Why Seiko is Still the King of Affordable Divers - 6 Reasons. 1 Year with the Samurai 

Watching this late at night. I assumed it was time for me to sleep. 😀

Love hearing that. Definitely one of the aspects of Seiko that I find really attractive. So cool to be able to have that much history and such a long track record of satisfied customers

@@JusttheWatch New to your channel (have subscribed) I have have just bought the new black Samurai you recently reviewed at their London shop (think their only Seiko only shop in Uk). All you said I didnt know alot of it but you confirmed. I already have 3 Seiko, gone back to them as my mid purchase range.

My most accurate watch is Seiko Samurai! Also just subscribed! I’m 75 had all the nice watches, but the Seiko offers value for me!

@@BurntPlaydoh You could apply the marketing comment to pretty much anything, from watches to white goods to cars. I don't see the aggressive marketing and optimistic claims about quality and craftsmanship from Seiko that the Swiss brands seem to rely on. No, Seiko is not perfect but then no brand is. Personally I have not had any quality issues with my two most recent Seikos (2018 and 2020). They compare extremely well with similarly priced or more expensive watches from Tissot and VSA, including re. alignment and regulation. Maybe Seiko is not as good as it once was but it is still better than the others in my experience.

@@BurntPlaydoh You should not have to hand over any money for an unsatisfactory watch still under warranty. Surely free repair or replacement is a statutory right? Call me old-fashioned but I only buy watches from bricks and mortar ADs where I can personally inspect the watch I will be getting. If there is a problem they will sort it out, which is not always the case online. Not worth the risk IMHO as you do not know where the watch has been sourced from or if it has been returned and repaired previously. This has happened to me twice, once with a Tissot automatic and once with an Omega quartz in the January sale. The Tissot was returned to the manufactuer for much-needed regulation and I received a voucher for a free Tissot service at 2 years old for the inconvenience. The Omega was refunded without question due to a faulty crown which I failed to spot in the store. That was the only one they had in stock at that price. They gave me the option of return to Omega for free repair but I decided against this as it transpired the watch had been in stock for several years. Too much of a risk as there could be other issues lying in wait. Both times everything was dealt with to my complete satisfaction. Every brand will throw up a certain proportion of lemons so better to be safe than sorry. Never had a duff Seiko though in 30+ years of buying them . . . at least not yet.

@@BurntPlaydoh I understand how your location makes things difficult. My impression from hearing the experiences of others is that most of the big brands do not offer great customer service. That is why ADs are important as your contract is with them rather than the manufacturer and it is their responsibility to sort out any issues. I certainly would not want to deal with the likes of Tissot and Omega directly, more than likely an absolute minefield. Once they have your money the individual customer does not count for much in the eyes of the corporate big boys. I notice they don't mention aftersales service in their marketing guff!

i ordered the srpe33 and it comes saturday and im stoked

yes! and this i why Samurai is my first seiko :) …

Kevin Meeks totally 💯 agree with you as far as Orient goes . I own now the new 2020 Orient Mforce, the Mforce Bravo and a Orient Triton. All three of these watches in ways are putting Seiko to shame .

@@1968jpy Orient and Seiko are part of the same Corporation.

@@kronossonork6994 I’m aware I own both Seiko and Orient and are owned by the Seiko Epson group .

I have an Orient Ray II with modified bezel. A very nice watch and love to wear it. But not ISO certified as Seiko...

Orient is terrific and citizen is too. But psychos watches have a personality that orients and citizens do not have. The monster, the tuna, the samurai, the sumo, The turtle, You probably know what they look like just by saying the name.

That white dial king samurai looks awesome. If it was available when I bought mine I might have held out for it instead of the one I got.

non-sense. the only thing you have right is about the moon watch. only because they didn't want shards of glass floating around in the spaceship if one broke. hardlex is glass and it will shatter, there's no doubt about it. and let me tell you, if you smack your watch on something hard enough to shatter sapphire, glass will shatter too.

@@galacticcaveman4045 sorry but he was right. Sapphire is more likely to shatter. Of course ALL glass CAN shatter, but sapphire is proven to shatter MORE which is why hardlex / mineral has been a the choice for tool divers for years. NOT as a cost saving.

@@ThePlaiibox ok einstein, why do sieko's north of $1000 use sapphire? and does rolex use sapphire? yes. pretty much all dive watches that aren't el cheapos use sapphire. it takes more force to break sapphire, it's just not a "bendy" as glass, but glass takes less force to break. this is an issue for phones, but not an issue for dive watches, as the pressure is uniform.

@@galacticcaveman4045 Hi, Einstein here. Did you know that Sapphire IS glass? And that regardless of your blind ignorance, the properties of the material will not change. Hardlex/mineral crystal will always be more shatter resistant than Sapphire, regardless of cost and is able to withstand greater pressure over the long term making it perfect for sports watches. You can't change the science. Luxury watches often have much thicker Sapphire crystals (over 3mm) which do a better job. But these aren't common at the affordable end of the market. It's cost vs longevity.

@@ThePlaiibox wrong again einstein. sapphire is not glass at all. glass is made from heating sand, which is mostly silicon dioxide. synthetic sapphire is made from heating aluminum oxide.

Ok, timekeeping with an SKX is no fun...but, ugly? My SKX with a Miltat Oyster and Seiko clasp can deal with many much higher priced watches. The design is timeless and looks amazing, although my samurai gets the most wristtime.

You won't be disappointed 💯

They have a 300m eco-Drive with silicone strap under $170

Same here, Fugus rock

@@kronossonork6994still looking for one under 260$ if you know where to find one around 170$ I'd love to know :)

@@pa1ncak3 The model no is BN0085-01E

@@pa1ncak3 Also there's BN0118-04E

Same here, the Clasp isn't anything fancy, but always feels nice to close for some reason. I think they get a bad rap for their straps, but I'm with you.

You got lucky, mine was pretty misaligned, had to open it and align everything myself.

OK, that makes sense!

Thanks Jayce!

There's a lot to be said for SEIKO's repair and parts network too. I get my watches repaired and serviced as needed and I've never heard "I'm waiting for a part."

@@swilkobarfingtoniii1642 absolutely, good point 👍🏻👍🏻

And perfect alignment too....

There is also still its auto ancestor for about the same price: NY0040 - with actual military heritage, no alignment issues and typically great accuracy. I own both.

Citizen watch available all titanium, but date does not have magnifier.

I agree that Citizen is a great watch and equally quality and shares history with seiko's but the Promaster Eco Drive is not as great as what Seiko is offering with their mechanical diver's wathes simply because of the movement. You really cant compare the beauty of science and the passion of creation of mechanical watches. Quartz, Its simply not comparable. Personally, I compare quartz as a not genuine leather where as mechanical watches are the ones that's genuine leathers that undergone through an intricate process of perfect creation. While quartz is just a machine made circuit boards and then assembled by just snapping the partz with screws and then done.

@@JuanDelaCruz-qt5ok Just wanted to make a statement that I think Seiko gives us the opportunity to look to other (micro) brands the way they overpricing their watches now. If you don't want a quartz, buy the NY0040. For me a quartz watch can be interested as a mechanical movement. Big advantage is that I can put on the watch after a time and don't worry about setting the time. A mechanical movement is a useless complication in a way. But I like also my Samurai, Paddy and Turtle😁 Just serviced my SKX. It's more fun to do than quartz. But on the other hand, I never had to service a quartz. Buy the way: what do think about a Spring Drive? Cheers.

He is wrong about the ISO rating. The rolex submariner and the blancpain fifty fathoms are not ISO certified. The grandfathers of dive watches.

​@@matyasd007 That's probably because Rolex and Blanc Pain know people come for their watches for reasons besides a diver certification, in fact, probably because they are the grandfathers of dive watches. In fact, I bet Rolex meets the ISO certification, but doesn't even bother to advertise it. But Seiko, they stand to benefit from indicating they meet the certification. I think he is right about the ISO rating. In this video from Long Island Watch, Mark discusses the ISO 6425 and how including the term "diver's" is indicative of meeting this stringent standard in which EACH individual watch is pressure-tested, instead of merely one out of a batch of however many, in addition to all the other requirements to meet that certification. So, it does mean something when it says "diver's 200m." ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--5NjrGPBEKs.htmlsi=lUN-R_GvXHugHBVL&t=615

Definitely, I think the Turtle has even more heritage behind it, Seikos been working on that case style for a long time.

I have the blue dial and nato band.

I have a Kamasu and it's great, but it's not a certified diver. Watches that are certified are individually tested for water resistance. The kamasu will only have been tested a few from each batch. So it may not be as robust if used as a diver. I do love orient as a company tho. I have 6.

I have the red and blue dials. They are much better value than what Seiko is producing now.

I love Orient, probably my favorite brand for shopping on a budget!

Nice

I've got a few Seiko watches and I've also bought 3 Steeldive watches. I just don't see any difference in quality of case finish at all. All of them run well and are dependable. In fact the alignment is better on the Chinese watches compared to my Samurai- which is close, but not perfect. Considering that Seiko placed an increase of more than $100 just for a sapphire crystal and a ceramic bezel insert and one of my Steeldive watches retailed for slightly more than $100 w/ the exact same movement- my days of overpaying are over!

Yes you are correct it’s not only used in decompression but also to keep track of how long you’ve been down at a certain depth to guage if you even need to decompress in the first place! But no watch tells you how much air is left in your tank that’s on your octopus which had a gauge attached to your air tank!

Its for both

Accepted! Thanks for clarifying. In any case I'm more likely to time almost anything else than diving with my diving bezel. BUT my original point I do still subscribe to: A diver's ISO rating promises me my individual watch has been tested to withstand a given WR rating. And that gives me just a little bit more peace of mind.

So that's a little over 6.5 inches, which to me means you are asking a very valid yet also personally subjective question. I say go for it! If you don't like it let me know and I'll buy it off you on the cheap cheap!

They don't look much alike

62MAS is square cut lugs. Similar to a number of divers of the day. Seiko simply followed suit. Still a beautiful watch 62MAS.