Why Qantas Didn’t Choose The Boeing 777X For Project Sunrise

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Like many things across the aviation industry, Project Sunrise came to a temporary but sudden halt this year. The ultra-long-haul flights were to revolutionize the way we traveled. Before the project was put on hold, Qantas picked a modified version of the Airbus A350-1000 to operate the flights. The alternative option was Boeing’s 777X. In these things, we always hear about the winner. But why didn’t Qantas choose the Boeing 777X for Project Sunrise?
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@tanjiayang3857 3 года назад

The A350 is a really VERY comfortable plane. Big and spacious. Hope Project sunrise doesn't R.I.P

@tanjiayang3857 3 года назад

Also what if Qantas ordered the A330 neo? A330 Neo seems like a good plane to compliment the 787.

@theepicfailgamer6317 3 года назад

Typical Airbus fanboy

@HydroSheep 3 года назад

the epic fail gamer liking something = become fanboy 🤦‍♂️

@petergleeson2664 3 года назад

@@tanjiayang3857 It is possible for them to order this aircraft to replace their current domestic A330 fleet, but there is no indication they will.

@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet 3 года назад

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@brassicaolaraceaolaracea1115 3 года назад

best time of the day for avgeeks: when both Simple Flying and DJ's Aviation post videos...

@tachi2.07 3 года назад

that isn't everyday?

@iamhim985 3 года назад

You mean when Allec and the flight channel👀

@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet 3 года назад

I always hate it when normal people start talking about aviation especially BRIGHT SIDE.

@electric7487 3 года назад

DJ's aviation is a closeted Airbus fanboii, you know that, right?

@kathy8770 2 года назад

@@electric7487 Is there something wrong with liking airbus?

@waynej747 3 года назад

Qantas have said that they also chose the A350 because of its compatibility with the A330. Currently (or at least before the pandemic) the A330 is the aircraft of choice for the airlines flights to Asia, and the airline liked the idea of having crews able to switch between the two types. Also QF have been looking at their short-haul domestic fleet as a refresh is near due. Following the QANTAS Group’s recent order of of some long range A320’s (most likely destined for Jetstar, although they haven’t ruled out using them in the Qantas fleet), there is speculation that QF may be moving towards a majority Airbus fleet for the future. The A220 would also make an excellent replacement for their ageing 717 regional fleet.

@richardchantlerrico 3 года назад

I would love to see QANTAS go an all Airbus fleet, currently I fly Jetstar when doing domestic to avoid the Boeing 737.

@magnustan841 2 года назад

@@richardchantlerrico Qantas doesn't fly the troubled 737 MAX, they fly the predecessor, the 737 NG.

@damienkramer 2 года назад

I will die a happy man if I can get people to stop describing aircraft as “ageing”.

@stephenjacobs5640 Год назад

@@magnustan841he doesnt care about safety probably just comfort. A320s have wider seats and better positioned windows

@fleemwings207 2 года назад

Boeing's latest delay in the 777X meant that Qantas' decision to order the A350-1000 is absolutely the right decision. It will be easier to transition A380 and A330 pilots to the A350 as they share the same type rating. They just need differential training. As the Qantas fleet evolves in future, it is good that pilot pools don't cause too much of a headache for them.

@ScottRothsroth0616 3 года назад

I have been wondering about this; thanks for the upload.

@s.z.x.01 3 года назад

I’m actually more curious about Qantas’ A350’s seat design, apparently they bringing first class back

@magical_catgirl 3 года назад

The stated goals for Sunrise have always been 4 classes. They currently have first class, but only on the A380s... :/ They've had 12-14 F seats on the 747s and A380s. They'd likely have 4-8 F seats on a sunrise aircraft. What Qantas is missing, is Premium Economy on the A330s.

@nntflow7058 3 года назад

Probably the usual 1-2-1 configurations with some fancy feature.

@arjunkohli2130 3 года назад

What an ambitious project, the Sunrise! I truly appreciate Qantas choosing the A350, the most beautiful jet in the skies of today.

@alainmare8081 3 года назад

45 ton lighter, 13% more fuel efficient, plane concept and construction most modern, no wonder Airbus was chosen. It is today a better plane even though 777 was the best at is time. Time flies like planes !

@darrenwhitfield3320 2 года назад

The A350-1000 takes significantly less payload so you need to compare the figures as fuel used per seat. Also the 777 makes it money by adding another 20 tonnes of cargo into the belly, meaning a much more profitable aircraft overall. Theres a reason why most of the international carriers have many 777's.

@12345anton6789 2 года назад

@@darrenwhitfield3320 The 777x-9 has only 5 tons more payload compared to the A350-1000, all that extra payload is eaten up by the extra pax. When you really compare numbers, what about the extra 30 tons in the airframe on the 777x

@ethanmendez9885 3 года назад

Good luck on hitting 100k!

@crimsonsnow2469 3 года назад

Wait is this a compliment or a hate Comment. I'm Confused

@Ananth8193 3 года назад

I am sure Qantas has correctly chosen Airbus A 350-1000 for its project sunrise and i think they will surely stick to this..👍👍 Nice video

@MsJubjubbird 3 года назад

I think the issue is that they are going to be bleeding money this year and next year. And there will be no need for such a plane until the end of 2021 at the earliest. So they may scrap the whole thing altogether.

@andrewpitt7742 3 года назад

Unfortunately you could be right especially if covid stays with us that is a real possibility. They have just sponsoring Australian rugby union national team plus the thousands of jobs that have gone... very sad

@kennedyxhulu4933 2 года назад

And they just did

@peteregan3862 3 года назад

Qantas will stick with its decision - the issue is how many seats can it sell. It chose the smaller plane because it doubted it could fill the 777X. Covid has not improved the likelihood. The risk of not filling the 777X does is more costly than the risk of leaving passengers behind due to lack of seats.

@steinwaldmadchen 3 года назад

No, larger 779 is not capable to fly even PER-LHR. It would be 778 to do the flying, and it’s almost as large as 35K. But the problem is 778 efficiency would be horrible compared to the more modern 35K.

@electric7487 3 года назад

@@steinwaldmadchen Whether or not the 778's efficiency is horrible or fantastic is still unknown, because it hasn't even flown yet. Qantas picked the A35K because it's already available. Also, the 779 is too big for this route.

@steinwaldmadchen 3 года назад

@@electric7487 But the fuel burn of a 77W is known, and A350's advantage is ~25%. GE9X would bring ~10% improvement over GE90, while wings and aerodynamic tweaks minus weight penalty a few more. That's still a 10ish gap, which 779 matched by stretching the frame, therefore lower per capita figure. If everything go right that could put 779 ahead of A350 (which is difficult imo), but not 778. Meanwhile, sharing the same wing, engine and MTOW, meaning 779 would never replicate 778's payload-range capability, as the former is heavier, burns more, carry less fuel at MTOW and therefore can’t fly that far.

@williamerazo3921 2 года назад

Covid is not going to last forever

@gasviation9077 2 года назад

@@williamerazo3921 it's gonna stick for a while

@jasonyau326 3 года назад

You should do a video why Qantas never ordered the 777 despite being consulted with like the other airlines who did order the 777

@Lintary 3 года назад

I doubt there will be an better option in 4-5 years, the A350 and 777X will be around for a while and likely just see upgrades to their design at best. Both Airbus and Boeing will have put development on a low fire as they too struggle badly and will need years to recover.

@annndukumutua833 3 года назад

I would like to fly project sunrise soon but a very fascinating video

@smeijer2 2 года назад

Got the go ahead today!

@dreamingfoxtrot 2 года назад

I agree that Qantas chose the A350-1000. Mainly because due to certain circumstances that is happening right now, Qantas would use a lot, but less capacity for long range flights.

@ronaldcuieii4775 2 года назад

Well, like I always say, Airbus knows what it's doing.

@steinwaldmadchen 3 года назад

Or make it this way, unless A350-1000 can’t make it, 777-8 simply have no chance winning that. Flying a significantly less efficient airframe, on some of the longest route in the history, sounds like a bad idea.

@magical_catgirl 3 года назад

Qantas hasn't made an order for this yet. They haven't even signed an MOU or Letter of Intent. All they've done is said they'd take the Airbus, they haven't actually done anything beyond say they would.

@sulil1938 3 года назад

Best comment on here! They've said they're still exploring their options so who knows which one they'll go for. This pandemic was a blessing to Boeing in regards to the 777-8.

@Daniel-rx1dv 2 года назад

@@sulil1938 LOL no it's not, its even worse for them, the 77X are massive planes and filling them up with such a long route is hard, with covid filling planes is now even harder. Even after the pandemic they will probably choose the a350.

@faizierazali3494 2 года назад

They probably choose a350 for less training cost and far cheaper than b777x(its 2nd most expensive aircraft ever)

@jhmcd2 3 года назад

Your assessment is flipped. The reason why the A350 won was because Airbus was giving them about 75% off for the aircraft. (not to mention they didn't even require them to sign off on the plane) About a week before they made their decision, Qantas said they had a winner, but they wanted the price to come down. When they made the announcement, they had indicated that they had flipped choices. According to one of your own videos, the 777X is pretty pricey, at somewhere in the $400 million range, were the A350 is in the upper $300 millions range at list prices. If anything, the 777 has the better track record and is more fuel efficient that the A350 because it can pull off these routes at full capacity with no need for an optional tank. But, in a bit of irony, it was probably also the fact that Qantas made it clear they wanted the 777-8 not the -9 which could make the flight at MTOW, but that option is indefinitely delayed.

@chrismckellar9350 3 года назад

Boeing wanted Qantas to be the launch customer of the B777-8 and Airbus wants Qantas to be the launch customer of the A350-1000 'extended range' and offered a better financial package of future A350, A320neo/A321nel/xlr and A220 and 'buy back of the two A330 fleets and A380 fleet.

@jhmcd2 3 года назад

@@chrismckellar9350 Yeah, Airbus has been doing a lot of those deals, however right before the Pandemic the legality of these deals came into question because they were using unfair grants and zero and negative interest loans given to them by the EU. They weren't even trying to hide that fact anymore. With the Pandemic, I wonder if the EU will be able to back these. However, from an airline's point of view, it would probably be like getting at least two planes for free.

@nntflow7058 3 года назад

@@jhmcd2 It's similar to what happen with Hawaiian and their A330-800neo and Boeing's heavy discount for their B787. B777X doesn't have any track record yet, since it's brand new. A350-900, A350-900ULR and A350-1000 have few years of a great track record. There are tons of modifications boeing had done to B777X., from engines, wings, cockpit, higher percentages of composite materials used on the production and thinner fuselage thickness. It would be quite different compared to the first-gen B777. So I wouldn't use first-gen B777 reliability for comparisons.

@jhmcd2 Год назад

@Roger Actually, according the Reuters they were giving them 75% off the aircraft. In fact, Qantas even stated that it was the fact that Boeing didn't want to meet this which was their final factor in choosing the Airbus. Also, I've flown Airbus and Boeing jets back to back, the 777 and an A380, the 737 and the A320, and the A320 and the 777 and 747. In each case, the Boeing jets were actually quieter, including the A380. Ride quality is irrelevant because that depends on weather, but then again I would expect someone with a brain to know that, and they are not more efficient. Traditionally speaking, Airbus jets have fewer seats in their seize class versus their Boeing counterparts. On the surface, Airbus jets are about 10% more efficient in certain cases (and I mean certain), however, when you break it down to a per seat basis Boeing jets are nearly always more efficient, usually as much as 15%.

@jhmcd2 Год назад

@Roger Hate to see which Airforce you flew with. I am a commercial pilot, I'm in these things all the time. I do not know about the a350, haven't been in one yet, but I have been in an A380 and a 777 back to back and, there isn't much of a difference. As for the 320...nope, and I can prove it. I was trying to do a full flight video on my last trip before the pandemic and flew on a 737 and a A320 back to back. The 320 was far louder and it is audible on film. As for ride comfort, there are some systems and wing designs that can yield a more comfortable ride, but Boeing traditionally uses those not Airbus. Things like gull wings, winglets and some automated features help ride, but overall, it's still up to the weather. So...your argument is dead...so stop bothering me.

@Tomcatters 3 года назад

Until today i think it was an error Boeing make B777x full carbon body like B787 and A350. Perhaps in the future, they can do a ER/LR version of B777-9 full carbon?

@jakepalmer1986 3 года назад

The 777x’s fuselage is aluminium only the wings are carbon

@hibikismusic3103 2 года назад

I would rather like Boeing to make a ER/LR version of the B787-10 tbf... But a full carbon B777-9 would be very nice

@Sacto1654 3 года назад

Even then, Qantas would require Airbus to add a lot more fuel tanks, uprate the engines, and limit the passenger load to no more than 260 passengers in Business and Premium Economy class. It would still be a highly specialized A350XWB-1000.

@chingweixion621 3 года назад

That is not what airbus offered. But we'll only know when Qantas signs the deal and starts the first flight

@chrismckellar9350 3 года назад

@@chingweixion621 - Yes they did which is dubbed the A350-1000 'extended range' to compete with the B777-8. Airbus wants Qantas to be the launch customer for the A350-1000 'extended range'. You have mention in previous comments that Qatar would probably be interested in the type if Qantas become the launch customer of the A350-1000 'extended range'.

@chingweixion621 3 года назад

@@chrismckellar9350 the A350-1000ULR is merely an increase MTOW of the current stock aircraft. I do not recall it has any additional fuel tanks and uprated engines. Qantas has also been clear that neither aircraft offered by airbus and boeing has the ability to meet the 300pax in 4 class configuration. The current 4 operators of the A350-1000 (CX, BA and Virgin) seats between 331-335pax in 3 class. Only Qatar Airways seats 327pax in 2 class. So I'm not certain if both aircraft falling short of the 300pax in 4 class requirements are purely due to load limitations or a combination of load and configuration limits. But one thing for certain is that with Qatar considering downsizing their B777X orders and dropping the B777-8, the increased MTOW on the A350 1000 will definitely be on the radar for Qatar Airways.

@chrismckellar9350 3 года назад

@@chingweixion621 - The A350 that is being offered to Qantas is an 'extended range' with an extra fuel and refinements to the fuselage to increase fuel efficiency. I don't think Qantas will go for a 4 class despit the noise from Allen Joyce but will have a 3 class configuration - business, premium economy and economy like their B789s

@travelbugjay4300 3 года назад

Were the options for project sunrise the A350-1000ULR and the 777-8? Im a big fan of the 777-9, however I don't see the -8 selling well. It may suffer the same fate the 777-200LR or the A340-500. The few airlines that will operate these Ultra long routes will opt for lighter, more efficient, less expensive aircraft.

@steinwaldmadchen 3 года назад

The only reason you need a 778 is for the extra bit of thrust and payload, as per se ME3 and potentially Ethiopian. 350s are not bad, but 778 is better.

@travelbugjay4300 3 года назад

@@steinwaldmadchen from the airline perspective if you have an aircraft option that can meet the pax demand on said route, operate more efficiently, use less fuel, pay less in landing fees (per a/c weight), ect., would you not take it? The primary focus and selling point of the 777-8 is its' range capability. But the smaller 787-9 and the A350-900ULR can satisfy the pax demand for most of these Ultra long haul routes and do it for cheaper.

@wil8115 3 года назад

yet to be seen though. as the 778 #s are still just on paper. actual #s can and have been better than expected. (ie 787 airlines with higher single-digit percentage savings over projections)

@steinwaldmadchen 3 года назад

@@travelbugjay4300 You should have aware that most airlines I mentioned as future/potential 778 customers have 1 thing in common - their home airports are hot and high. That is, performance of any frame would be lower than cooler places, and potentially making even 787 or A350 insufficient. For the same reason, South African is not totally wrong in purchasing 346 (though most agree they should ditch them when A350 arrived), and Delta kept their 77Ls for some time instead of replacing them with 359, at least before COVID19.

@steinwaldmadchen 3 года назад

@@wil8115 So does A350, sans the overweight, initial teething issues and quality concern. Back to 777X. 35K is having an edge of ~18t lighter and 25% more efficient than 77W, while GE9X and new wings combined are expected to improve efficiency by only 10ish. While 779 managed to match 35K by seating more passengers (thus pushing the per seat difference), that is impossible for 778 to even come close.

@thestupidguy806 3 года назад

I would like the a350 in the fleet cause I wanna fly it and I wanna be a qantas pilot kinda matches if qantas changes it I would be so bummed but then if opt for the 787

@akshatpandey4788 3 года назад

What about the A359 ULR, they should also check that out..

@unknown69667 3 года назад

The seating capacity is lower, and with it being a prime route they would need to have a plane that can carry a lot. Look at how Singapore has used their ULR to the US. Though both connecting financial hubs it still has shown to not be the best in terms of financial return...

@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet 3 года назад

Good luck to Qantas. Last month, I've heard news about the RR engine cracks and they said that is reliable.

@jakepalmer1986 3 года назад

Art Vlom yep it’s effecting the older A350’s now and will affect the newer ones in the coming years too

@Blank00 3 года назад

And I remember that the RR engines was one of the first things Qantas has praised about the A350 when they chose the A350. It's as if Rolls Royce was bribing Qantas to praise the engine above all else of the A350. RR may have also bribed Norwegian Airlines so that RR can get unscathed when Norwegian sued Boeing for Trent 1000 engine issues.

@arebus445 Год назад

why qantas not pick a350-900ulr instead of a350-1000. The ultra long range one can fly far further just like singapore airlines do for singapore to new york route

@peterwaugh9416 3 года назад

As a passenger, a direct flight to London does not appeal at all, so the type of aircraft used is irrelevant to me. Business flyers might have a different opinion but I am retired and fly for pleasure. I actually try to pick new layover stops to throw in a new destination to visit. The next bucket list destination is the new airport in Turkey. Not a QANTAS destination I know but a One World partner airline does, so when the pandemic is over thas where my next overnight layover will be.

@richardyiphk 3 года назад

Please notice, Qantas did not operate any B777 at all!!! While almost all major airlines did operate the B777

@chrismckellar9350 3 года назад

Boeing wanted Qantas to be the launch customer for the B777-8 hence a good financial package. Airbus wants Qantas to be the launch customer for the A350-1000 'extended range' but gave a better financial package in regards to future A350's, A320neo and A321neo/xlr and possibility the A220's orders which could replace aging B737-800NGs and B717s fleets and 'buy back on the A330-200/A330-300 fleets and the A380 fleet.

@steinwaldmadchen 3 года назад

That’s an equally big change Boeing offering damn cheap MAX to Qantas, desperately needing some blue chip carriers to board. Otherwise Airbus orders make sense.

@robthatsme9831 3 года назад

Excellent attention to detail 👍 plus, Boeing have proven to be less than reputable in recent revelations.

@fiercedevil6955 3 года назад

I remember that one time Qantas ordered A330s instead of the 777 and people slaughtered that decision.

@tpplatfzft 3 года назад

Just dodged the 10 across Economy and 2-3-2 Business configurations. Phew!

@johnchristmas7522 Год назад

There's always the possibility that Airbus could introduce a A350-1000 NEO with the new RR Ultra Engines, which would be extremely fuel efficient and give any power requirement.

@MAISTAAAA 2 года назад

A350 now is on fire with the airlines

@sethtan715 3 года назад

Yes!!!!! They should keep the A350-1000

@stradivarioushardhiantz5179 3 года назад

Curious about the first class suites would be decked out on the upcoming Qantas A350-1000

@thestupidguy806 3 года назад

Saame

@theskyline1425 3 года назад

Who else is excited about finding out the next 777X customer? And also I hear Qantas hasn't officially placed the order for the A350. Is it true?

@thestupidguy806 3 года назад

Yeah I'm pretty sure that is tru

@sujin_seb 3 года назад

Actually Covid helps 777x project as airlines are in not rush for the delivery now. Demand for the wide body aircraft has been massively decreased. Mean time Boeing can solve all the problems around and get more customers later as most of them retiring the a380s and 747s. Even Boeing could get Qantas as their customer.

@jhmcd2 3 года назад

Actually, he just said it, they never signed the papers to buy the jet. They could (and probably will) rerun the contest.

@chrismckellar9350 3 года назад

@@thestupidguy806 - Currently, Project Sunrise is hold until end of 2020/early 2021. Airbus has reluctantly agreed to an extent the order option to 2021.

@davidoldham7476 3 года назад

@@chrismckellar9350 as if Airbus really had a choice.....don't alienate a potential customer of a few dollars/Euros.

@KyoushaPumpItUp 3 года назад

I wonder how the A360 will look like

@FSHVTAGMMY 3 года назад

i hope it will rival the 757

@tanjiayang3857 3 года назад

Really doubt that Airbus would come up with an A360. They have the whole product line from the A220, A320 family, A330 neo and A350. I don't really think that Airbus or Boeing would come up with another Jumbo Jet.

@9999AWC 3 года назад

@@FSHVTAGMMY That's already taken care of by the A321NEO, LR and XLR

@davidtjahjadi5079 3 года назад

A350-1000 has a range of 16000km, similar to the 777-8x, but choosing the Boeing meant that project sunrise will be delayed at least 2 years....

@faizierazali3494 2 года назад

Amd its ulr version with 9000Km additional

@davidtjahjadi5079 2 года назад

@@faizierazali3494 I think the A350-900ULR is too passenger limited for Qantas. Qantas wants 300 passengers aircraft for the Project Sunrise....

@faizierazali3494 2 года назад

@@davidtjahjadi5079 its a350k ulr ... They making the a350k ulr

@davidtjahjadi5079 2 года назад

@@faizierazali3494 yup.... A350 is a fine aircraft.....

@Hero87 2 года назад

The 777X isn't a composite plane so doesn't that mean the cabin pressure is different to the A350 similar to the 787. After a long flight you would arrive feeling much better in a cabin that has a lower altitude pressure.

@tjr4459 3 года назад

Singapore Airlines was already using the A350 on the longest route in the world, Singapore to New York. The A350 had already proven itself.

@areaga1 3 года назад

congrats to Airbus !

@ads086 3 года назад

Qantas currently operates 787s, so differences training to the 777 is probably reasonable enough. However the 787 currently operates their 12hr+ flights. They also operate A330s on flights up to 10hrs or so. These pilots can be up-skilled to the A350 in a similarly short time period. However, one of the components of the Project Sunrise package was an agreement with the pilots unions for such long journeys. With the Boeing crew already flying those long missions, tacking on an extra 2hrs doesn't seem like you'd need much of an agreement change. For the Airbus crews on the A330s, taking a 10hr flight shift up to a 18hr flight shift would need some negotiations. They also have A380 in the fleet mix, so there's probably a larger pool of potential pilots available for training than Boeing pilots in their ranks. This would most definitely play a factor in their decision making.

@NoRegertsHere 3 года назад

Adam Kellehear the Pilot deal was signed. Compared to the new 787 deal signed a few years earlier, it’s 20% more work for 5% more pay. Compared to what the 380 contract would’ve paid, it’s 25% more work for about 30% less pay. Edit: illegal worldwide to do the length of shift required for the flying, so lots of work was done there too. That’s not a pilot association thing, that’s a government department thing.

@garyhughes9649 3 года назад

Adam the one thing I notice with the points you made is I don't see a380s flying much longer as their operating cost per hour is very very high and almost comprable twinjets are doing the a380s job much much cheaper someone last hordes of people suddenly want to make that Journey then the A380 I think we'll quit fairly soon the 747 might last a little longer well the freight version wheel but the passenger version is a little cheaper than the A380 so the 747 life might be a little longer than the A380 but that's speculation there's a lot up in the air right now no pun intended.

@the_singingavgeek3433 3 года назад

I don't see why Qantas couldn't just order both. So then they could retire their aging A330's with the A350's and train the A330 pilots on the new Airbus. And the airline could just train some ex-747 pilots for the 777 so the airline would not have to outsource pilots from other countries like they were planning on doing.

@lachd2261 2 года назад

A330s are used on some domestic routes in Australia where the A350 wouldn't be cost efficient. Qantas will either order the A330neo to replace the A330ceos or they'll have a look at the Boeing NMA when it finally arrives.

@naturallyherb 3 года назад

It's because the A350-1000 is more efficient and uses less fuel. Simple as that.

@REIBODERA 3 года назад

This is a Very Big lie from Airbus

@steinwaldmadchen 3 года назад

@@REIBODERA If 777X can match A350 head-to-head, the base model would be 778, not 779.

@chrisrad79 3 года назад

ShangTsung Baiano how is it a lie? A350 is substantially lighter, uses less fuel and has a lower cost per seat mile. The facts and data are all available

@REIBODERA 3 года назад

@@chrisrad79 FAKE

@chrisrad79 3 года назад

ShangTsung Baiano no sorry it’s not. You are wrong

@nick_koh Год назад

Fast forward 2 years... Yup. They went with Airbus 😊

@HiSteOfMnd 3 года назад

Any chance AB gave Quantas a big discount 🤔

@VexifyGaming 3 года назад

@yanihat2369 3 года назад

How about the A350-900LR?

@nntflow7058 3 года назад

Too small?

@markellsworth4194 3 года назад

There is a fundamental flaw in logic here. The Boeing 777-9 is the WRONG airplane to consider against the A350-1000. Project Sunrise ISNT about the kind of capacity the -9 offers, but range and fuel economy which the in-limbo -8 model does in spades. Capacity-wise the A350-1000 and 777-8 are similar. The weight advantage, less for of the longer, skinner, lighter A350-1000, will be hard to pass up. To take the cake, Boeing needs an all-carbon fuselage, still lacking. In doubt, we may never see the 777-8. What might be interesting is a 787-11 with most of the 777 wing as a better, lighter match against the A350-1000.

@soccerguy2433 Год назад

meanwhile the 777X isn't certified yet by the end of 2022

@SabitTSDM07 3 года назад

I would feel much happier if A330NEO could be the direct competitor to the B777X

@travelbugjay4300 3 года назад

The A330-300/ 900neo competes with the 787-9 and even the older 777-200ER/LR. Similar pax capacity, similar in size. Much bigger difference in range capabilities, but all could be used interchangeably on a high demand routes such as ORD-LHR.

@electric7487 3 года назад

Totally different markets. 777X A350, A330neo 787.

@astroboy166 3 года назад

The livery is wrong on both aircraft at the beginning of the video.

@jakepalmer1986 3 года назад

How is it wrong?

@astroboy166 3 года назад

@@jakepalmer1986 the tail of the new livery does not have the small paw. What is shown on the video is a blend between the new and the previous livery.

@jakepalmer1986 3 года назад

Simon Ansell ah yes I see what you mean

@rafaelwilks Год назад

The B777-8X has a really long range, it would be a great choice

@allxpxpxpCo Год назад

Hhhhhhh only 50 nm bigger than a350

@abbaszakir1551 3 года назад

Why not B787 Dreamliner?

@Blank00 3 года назад

The first major delay for the 777x was because GE discovered a problem in their own product and had to recall the GE product. Can't blame Boeing for that.

@wil8115 3 года назад

yep, they recalled all 8 test engines, fixed them, and now all 4 test APs are flying. FAA just certified the GE9X, completing 5k hours and 8k cycles.

@jakepalmer1986 3 года назад

The plane itself is the same proven frame of the original 777, the engines and wings are new, with the wings being similar to the 787 which hasn’t had any issues

@garyhughes9649 3 года назад

The genx engine is massive and with new or revolutionary jet engines and airplanes there usually are teething problems that have to be worked out and it sounds like they have the cracking turbine problem solved which I think was the main problem it is one hell of a strong engine and massive for a jet engine right around 13 ft in diameter I think

@bskpbb1850 3 года назад

If I have an airline this will be my requirements 20,000 km range 200 seats That's only and there's the B777X private Maximum range:21,000

@alooga555 2 года назад

I don't know about being stuck in a metal tube for nearly 20 hours.

@Trapperpk 2 года назад

The GE9x engine is Boeing's secret sauce which Airbus will not stap under a A350 wing.

@zenixlo 3 года назад

How is it from an entire minute ago and only like 2 veiws

@twinzch.5055 3 года назад

tbh that airbus spokeperson is kinda wrong comparing the A35K to the -9 like, on the capacity wise both already has a big gap in the middle. same goes for the MTOW, and overall weight & design of the aircrafts. IMO A35K is better compared with 778 instead of 779. 779 is just at bigger league than A35K (747s and A380s)

@CharlieChaplinVideos 3 года назад

Qantas should choose 737Max for project sunset

@osasunaitor 3 года назад

737MAX? Well, that's a very *_down to earth_* idea

@electric7487 3 года назад

_Grabs popcorn_

@aviationchannel6204 3 года назад

6 hours later (1/3 of the trip) Oh no, we're out of fuel!

@gasviation9077 2 года назад

@@aviationchannel6204 *REQUESTS MID AIR REFUELING*

@georgeclark598 3 года назад

When Airbus can develop and build an airliner that does what the pilot wants it to do , I will consider flying in their noisy rattle traps . The Hyundai of the sky !! How many passengers have died because the computers went mad . QANTAS still have not worked out what happened to their A330 over West Aussie , when it tried to crash itself and seriously injured so many of the passengers .

@asicdathens 3 года назад

You are obviously very biased. With a flick of a switch flight envelope protections can be turned off in any FBW Airbus

@garyhughes9649 3 года назад

@@VW_Fan you are right about the max it is a midnight back alley abortion they may have got it fixed now I would have preferred a complete redesign of the 737 but bowing was in a rush to catch up. But the regular 737s have been a huge Money Maker for Boeing and quite safe considering there's literally thousands of them flying.

@ProAvgeek 9 месяцев назад

If I was him I would have purchased both

@anotherrandomasian 2 года назад

Why does Qantas kinda focus on providing the longest flights in the world?

@grahambaker6664 2 года назад

QANTAS connects to foreign cities where there is a reasonable amount of business related travel to maximise the passengers in premium classes with higher profit margins. These cities tend to be a long way from Australia and QANTAS often does not have carriage rights to intermediate ports from non-Australian cities. The medium haul, leisure markets are served by Jetstar which is the QANTAS low cost carrier which tries to operate on high passenger volumes with lower cost on shorter routes.

@JA-ui3gg 3 года назад

Boeing has been serving up leftovers, from decades ago, for too long now. Airbus has continued to innovate and done so without anywhere near the fuss and tragedy that has plagued Boeing. The A 350 is technically superior across the board.

@electric7487 3 года назад

It's more like this: the 777-9 is too big, and the 777-8 doesn't even exist yet. The A350-1000 just happens to be the right size for Qantas's needs and is already available.

@garyhughes9649 3 года назад

J A the 747 - 8 is a leftover as you put it and I have not heard of a single one of them having to change a light bulb or a flat tire slight exaggeration but I've never heard of the dash 8 never losing an engine or had any problems there are more left over 747s then there are original ones but it was a big Improvement each time the Triple 7 is pretty much the same on Boeing has sold a bunch of them and those are very safe the Dreamliner has leftovers and I don't think a single one of them has gone down. Airbus Neo series they are leftovers I believe as you call it sometimes they work out okay not the 737 Max I'll give you that that should have been a redesign 10 years prior but it is what it is.

@jamesau4296 3 года назад

Still, neither 35k and 777x selling as 77w being too economical most airlines concentrated their money in 787. I expect airbus should focus more on improving A330neo. USE carbon fibre for A330neo plz!

@jamesau4296 3 года назад

The airlines game is simple, use least variety of jet while filling every possible niche of route. That’s why smaller jet always wins.

@calou0165 3 месяца назад

it's simple qantas chose the A350 because it flies for boeing at the moment you are no longer sure of anything.

@bernaridho 2 года назад

Why Boeing did not offer 777-8? It's spec is ready for long haul, and Boeing can stretch the range.

@gasviation9077 2 года назад

it's delayed 5 years, considering they are building the -9

@arcsolomon6360 3 года назад

i dont know that your smoking but is not the 777-9 that is being considered its the 777-8

@Lee247Jamaica 3 года назад

3 mins 104views

@hardyvee 3 года назад

149 views, 24 likes, and 7 comments im early

@thestupidguy806 3 года назад

Same here lol

@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet 3 года назад

It's because 80% of Simple Flying's subs seems that they doesn't watch their video.

@28piscesguy 3 года назад

The best for me is the A350 ULR for project sunrise.it's already proven by Singapore Airlines.

@patrickpeters2903 2 года назад

The choice must be a source of concern for Boeing. I understand that the Boeing contender was the B777-8. I deeply doubt that it will ever fly. With the fall down of traffic in the wide body market, Boeing is facing a lack of demand for the B777X. The cargo version will certainly be the second plane to be launched after the B777-9. Airbus won't make any profit from that project but it will be prestigious to fly for Qantas. Another blow for Boeing. The future is not so bright anymore for the US plane maker...

@jeremydee5424 3 года назад

So airbus added an extra fuel tank to help with range...umm...isn’t that what Boeing did to the original T7 to make it the T7LR?? I don’t get it...when Boeing already had a product...

@ph89787 3 года назад

And the Boeing 747-400.

@tribalexpat1766 3 года назад

Very much prefer the Airubus than Boeing based on experience

@vishakpj6668 3 года назад

A350 is the Best💙💙💙💙💙

@bravodelta4555 3 года назад

Boeing 777x is one of best jets in aviation history🙏💪💪💪

@ClickNBuild 3 года назад

Hasn’t even flown yet lol

@chrismckellar9350 3 года назад

How do you know? It is still a drawing board design.

@Perich29 3 года назад

Qantas should try Airbus A321xlr for project Sunrise.

@andymacmac9151 3 года назад

I take it you have no idea what an Airbus A321xlr and Project Sunrise are? Why would Quantas buy a plane that would need to stop and refuel 3 times for their non stop service?

@williamhaynes7089 3 года назад

@@andymacmac9151 maybe Perich believes they have refueling in the air?

@garyhughes9649 3 года назад

@@andymacmac9151 LMAO that's your reply at your reply to Perich.

@garyhughes9649 3 года назад

@@williamhaynes7089 LMAO at your reply to Perich

@Oregon696969 3 года назад

Watch for Project Sunrise to launch in....2029.

@avuazahc1966 3 года назад

Truth is A350 has proven to be a reliable horse unlike 777X which is still yet to experience its teething problems and Qantas is clearly not prepared to wait for nitty-gritty issues to be ironed out with its fleet. who knows if MCAS won't do its weird things of 777X with those insanity huge engines

@electric7487 3 года назад

The 777X does not have MCAS. The GE9X engine issues are GE's fault. The ultimate load test that Boeing did involved loads far higher than what the plane will ever experience, assuming competent pilots.

@garyhughes9649 3 года назад

@@electric7487 very good points the triple 7X is so long it would take more than two big engines to mess up the center of gravity. And I think the problems with the Gen X engine are almost ironed out if they are not completely ironed out by now. And I'm quite sure you're correct also in that there is no MCAS Triple 7

@matthewmanners8248 2 года назад

Project sunrise will take off with the A350 before the 777x even gets certified now it’s facing delays into 2025

@travelcaribbean2009 Год назад

2 years later, Qantas was smart for picking the A350 😂😂😂

@allxpxpxpCo Год назад

Very smart

@JustinLHopkins 3 года назад

Too bad. The Qantas livery would look much better on the 777x.

@NeilPrasad_1905 3 года назад

Yes. The A350-1000 makes more sense than the 777X

@sanwaydsouza6482 3 года назад

No, I still think Qantas will stick with the A350 for Project Sunrise, besides it doesn't look like the 777X will be ready anytime soon anyway.

@sanwaydsouza6482 3 года назад

Carlos Bautista yes but no one could predict the current aviation downturn back then

@chrismckellar9350 3 года назад

@Carlos Bautista - They are expensive for a rehash airframe design compared to a cheaper clean sheet airframe design.

@tba3900 2 года назад

Boeing has lost the plot in the last 5 years. Their merge with McDonnell Douglas is where Boeing ceased to be Boeing aircraft manufacturer and concentrated on Boeing stock dividends to shareholders.

@andymacmac9151 3 года назад

It’s not necessarily the best plane that won, more likely Airbus offered the best overall Package.

@indranilchakrabarty4196 3 года назад

Political pressure from the Euros. Boeing couldnt care less if it lost an.order for 25 planes. GET OUTTA HERE

@itsnaveenn 3 года назад

306th

@lardyify 2 года назад

Ask Qatar Airways what they think of the A350. And Qantas wants to operate the thing on 20 hour flights.

@gasviation9077 2 года назад

considering qantas is in the same alliance as qatar, they had the balls to order the a350.

@aadarshsavaikar4337 3 года назад

Qantas will most probably go with the A350-1000 but however, if like the A380 incident if the engine were to fail, Qantas could cancel the order.

@markbph2336 3 года назад

the a350 nor the 777x were both never the best choice. a lengthened..... extra long range 787 would have been the best choice. it gives the qantas airlines group flexibility being a smaller aircraft in case fuel prices rise and the sydney london/new york long range flights lose their viability.

@gasviation9077 2 года назад

the 3 3 3 configuration on the 787 is the worst choice because the 2 4 2 on the 787 is too wide but 3 3 3 is too cramped, its just an awkward aircraft. the 2 4 2 on the a330 was perfect because it is smaller and the 3 4 3 on the 777 is better because it is less cramped than the old 2 5 2

@gordonleumear8120 2 года назад

its def because boeing 777x is an older aircraft i doubt it will sell as well as boeing hopes it will end up like the a330neo the future is a350 and 787 the a330 and 777 are no longer the top planes and 777x is just another example of boeing trying to engineering a dying aircraft model.

@user-rc9qi6yp6k 3 года назад

45times lighter? How's that possible, balance me please...

@mariusdufour9186 3 года назад

I'm wondering whether it's not 45 tonnes lighter? That would make more sense...

@user-rc9qi6yp6k 3 года назад

@@mariusdufour9186 thaat would make 45 times more sense

@nntflow7058 3 года назад

Yeah tones. It's the accent.

@JamesPetrycia-zj7yq 3 года назад

How much did EU discounts given to Qantas. It has to do with MONEY!

@zapszapper9105 3 года назад

You have to fill de plane,

@KingTriton1837 3 года назад

I think they will purchase some 777X jets in the future.

@user-cb3gi9es3l Месяц назад

Delta will also not order 777X.

@averagejoe9249 3 года назад

Should have made the a380 the choice for project sunrise. The entire upper deck would be one large fuel tank, 100k miles of range. Enough to make nine or ten round trips without refueling.

@jakepalmer1986 3 года назад

Average Joe lol, 9 or 10 trips around the globe haha, don’t think the plane would actually be able to fly though, or even hold the fuel up there without collapsing