I'm a carpenter specialised in traditional regional architecture, I'm putting up decorated commemorative orthodox crosses at the crossroads around my region and i hope to build in not too distant future reconstruction of a wooden chamber burial mound with decoratively carved interior to raise awareness that my region has more than a 1000 of them. High art is not my story, same as high ideologies, I'm not ideologically suicidal, I want long and peaceful life, all my ideas are about conserving my region and preventing or reverting change in my region, i care for my family first, then for community and region, with huge drop off of investment in country, continent, religion and race thought the last one i do take seriously. I don't care about being remembered as "a solider" with 400k other "a soliders" by people I don't give a fuck about, I want to be remembered by my family and community, on my grave with my remains not blown up and in local history booklet with my full name. Glory is for generals not for peasants.
Glory is one thing, struggle is another. It is the glorification of the common mans struggle that builds nationhood and preserves them. War can be very minor detail for a peasant compared to the nature but necessary... Without this spiritual nationhood, my culture would be defenseless and wiped out under the soviet dictatorship.
most persons would agree that most every progressive movement and ideal are considered "leftism" ... and most persons would agree that most every conservative movement is considered "rightism" ... most persons would agree that progressive is the desire to "change the order of things" while conservative is the desire "to maintain the order of things"... and thus the two movement will clash... thus the right will tend to glorify the past and the left will glorify the future... (and thus it creates conflicts between the older generation against the younger generation)... the solution is to create forums and rational discussion for collaborations to define the problem, devise and implement a solution to the problem and reflect on the result of the solution... in my opinion, the overall "core" issue is the transfer of power/authority/ leadership/culture from one generation to the next generation ... this issue is not new and is part of human nature... a culture/people/nation and a person can rise above their animal primal nature with the gifts which God has given us to examine, analyze, with intellect and reason to make proper decisions and actions... but alas, there are so many variables to the problem/issues that conflict continually occurs and pain and suffering occurs because any solution can not encompass every problem and thus some person will be harmed by implementing change or by not implementing change... in the end there will always be "winners" and "losers"... a good society tries to eliminate/minimize the losses but that means minimizing the gains as well and thus society loses the potential for greatness and will die... each new generation will face this issue as eventually they become the old generation... it is the "clash of the gods"... and "turtles all the way down"
Even worse, theyve become the last man. Heroism? No thats bad, no more brother wars Exploration? But the worlds already explored best stay home Sacrifice? He hasnt sacrificed a moment of his life. Organize? Youre a fed There exist the lowest form of life
The best of them got censored to hell. One of whom I'm thinking of, their entire point was idealism/romantisim. Being more abstract, specifically with visual art, is even more necessary in today's environment do to "nations" no longer holding physical form like they used to. Paintings of soldiers today doesn't hold the same spiriual power as they used to. You just remember that they aren't fighting for a people, but for dis-loyal powers that would see their own kind destroyed if profitable.
@@Finnishpeasant I'm trying to not be a nihilist about it. I was trying to say that the art that will be needed might need to be more abstract and higher to counter the current situation of the world.
@@CptTexas1 I made that comment about the last statement, where soldiers aren't fighting for the people. That is not true, at least in the case of my cultural sphere.
When you mean "can't", do you mean "are prevented from"? Or do you mean "Cannot distribute using familiar channels"? Or do you mean "I do not search, therefore I will not find?" Because as communications mediums become less top down, art must be sought, because it is not simply supplied any more.
Croatian nationalisam strived under Habsburgs. Our nationalist painters sculptors etc had huge support from house of Habsburg. They were even on good terms with Party of Rights which was biggest nationalist party in Croatia.
Good court politics can carry a long way. The painter (Edelfeldt) was also in good terms with Romanov family but at the same time pulled Finland away from their hands.
Nicely succinct. I would point to the historical circumstances that gave the 'right' an inherent Romantic creative energy they have yet to re-experience, but I am not sure if that is entirely applicable to this video or correct.
I also wouldnt say romantic nationalists dont exist. Main problem is most of nationalists go to STEM unis, you will find that 80% of people there are hardcore nationalists and many dont even care about materialism. You wont see them in Arts because it has become postmodernist circlejerk, everybody knows it and they get away from it like devil from incense. Also there is huge problem with lobbies that are only pushing for modernism, we have huge battle in Croatia in arechitecture guild for that, younger generations are pushing for Historicism in architecture, and most of them are banned and are ridiculed to extreme points.
For painters, art school is quite "new" concept in history. It is only high skilled craft work. Technically, it does not need any institution. Same goes for sculpting. It is quite amazing how retired men from trade jobs and with working class background, can do with their free time when they put their time in it. I saw quite amazing chainsaw sculpting from wood during this summer. It was not made by some art school kids who barely have strenght to lift a chainsaw.
@@Finnishpeasant so so, most of painters in that time were educated in art schools in some prestige places. I know Croatian top artists like Vlaho Bukovac, Čikoš Sesija, Otton Iveković, Ferdo Quiquerez etc were all prodigies of top fine arts schools of time like Vienna, Paris, Munchen, Venice, other schools in Italy and such. Lower level artists were all educated by Church. I dont think you can do fine art without education. But i agree about sculpting it is bit different from painting at that time kt was done in trade schools.
@@Finnishpeasant chainsaw sculptures -_- are you serious? You yap on about right wing art and then go and say "yeah the chainsaw sculptures are cool" implying they are sufficient "art" for you. To have the high art you have to study for a decade in school or under a master, or two decades alone. Because the craftwork has a skill cap or skill usefulness bell curve, craftsmen can create great working art, kitsch art but high art from a craftsmen is once in a blue moon. You want great high art but are ignorant of how, how long, how costly, at what skill point and in what environment it has to be made. "Make me fine right wing art now! I don't care about any factors that make it hard, system is evil and future bleak? To make fine right wing art you don't need skill and hope, just make it" And the condescending assumption that there's non, it just doesn't go mainstream, artist painting photorealistic soliders might be skilled and spirtually motivated but it doesn't sell, porn sells, abstraction sells, fantasy sells when was the last time you purchased right wing artist's painting, or at least liked it on Facebook? If you are like the rest of us don't complain. Left wing art is getting shadowy cabbal of sweet baby inc like companies, Soroses and Schwabes funding, government and corporate support while right wing is left alone in the gutter. There are no king paying for paintings to the glory of the nation, or at least greek institutions or millionaires making financially sure that Cleopatra has right skin color. You're a goofball.
@@engineer1941 But most of the golden age artist in Finland received their education through apprenticeship training especially the ones from peasant class. The painters like Edelfeldt studied history and languages in university instead of "art". I have met many of these "liberal" students in my lifetime and even after receiving their degree. They have never read a single philosophical book or have even rudementary knowledge about history. I would say today, it is even easier to study these "humanistic" studies without institution.
But didn't the right create pepe the frog? Countless memes. That's art just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not art. We all hate "modern art" but it's art lol. Edit art is a human thing not a political thing. The reason "the left can't meme" is somewhat true is only because they censor themselves. There is a lot of left wing funny people infact I think carlin was left wing.
Bruh people create all kinds of art and they are from both sides of political spectrum, how can you know in what stuff every artist believes, your rant does not make any sense
@@Hog_enjoyer My argument is more about that there is no "high" art anymore and how nationalists created the whole golden age of art at the turn of 19th century.
Respectfully disagree. It seems your vision of the right seems to be entirely based on the mainstream "libertarian" types like trump or andrew tate. Let me tell you, there still are plenty of right wingers that are no strangers to all these concepts and openly reject the absolute clown world we're living in, longing for past glory and return to nature. For examples of art, look no further than extreme metal. There's tons of rightwing bands that are supreme masters of their craft and use it perfectly to ewoke these exact ideas. Granted it is mostly through a very destructive and often even dogmatic lense given the natures of both the medium and the many flaws that still preside in even that sphere of thought, but the spirit is most definately there.
You insult me with names like Tate/Trump/Libertarian and you claim you respectfully disagree? Metal music does not have life spirit, it is excactly infertile lite-nihilisms of Nietzsche. That is literally a fairy tale to see it having some sort of harbour of new conservative life.
The problem for right wingers when it comes to art is that they have almost by definition conservative and authoritarian tendencies. Both these ideologies seek to maintain systems and resist change. Artists as a general rule are creative, they tend to think outside the current systems or limitations of the world they live in if for no other reason than to elicit the excitement of new things in their work. The same thing repeated over and over gets boring. So it’s not that right wingers can’t do art it’s that their ideological framework acts as a self imposed handicap in creating art that is appealing to more people. This is why most artists, actors, entertainers or creatives have a strong left wing bias, they just find it easier to do art that people find engaging and will thus pay for. Because of this ideological slant among artists they tend to critique established systems and power structure. That is something right wingers don’t like and so in response tend to crack down on artistic expression which causes the art created under them to generally be uninteresting or otherwise gets siloed off into becoming propaganda.
I punched up a whole less-intelligent version of what you said here before I saw this. Agreed, chuds would kill any good artistic expression with their angry purity spirals and intolerance for anything different. The stuff they like is very derivative; stray from the norm, and you are a gay liberal. Watching them completely fail to get over a single social issue stumbling block to get to something good at the heart of a work is always comical.
@@Finnishpeasant because in the past technology and progress didn't seem to lead to hellish abominations so everyone was progressive, yet not formally defined left was for detachment from the past while right for synergy between past and progress. Now progress is in 90% of cases evil, so to be right wing is to be anti-progress or for heavily restricted one, and that's good. Going to space might end up being the good progress and the imaginative right is more interested in it than the earthly left, and we will see a lot of right wing space art, just hope it won't be AI crypto NFT techbro art.
@@Finnishpeasant Right = formerly yeomen, today homeowners and petit bourgeoisie Left = formerly serfs and crofters, today apartment rentees and proletariat?
@@AttilaKattila Someways yes, but artisans and merchants had huge differences in wealth in their own estate. Peasants who consisted 98% of feudal society had also very different paths in their own class because patrilineality could clash with land laws at some point or the land could be all together seized by kings donation to the nobles.
@@Finnishpeasant The public at large can not define the right and the actors prefer that the worlds view of the right remain distorted. Create art? Art is at the root of the problem. The right can not inspire war? The right does not inspire or conspire.
The right can create art, you just can't see if because it gets censored or is declared "not art". What's skinhead punk? Is music not art? RAC been around for almost 60 years now. Just one example.
