Why Socrates Hated Democracy 

Yes comrade :)

@@nguyenhoanglong420 communism is cancer, you're a clown

@Timothy McCaskey Indeed, the best government for me would be the sofocracy, despite being simple if the science politics were based on that, we could have a MUCH better government

the pro of democracy is there is a vote. And the con is everyone votes. The difference is big my friend mankind are social being the minority thing and decide the rest follows

@@ADUAquascaping Indeed socialism is better

Well i think that's called freedom of speech not democracy....sure it is a part of democracy nowadays....but it isn't the same thing

Have we changed much since then? No more killings sure, but constantly bullying people will inevitably deteriorate their mental health, slowly causing them to suicide . In some ways, its worse today. I remember watching a video about two 5 year-olds fighting, and the comments were absolutely ripping into these kids and their parents. An absolute constitutional monarchy is without a doubt, the best form of governance. At least it will instill basic human decency in us.

Really? Why? Wouldn't an absolute monarchy just lead to one person having too much power? Or maybe a person who isn't fit to lead receiving it via inheritance?

@@darksecret6050 fun fact, freedom of speech is not democracy

@Imperialismo Pagano Look at all the oligarchs that govern the world.. They are well trained indeed, to serve their own interests

If intellectualism is the argument against widespread democracy, then the answer is clear. Make sure every citizen is well-educated in the ways of democracy, & not ignorant of it...!!! Start with proper funding of a quality public education system. Otherwise, we'll end up with a deplorable, wannabe dictator, with 91 criminal indictments, who says he "loves the poorly educated" because they're easy to manipulate.

"Democracy is the worst form of government apart from all of those that have tried before it" - WC

@@Hjh826"it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." This one is correct and has different meaning.

@@GiorgiTch937 meaning is the same and I couldn't remember the exact quote so I paraphrased. At the end of the day the quote still means "democracy has many flaws but it is the best option we have at the minute"

Okay gay allah worshipper. Look at P0rkstan. Is it developed without democracy?

He's right tho. The doctor best role is being a doctor, not a talker. The problem is when society appreciate the talker more, aka pay them more. It's not the political ideal that decide how good that country is for me. It's how much they pay their teacher. Corrupt people can corrupt every single form of government out there.

​@@ancy1205 as if there can be no more good doctor.

@@whitecrow20XX the doctor was not only good in skill, but also in conduct. that's why he was loved in the first place. he was literally giving free healthcare.

@@user-yv1ty1ek1l If loving-human like that doctor was that rare, humanity is surely f'd in the first place. It can be reproduced, and what use of education if it can not multiply the skilled and loving people? Your short-termism way of thinking is why the government is f'd up.

They were not being greedy, though. They were simply being logical. The other candidates were right, if he won the election, there probably wouldn't have been another doctor that could live up to him.

Moreover, they vote those who they *think* they like.

That's a good distinction. A disillusionment between self-interest and apparent self-interest.

I think that's what Socrates meant by the thought experiment of either voting for a doctor, or a candy shop owner.

Absolutely right! Trump and Bush are proof of this.☹️

i just cannot express how right your statement is

It's a nice quote, but Churchill never actually said it.

Churchill, one of the greatest genocides of the last 200 years

Churchill, one of the greatest genocides of the last 200 years

I saw very uneducated people having more wisdom and consciousness than they so called “upper class” of society. Democracy is a state of well being of all humans, independent of their education. It’s arrogance that block’s our evolution!

Do you know where it came from?

Great authentic story

Yes and in this way it motivates the system and the knowledgable people to spread the knowledge so that ignorance is reduced. Because this is the solution if the ignorance gets same weight. The other solution would be to give greater weight to the knowledgable but you increase their power and reduce even more the power deficit of the ignorant ( who already have some lack due to ignorance) and also you motivate increase of the gap by increasing the power of knowdgeable and lessen the power of the ignorant.

@@innosanto That used to work, but today spreading ignorance has never been easier. The knowledgeable are far outnumbered and easily drowned out. We live in a time where a single well-funded hit piece is enough to refute hundreds of independently researched, peer-reviewed articles. It also doesn't help when your elected Sweet Shop Owner (and his political party) constantly denigrates intellectual institutions for the sole purpose of keeping the poorly educated easily manipulated.

innosanto you present it like if it’s a bad thing to further reduce the power of ignorant people that way. Why? You know, the way democracy functions now is the way to keep everyone quiet and a little bit satisfied. I don’t think that leads to an optimal result for humanity.

I hate democracy because it has created leaders whom follow the tide. One minute they're going one way, the next they're headed in the opposite direction. FOH

@@innosanto well yes the goal should be to destroy your so called *_gap_* and encourage all to become knowledgeable.

This deserves more likes

“History tells us whenever the first few replies of a comment say “underrated underrated” , then comment is never underrated”

"write that down" -pluto

Fr people

"I'm dead, so is democracy, wait .WHY ARE YOU HERE? "- socrates

Rip Hungary

@@Barc0d3 Hungary is better off in this respect than the UK, Canada, the U.S., and quite a few other democracies.

@@Zorro9129 Are we though? Sure doesn't feel like it.

@@Barc0d3 Hungarians are experiencing typical Eastern-Bloc depression. Westerners are experiencing advanced post-structuralist depression.

perhaps Socrates came from the future and knew that logical thinking in CAPITALIST MAN is impossible....as a mortal individual who lives to accumulate money and power is not logical

I.N.D.I.A alliance manifesto is communistic, country will see downfall in economy even crisis like 1991 if they came in power.

and in today's México during presidential and parlamentary elections

Stop blaming ayodah and try to understand the reason behind their action. ​@@arshjordan5455

​@@arshjordan5455before putting blame on ayodah , try to understand the reason behing their action

​@@mariaelenareynaldos-estrad2591 The new president is the best candidate. So her win is a win for democracy. Something Mexico lacks. 💧

Anyone who attached themselves to some political party Or extreme ideology will never understand politics, except the politicians who do it of course

@@alice_in_wonderland42 Like the video said, people who are allowed to vote but uneducated will only be tricked and fooled choosing the corrupted before the one that can change and save the country

people on Twitter make me lose braincells

@@alice_in_wonderland42 absolutely agreed, 100%

it really sucks because no one actually thinks this is valid, when in reality it is

Spoil Something large group of stupid people can destroy everything around them but can’t solve a problem. Majority of the people must be controlled by minor intellectual group.

Huseyn Hasanov majority of people controlled by small group of intellectuals was called soviet union, turns out 10000 of the smartest (maybe) people in that country could not manage what hundreds of millions did naturally in their daily lives before, eonomic productivity, and because of that failure they collapsed. If you can design a system that has such little power that a group of autocrats can run it, and not overtake freedoms of the governed, well wed be in 1808 or something such.

Goth Floss Josh Soviet Union collapsed because of the wrong economical ideology. The economy of the world depends on the Capitalism and only better ideology can replace it. The Soviet Union was controlled by dictators, not a small group of smartest people. Also majority of the people just eat, drink, work and sleep. They live like an ant. All of them must work on their own department because they are mastered on their own speciality not on politics and management of country.

Huseyn Hasanov My point was you cant sum down all of life to a few intelligent people at the top, and about your point about dictators, there were countless bureaucracies with heads of those but all worked towards the same vision of killing or imprisoning opposition and maintaining power through fear. Ministry of entertainment, Ministry of organization, countless ministries, with their own heads. The head of state was simply the most powerful among them, it isn't like his power wasn't divided amongst his own government. Majority of people being economically productive leads to shit like us arguing with iPhones over RU-vid. Imagine saying that sentence 20 years ago. No one would have a fucking clue. A small group of intellectuals might have quite literally made both RU-vid and the iPhone, but the entire market and it's incentives were where it took place, and the market contains every human who participates in it.

@@immaculatesquid If leaders are using the fear, they are bad leaders that who uses religion, political ideology and etc. The intellectuals who controls the country must choose the best decisions for the future of everyone but you can't make everybody happy and give them comfortable life. As I understand you also say that some intellectuals should work on the development of technology and etc. I totally agree with this argument. Intellectual should work on different departments.

Democracy depends how you apply... you may not let ignorant to Vote... but offer them to get educated minimally to earn the right to Vote! Be advise that the Democracy is not what the Sociopathic Elite tell you about it. They are selling you an Oligarchic System as if it is "democratic" System. Din anybody (any professors of social "science") tell you about Pseudo-democracy?!

'The lamb' being the propertied elites whom Franklin and his fellow 'founding fathers' wanted to protect from the unwashed masses!

@@davidparry5310 I see you are unread. For without Such as these 'elites', there would only have been 'unwashed masses' as you put them. These men were made 'great' by the thankful masses who recognized that without their rising to the occasion, there would have been no Great new nation. Nothing near the level of freedom by which to exploit this country to the point of allowing communistic venues such as this one; upon which many an indoctrinated fool perches to crow against those who were willing to give all so that we might know peace for a meaningful measure. Asinine and uninformed slander against the founding brothers of this nation is why, in part, those like yourself will never be remembered and they will always be. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, and ours has been subcontracted to oblivion... But alas, such has been the way of all great nations. The last one of us be sure and blowout the candle on the Mantle...

@@techstuf4637 RU-vid, owned by a transnational corporation, is communist? Yeah, I think we're done here. You're obviously too much of a fruitloop to be taken seriously.

Debating

@@davidparry5310 You wouldn't know a transnational if it bit you on the arse. Although, now that I think about it, I wouldn't take that bet. Ok, NOW we're done here... 🧐

aka low information voters

Well, I suppose he was against the way democracy has been implemented, that is the ability for all to vote with not enough safeguards to minimize uninformed voting. But yeah, pretty much what you said lol.

democracy always favors concentrated interest groups. they have the power and incentive to mobilize while a dispersed public is Ill informed and lack incentives or even successfully get bamboozled by the special interest groups and their sophistry

OK but is it worse than the corrupt high information voters? I agree with rhe ship analogy but what is the solution? Should political science be mabadory in public schools? How do we property educate the masses and who is in charge of carriculum.

Given the scope of power it's impossible to have a truly informed voter base.

He doesnt blame the government. He blames the people.

"So join my cult instead"

@@__-yz1ob based

I was looking for this comment 😂👌

Actually you are right and wrong at the same time. In democracy citizens are fooled not because they are retarded but simply because the democrats do it in a smart ways. People who want to have freedom of speech like opressed people or gay people will love democracy because it lets them be who they are without consequences but on the other side its the democrats who still decides their fates so whenever they decide to give u freedom u get it and if they decide not to you will not have it

A funny quote, but technically then, that would be the MEDIAN person, not the average. It also assumes that there is an equal number of people above and below that line. Sadly, more than half the population is likely stupider than that, as those above the line include many higher (but not outlying) numbers that offset the average further per capita. Just sayin.

Carlin was an atheist , they don't come dumber than that

@@ethanwilliams1880TECHNICALLY, median is a form of average, and since the original commenter did not explicitly say mean (which is what I believe you are referring to), then you could interpret this as the median

@@ethanwilliams1880If the difference above and below average are equal, median and average are also equal. Pretty sure median IQ is equal to average IQ.

​​@@Rsconquestmedian IQ is not always equal to average IQ.(for a group, on world scale your statement is indeed correct. However in this context we are talking about a country, which is just a group and not the world total) For example, if five people have IQs- 80, 69, 100, 150 ,175 Then the median is 100 But the average is 114.8

Too much democracy for the Philippines

The Philippines was the colony of the usa.

Technically the US occupied the Philippines for about fifty years, starting with taking it from Spain and releasing it to be independent in the 1940s. Probably the biggest cultural impact the US had was making Tagalog the primary local language among all the different variations in the islands.

Jason Strom obviously uneducated people that vote is not a good thing but what’s your plan?

@Jason Strom A portion of the people can be whatever they want it's the majority that interests you... Because it's democracy...

Thanks for that. Hate is a really strong word and often used incorrectly. Pointing out the flaws in a system hardly connotes hate

And who decides who is educated or not? There is much to be learned outside of schools as well. In many cases it avoids indoctrination. Just because the masses are stupid doesn't mean anyone has the right to silence them.

@@daanvanrijn4117 Stupid is one thing uneducated is another. There are numerous ways to measure the quality of the educational system.

The masses ONLY know of bread and circuses. Nothing more.

Dakoder II so true lol but sad and pathetic

But who gives right to anyone to define a 'average voter'?

We WaNt To LeAvE tHe Eu Oh help my country

Trinayana Kaushik 1/2 the people you meet are below average. George Carlin

😂

Mizo?

@@biebersucks27 yes

Ok

"I never said that" -Probably Socrates

Democracy is cancer. Republics are better

Oh thank god!! You’ve somewhat restored my faith! Educate the electorate? Nah, let’s go for tyranny instead. Oops, I’m meant benevolent tyranny.

@@mymathmind democracy always leads to authoritarianism. Our Education was made solely for the purpose of indoctrination

Black Knight 😂

@@mymathmind look up the origins of education in the west

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Who actually "picks" them? It ain't the average voter! They're given two choices by the systems of bureaucracy within the two major parties, of which are funded and controlled by oligarchs who work to protect the status quo and give the false impression of choice.

Or, the options for leader are always very bad...

@@andrebona and somehow people still vote for them. That’s kinda the point, don’t vote for someone just cause they’re running

this quote made my day

That is true...it does not work because idiots vote. If voting is done by intelligent minority it would came to our understanding that voting foes not work. All politicians are just corporate and interest groups pawns.

@@kvarnerinfoTV The thing about modern democracy that there are many problems when it's comes to elections. Sometimes people just choose the minority group that chooses for us.

Oh Jesus. Twain didn't say or write this either. Here's a clue for the future. If you EVER see a quote attributed to someone, AND it doesn't cite where, when, etc that the quote was made, it is most likely incorrect and/or misattributed.

@@g1a1r1y3 This one I did research myself but thanks for your contribution :)

Ah, so that's why it is always said that he "chose" death. ^^'

That's badass

He sure showed them

Can you send me your thesis? It sounds really interesting. Thanks

@@fourfundamentals210 I did it ten years ago so i dont have it saved anywhere! General gist was talking about the susceptability and toxicity of moral panics within democratic systems. I compared it to the Mccarthy Trials in the US as a 20th century example of how history repeats itself in this regard. Plato, who was a student of Socrates and has written most of what we know about him, would go on to write one of the most influential books in human history: The Republic, and he did it using a fictional Socrates talking to random Athenians to articulate his arguments. Its not only a nice homage to his teacher but also shows how Athens went on to regret its action over Socrates, since Plato went on to be so revered in the city he would found an academy in the city that would survive hundreds of years

"Plagarism is the sincerest form of flattery," so it is said. It follows that the converse would be "Incorrect plagarism is the most insincere form of flattery."

Lol

😂 I love it!

"I wonder what this Bitcoin thing does" -Adolf Hitler, 1931 CE

Ha ha __ayatollah khomeini 1974

The current PM was a sweet shop owner.

hahhahha , now i want to watch that whole George Carlin bit

We should lead the WORLD by scientists, or better, an omniscient AI. Everything should be decidet to the best of everyone and the rise of humanity itself, regardeless of the opinion of the people, which think, that many good things or ideas are bad. The humanity is now like a toddler, we need radical changes to grow to a wise adult. To the public, many of those changes are apparently nonesense, horrific, dumb or just bad. That leads us to the current situation. Politics is an ongoing fight for staying on the top, therefore politicains DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT ANYTHING, which is not directly affecting thmselfes, the ONLY REASON politicians seem to care is because they don't want to lose public sopport or even cause a scandal led by the peak of mount stupid (Dunning Kruger effect). Of course this system gives us basic rights, we should be glad of having, because nearly everyone agrees in having freedom of speech, freedom of movement , human rights, press freedom and so on. But the biggest flaw of this whole system is the reliance of nearly any big, important decission on the collective approval of a majority of the public, which usually has no idea of nearly anything, especially something that complicated to make REAL changes. Therefore the public gets it wrong very often, which leads to the fear of losing the next election, because of a public outcry, even though of making a good decission. And therefore they make bad decissions, which the gerneral public thinks are good, just to stay on the top. Really bad problems can't be solved like that. The reason why we have different jobs is, that everybody makes that, what he can do best. Sadly politics dosn't work like that. Everyone can make decissions, wheather they should or shouldn't.

@@arctrix765 You want a 'Benevolent Dictatorship' - I'm all for it too.. sick of self-serving narcs in grubberment

@@adammacer Yeah, but despite this, there should never be a dictatorship, brcause the danger of someone ruining it for all is too high

"Everyone could become a leader and i want it" -some clowns-

That definitely is the case in the US (and the UK and also countries like Russia) but in countries where democracy isn't structurally flawed (I'd argue in the Netherlands where I'm from), the candysellerproblem definitely exists too.

The DNC made sure there Sweet Shop Owner was going to kick out Docter Sanders, that's for sure

philiponify everyone is a candy seller the only question who is the worst

Ricther Belmont Rand Paul is the doctor Sanders is the delusional old man pretending to be Santa Clause

agree. Sometimes we have to choose between a turd sandwich or a giant douche.

Underrated comment AF

Got this quote from my Pastor named Geneha Kim, I think I got this when he teached history.

@@11stemgen1dinoeldinjr.d.de8 That pastor "teached" you "histroy"?

@@olchat2012 yes, I think the title was history of Real Bible Believers, when Satan covered up all faces of possibilities (Conscience, Science, School, Government etc.) for us not to be saved.

@@11stemgen1dinoeldinjr.d.de8 what’s a pastor?

The chances are basically the same to win the lottery as to have your vote actually matter (winning by a single vote margin).

When in doubt, always go back to Twain 😂👍

@@mikitz That's a pretty simplistic way to think about vote mattering.

@@TeamPill The best jokes are based on reality (I'm not saying that one was really that great, though).

@@mikitz No votes matter.

Why ? And if in democracy majority will not decide than who will ? This will make mockery of the democracy

@@sanketkumar8040 majority of people in olden days said earth is flat, only Galileo says it ia round. So by your implication, earth must be flat Because majority said so... If 99 % people say 1+1= 3 and only 1% says 1+1=2. Which one would be correct according to your logic?

@@badapjiedkylla1899 i agree with you i hate democracy. But the other ways of running the country can create chaos mass killing like in China . Even a revolt today in such countries can lead to very high destruction of that nation . I don't see any other way.

@@sanketkumar8040 yes very true. Democracy may not be the perfect system of government but it is the best available out there till date..

亗ApØLoGïSt FøR GØD亗 not for india though... There are just too many ignorant people... Democracy leads to big problems when it comes to a diverse country like india... The guys pitch in religion and the game of politics reaches another level

The greatest age in human history in terms of progress, technology, science and living. Seems pretty good

Twittards are authoritarians disguised as democrats and liberals.

Democratic*

@@nandhakishor103 Very aptly put 👏

@@nandhakishor103 Authoritarianism can be very useful sometimes.

@@talisdorman.9796 You mean twittards are useful?

@Smoke’Em If ya Gott’em If you’re referring to Democrats and Republicans that’s just not true.

@@-hydro ignorance, case and point. objectively, it is true.

This is basically America

This is Democrats Liberal , always talking about democracy, and fighting for Democracy.

@Smoke’Em If ya Gott’em you're confusing the party with the people. People always align themselves in groupings whether it's political, religious, whatever. We gravitate to like minded people. The difference is in America, there is a shared national identity that helps the great melting pot be the best system ever created. Until corruption from people holding DIRECTLY OPPOSING ideology's of any kind, like (* and communism subvert the system from the inside. America isn't broken. The system is the best that's ever existed. The problem is and always will be people in general. NO MATTER TERM LIMITS, HOW MANY PARTY'S OR ANYTHING ELSE. CORRUPTIOIN AND SUBVERSION.

Alexander Petrohv yepp

Yep education is all about competition and not collaboration. Like Finland

Alexander Petrohv How exactly?

Hear, hear!

That can only happen if uneducated people think it's important. I.e. never.

Who said this? A fool?

To a degree.

Gumla Socrates said this

explains a lot

Are just men ,not perfect like all humans you might have problems with omnipotence and perfectionism.let god be perfect we re not we just need to improve for better

Trust in Dog assuming you live in the United States, I’m just assuming based off your experience with your teacher, it’s not even a democracy it’s a republic. That’s why the pledge of allegiance says “and to the republic for which it stands”

@@mariedemers9839 However, Socrates' argument still holds true because American representatives' decisions and policies are crafted to align with the opinions of their constituents.

Its ridiculous the reaction people have if you speak against democracy. Its become completely sacred, almost a religion, whilst its clearly failing in some areas due to the problems Socrates predicted. Democray has only ever lasted a relatively short time when its been used before and its arrogant for people to think it will automatially survive eternally now, or that the system could not be improved by introducing more meritocacy.

And what did he say to shame you?

And criminality was nothing to do with Socrates' ideas around who should be able to vote.

And that's still a stretch in Murica.

I don't think he can make them think. But, it was a good trick to say that though😉

@@lgv3051 he can make 1 out of a 1000 think ..that is a seed 😉... seed of hope

Ok

In Plato's The Republic he says that the Academy should not teach people what to think, but rather how to think. Schools today teach rote learning, not critical thinking skills.

why does the population need to be well educated and informed?

@@tonyisnotdead so they can make good choices, and know the difference of who actually wants to make things better and who's playing fuck fuck games

@@jamelioful can you explain exactly what a good choice is and what information one would need to be educated on to be qualified to vote? also, i don't think that there would be a significant drop of politically gullible people given everyone is educated on the information you think is necessary. plus, emotions often get in the way of logic and people's emotions often contribute to decisions

@@tonyisnotdead never said anyhting about be qualified LOL... a good choice is an informed one... everybody will see the world different, and all media is bias by design... there is no single source that i can say is the" GO TO".. if someone wants to learn the truth about a topic , law or anyhting else... all they gotta do research it. state and local governments do not want people thinking for themselves

@@jamelioful a qualification is an education if said education was required for a certain activity, such as voting. you directly say that democracy is only the justified form of government IF the population is educated. you can't say that a good choice is an informed one because any choice can be an informed choice, and you also need to decide the amount of informed required to make a choice good and what authority would decide that. i asked for the information you required voters to be educated on to be qualified. are you even able to list out every topic you require? why would i consider your worldview if you can't be specific about what you require voters to know?

Your dad's right

Your dad is right

Your dad's from the right

@@elkevinski ?

The definition of stupid can change based on the whims of each individual; then if a law were to be made saying a set group of people were unqualified based on factors they may not be able to change ever, then those people get orchestrated and slowly dehumanised. Better idea: just give the best education possible to all and hope for the best; or invent mind control and give the reins over to the most morally stable people.

Add my boi Putin to it.

A good x is better than a bad y

I disagree!

i.e. china

I agree, if democracy not managed carefully, foreign powers have a chance of controlling yhe government.

What does that mean ?

@@hamzah1694 Search for weighted averages

It is basically an average where each element's contribution is weighted. Your normal average is in fact a weighted average where all weights are equal. So it is a generalization of normal averages. The weights can also be called factors, coefficients, parameters or simply "multiplicity", as is, a vote of weight 2 counts as 2 votes.

I get it. Thats how them “dumb-minion” machines works.

It is not weighted but weighed

Right.. I was so glad someone finally pointed it out.

don't blame if education system is bad, people have to educate themselfs as well education system is just part of it and not all.

We should lead the WORLD by scientists, or better, an omniscient AI. Everything should be decidet to the best of everyone and the rise of humanity itself, regardeless of the opinion of the people, which think, that many good things or ideas are bad. The humanity is now like a toddler, we need radical changes to grow to a wise adult. To the public, many of those changes are apparently nonesense, horrific, dumb or just bad. That leads us to the current situation. Politics is an ongoing fight for staying on the top, therefore politicains DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT ANYTHING, which is not directly affecting thmselfes, the ONLY REASON politicians seem to care is because they don't want to lose public sopport or even cause a scandal led by the peak of mount stupid (Dunning Kruger effect). Of course this system gives us basic rights, we should be glad of having, because nearly everyone agrees in having freedom of speech, freedom of movement , human rights, press freedom and so on. But the biggest flaw of this whole system is the reliance of nearly any big, important decission on the collective approval of a majority of the public, which usually has no idea of nearly anything, especially something that complicated to make REAL changes. Therefore the public gets it wrong very often, which leads to the fear of losing the next election, because of a public outcry, even though of making a good decission. And therefore they make bad decissions, which the gerneral public thinks are good, just to stay on the top. Really bad problems can't be solved like that. The reason why we have different jobs is, that everybody makes that, what he can do best. Sadly politics dosn't work like that. Everyone can make decissions, wheather they should or shouldn't.

@@arctrix765 Didn't read because your first sentence is cringe

@@TwizzElishus And you are exactly the reason why democracy is flawed

@François Miville Feeling entitled whilst being uneducated is worse.

@François Miville so, people should be dumb-asses?

​@François Miville Because there is a difference between being truly educated and just learning facts through school without any idea about where these facts come from, but also because they don't teach us about the importance of tolerance, moral, and that feeling superior to others actually is more a weakness than a strength. It is important to focus in math and science, yes it is, but also is important to focus in healing one of the biggest cancers about western culture: "Pedantry and complex of superiority,", otherwise we are not truly educated.

François Miville no. Educated people are not worse. Uneducated people are FARRRRR more entitled. No question.

Education machine broke

Better than an oligarchy where its 5 people telling 95 what to do

@@gninja92 5 experienced people in economy or politology againts 95 unexperienced ? Just wanted to put slightly different angle, I don’t support oligarchy.

Good thing we live in a republic.

@@DeVanHelmoski A Republic is not far from democracy's problem either. Yes Dumb people will elect more skilled and educated people. But they elect to represent what they want. Dumb Greedy people will elect smarter people that promises to serve their greed. Let's look at the US for example, we know we need to get spending under control but that means we need to give up our greed. Smart people who know what's right such as cutting social security and Medicare to reduce spending will usually never get elected to make that change in Congress. Thats because Americans dont want to give it up because we are greedy and want "free" shit. Because of the way Americans think our Republican system will doom us once our debt gets high enough we go bankrupt, the dollar will crash and anarchy will engulf the US. Because America seems to get dumber and dumber our Democratic System will lead us to our eventual demise. The end of the American Republic is near.

@William Henderson *leech

Excellent point.

exactly why Caitlyn Jenner is a great possibility for being elected in California. because of her unprecedented qualifications of: 1 being a celebrity 2 being a woman with a dong....

@@triplem5770AND MONEEEY

Is celebrity a measure of character? All I know the former and the latter are people and people are flawed. Don't worry, no one cares! Take the shot, left or right arm, it's for your safety. We are the scientists and philosophers, we know what is best!

@@mattja52 Are you redirecting or something? We are talking about someone who studied and research vs someone who is famous. Not human flaws.

The best thing to do is recognize that we are and improve whatever state we are in.

@@howtorooms3621 Kingdoms lead by priest kings are better. Let the wise Druids lead not the crying feminist and spineless politicians

@@ADUAquascaping XD

It's like a loop really

I AM SMART because I DO NOT VOTE! I have no idea what they stand for because I have yet to educate myself about politics. So, I have all the right to claim I do not belong to the sheep.

May be there should be test conducted which signifies how much person knows about politics and leaders and something like that & people who qualifies them should be consider for vote.

@@roh9934 How would such a test look like in practice? With such tests, you are always in danger of injecting ideology. When for example religious fanatics create and review the test, they can design it in such a way that only people who agree that a theocracy is the right thing are allowed to vote. Or do you simply have to show that you know who the current leaders are and what the positions are each party stands for? Even this would be hard to do. Parties often have pages after pages of their positions before an election. Do potential voters have to know each point for each party? Here in Germany, we could vote for more than 40 different parties. That would mean such a huge time investment that only people with a lot of spare time would be allowed to vote. A country ruled by retired people and people who are rich not due to their own work (because an entrepreneur would not have enough time with all his work running the business) but maybe sold their company already and live off that money or even just inherited it? Or people who do not work at all and live off welfare? Or savants with perfect memories? But simply knowing something by heart does not equal understanding, does it? Or is it enough to be able to tell the basic ideas so that you do not have to learn by heart every party's program? But this opens it up for ideological influence again. Or will you limit the number of allowed candidates/ parties? What else do you need to know about the system? And again, do you simply have to know the stuff by heart? Those tests might sound good in theory but the real question one has to answer is how exactly it should look like.

Well, Plato does infact outlined the procedure to do the same in his book

@@nomichaudary92 Not really, at least not in a feasible way. He outlines in length what the philosophers should know and how they should be to be considered for the education process and what they should learn but the fundamental problem who decides is not solved at all. The process is described in a very passive way and focused on the students without mentioning the teachers. The only thing he offers is for philosophers to take over a city and send everybody who is too old to be indoctrinated away. This is something that would not work in practice. And it would still not solve the problem of the first philosopher king necessary. There were lots of rulers who thought their ideas would be the ones to improve everything. That is in fact the difference between totalitarians and mere autocrats. For ordinary despots it is enough that you obey, what you think doesn't really matter. Totalitarians want to change how people think. So one might search for a Plato but end up with a Hitler, Stalin or Mao instead. Honestly, I would not have assumed that people proposing something likes this would want to do it exactly like Plato wrote. He wanted to force people who to breed with for example. And don't forget that Plato just talks about a city and starts from a less complex system (and I would argue even that was already too complex to just do what he proposes and basically throw most of the population out). And I strongly oppose that his ideas would be more moral which was his whole reason to start it in the first place. His writings are of a strong religious/mystic nature. So we have to ask those who do propose something similar how they want to bring it about in the current state and what elements of his ideal they want to take. As I said I was assuming nobody would be foolish enough to take his writings as something that can be taken as a manual to transform a modern society and just as a basic input.

F.C Laukhard exactly

- ❗️PLEASE READ ALL❗️👍✌️You may be surprised to hear that the word “Democracy” does not appear in the Declaration Of Independence or the US Constitution, or in any of the Constitutions of the 50 states. The founding fathers did everything that they could to keep us from having a democracy. James Madison in the federalist papers said, “ democracy’s have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in there lives, as they have been violent in there deaths.” Alexander Hamilton said...” real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy.” The founders had good reason to look upon democracy with contempt. Because, they Knew of the democracy’s produced in the early Greek city states where in every case they ended up with mob rule then anarchy and then tyranny under an oligarchy. During that period in Greece there was a man who urged creation of a fixed body of law not subject to the majority whims. The Romans adopted that man ideas, in which they created the 12 tables of the Roman law and in affect built a Republic that limited government power and left the people alone. Rome became wealthy and the envy of the word. However, it’s people forgot that “the essence of freedom is the proper limitations of government”. Once the Romans dropped there guard, power seeking politicians began to exceed the powers granted them in the Roman constitution. Some learned that they could elect politicians who would use government power to take property from some and give it to others. Benjamin Franklin said, “ When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of our republic.” Agriculture subsidies were introduced, followed by housing and welfare programs. Inevitably taxes rose and Controls over the private sector were imposed. Soon a number of Rome’s producers could no longer make ends meet. Productivity declined, shortages developed and mobs began roaming the streets demand bread and other things from the government. However, there was no food to give since producers stoped producing .Many were induced to trade freedom for security. Eventually the whole system came crashing down.They went from a republic to a democracy and ended up with an oligarchy under the progression of the Caesars. There are really only two true forms of government, Oligarchy, and a Republic. Monarchy doesn’t exist in the practical sense in which it’s always a group that puts one of its members up front.(oligarchy is the most popular form of government in history!). Anarchy doesn’t exist because it’s just a transition, like like a vacuum, in which it brings in an oligarchy. Democray come from (demos Kratein) which means people rule; which mean MAJORITY RULE. As I already stated Democracy doesn’t really exist because it always goes from mob rule to anarchy and finally tyranny under an oligarchy. The word Republic however, comes from the Latin words , (res) meaning THING and (Publica) meaning PUBLIC. It means the public thing, THE LAW!. The key is in preventing a republic from getting to a mob ruled democracy, like what happens in the Roman Republic. The United States Republic is following the same fate as the Roman Republic. The only two true forms of government are , an Oligarchy and a Republic. When Benjamin Franklin exited the Constitutional Convention he was asked by a woman, “ sire, have you given us a monarchy(oligarchy) or a Republic.?” Benjamin Franklin answered, “A Republic ma’am, if you can keep it.”

i wonder if republicans think thats what they represent still (a republic). as far as i remember from what i learned, republicans and democrats used to be vice versa to what they are now. thus the trouble with words.

Where else have I heard that name? Oh yeah Muslims fabricated a Quote (Reference) and a Book (which doesn't exist) claiming he spoke good of Muhammad and Islam: Many of them still believe it is true.

@@theislamophobicprophet5718 what are you talking about !

@@Ryma907 George Bernard Shaw

smart guy: talks about something people disagree free speech: adios

Makes you think

Athens did not offer universal suffrage tho...

However, something doesn't add up in this video. In Ancient Greece only a very small portion of the population got to vote. For starters, slaves could not vote, and they were above 50% of all people in Greece. Women also couldn't vote, and check this out, uneducated people also could not vote, only male adults who had gone through citzenship education could vote.

@@nerdienew911 The sad story of Jordan Peterson

lmao

truu

Lol

@@spacebarbarian._ because the world isn’t meant to be some dry ass place where you take everything so seriously all the time. It’s a meaningless RU-vid comment lighten up

@@spacebarbarian._ why do you degrade the image of important figures of history and their important citings just because you want to make a joke? atleast do this in a normal manner. -Some mf who can't take jokes

Hey hey hey show some respect he is a Ancient Greek Philosopher not a rapper he’s a GENIUS

@@eyadob2395 Only rappers use words?

@@bohemiangod3658 I mean I don’t like the word in general but rappers use it more often

@@eyadob2395 Shit? Everybody says that.

@@bohemiangod3658 I agree with you but i just don’t like this word used a a joke and targeting historical people

Doesn't make sense

Example: IF you went to court for a crime, and you were GUILTY, but YOUR Attorney told the best LIE; THEN, you would be found NOT guilty! So, the truth does NOT matter; ONLY who tells the best LIE!

These lawyers were also known as sophists.

Socrates was right. Lawyers are little more than paid charlatans

That's interesting, because Socrates was Greek.

What about no government?

What part of "except for all the other forms" don't you understand?

Death. Lots of death.

You and everyone who liked your comment should rethink the whole proposition, the idea of democracy is not confronted at all, the part that is questioned is the implementation, having a vote without dedication is a danger to us all, just like you wouldn't let someone drive a car or have a gun without properly engaging in the appropriate knowledge and obligations. I'm very glad the school of life brought this topic, I always try to propose alternatives to the current form of democracy or at least bring up this interesting, often misunderstood and forgotten topic, funny enough I always receive the same quote from Churchill, which reveals a failure of proper understanding.

Churchill was right about many thing but not that often wrong, a man worth quoting indeed.

Wow thats pretty mind opening

Nicely framed dialogue.

@@roshnikarai2555 Well the question is what is the alternative... Who will these so called "specialists" be when it comes politics? Most politicians are rotten anyway. You think having politicians voted by politicians instead of the people will make things better? Politics are corruptible in it's nature no matter what system you use.

@@Yourebeautyfull i liked your comment but still I do have an opinion of the fact that there might be some option of corrections. Tried and experiences of practicing democracy have given us some flaws among many goods. Despite of having pro Democratic ideology i should be optimistic as there are lots of democratically elected leaders who are optioned just for their name and not for the ideas they hold. They turns to autocratic way of functioning.

@@Yourebeautyfull that's one intriguing point, because how do you choose who has a say in the governance then as you mentioned Men are corruptable. The senate system didn't work for Roman Republic and Monarchy/ Dictatorship is just not an option, everything comes down to French Revolution how every for of governance failed there and as the time goes on we see cracks in Democracy. The question is really complex and there isn't an answer

I agree with Socrates, we need to get rid of these tricky politicians. We have the internet - people can be directly reflected. By the way, a governor is not supposed to "lead" a ship. They're supposed to be in charge of menial bureaucratic tasks like transit and zoning. If a people in an area don't want to live a certain way - or do - the idea is that a representative government doesn't force itself on the people as hard as a non-representative government, so they can live as they want. What government really is, from monarchies to today's reformulated form of "democracy", are the small group of the most powerful imposing their will over the world and it's peoples. All the actual good government does us as far as organization of our people goes, is easily automated by government workers. Us. This includes swaths of politicians - I'd hardly call them the ones in power. They're just as likely to be employed as you are - in fact more likely, it takes a lot of money to become a successful politician.

@@dialatedmcd So you think people are not misled by rumors on the internet? The media by which people get information is not the issue. The issue is most people don't use their brain and get misled easily.

​@@binshuo ​ @Binshuo Hu Ah, that's not quite what my point was but... interesting nonetheless, I'll bite.

But we must defend our democracy and elect a whamen President.

Current situation of India due to bjp government

No respect

Maybe he was the impostor

This.....this is the problem with Democracy

what is happening there?

@@miquelcanosasanteularia1678 People's vote on the basis of religion , caste .. Not the real issues like clean water , nice roads , electricity ,health care ...

same as korea

@Vikram Keskar sadly, you are right

@Vikram Keskar true. Democracy is counter productive because of dumb ass bitches like you having a say in anything just because you have a nominally functional brain. you are responsible for the end of civilization.

For a functioning Democracy, Education of Electorate (Vote casting people, 18 yrs n old. College students are most ideal candidates) is must. - Thomas Jefferson

yet even all people are well informed，there is no assurance they make right desicions

johan qian ah I believe your opinion might be rooted in the old capitalist/fascist “human nature” fallacy. Humans are a product of their environment, we are not born “good” or “evil”, we are blank slates.

Shit Storm yes I do. “Fascism” is defined as “the merging of state and private power” (to consolidate power and gain control over a given society). In other words the inevitable conclusion of capitalism, as evidenced by casually observing any capitalist economic system since 2500BC (when capitalism/private ownership was invented). P.S Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information when it comes to sensitive subjects like this (I’m assuming you read a false pseudo-definition on there)

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