Why so judgmental? 

Frank sometimes speaks at the organization where I work. We definitely have mutual friends, so I guess we are friends to some extent.

@@WhatsBugginYou True, Harry. All of this is stage. Christians enjoy lying to us. This is what you get witih people who believe that a god has given them unconditional and eternal forgiveness for EVERYTHING. They're going to lie and lie and lie, and not feel anything bad about it. Remember, they have nothing in the way of sympathy, empathy, or Humanity. They're not capable of caring about humans, so they PRETEND to care about humans by declaring themselves to be Christians. As time passes, this becomes more of a tell than anything else.

@@WhatsBugginYou Staging this sort of thing is lying. Better repent.

Thanks for weighing in with your thoughts.

@@WhatsBugginYou and you can tell frank rights come from ME, not god, rights have been fought for and people have died for their rights, they don't come from government no, but they don't come from god either (show me god protecting ukraine's rights) rights are fought for by PEOPLE. and you forget you have no rights under god, god tells you what to do and you burn if you don't do it - how is that "human rights". christians are the dumbest i swear. you _WANT_ to live under a dictatorship where frank PRETENDS you have rights. and just a quick reminder that the first amendment conflicts with the first commandment "thou shalt worship whoever you want" and that the declaration of human rights gives ME more rights than god. and it makes god irrelevant and a second class citizen, your own country doesn't recognise god having any rights. and a history lesson cos the USA is a secular nation, not many people seem to know that, and the founding fathers were at best deists and certainly not christian. hitchens became a naturalised american purely because of the constitution. the UK is officially christian, the US is officially secular.

haha. Thanks for watching, even if it was cringy for you.

@@WhatsBugginYou The religious behavior of Christians is cringe, Christianity is on the way out of the Overton Window of humanity, it’s hateful and useless.

@@WhatsBugginYou The worst!

@@WhatsBugginYou You two are very dishonest. You should be ashamed.

I've certainly met plenty of Christians who are. Frank is pretty aggressive when he's speaking. He's more laid back in a personal conversation. Did you know that Jesus actually had some pretty harsh words for the self-righteous religious leaders of his day?

​@@WhatsBugginYou And we're happy Jesus did, but do you think he'd have harsh words for Turek misrepresenting atheists?

@@WhatsBugginYou Jesus, if he ever existed, would tell Frank and his ilk that he "never knew me."

@@WhatsBugginYou Yes I did. Did you know that being more understanding in person rather than in public does not excuse it? Did you know that aggressively trying to dictate how everyone lives their life, no matter where those dictates come from, is beyond just being aggressive and well beyond being judgmental? What is so wrong with me living my life and you living yours? I don't care what Frank says as he goes on grifting and making money off of people who want to be decent but get their religion played upon. I care when the government dictates that I now have to follow a religion I don't believe in. And you should too Trip. Yes you have a good job I am sure trying to shore up the indoctrination on kids before they go off into the real world, but what happens when the SC suddenly says something you care about is no longer valid? And it's going to happen at this rate. So what do you do? Shrug it off and move on like your "getters" tell you to, or do you actually have a backbone? Every religion thinks they have THE answer to everything. Every sect in that religion thinks they know THE right way to follow that religion. Those of us who are secular say all of those people should be allowed to live their lives how they want, but they don't get to impose their views on everyone else. That isn't Tureks LAME duck argument on judging the judgmental. It's as juvenile as saying your bigoted towards bigots'. That is making a statement though. That we should all be treated equal so our society functions the best for everyone. Maybe on day when you move past your current grift you will take the time to understand this.

@@WhatsBugginYou You didn't challenge him at all. And if Jesus has something to say to me, then why use a middle man? He can tell me himself.

They couldn't find any atheists. All we ever turn up are silly anti-theists.

@@gi169 Maybe stop looking in strawmen and ask actual humans?

@@Diviance Are you a straw man, or are you an actual human? I believe I asked you where you believe this morality comes from? Perhaps you can't answer because you are a straw man.

@@gi169 I was mocking people like you and Turek with that bit. How do you not understand that?

@@Diviance Why mock, and not discuss the material? Why mock at all? If you have a solid point to make about morality then make it succinctly.

I certainly don't claim to be a good actor, nor have I considered that it would even come across that way. I'm attempting to interview a guest by asking questions. I am familiar with various arguments, but I also do genuinely learn from my guests - sometimes facts, sometimes I just learn how they would say it. It's often different than how I would say it.

@@WhatsBugginYou I think if you were upfront that you're not only a Christian but that Frank is a co-worker of yours would go a long to making this seem more honest. You and Frank both work for Summit Ministries. You casting this as "a question your students have" without also disclosing that those students are part of a faith based summer camp seems to bury the lede. There is no actual mention that this is an apologetics mission, that you're involved with the people you bring on or anything of the like. You cast this as "asking Frank a question that's been bugging you and your students." which cannot be the case. You're simply framing it to let Frank go off on his talking points and to act as a presumably non-biased person. If you're just roleplaying, you should disclose that.

@@830toAwesome I can see your perspective. Thanks for your comments. I guess I'm assuming that it's obvious to folks who have watched my videos where I'm coming from. Frank is an occasional visiting faculty member at Summit. This is a legitimate question many students have that come to us. Many are not Christians, but they are exploring. The fact that many Christians come across as arrogant and judgmental is a legit issue I have as well. Thanks again for the input.

@@WhatsBugginYou Just trying to help you be as godly as you can be. Maybe it's worth a video to address.

@@WhatsBugginYou "The fact that many Christians come across as arrogant and judgmental is a legit issue I have as well." *Such a big issue for you that you brought on one of the most publicly judgmental and arrogant Christians out there and gave him a platform. Hmm.*

💯 frank is full of double talk, he should have been a carnival barker.

Where does your morality come from though? Was it from a bunch of ancient Babylonians sitting in a cave? You say you have this morality, but you know nothing about it.

@@gi169 It is The Morality. It just is. And I agree with it.

@@gi169 And before you ask how I know about it, everyone knows about it. It is in written in the hearts and minds of all conscious beings. If you don't agree with it, you are just suppressing the truth in your immorality.

@@Diviance It just is? It's from the universe? How?

yes,, it really shows what a disgusting person frank is. apparently he speaks for god, but he's saying all the wrong things.

Greetings to you! Thanks for tuning in.

Great video! Thanks for posting ❤

@@WhatsBugginYou frank is nothing more than a two faced liar for the sake of his book sales, he's another trump christian, not even qualified to be an atheist, just using god to sell books and "justify" his bigotry. he even says it outright "it's not ME burning people alive for eternity, god demands it" he hasn't even the guts to be a bigot in public.

frank is great at double talk, i say he's a carnival act, he does card tricks with words and you fall for it. frank is why religion is disgusting, and frank is a total coward, he is using god to push his own agenda "it's not ME burning you at the stake, my god demands it," he is TOTALLY using god as an excuse to diss homosexuality and abortion and whatever else he doesn't like, god was invented to enable bullies and this is the clearest advertisement of that - god has NEVER spoken for himself, it's the animals like frank that do all god's talking.

and just a quick reminder that the first amendment conflicts with the first commandment "thou shalt worship whoever you want" and that the declaration of human rights gives ME more rights than god. and a history lesson cos the USA is a secular nation, not many people seem to know that, and the founding fathers were at best deists and certainly not christian. hitchens became a naturalised american purely because of the constitution. the UK is officially christian, the US is officially secular. is it annoying that the satanic temple has the SAME RIGHTS as the church? rights do not come from god, they come from people fighting for them.

he doesn't appear to know where rights come from. they certainly don't come from god.

I do love Frank. He proves over and over there is nothing intellectually honest about apologetics. He's a bigot who loves to yell his judgemental bull at people.

Imagine _wanting_ to be a "student of apologetics". Better known as the "art of lying for jesus".

Rosco is actually vw bug's name. This was filmed in the Colorado Springs area.

What, you think I won't just check every now and again to see if you censored me again? Typical Christian. So dishonest.

Always so easy to deny any real criticism when you can just insert a boogieman into the mix eh?

@@830toAwesome I would be careful commenting on their comments. If you push them into a corner, they will delete the comment and remake it.

@@Diviance Let em, if God's real he can see their dishonesty

@@Diviance I'm afraid it is unlikely to be the other commenter, but rather Yt itself which is hiding/removing your comments. Comments have been dysfunctional for rather a long time now.

Yeah, I think you are right in your assessment. Frank was primarily saying that a theistic worldview is necessary for objective sorts of morality claims and judgements.

@@WhatsBugginYou and he is wrong, a social dynamic is, why is a lie wrong ? you are stealing some one else from the chance of hearing true information, why is stealing wrong ? you are taking some one else effort thus hurting them in the long run, why is hurting some one else is wrong ? because people dont wanna get hurt, it always has been and always will be, even a theological framework follows the same bases, this is pathetic, even if this was some sorta god's morality that makes it subjective, god is a subject is he not ? just wow

@@WhatsBugginYou Secular ethics has plenty of arguments for objective morality devoid of theism (and they are _way_ more compelling than "God said so, therefore it is wrong" which isn't objective at all). But objective judgements? All that requires is a foundation, a goal and that is it. With those you can form objective judgements. For example, if you play Monopoly and want to win... with the foundation of the ruleset and the goal of winning, you can make moves that are objectively good to reach that goal or objectively bad. No gods required. So Frank is demonstrably wrong.

@@WhatsBugginYou I hope you realise that Prophet of Zod addressed you and your video.