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I have noticed a bizarre trend when it comes to incredibly wealthy people, they don't know how to enjoy recreational hobbies like fashion, games, or art. They'll spend thousands on a brand name item or garment, regardless of whether or not it's ethically made, and regardless of actual quality and durability. They'll collect things like unnecessary cars, usually gaz guzzlers, but rarely drive them all. They'll spend money on short airplane rides that could have been a drive. They even purchase things like NFTs instead of real artworks, and pay money on virtual simulations aimed at the rich (when videogames of every style and genre and even VR ALREADY EXIST!)
@FeministCatwoman I think it just proves that millioners/billioners shouldn't exist. Having so much money when there are people starving to death and struggling with everyday life is just wrong. And the sad thing is that all that money are just numbers to them.
@@FeministCatwoman yeah. Spending your own money on an ugly overpriced tee-Shirt that lasts for several years (assuming they donate their old clothes and donˋt throw them away) is WAAAY worse than buying a just as ugly shirt from Schein that will fall apart after 2 months and REALLY will have to be thrown away. Jap. Makes sense.
@@DieFarbeLila88 But poor and struggling people don't purposely buy things that just immediately fall apart. They buy whatever they can afford and then wear it past the point of it falling apart, and then even longer than that. They keep and even "hoard" whatever they can for as long as they can because they know that it may be a long while before they get a new item. They're not the ones filming themselves doing 2,000+$ Shein hauls
Rich people love to LARP being poor as an aesthetic choice. The entire "minimalism" movement in having barren home decoration, white and beige barely furnished walls and floors, baggy distressed clothing with more holes than actual fabric and a 10,000$ price tag attached, temporarily living in "cozy" little RV type homes in their lavish backyards. That shit is fun to them. They must be living out some Prince and the Pauper roleplay fantasy, because the reality is living in poverty is actually traumatic as fck.
I haven’t worn a full length shirt since 2010 bc it’s just easier to maneuver my giant ass and thighs. I swear I think Imma be a grandma in a croptop HELP!
People with money don't have to rely solely on their image to open doors, so their "hobocore" looks are just costumes purely for their entertainment and ego, and it costs them nothing to buy something different when their interests change. People without money know that your image may be the ONLY way to open a door, so their clothes can become a matter of life and death, and taking great care of their clothes means not having to replace them. Fun fact: you can also see this reflected in home design. The "Minimalist" layouts are often seen in wealthier home, because they can more often afford to just buy whatever they need on a whim, and toss it when they're done with it. Less wealthy homes tend to hang onto things because it may be too costly to get them or replace them later.
Fashion trends confuse me. I grew up in the Grunge era so wearing jeans, t shirts and being casual is second nature to me. I want to wear something over and over til it falls apart, not once and then have to bin it the next day. That's a waste of money and even if I was rich, I'd want to use my money for things that have durability. I just wish our second hand stores stocked stuff for anyone over a size 12 that was more than just the put a sack over your head and add a belt, look.
And I don't blame you. People who dress shabby who are actually homeless have no choice. And all those people taking selfies with this homeless guy I wonder why they didn't try to help him out by offering him a job, directing him to a shelter or something. He's being treated as a novelty
Fashion changes as fast as the weather. Wear what you like and what makes you happy and confident! Why? Because happiness and confidence will always be in fashion!
Not really. She was wearing undergarments and what was technically lingerie so she could be comfortable. Not a “peasant dress” and no one then thought it was too. Peasant didn’t wear undergarments as clothes and their clothes didn’t really look like that. Undergarments we’re meant to keep the actual clothes clean from dirty skin worn by all classes. Though Marie was raised to bathe regularly. Marie didn’t look dirty or poor and no one thought so. Quite far from modern day distressed clothing.
I buy cheap and mid-priced clothing and try to take care of it as best as possible. I have clothing from Old Navy that I bought 8 years ago that still looks decent and that I still wear. You don’t have to wash something after each wear, and you can launder clothing in less demanding ways. Not everyone can afford a $100 blouse. You can find a $30 blouse and make it last a decade (if not longer).
I just bought a tank top from old navy 3 weeks ago , it was $30 and looks like shit after a couple wears . I’d rather save for something made out of cotton .
I think fast fashion brands offered better quality at that time. I have some items from the early 2010s, which I bought from local fast fashion brands. They are actually decent and made of nice material.
The truly sad thing is that individuals equate what they wear as a measure of who they are. A super creep in a million dollar suit is still a super creep. Money can't buy class or wisdom apparently. Instead of trying to dress like you're homeless-try ACTUALLY HELPING THEM.
Fashion, in my opinion, always rises from the lower classes adopting styles that suit them, and then someone puts it on a catwalk, and the poor people lose access to their styles again.
Itˋs actually the other way around - or in this case itˋs more of a cycle situation. You have stuff like a Burberry Parker and that form then gets adopted by a cheaper fashion store in order to look „fancy“, wich people buy and then it lands in 2nd hand stores where poorer people can acquire it. This new shabby look from the uberrich is more a symptom of boredom I would think. They try to look different then the other rich people or in order to look more „humble“ or whatever and then we get shit like this. A distressed shoe for 20000$🤦🏻🤦🏻
It’s often functional lol I’m old enough that stuff I did as a kid out of function has been discovered on tiktok as just a look like already neatly aesthetically packaged.
It's a bit unfair to blame Marie Antoinette for her obscene spending. All the aristocracy of the French were guilty of excessive spending, even before Marie Antoinette was in the picture. She was also only 14 when she was married to Louis and was a target of a lot of bullying because she took a long time to start having kids, and she was not French. She was spoilt and spent a ridiculous amount of money for sure, but she was also a convenient scapegoat for the revolution.
“Old money” esthetic means white money esthetic. Designers and rich people didn’t like black hip hop artists and athletes buying and styling “their” clothes so they changed the codes and deemed everything else tacky or “too loud”. It’s highly racially coded.
Excellent essay! I’ve been thinking about the old money trend a lot. I will say that this shift has made me feel more myself since a lot of the clothes or items of the aesthetic were things that I already owned and have always gravitated to (inherited jewelry, wearing my dad’s university pullover or my mother’s bags, “old timey” classic perfumes, etc.). Buying less and quality has been something I started adopting since last year and it’s done wonders for my spending habits. As much as I love shopping, I love it all the more when I save up to get a cashmere top or linen set that I want. At the same time, the inequality and inclusivity of class distinction also is set up to harm me as well. Both facts are very hard to contend with.
I was only into old money cuz I went to a private school and had to wear uniforms and even I went back to public school I still had to dress like Blair from gossip girl
For me the old fashion interest has a lot to due with investing in pieces that are timeless. Even if it wont be trendy anymore the pieces by themselves also dont look outdated, speaking of the more casual old money style of course.
I really enjoy understanding what shapes and colors I have, like I know there’s grey and pinkness to my skin so I can avoid really primary colors and orange if I want and the reason I’ve worn crop tops for over a decade is literally for function my hips get in the way and I don’t have sharp long lines in my body or face either my eyes are just plain round that’s why I couldn’t figure out the shape lol, that kinda stuff.
That stuff will be really timeless to you as an individual is what I mean, with that knowledge I can invest in quality pieces I really intend to have forever and even pick and choose out of passing trends if it’s something I was already looking for when it becomes a trend I get to have more accessible options I’ve always liked to see the positive in that too
This is wild, I was ranting to my friend about the whole "Marc Jacobs Grunge Collection" just like a week or 2 ago. Rich people paying hundreds if not thousands of dollars to "look poor" makes me so angry.
It's crazy how Tiktok give us this "naming issue" and the desire to put 'core/aesthetic' at the end of no sense things- Now an economic status is a fashion trend ? This world is kinda far from reality sometimes 💀
i thought the "-core" stuff came from tumblr, at least aesthetics and the labeling of things did? but obviously as tik tok is prone to do, they took it too far and i suppose every other social media platform has followed. but yeah it's so weird 😭
There's a few RU-vid videos about this, calling the phenomenon "hyperreality" things have evolved so far past the origin of the actual experience that it turns into a simulacra of what it once was, a reference on a reference, copied multiple times.
My fashion sense is influenced by my grandmother. Breathable textile, tailored fit and wearing it till its shreds. I am proud owner of various clothes that have lasted me 10yrs or more. Home clothes should be bought in 3s. 1 set spare in monsoon when clothes dont dry but rest 2 alternate everyday. I throw out clothes every 2 years or so. Only if i cant repurpose them in any other way. Thanks grandma. ❤
Same here. But what really buggs me, is the the quality of clothing seems to decline. A dress from H&M may have lasted be 8 years in the past (sadly I did not make it to the 10 year mark jet 😢) but now a similar dress will last me MAYBE 4 years befor falling apart. And that just sucks1 :(
@@DieFarbeLila88 yeah I agree with you. My most thrown clothes are western clothes. My salwar kameez easily make it 10yr mark. Thankfully though india still has some good sustainable western clothes shops. I have this one shirt, I bought in 2004. Still got it. Extra tip- my grandma taught me to sew clothes and how to darn/patch/alter clothes so they never look raggedy. That comes handy.
@@Svengali764 I just had to google what a Salwar Kameez is and OH MY GOD! They are so beautiful! 😍 Shein sells these too though🤢 I guess I‘ll have to travel to India to find a good one. Or is it weird if a western girl wears one? 🫣 I have my Dirndl for 15 years now. Still works like a charm 🥰 Sadly I don’t know how to sow but I have tailor where I like to bring the dresses that are still salvageable 😅 I just remembered I still have a green dress from Zara that I bought in late 2012. I made the 10 year mark! YES! 🤪😂 and it still looks as good as new 🥰
Well said . As a fashion historian who’s only 35, younger people are quick to talk about something that has deep sociological history, assuming the thing they’re talking about started 2 years ago
Imagine all the money and resources that went into making expensive clothes that look like something you would use if you havmd no other option (Because you are poor), when it could have gone into feeding those people they try to immitate or to save our dying planet...
I prefer the old Money look because I used to dress like that at my old catholic school like Blair Waldorf from gossip girl . Dressing like a homeless is offensive to real homeless people.
The interview off the Bangladesh garment work cut her off! She didn't finish her sentence. She was addressing ppl who buy those clothes and her boss tl do.... She didn't finish explain it
I don't think we spent enough time cringing and condemning rich people romanticizing homelessness. On the other side of the coin, I don't vibe well with Student Council members who dress dress like they're on West Wing and feel uncomfortable with casually dressed, even rainbow haired students being in the same space as them.
Hello! Always love watching The Take. However, the bit where the Bangladeshi woman speaks - although I'm sure the entire interview must have documented what is written in the subtitles, the actual part shown in this video doesn't encompass that. It simply says, "People who buy clothes from Bangladesh, we want to tell them that our owners/masters..." and then it trails off. This error undermines the language and the community unwittingly in the process. @TheTake, please note!
That's what I did at my job when I was rather poor - I was dressing the same way as usual (and I was kinda inspired by Zuckerberg, LOL). Surprisingly, it worked. I've got recognized (and probably remembered) and was given a lot of cool opportunities, because of all the smart people there I've "looked the smartest" to the people in suits. To the point that my former employer thought that my image was bringing them more interest. Everytime a new investor came, everyone was told to dress a bit more elegant than usual but me and a few of my collegues were told - "and you keep being yourself, please"🤦♀. Rich people are impressionable as well. Beat them with their own weapon, right?😂
Hot tip: Chelsea Fagan only fakes concern for the poor so that other middle-class people who feel the occasional twinge of guilt will watch her channel. She's admitted as much in interviews : "I'm not Che Guevara." Judging by how condescending she is to the lower orders (she mocks everyone she thinks is lower caste than herself) I believe it. Meanwhile, she dreams about being a Real Housewife.
The people who buy fast fashion clothing are usually not paid fairly either. So they have no other chance than to prepatuate the cicle, and wear low-quality garments that are available to them...
See, and the _actually_ cool people sew their clothing themselves and look like a Victorian mob boss or the prettiest Lolita or a Hobbit or a flower fairy.
This reminds me of an article about black fishing, where models on Instagram will pretend to be black by making their skin darker and making their hair look curly and giving other things. they quoted Dr. Danielle Bainbridge who is a professor of theater and African-American studies at Northwestern University. She said that the problem with cultural appropriation is that it involves somebody who has power and privilege that enables them to selectively engage with the experiences of marginalized groups of people without having to deal with the totality of their experience. Hobocore is exactly what Professor Bainbridge is talking about; people living in poverty, people who are homeless, are styling themselves and the only ways that they are able to do so given their circumstances. Rich people take inspiration and make those styles trendy. They make it look cool to look like you are poor or homeless. But actual poor and homeless people still get treated horribly, whereas the people emulating their appearances don’t have to deal with things like finding a safe place to sleep at night or not knowing where your next meal was going to come from.
Ridiculous fashions, such as the hobocore, are fleeting and usually worn by new rich or celebrities who are paid by the fashion houses to sport certain styles, want to attract attention, or are going through some kind of a personal or existential crisis. Old-money people with real pedigree and class never bother with stupid trends. On the other hand, silent luxury has become a much-talked-about aesthetic and surely low-cost brands are trying to monetize it as if any mortal could achieve the look when silent luxury is precisely about simple, timeless pieces that at the same time are clearly pricy and transpire luxury because they are top-notch quality in terms of materials, crafting, and tailoring, something that a brand like Shein, which specializes on cheap labor, shitty manufacture, and third-class supplies, will never really be able to mimic. Trying to get a rich look by purchasing cheap "lookalikes" is just silly.
I like the old money but i don’t mimic it by buying shein, rather buy Zara that might not be best quality but clearly lasts more than shein. Also old money is more about atemporal, monochrome that allows you to wear the same thing in different ways or am I wrong? Cause that’s what i liked about it 😂
Zara is linked to the forced Uighur labor in China - the modern day concentration camps. That's the real "blood cotton", it's not about quality. Not a real upgrade from SheIn (admittedly - the worst "fashion" company on all fronts).
A thought provoking video, as always. A thought on the speed of the narrator though. Feels rushed, compared to all your previous videos. Had to playback at 0.75x to keep up. Would prefer a slower, normal talking pace, for a thought provoking video, so as to let the thoughts being presented to sink in.
I understand why poor, homeless, and impoverished do it. You don't want to get arrested in a nice neighborhood . If people had to be hated by their communities and struggle for a year as homeless, going house to house, never knowing if you will have work or transportation or even a place to eat and sleep. Being judges and losing access by teachers, classmates, and peers. I don't like that is purely based on " likeability", so the phrase : " Likeability, personability, and cleaniness are holiness and next to Godliness.", huh?
There’s one brand of dress shirts that I’ve really fallen in love with. While they are more expensive than what I normally like to pay, they have a great range of colors and patterns, and since they’re made with a small amount of spandex they are very durable and wrinkle resistant.
Another part of why rich people play down their wealth in appearance is protection. The same rationale that says established wealthy people should buy houses with big walls big fences a long driveway etc and said house will be modestly decorated- that same logic is why you’ll see someone who has the money to travel the whole world dressing like they packed one outfit of oversized sweats to do it. But that’s a signifier of class to have access to these things and to not show it off. That’s the reason why us peasants like when people show off. Class can be exclusionary and hard to connect with. Having money, but not class- it’s a lot easier to connect with. A poor person’s idea of a rich person is where we get our gossip girl super sweet 16 monarchy fantasy- and it’s kind of telling the online aesthetic of “old money” pulls from the past rather than the present. It’s a lot of the Kennedy’s or young princess Diana and socialites of a social circle that’s now grown old or doesn’t exist at all but in photos of sweaters and intentionally buttoned and unbuttoned button up shirts. Though of course it can be beneficial to be old money and not look it- solid gold bathroom donald trump has a lot of lower income people fawning for him convinced they have commonality because he spends his money in a way they would despite the fact he comes from inherited money. But one aesthetic I wish I got talked about more in this discourse is an old 1950s British style that closely aligns with what I do- called Teddy Boy. It’s a look that was taken on by working class people who were into like rock n roll and R&B, and it’s called Teddy because it’s clothes from the Edwardian era. Stuff that the rich snubbed that trickled down and became affordable to the working class so you had this period of working class men (and some women) who wanted to look smart and well dressed but who had this kind of pre punk edge but were solidly working class nonetheless despite reinterpreting an old Edwardian dandy look.
@@oooh19 It's an american thing to be offended by people of other nations embracing your culture. In Europe it's opposite. But our opinion doesn't matter
It really ridiculous considering all the men who were actually in charge including her husband are never spoken of. She lived the way a French queen was supposed to live though she did try to be charitable and take money seriously unlike most other members of the court- but it was too late. She never said let them eat cake and she was a child when she got sold off- the life of Versailles is what she grew up with spending most of her life there. The true blame for the fall of France is the long line of men who did not want to tax the rich and take care of their people.
Commodifying someone’s struggle is probably the most gross thing ever. It’s not cute to buy new trainers that cost hundreds but that look five years old and broken is grim. Fk hobo core.
LOL, I wasn't reading the subtitles at first because I speak bengali, but then I had to go back and read the subtitles, because they cut the speaker off before she finished her sentence.
Be mindful. If you buy something new that seems ridiculously cheap, you're buying slave labour. There's no other way you can buy a new dress for 15 bucks.
I have big boobs. Doesnt matter what I wear, even if I wear a big baggy jumper, its still clear what's going on and guys still stare at my chest when they talk to me and girls think im sleeping around because of it. Thus I dont care anymore, they're gonna talk shit anyway, might as well be comfortable.
You guys are great at research, but this is the second time you miss pronounced Maison Martin Margela. His name is not "Maison", Maison is how you say house in French, the designer's name is Martin Margela, Maison Martin Margela is the house of Martin Margela.
@@freyja6360 nah it shows time and time again that they don’t do thorough research . No one should be giving a history lesson on these things, unless they live and breathe fashion and fashion sociology. Knowing margiela is like first day of fashion class, so it’s incredibly cringe that they clearly don’t know what maison means in a fashion context 😅
@@baby.nay. To not know something and being unable to pronounce it is two different things. Plus it isn't a channel about fashion but about tropes. Even this vid is about the sociology of business behind it. They don't need to "live and breath fashion" to be affected by it. It's not that deep, nor it isn't important in the wider context. It's just weird to be so pressed about it, LOL.
The take really doesn’t seem to have a research team . The very first example you show of hobo core , shows someone wearing a $600 necklace that’s very recognizable. I don’t think you guys know enough of nuanced fashion sociology to speak on this