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Makes economic sense when you no longer live with your parents and are just starting out in life, to share accomodation and all the expenses that go with it. A lot of young people rent grotty one bedroom flats when they could do much better if they shared with a couple of friends. Of course it isn't always possible to find friends who are reliable and not a pain in the ass to live with.
For the same reason James Stewart and Henry Fonda lived together because they were single. Even in the 1960s single men and women didn't live together that's why in I dream of Jeanie tv show Tony had to keep Jeanie hidden away when he ad visitors.
Copy of my comment, (the Sociological History, from my degreed studies and research.) Apply to the Now media articles and it gives the greater understanding of the then. Copy: *The actual HISTORY and Sexual Perspective Defined:* ▶ "Knowledge is truly Power and abundantly Freeing" *Their era offered a fully different value of perspective and understanding. In knowing History, European and Mediterranean History and Culture, the concept understanding includes a Sexual Perspective. *▶Note:* During the 1920's the the "Power of Media as a "Tool for various Propagandas" was realized by and for the "Powerful Few", i.e., 1% of 1%, (Print Media had clarified this, but the Radio, then TV, took it to a whole other level".) *▶Point:* This made the changes to the Information known by the Public, prior to WWII and Post WWII, "the following Eras thru Current Era have a Collective Mainstream Awareness based on the 1950's Picture of Life, from the Produced Films and TV Shows. Recommended Watch: "The Century of the Self" *valuable information* Prior to this, in the era of the Golden Hollywood Actors, the Carey Grant, Randolph Scott, Tyrone Powers, Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda era, there was a more "Euro-Mediterranean Concept" that the affluent had an opportunity to adapt and it included a Sexual Concept that very much, like the Greeks held back to Antiquity, was a Conception of Sex and Sexual Identity as 2 separate and independent subjects. *This meaning:* Sex was or could be viewed from a perspective of it as an option to partake in from an almost "sports like" perspective. Totally absent of emotions, one that's easily seen as the "male perspective" all the way through. Yet then it included Feline/Feline and Male/Male, like a Tennis Match, even to the point of "Mixed Doubles", no pun intended. Men throughout History, depending on Culture, would partake in male to male sexual acts, and it very much was a result of the "Male Libido and Lack of Females" with which to "Sport". *▶Note: in the Western Era the Brothels were called "Sporting Houses"* Social Standards in Male Dominated Societies of this World have deemed a Woman "de-flowered" should she partake in other than marital sex. This left men few women with which to "Sport", and their drive/need having such a strong focus, they established a reasonable secondary option. Thus I'm saying, when in the 20th Century, Opportunity presented itself through Film Careers, Stardom, Financial Abundance - the "Time and Opportunity" to "Sport", but the Risk of Female's: pregnancies, law suits, Media, and generally the "tired of the Drama Game of Hollywood and Nightclubs", they opted for "the Mediterranean Method", and the subject of Homosexual had a completely distinctly different definition, and that being the individual preference for male only, with the emotional attachments and the Physical Predisposition of, the "Physiology of Homosexual" if you will, that was the key and true defining difference. One being purely a sporting physical act and the other having the Emotional and Self Identifying Perspective. It was actually a far more realistic and mature minded concept and perspective than what became the "norm of Western Thought", a really Ego/Lower Minded and judgemental perspective. (Far less abuse and date--rapes would accumulate with the "Mediterranean Sexual Mentality") Women in their era were Socialized to be far more dramatic and needy, creating a far greater resistance to giving them opportunities and getting involved in the "dating scene" History with Facts ...
@@savannahsputnik1663 Some of the comments here are ridiculous. They're coming from straight people who don't want to bring themselves to believe that Cary Grant and Randolph Scott were boyfriends. The best comment here is the one about it probably being an "economic necessity" for them to live together, lol! Both of these actors were making astronomical sums of money in Hollywood at the time...
I lived with my friend for almost seven years before his death. We lived together because we were poor and in our 20's. He was also my best friend. We had no romantic feelings for each other, but he was an important person in my life. I don't know why everyone always want to label two men who care about each other as homosexual. There is more to life than sex people.
Whatever takes place within the confines of a home between two consenting adults may be of interest to inquiring minds, however, it’s confidential. Cary Grant was an icon and a treasure. His speculative sexual orientation was of no consequence to his brilliant acting career.
No matter their living arrangements, both were fine actors. They were fortunate, to have had such a long lasting friendship - longer I will add, than most friendships, or marriages - then or now.
As a kid I loved their movies. Randolph Scott always played the good guy. You knew you could trust him. Cary Grant was hilariously funny. He made it look effortless and you knew no matter what happened his character was going to do the right thing. They both seemed to be liked in their lives outside movies and both contributed to their communities. It's clear they enjoyed each others company. If it was or wasn't more than that, good for them!
"Randolph Scott always played the good guy." Perhaps almost always. But not always. He played the baddie against John Wayne in Pittsburgh, and The Spoilers, In Ride the High Country, He srarted off as a baddie, but Joel Mcrea made him see the error of his ways.
@@melianna999 What bothers me about this comment is that everyone wants to put people in a box. There are other options rather than gay and straight. There are bisexual people. I've met them and they can have a fulfilling relationship with either sex.
I had the pleasure of meeting Cary Grant in the early '80s. He was very charming. His body of brilliant cinematic performances is unparalleled. A true treasure. I couldn't care less whom he loved. Great guy.
@@davegreene8588 He did too many comedies. They never win the Oscar due to all those hollywood hacks holding out for la-dee-dah "Artistic Achievement."
In 1974 I was working at a big hotel in Denver as a room service waiter. Randolph Scott entered the restaurant and I got a look at him. I served Lucille Ball, Davey Jones and a few other actors. When I saw Randolph Scott, I was really impressed. HE LOOKED like a movie star. Tall, very well dressed and smiling. ALL the women around him were GaGa. And at the time he was an older man at least in his 60's. He had it.
I haven't seen most of Randolph Scott's movies, but his last film, Peckinpah's "Ride The High Country", is one of the all-time best westerns I have ever seen, bar none.
After reading several biographies of Cary Grant, including the most recent one, there's little doubt in my mind that Grant was what is now sometimes called "fluid". I don't care whether he was straight, gay, or bi. He's my all-time favorite actor. Some actors are great at drama, some great at comedy, and a few can comfortably tackle both...perhaps none as successfully as Cary Grant.
Cary Grant and his impressive body of work are world treasures. I don't care what his sexuality was. The man was incredibly talented and funny, on top of being one of the best looking men on the planet. Just re-watched "Arsenic and Old Lace". Grant's physical humor and comic timing MAKE that movie.
I’m a big Cary Grant fan and have read much about him dating back to his childhood in England. Of course I know about the rumors and wanted to know one way or the other. But at one point, I wondered why do I even care? Seriously, why does it even matter? He didn’t talk about it and I respect that.
They were gay/bi numerous acquaintances and friends have already said they were in love. Cary grant just had easier with women hence he manage to settle down in his final years and have a child.
He had always been my hero as a kid and I thank him for giving me the opportunity to see this wonderful American icon ply his trade as an actor. I don't care about his personal life as it is only his business. I'll always remember him as a hero to me while I was growing up, thinking he was a great Cowboy and darn good actor.
It doesn't matter if they were close best friends, straight men , bisexual men or gay men. Both of men were amazingly great actors who were wonderfully entertaining to watch for their fans. Their sexuality does not matter one way or another because it was just only their own personal private business along with their other partners who might have right in need to know only.
I have been accused of being gay because my best friend in college and I always hung out. There were times I slept in her dorm room and we would laugh so loud that other people would complain. I was shocked when I heard there were people who thought we were gay. Nothing could be further from the truth. Boys can have really good friends-and so can girls. I just blew it off.
Philadelphia checking in. Regardless if the man was gay just think of what kind of life he had to live if he was gay. Because people couldn't accept the way a man felt he couldn't live his true life. I'm a heterosexual man I couldn't imagine if someone said I couldn't live my life the way I wanted to. Especially in them days. But he made a great career so God bless.
In the opinion of many, Randolph Scott would have been perfect as Ashley Wilkes in "Gone With The Wind". He was handsome, southern, blonde and the right age!
Never thought Leslie Howard was right for that part. Great actor, just out of place there. Still niggles at me every time I watch. Randolph Scott would have been perfect and more believable in just about every way, certainly age-wise.
@@lklpalka Age-wise they both were too old for the role of Ashley imho.; even if Scott was actually five years younger than Howard. Both were over forty years old, so clearly too old for playing Ashley, a role that Howard despised to play. But other than age-wise Scott would certainly have been a more fitting choice than Howard in every aspect.
Let’s take the “sex” out of it ! If these two men were soulmates and shared a genuinely loving friendship throughout their adult lives then that tells me they were granted a ‘gift’ far mor valuable than anything Hollywood and fame could offer them.
They were happier than most Hollywood "couples." I still admire both of them. They were unique and very brave. Only love can make any of us that strong.
3:21 Scott graduated high shool at age14??? Lied about his age to join the "military"??? Wrong. Born January 1898, Scott graduated high school at age 18, and joined the National Guard in 1917, at age 19. WTF????
he also suggests at one point R.S was from a very average family n fact they were very well off n moved in the best circles. Scot studied these subjects at uni in order to join his fathers firm
Two icons of their time, I don't really care how they spent their time but they both obviously had a great time. Enjoyed their movies that's pretty much all that counts. Thanks Brenton 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Scott and Grant were two men wonderful, who were friends, if they were lovers or not, that doesn't matter. Good for them. Thanks for another great video. Hugs.
Truly the best of the Western stars. The was never any doubt when Randolph Scott rode into town that the bad guys were on their way. very much a visionary in the role of TV in American life, who ended up with the largest collection of movies to sell to TV who needed something to fill hours each day.
After more than 40 years in the work force, working in a male dominated business I have from time to time worked with male collueges I had a close and warm friendship with, and it is a great experience to have this feeling of common understanding and respect, there is no sexuality or anything, just men recognizing something in an other man, still remember those collueges decades later
Randolph Scott lived with Gary Grant for quite a few years. Randolph Scott was married to a woman in the early 1960's, at least that is when I talked to her. I worked for the Telephone Company (for the Manager of the Phone Co. Secretary). She stated that she was Mrs. Randolph Scott, and told me what she wanted. She asked me if I knew who her husband was. I told her, that I certainly did, and went to all his movies. She laughed and told me wonderful!
What ever was THEIR , inclinations toward each other long past, both dead also long ago, entertaining actors, diff ppl, diff actors, producing great movies for so long. Rip.
So many famous ( and infamous ) people had to hide their lifestyles back then. Some still do. No matter what art or business someone has or does....If they are good at it? That's all that counts. They were both great actors, and I'm a big fan of their films. Interesting stuff! Thanks for your work and posting.
You state that upon graduating high school, Scott lied about his age and enlisted in the military at age 14. Scott was born on January 23, 1898. He would have been 14 in 1912. WWI didn't start in Europe until July 28, 1914. America didn't get into the war until April 6, 1917. Scott enlised in the military in April of 1917. Scott would have been "19" not "14" when he enlisted. The age of consent to enlisted in the military was, and is still 18 years of age. So Scott would have had no reason to lie about his age in order to enlise.
I always thought Randolph Scott and Gary Cooper resembled each other enough 2b brothers, but I think R.S. was the handsomer of the 2......loved his smile. 😊
The one HUGE thing missing from this story is the legal issue. Gay sex was a felony in California (until 2003! Although prosecutions were rare after the 1970s). Admitting to being in a gay relationship with another man (Lesbian sex wasn't technically illegal) was a confession of a crime. This gave your employer legal grounds to fire you, landlords to refuse to rent to you, etc. It also opened you to prosecution -- and district attorneys would prosecute: if they had evidence (such as a confession) they had an obligation to prosecute under California law. So keeping it a secret was not just about your 'reputation', it was about keeping you from being arrested and dragged into court, and being sentenced to prison. BTW: it is still completely legal to fire someone for being gay in more than 20 states in the US today (unless it is specifically prohibited in your contract of employment).
Both actors made wonderful entertaining movies, largely in part because of their personalities and what they brought to their respective roles. I much prefer remembering Scot as the western hero that brought such pleasure to many a Saturday afternoon of my childhood in the 50’s. Learning personal details of his private life at this late stage of my life is pretty irrelevant for the huge crush I and a lot of other women have for him.
Whether they were gay or not, the fact that they kept it private should be respected. You should not have to announce to the world what your sexual orientation is. The fact that they were great actors and respected men were what mattered. I lived with a very dear friend who happened to be a woman like me. We shared same taste in many things, we were both definitely straight, but rumors continued. We just laughed and went on with our life.
I'm very happy for the life they had together, it seems to have been filled with love and joy and happiness. I'm only sorry neither of them lived in a time they could come out in without repurcussions.
I saw an interview with one of Grant's ex-wives. The interviewer asked what she thought of the rumor that Grant and Scott were lovers, and she responded, "I heard that, too, but Carey and I were always so busy f-cking that I never thought to ask."
I spent some time looking at photographs of them together. I would say that they were very much in love based on how they look at each other in those moments on camera. Either they were wonderful in front of a camera and truly the public or alternatively you can see it is a glimpse into the truth behind the story
The photos were staged for publicity purposes. This was not something that would have happened had there been any truth to the gossip about their relationship
Fantastic documentary without pointing fingers and assumptions. I for one could care less as long as they weren't hurting anyone else. But those days were way different. Both were great actors.
Cary Grant was one of the best looking and most suave men ever. I would not be surprised if he was gay, but if he was, he didn't flaunt it. He was simply brilliant.
Randolph was such a handsome man, and I can see how he quickly became a success in movies. He and Cary Grant must have captured thousands of hearts, of both men and women. Who cares what their relationship really was? It was great they had each other to lean on as a close friend.
Whether they were lovers or not is no big deal nowadays, but it is a fact that these two guys were penny pinchers and cheap. Randy Scott was the stability that Grant needed in his life. He came from poverty and was very unsure of himself. They were young men and who knows what went on, but I do believe Grant would have never reached his stardom without his friend Randolph Scott. i think the Carole Lombard quote was spot on.
Dave La Violette, Cheapness had nothing to do with it. Wake up and smell the coffee. Two famous male movie stars are not living together because they are cheap and want to split the cost of living.
@@freddie3206 first movie actors did not make the big money like they do now. And There were a lot of women that slept with them. I am a gay person who doesn't think that every one is gay. I do believe that two men can be close friends and be like brothers. Not everyone is jaded.
@@nicholasforrester8587 I understand that. I read when Cary Grant died his wealth was 100 million. I was reading about Ceasar Romero who was gay also and gave Desi Arnaz a BJ at the taping of I Love Lucy. When you read about all the gay actors in Hollywood, Cary Grants name is always mentioned. I also watched a video about his daughter saying the same thing about him. Nicolas I am your brother if you know what I mean. I just bought a new computer and I had Staples set it up. I wish they did not use my full name on you tube.
While I've always enjoyed the older movies from the silents through the early 1960's, it was in a Statler Brothers song with the lyrics "What ever happened to Randolph Scott?" that I first heard of him.
3:23 - Impossible: If R.S. was born in January 1898, he could not have been fourteen when the U.S. entered WWI (1917); he would have been nineteen at the time.
Michael "Cur-TEEZ"; Joel "Mc-CRAY" - as properly pronounced. Both are big names well known in film history; one can hear their names spoken correctly in countless posts.
As i understand it the actors back then was poorly paid. A lot of other actors share accommodation like Marilyn Monroe and Shirley winter. Not everyone was or is gay to fit a narrative.
That makes sense in the early years. But once they were established? Sorry if you don’t want them to be lovers that’s your business but trying to “ungay” them to make yourself feel better seems pointless.
Just because they lived together does not mean they had a homosexual affair ! Cary Grant was the most elegant handsome versatile Actor in then Hollywood ever in my humble opinion . Yes he had some internal problems to deal with and it affected his relationship with women . I can understand after that traumatic childhood that there remained some emotional scars .i can relate because i had a traumatic childhood and it took me many years to sort it out . Of course it affected also greatly my relationship with men .
This video paints a reasonable portrait of the Scott-Grant relationship so far as it goes - but there is some missing context. There's been slightly less speculation about Scott's sexuality than there has been about Grants through the years, most probably because a) he wasn't as big a star, and b) as an individual he was more circumspect. But the known facts about Cary Grant leave little doubt that he was gay, which in turn makes it even more obvious that his relationship with Scott was a good deal more than platonic. Before becoming famous in Hollywood, Grant lived and worked in New York, having migrated from the UK. During that time he had an on-going relationship with future Hollywood designer Orry-Kelly, which Kelly documented in his memoirs, only recently made public. As a struggling actor Grant was also known to get by on "the kindness of strangers", as Tennessee Williams would have said. Not quite a rent boy, but definitely a bit of a gigolo, using his charms on wealthy older men. In his Hollywood years Grant was a client of Hollywood pimp, Scotty Bowers, who arranged many assignations with young men. Grant's early marriages were quite transparently arranged as a cover for his sexuality, and there wasn't even much effort at the time to pretend otherwise. Like Scott, Grant eventually settled into longer heterosexual relationships, but then so did most gay men of the time. It was what you had to do to get by, especially in the public eye. And for Hollywood stars the advent of tabloid tell-all journalism in the 50s made being carefree about one's private life much more perilous than it was in the 30s and 40s. In short, when you consider all the evidence, there's really no doubt at all that Grant & Scott were lovers.
i forget exact number BUT Scott was in top ten box office draw for something like 4 decades so really cannot suggest he wasn't a "big star" he was HUGE for decades! He did lack acting ability but given most of his films and the speed they churned them out at it was hardly a surprise.
One if my nephews bought a house with his best friend. When his best friend got married, to a woman, My nephew bought him out. My nephew just got married recently to his longtime girlfriend. I don't know why some people want to think 2 guys are gay, if they share a home for a long time. These days you have to share a home to save money.
The only two people who obviously know the full extent of their relationship was and always will be the two of them, but I personally just don't believe that their relationship was sexual. The reason for me is primarily that if it was they did a really good job of hiding it from ALL of the people who were close to them. There are plenty of other stars that were in homosexual relationships or who were bisexual where the studios hid their relationships from the public because the public would never have been able to accept it, but in most of those cases there was almost always someone close to them who knew the truth who could tell the story later when it did become more acceptable. Cary Grant had 5 wives. I can imagine him successfully keeping that side of himself hidden from one or two of his wives, but did he really a) choose to keep that side of himself hidden from all 5, and b) successfully manage to keep that side of himself hidden from all 5? Sure, it's possible. It's also possible that he shared that part of himself with one or two wives and that the wives that knew happened to be really good at keeping the secret even after the relationships ended. I can absolutely see them not being so vicious as to leak it directly to the press, but I wouldn't think they would be as worried about sharing it with a best friend that they trusted or with other actors or actresses at the time that they knew wouldn't be judgmental. Lots of people have mentioned that they shared a home even when they should have been successful enough to be able to afford their own places, but first of all just because your rich doesn't mean that you don't appreciate saving money. That goes double if you happen to work in an inconsistent field like acting where you may get a big paycheck one day and be out of a job the next. You never know when your career will be completely over because you suddenly look too old, so the wise thing for any actor to do is to save for the future just in case. And second of all, sometimes it is nice to just not be lonely. I wouldn't want to share space with just anyone, but I do have a couple of really good friends that I would share with if we both happened to be looking for a roommate. Perhaps they had one of those friendships where they could tolerate each other and had a ton of fun together, so it just felt better to live together than be lonely living alone. Also, considering how taboo homosexuality was back then, if they really were sleeping together why weren't they more discrete about their relationship by chosing to have two homes for appearances? They could probably even get away with having what the world would see as regular sleepovers. There are exceptions to every rule, but generally when you have a secret to hide you do everything in your power to avoid starting rumors that happen to be really close to the truth, and as two particularly attractive men they must have known that living together and that doing somewhat sexy photo shoots together would start the rumor mill going. If their sexuality was an open secret and they weren't focused on hiding it, I can see them doing that. If they weren't having a sexual relationship I can see them not even realizing it or realizing it and laughing about it. But for them to so successfully keep the secret would have required being very careful, and I just can't reconcile the idea of doing stuff that will likely start the rumor mills going full speed while at the same time successfully protecting the secret for all time from everyone or at least nearly everyone. Sure, there's the double bluff potential explanation, but if you are being that careful you don't need a double bluff. It's much better to never get the rumors started in the first place or to let the rumors happen because you aren't actually ashamed of what you are doing and you are only keeping up appearances in the public eye because the studios instructed you to do so. Once again, maybe they really were just incredibly discreet and managed to have a relationship without a single person around them figuring it out or the people closest to them even suspecting it. Just because the homosexuality/bisexuality of many other stars was considered an open secret in Hollywood, that doesn't mean every homosexual/bisexual couple in Hollywood was an open secret. Maybe they didn't need handlers to keep the scandal out of the newspapers and managed to do that themselves. Maybe they either never needed or wanted to confide that side of themselves to anyone, or maybe they were really good at picking truly discreet people with whom to share that secret. However, the significant lack of evidence combined with the fact that those who knew them best don't seem to believe it really makes me think that this is one of those situations where people are jumping to the conclusion that just because two people are living together that means they must be sleeping together. That tends to be even more believable when both people happen to be really good looking. It also goes double when the two people work in an artistic area like Hollywood. And perhaps some people are secretly hoping it's true because if these two men were sleeping together it means they are additional icons that can be put forward as potential faces of the gay pride movement. In this particular case, I personally believe the idea that these two men were sleeping together comes more from a place of multiple people seeing it as a wish fulfillment than it does from anything based in reality.
Both favorites. Cary had a reputation from his early days in NY, living with a major fashion designer (Orrie Kelly) who eventually moved to LA, as did Grant...What always amazed me was how they seemed to love this 'open story' with all of the photo shoots and such- playing against 'he man' type was maybe a cover that worked...Erroll Flynn and David Niven had similar living arrangements and a tidal wave of starlets and drunken nights- quite the opposite reputations... :-)
Glenn Ford and William Holden lived together as did James Stewart and Henry Fonda, Errol Flynn and David Niven etc. It was common studio policy to have screen idols living together because living with females in an adulterous relationship would have been scandalous and damaging to their careers. Budd Boetticher who directed and was a personal friend of Randolph Scott said of these rumours when they surfaced were total hogwash. Scott's son also dismissed these rumours. Many dead stars of that era have mud like this flung at them because they're not around to defend themselves. Why not trace some of the living relatives of these stars and interview them about this subject? Also the rumour mongers who dream up all this crap do it so they can sell the their next book which won't clash with the last half dozen rumour mongers who have written a similar book on the same dead star. This channel ought to be called the age of vintage lies.
@@Jasona1976 nah....your way too sensitive...no homophobia from his post....haters will always be with us but no need to get hysterical over this post here...
@@BlackDoveNYC That's not what that phrase means at all. To fling mud is to start a rumor. That's all this is ... rumor and it was typical, still is typical, gossip rag fodder. You'll notice that most actresses were also paired either with minders, chaperones, other studio actresses, or relatives to keep them in line but no one ever raises questions about their sexuality. They were instead painted as loose or alcoholics by the rags at the time. To fling mud or muckrake is just how the media works.
I'm half-way through this video and it's putting me to sleep. Wake me when the narration is finished naming all of Scott's brothers and sisters and uncles and aunts and employers and neighbours .... with all of their names, addresses, and professional accomplishments. 😦
I’m a 74 year old great-grandmother, born & raised in Virginia. My mother’s family all had the Old Virginia drawl as Mr. Scott. I’ve always loved him & Cary Grant & all their movies, especially “My Favorite Wife”. They were both so handsome, stylish, & charming w a great sense of humor & athletic. It breaks my heart whenever the gay rumor about them comes up. I’ve known guys who were best friends & were like brothers, but totally straight. Scott was the only son & had 5 sisters & Grant had a sad situation as an only child. I like to see them as best friends & appreciate all of their talents & qualities. I’m so thankful for all their movies being shown on TV that I record & watch over again. I’ll always be their fan!
Well I lived with my college pal , in Residence ( medicine) poor overworked years , he turned to eventually turn gay , I was already with my girl ( now my wife) Those years I miss them ,poor but happy Those years were great !
@@BlackDoveNYC People struggle with their sexual identity before they figure it out. It's just like being right or left handed, we don't choose it either.
Both Scott and Grant were great actors. They may have been more than friends but whatever the “more” was is none of our business. It’s sad they had to stop living together because of gossip.
