vid on combatting urethane carry down: if pin down raises the Rg but lowers the Diff., would a bowler using a pin down ball, with straighter angles, be able to overcome urethane carry down? I'm thinking that a pin down ball would work with the carry down, rather than fighting it as a pin up ball would. What's your take on that? Thank you

shoulda reset the surfaces on both balls, factory "4k fast" is super inconsistent. the pinup one looked more like 2k, the pin down one looked more like 5k

I also have a pin down Zen. I agree that it hooks much later, but I wouldn't say it hook less for me. Big difference I see is how the ball finishes through the pins. I see much less deflection with the pin down, and I tend to get more pin carry. Love the videos Luis, keep up the good work and positive vibes!

Because the 2 houses I bowl in are drier 4 of my 6 balls are pin down. Shot 265 with a pin down Brunswick Twist. Right tool, right time. Good video!

I'm glad you explained the difference between pin up and pin under correctly to your viewers. A lot of people are confused about that.

fantastic video, with being rev dom old guy and low ball speed, i just had Hustle USA drilled pin down. omg. it is what l needed to get it down the lane

My hyroad x is pin down like your pin down night road . Pin under my middle finger and did 1500-3000-p5000d by hand and it hooks smoother then it did out of box, while my IQ tour solid (my second IQ tour solid while it was number 9 for my dad and is the only one that is drilled pin up the pin on my first IQ tour solid was like my hyroad x but more to the right so it is not under my middle finger) and is at 3000 trucut so it is perfect to ball down to.

OMG Luis, that was the best demo video w/ 2 different styles and explanation on pin up and pin down, I recently had my pro shop drill a ball for me and I didn't tell him what I wanted, he drilled it pin down, my style is like you Luis, I'm almost 60 and never had a ball pin down, I absolutely love it, I wish I had learned pin down years ago, thank you!

Great video! You did a real good job of explaining and displaying the difference between the two. Great spare!

Another great video by Lou. Interesring to me that my pin up ball forces me way left but Lou was playing his pin up much straighter. Since I just started bowling this summer I bought 3 different balls with different drilling. I wanted to see what types of shape the different balls would make. It turns out that my pin up and right is my best ball (229 last week in league). I have one drilled pin up mid and the shape is a bit less aggressive. I also have a pin down Asym and that ball is very round and continuous but being Asym I wonder if I should have drilled it pin up instead.

6:27 Incredible spare Lou! I guess you are a bowler after all. 🤣 Here is one of the simplest and best descriptions I have read on pin down vs. pin up and it seems to agree with what you are trying to teach us: "Pin Down Drilling" This type of drilling has an effect of promoting more total hook and less entry angle. Helpful for: Lower rev players Higher ball speeds Bowling on a heavy oiled or longer length patterns Looking for a more gradual hook "Pin Up Drilling" This type of drilling has an effect of promoting less total hook and more entry angle Helpful for Higher rev players Slower ball speeds Bowling on a lighter oiled or shorter length patterns Looking for a sharper hook

Thank the Lord that someone ACCURATELY explained with pin up/pin down does on this wonderful Sunday! 🙌🏻

This video is a good one. It explains the difference between pin up & pin down in a simplest way.So,many could easily understand. Great job!👍

Such a good vid...with Chris (different styles and different ball reactions)!

Lou. Love all your videos. I was wondering if you could start telling us your feet and eye positions, so that when you move left or right we have a starting point of reference. Thanks again keep the videos coming.

Good video Luis. Our bowling styles are very similar. I have a Dark Code and X-2 from doing the exchanges. After watching this video, I’m considering having my Dark Code drilled pin down. What is your pin down layout on asymmetrical? Thanks

I'm currently bowling with a hammer emerald vibe ball weight a lil under 15lbs. With pin down since it's a asymmetrical ball. And I have a motiv pride with pin down. And I use the new ocean vibe ball pin down. I've bowled good with the emerald and ocean balls lately. My issue is I feel I haven't found the right ball for me. It's so many to choose from. I'm looking at the hammer scorpion sting,stinger, and envy. The motiv mystic jackal and empire. And also roto hustle rap or the wine balls. I'm a left handed bowler. And my rev rate isn't high and my ball speed is usually between 12 to 16mph. Over the last 3 weeks I've bowled several 220 plus games with the ocean and emerald vibe balls. What ball would be a good choice to add to what I already have. I also have a Brunswick prism hybrid and hammer reaper. The reaper I can't find any stats on it. It seems to be a pearl but it's that old of a ball. But at this time my main 3 balls are hammer emerald vibe and ocean and motiv pride ball. I love watching your videos they are so informative. And you have one of the most consistent ball releases I've seen online ever. I've posted some of my scores on my Facebook and on lane talk bowling app. I do have a few practice videos on my RU-vid using both the ocean and emerald vibe balls. Bowled a 264 last Friday with the hammer emerald vibe ball. That's like my highest game since I bowled a 297 a few years ago. And I do think I might get my 1st 300 game this league year with the emerald ball.

Just drilled a pin down Night Road. First roll will be Tuesday 10-3.

Cool video talk tech bowling luis

Most of my balls are pin down...that longer smoother read is really good for my game. Storm Nova; Idol Helios, and Radical Intel Special Edition are about the only pin up in my aresenal.

I have a idol cosmos and an RST x2 pin down, and i placed 5th in a sweeper with my cosmos the day I drilled it!! I use pin down to try and prevent over reaction off of wet/dry shots!

I'm getting a Night Road and all my balls that I have is pin up (don't know the numbers) but I want to try pin down on the Night Road. I'm a stroker with balanced stats. I hope someone can answer me.

It literally looks like this guy snaps his arm out of place on every frame lol his revs are insane

Excellent explanation and demo of the forthcoming Night Road. Much appreciated!

I have a pin down Roto Grip Gem. I'm a senior with low revs and medium speed.

Every pin up ball I’ve drilled goes longer because it puts my pin 5 inches to my PAP. Every ball I drill with pin under puts my pin to PAP 4 to 4.5 inches makes my ball reacted sooner and smoother. So in my experience, this is completely wrong.

Is the ball polished?

Thank you guy’s, it was really helpful 👍🏻

Pin down looks super shiny compared to pin up?

My pin down dv8 ball that I got as my yt picture flares a ton for pin down.

Love the purple diamonds in the engravings

Louis just a tip… pin down realty check… you can thank me later

Very informative, thank you.

I want to drill a pin down Dark Code when I am able to bowl again.

Try a 45x2-3/4 x 30 layout this ball will also have small flares will roll like urethane ( with more back end) and hit like resin

As a high rev player, I definitely prefer stronger drills for being further right and favor pin down or in between pin-up/down when I'm trying to get left of 4th arrow because many balls burn too much energy otherwise.

Luis, what is your opinion on pin down asym bowling balls? My entire arsenal is pin up currently and I just purchased a reality that I’m going to have drilled pin down. My PSO said he doesn’t mix well with pin down equipment for his game, but he has guys who roll exclusively pin down. Just want more opinions is all

Need to get him a mic!

so when I start with a 45 x 4 x30 layout on the fresh when lanes transition and everyone goes left I switch to the 45x2-3/4 x 30 and move a little right away from all the traffic and light them up. Note: both balls are Camo's

Just got a Night Road and had it drilled strong. This is by far the best bowling ball i have purchased this year. Love the look and motion of this ball. Smells great to. I used it in League a day after i drilled it and shot my highest score in league. 266 game high 677 three game series. With handicap the high game was 304. 😁

I seem to match up way better with pin down layouts. Especially pearls. I just get better ball reaction with pin down. I also have lower rev rate.

Very much approved of the different styles and pin up/down. Please do more like these

My PSO drilled my Golden Jackal pin down. Said it would be that different motion I need, and it's a pearl. I absolutely love it

Luis, you're judging the layout on balls that you would normally use on the burn. Could using them on fresh oil skew the results?

PIN DOWN NIGHT ROAD IT IS!

Hey Luis what do you think of having two balls with the same core in the arsenal I have an infinite physix and am thinking of getting a proton. I have a reality but I haven’t really gotten along with it

The RG on this ball is already high, so with it being pin down it’s definitely going to had OD length. Great video

Will the pin down reaction apply regardless of cover stock?

Pin down

Pin down Road balls - the ultimate burn ball?

Motiv Pride pin down... then pride empire pin up

Yes, I will take the explanations given plus the examples of lane play into consideration the next time I bowl. This is why....... So 4 days ago i had an Idol Helios drilled pin down. Side note everything else I have is pin up. Initially I was thinking ahead and had it drilled this way because I wanted a new shape for the challenge patterns in my local winter scratch League or at least when we get to that portion of the league but for now in the bowling I have done with it in the 4 days have been exclusively on house shots.... and "I haven't got a consistent strike path with this lay out yet". I've been rolling it straighter and closer to the gutter than the pin up equipment. but yet to obtain much success...My roll is smooth. Some where in-between you both closer to you Luis slow feet big, swing, lots of balance able to repeat shots. So Thanks for the knowledge I will try to open my angles up with a straighter, forward ball motion in mind and try to see if it sets to the break point properly, for a consistent reaction to maintain higher scores.

So, what's with the shinny ball versus the dull ball. Doesn't that wipe out the validity of the pin location test?

I just heard Beef Stu say he is has never drilled a ball pin down. Luis any educated guess why?

I am a bit confused as every video I have ever seen have said that pin down read the lane earlier and are smoother because some of the energy is bled in the front part of the lane leaving less energy to hook the ball down lane. They say pin up go longer, but snap more because more energy Is stored until the weight block stabilizes and takes over at the end. They say the overall hook is similar, but just in different parts of the lane. When I drill pin down, my ball reads sooner and is smoother than all my pin up equipment...it is why I prefer pin down over pin up. I like the smoother more controllable shape. For me, my pin down hook less than pin up.

Pin down always

Back in the day, people thought pin down rolled sooner and pin up went longer and sharper. How do you explain, the pin up rolled sooner and sharper in the back though, is it the higher diff? Seems counter intuitive. (e.g. Shiny is longer and sharper vs dull, surface is earlier and smoother)