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Why Some People Turn to Religion (and Others Don't) 

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This video explores the psychology of religion, beliefs and why some people turn to religion while other people don't. Based on several empirical studies.
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@brettmatthews8061
@brettmatthews8061 Месяц назад
Religions emerged when almost no one was literate, life expectancy among ordinary people rarely exceeded 50, and couples would have 5-7 children so half would survive to adulthood. Tragedy was everywhere in life, and religion was a valuable coping mechanism. Religion still thrives in places like that.
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
Right on.
@madoldmanyelling6420
@madoldmanyelling6420 Месяц назад
Well, the USA doesn't fit the description, but there religion also thrives.
@zaphodrahja
@zaphodrahja Месяц назад
Also explained weather phenomena and natural disasters.
@Jesusblowsme666
@Jesusblowsme666 Месяц назад
​@@madoldmanyelling6420it does in some places of America, not only that, but religious institutions use it as a means to control the masses
@cyrus3316
@cyrus3316 Месяц назад
Most ppl in the us are atheist or just non religious ​@@madoldmanyelling6420
@Farmingdaneo
@Farmingdaneo 2 месяца назад
"People do not choose to be atheist, they realize they are." That's exactly how it happened to me. It was kind of weird how I went from religious to atheist as soon as I heard of the concept of atheism.
@miquelr2353
@miquelr2353 2 месяца назад
Thats very weird.. The concept of atheism? The concept of Not believing in something? How do you need to discover that.. you either believe the stories, or you dont...
@kiwi007
@kiwi007 2 месяца назад
After being brought up a Catholic, going through the school system, etc; bringing my children up in it, after a terrible event in my life, I saw all of it for what it was. Mainly seeing firstly how insincere the majority of people were, then questioning the belief system and finally seeing my truth. You can't unsee it once you realise the truth, even though it was in some ways comforting at the time to believe.
@dwaneanderson8039
@dwaneanderson8039 2 месяца назад
@@miquelr2353 Many children grow up in a religious bubble, where they are taught that literally everyone believes in God. Discovering that there are people that don't believe in God at all can be a big eye opener.
@miquelr2353
@miquelr2353 2 месяца назад
@@dwaneanderson8039 well sure you can believe in God. But questions must arise from stories like noahs ark, questions with no logical answers for its validity
@shassarahaman5247
@shassarahaman5247 2 месяца назад
​@@kiwi007yep. It can't be unseen once seen.
@patrickbateman6080
@patrickbateman6080 Месяц назад
They say that religion is what gives people a moral compass which is ironic because a lot of religious people are extremely selfish and the reason why they do “good deeds” is to earn their way into heaven and feel good about themselves
@ryuk9414
@ryuk9414 Месяц назад
oh the irony
@ObservingChristian
@ObservingChristian Месяц назад
This is true hypocrites all as Jesus would say however there is good faith
@sandor_ue
@sandor_ue Месяц назад
I mean look at our society nowadays… Everyone only looks out for themselves and seemingly nobody cares about one another anymore… I‘d say many “religious” people are far from being better but usually the ones who have real faith tend to actually try to be a better person 👀 And what should be wrong with that?🤔
@Teddy-ke6xh
@Teddy-ke6xh Месяц назад
However without a religion you can’t a live out moral objectivity because there is no standard that stays consistent. For example society is always changing, slavery was cool a bit ago relative to how long this world has been around.
@patrickbateman6080
@patrickbateman6080 Месяц назад
@@Teddy-ke6xh No doubt religion has outlined societal norms and values for centuries however as an atheist i can say i am moral and that comes inherent to me biologically and with logic too. Why would i not randomly kill someone on the street? Because as a consequence i would get caught (example of law controlling us) and pay with years of my life and with heavy guilt. Most importantly, i know to myself it’s WRONG because that person has a right to live as i do, no matter who they are atheist or not. That said,the bible approves of slavery, owning black people was once considered moral, not anymore, see, we don’t need religion to distinguish between what’s right and wrong using the example you gave ne
@markhaunert5029
@markhaunert5029 2 месяца назад
Did anyone else feel the story just didn't sound right even as a young child.???
@rimbusjift7575
@rimbusjift7575 2 месяца назад
The first shred of doubt I heard from an adult made me realize I wasn't alone. A few months later I interrupted my kindergarten teacher's reading of Noah's Ark to ask if "anyone ACTUALLY believes in this nonsense?". I literally thought that it was what they were waiting to hear. Like I was going to be scooped up and sent to the advanced program, or something. Ah, good times.
@markhaunert5029
@markhaunert5029 2 месяца назад
@@rimbusjift7575 wow kindergarten beat me. ✌️
@mavrosyvannah
@mavrosyvannah 2 месяца назад
As a HFA, religion s torture. The existence of compulsive liars is torture. Typically, geniuses like myself just kill ourselves because religion is proof of mass psychosis and intentional anti truth.
@einienj3281
@einienj3281 2 месяца назад
Yup. I have never believed in gods. I believed in Santa, bc Santa brought presents.. then I learned my parents were acting as Santa. That was the end of my supernatural beliefs.
@rodprops
@rodprops 2 месяца назад
I doubted these "god claims" way back in the early 80's as a lil kid, It didn't make sense to me. I was threatened numerous times by my ABUSIVE, female legal guardian to "never question god", or get my face smacked or my butt whooped. 😡🚩🚩👎👎
@Lordidude
@Lordidude 2 месяца назад
As long as people are afraid of death, religion will always be around.
@markhaunert5029
@markhaunert5029 2 месяца назад
Exactly. It was the greatest con job ever invented.
@Lordidude
@Lordidude 2 месяца назад
@markhaunert5029 Religion wasn't "invented". It evolved.
@markhaunert5029
@markhaunert5029 2 месяца назад
@@Lordidude ok. How about it evolved after it was invented.
@user-wx6pf2bc2r
@user-wx6pf2bc2r 2 месяца назад
How about if we ever discover the techiques immortalty ??,
@Lordidude
@Lordidude 2 месяца назад
@markhaunert5029 Still not accurate. Religion is an unintended side effect of various evolved traits we have. What's invented is dogma. But human tendency for religion is inate.
@Sunny-Smiles1234
@Sunny-Smiles1234 Месяц назад
I remember being 8 years old telling my uncle “what if you don’t really believe in god or anything?” Got yelled at for a while and punished by mom. Never told them how I felt about religion again. And also didn’t practice while getting really good at looking like I do practice.
@nude_cat_ellie7417
@nude_cat_ellie7417 Месяц назад
I hope that you don’t attribute the behavior of your mom to the God of the universe. Your mom is a flawed person. The perfect creator is not. Peace be with you.
@suesue3999
@suesue3999 10 дней назад
I was around 8 when I started to question it all, luckily my parents were reasonable when I would not go back to church.
@stargirl6659
@stargirl6659 Месяц назад
I recommend this to anyone who is dealing with years of feeling shame and guilt over one’s inability to “believe”. I’m glad that the word is spreading about the fact that some of us just can’t do it, no matter how much one may want and try.
@Earthling108
@Earthling108 Месяц назад
It takes time. I know some of it is BS. However, my belief came from the good changes it made in my life as it provided discipline.
@SuhamBello
@SuhamBello Месяц назад
Religious stories are actually a form of fairytales, meant to contain a teaching, a truth about our inner life. They are not facts, and taking them as such, strip them of any actual value they have.
@TheNightOwl01858
@TheNightOwl01858 Месяц назад
Haha I am saying it in a friendly tone so don't get offended. It is pure BS to say people who don't believe in god ''can't'' do so even if they want to because people 'do not' believe in God cause they do 'not want' to believe in stories that can be considered as realistic as a divine octopus that created the world while wearing a darth vader mask .(am joking ofc LOL ;) ) we are creatures that do what we WANT to after all .
@SuhamBello
@SuhamBello Месяц назад
@@TheNightOwl01858 it may be how words were used, but when I read “inability to believe”, I understood it as a refusal. You may want to and try to be part of the group by persuading yourself that you indeed will believe, but in the end, the need for authenticity is greater than the need for belonging, so you quit because you can’t do it. That’s why the feelings of shame and guilt. That’s how I interpreted the comment.
@MarioMedinaaa
@MarioMedinaaa Месяц назад
@@Earthling108 i thing being religious definitely makes life better, but at the end of the day it is always about faith, whether you take the leap of faith or not... some people might call it a philosophical suicide!!
@July41776DedicatedtoTheProposi
@July41776DedicatedtoTheProposi Месяц назад
As Mark Twain observed, did god f… up in creating man, or did man f… up in creating god.
@kelvinhooks9399
@kelvinhooks9399 Месяц назад
Yeah! That part!
@AlcibiadesMD
@AlcibiadesMD Месяц назад
The latter indeed.
@TheNightOwl01858
@TheNightOwl01858 Месяц назад
LOL
@user-bz7sf6ev2v
@user-bz7sf6ev2v Месяц назад
Damn
@katx97
@katx97 16 дней назад
The latter. It is assumed that when humans began to settle and to build communities after the last ice age, their new social structure was mirrored in the devine and their former belief system of ancestral spirits and the general sacredness of nature was replaced by actual gods. And when humans were in need of a leader, their gods also received a leader. And after several millenia some humans decided to get rid of every god except their leader and to condem everything else they used to believe in as "evil" - and that's how you get monotheism.
@user-el3rk6os3p
@user-el3rk6os3p Месяц назад
My religious upbringing resulted in being afraid of God, the devil, Gods judgements and eternal torment in hell. I’m not sure if I was born with the OCD tendencies or whether the religion caused it. My very first panic attack that I remember started after hearing a sermon about the unforgivable sin.
@cn728
@cn728 Месяц назад
The fear of hell and judgement has caused a lot of psychological problems for many people. You're not alone. It's abuse.
@user-el3rk6os3p
@user-el3rk6os3p Месяц назад
@@cn728 thanks I think it’s abuse too. Lately I’ve been finding comfort in the teachings of Eckhart Tolle. Basically that the fear of imaginary future suffering is an egoic concept.
@kingofnuggets7304
@kingofnuggets7304 Месяц назад
As a religious person with rumination ( I don't know about the other traits of OCD though , maybe there are but I just can't see them or they are non-existant ) , I think that the rumination is the cause for a lot of my religion-related negative thoughts , but it has also helped me quite a bit on my religious journey in very complicated ways that I don't know how to explain . Still , I don't know about you and I am just sharing my very individual-based experience , I hope you overcome whatever hardships you are dealing with and find the path that best fits yourself
@bobs182
@bobs182 Месяц назад
Religion is about belonging to and conforming to a group of people and their identity. The unforgiveable sin is about control and compliance to the group.
@fumarate1
@fumarate1 Месяц назад
your Journey sounds alot like mine.
@AlcibiadesMD
@AlcibiadesMD Месяц назад
“Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong.”- Christopher Hitchens
@nude_cat_ellie7417
@nude_cat_ellie7417 Месяц назад
I think…look to the most persecuted and you will find the true religion. In the west, at least, there is only one of them people are permitted to hate, and that is Christianity.
@SkyTheGuy8
@SkyTheGuy8 Месяц назад
What a blatant fallacy LMAO. "Since it is obviously inconceivable that all numbers are solutions to 2+2, the most reasonable conclusion is that none of them are"
@HereComesThe-Sun
@HereComesThe-Sun 29 дней назад
Or that maybe only one is right
@lari933
@lari933 24 дня назад
I think they all have a little bit of truth in them. Therefore they're all equally right and wrong.
@eggdealer5216
@eggdealer5216 21 день назад
​@@SkyTheGuy8 Comparing deities to maths... not sure if that's the route you wanna go down LMAO.
@annickbrennen8779
@annickbrennen8779 Месяц назад
The sexism and emphasis on female submission was the definitive, absolute non-negotiable point for me. I just could not reconcile myself to this narrow point of view. Especially when the consequences of these beliefs in real life had such a huge impact on the emotional and physical well being of my mother, myself, and my six siblings. My deconversion produced a huge scandal in the church, my husband being a pastor! I grew up with two brothers who themselves were pastors, my mother was an accredited evangelist. My youngest brother began pastoral ministry but did not last long in it. Religion was my minor while my major was business administration. So more than most, I knew the scriptures very well. Most of us left religion. Those who went back did so because of health reasons. They needed the prop religious circles offer. So, yes. I agree with the results of this study.
@Jesusisking1683
@Jesusisking1683 Месяц назад
I was born in a Sunni Muslim family though quite moderate one, yet I never believed it and always questioned it from as early as age 10-12
@missgirl1271
@missgirl1271 Месяц назад
Just a general question, do you think there was a reason or some factors that led to you disbelieving? Or did you just didn’t believe in anything from the start
@Jesusisking1683
@Jesusisking1683 Месяц назад
@@missgirl1271 I always felt it was strange and repulsive, and as I mentioned earlier the family was quite moderate so they never pushed me hard or brainwashed me.
@myst6387
@myst6387 Месяц назад
I also grew up in a Christian family, went to a catholic school, went to church every Sunday. In my early childhood I never questioned it but never really paid no mind either, then around 14 one day when I was at the hospital and I literally thought I was going to die I started to question everything about life and death and the afterlife and I think i realised that there was actually no garantee that a heaven or even god would exist for real.
@Jesusisking1683
@Jesusisking1683 Месяц назад
@@myst6387it's good to hear this, read Fredrick Nietzsche and Karl Marx , richard Dawkins they'll further clarify your concepts
@Jesusisking1683
@Jesusisking1683 Месяц назад
@@myst6387 where are you from?
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os 2 месяца назад
Leaving christianity. A literate 10-year old: "Why were Adam & Eve ashamed of their nakedness?" A literate teen at church communion: "This is the 'body' of Jesus? This is the 'blood' of Jesus? Well ok..." A literate adult: "You mean if someone never heard of God or Jesus & couldn't possibly know how to worship, repent, believe, or pray to that particular god, they would be doomed to hellfire?" It's all about critical thinking.
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp 2 месяца назад
Exactly, now it is your time to leaver this empty worthless cult called atheism that lead you to obsession for what other believe
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp 2 месяца назад
Just go
@starfishsystems
@starfishsystems 2 месяца назад
​@@Mar-dk3mp Just go what? Your suggestion is not useful.
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp 2 месяца назад
@@starfishsystems like your empty cult called atheism and what it gives to your life? Do not worry God will take care about you as well
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp 2 месяца назад
@@starfishsystems you are the worst generation into a cult
@justanothernarutofanbeliev9932
@justanothernarutofanbeliev9932 2 месяца назад
Poor people and people who are struggling are more likey to be religious than a person who is successful
@scottlocke3645
@scottlocke3645 Месяц назад
Jesus is a poor person's scratch off! They hope something will save them.
@scottlocke3645
@scottlocke3645 Месяц назад
Just watched the documentary Bad Faith. It's on prime but found it on another source for free called Tubi. I've followed politics for 40 years and this documentary wraps it all up. It explains how republican politicians have suckered and used religious people. Any adult that believes in Santa Claus has got to be more easily suckered. We'll they realized that and used them and here we are today. Hope you watch this. 😊
@Earthling108
@Earthling108 Месяц назад
Not always. The story of Buddha was a man who was once a prince with riches until he quit and went for monkhood in remote areas. There are plenty of people who have acheived all the wealth and they are wondering what is more out there. For that, there is spirituality not necessarily religion. So it is a flaw to believe that people turn to religion and spirituality when desperate and poor.
@Ky-tj6qt
@Ky-tj6qt Месяц назад
Not true in my country
@Ky-tj6qt
@Ky-tj6qt Месяц назад
Here religion makes us resilience and give hope to continue even when we struggle
@madamecurious
@madamecurious 2 месяца назад
I’m an ex-Jehovah’s Witness, I was born into this high control religion (cult). I believed everything I was taught. Reading the Bible woke me up and I realized, I was believing in fairy tales and fables. I also couldn’t believe in a loving, all powerful God anymore either.
@denz4133
@denz4133 2 месяца назад
Ex Mormon here with very similar story.
@madamecurious
@madamecurious 2 месяца назад
@@denz4133 , I’m glad we both left our religions - it was hard, but now I’m happy to be free!!
@abednegomosessuryanda2950
@abednegomosessuryanda2950 2 месяца назад
Same here, born in The Truth™, realized that the doctrines were not actually true, so I stopped believing.
@madamecurious
@madamecurious 2 месяца назад
@@abednegomosessuryanda2950 l‘m glad you too found your way out!!!!
@johngavin1175
@johngavin1175 2 месяца назад
Some of my relatives are Jehovah's witnesses. They seem very odd. They used to send my father Awake and Watchtower pamphlets in the mail all the time. My JW cousin lives down the street from me. She never mentions one of her sisters. She must have been excommunicated.
@robertblakeman9978
@robertblakeman9978 2 месяца назад
When I moved to a Muslim Country I realised just how completely indoctrinated I had become!! I'm a very happy Atheist these days!
@aboutface102
@aboutface102 Месяц назад
It’s amazing how indoctrination in others awakened you to your own.
@anonymous_4276
@anonymous_4276 Месяц назад
Very similar situation here, a change of country did it for me as well. I realised how full of BS and superstition other religions are and realised mine wasn't any different. I couldn't take the cognitive dissonance anymore.
@sylviaowega3839
@sylviaowega3839 Месяц назад
The other day when I conversed with one of my clients at work, that admitted to me why committed out of Islam soon after the moved to my democratic secular country. They told me that it was not until they moved here that they had been so severely indoctrinated.
@user-gx7yy9ws1s
@user-gx7yy9ws1s Месяц назад
I became an agnostic. I don’t have enough faith to claim there is no God / Creator.
@HereComesThe-Sun
@HereComesThe-Sun 29 дней назад
So you firmly don't believe in God even though you can't know for sure that he doesn't exist? Isn't it more reasonable to just accept that you "don't know", after all, the amazing world we have coming from nothing, (big bang) is about as probable as God having always existed. Plus I have many stories that make it pretty certain a spiritual realm exists, that don't even include the Bible, as ridiculous as it may sound
@swagmama408
@swagmama408 Месяц назад
This is awesome. I grew up Catholic, and honestly have felt guilty for abandoning belief in the religion, this explains so much. Thank you.
@MinneomaR
@MinneomaR Месяц назад
I was so religious growing up but after I finally accepted my sexuality the belief I grew up with made less sense.
@AbdulRahman-vy7ko
@AbdulRahman-vy7ko 9 дней назад
If you don't mind me asking, what was your religion?
@MinionofNobody
@MinionofNobody 2 месяца назад
I am a retired cop and a retired attorney. Like almost all attorneys in the USA, I have an undergraduate degree and a doctorate. I am a life long learner. I have been a heavy reader since I was ten. I watch educational videos and listen to lectures on a variety of academic subjects. I spend a lot of time thinking about all of these things. I was driving to work one day when I was forty. I wasn’t really thinking about anything. I was just drifting along. While I was stopped at a red light, it suddenly occurred to me that I no longer believed in God. The only emotion I felt was relief. I’ve tried to explain why I stopped believing a number of times. I had certainly had my face rubbed in the problem of evil for a long time. I won’t go into all of the details but I have PTSD as a result. I had encountered Christian ministers who were doing some decidedly unchristian and illegal things and who used their perceived positions of authority to try to avoid legal trouble. I had encountered religious figures from other religions under similar circumstances. I had encountered plenty of religious people who were hypocrites. I had seen the conflicts between different religions and within different sects of the same religion. I had studied enough about the history of Christianity to understand the origin of the books in the Bible. I was familiar with the ways in which many of those books had changed despite the assertions by Christian’s ministers that the Bible was the literal, inerrant, and unchanging word of God. I had studied enough history and science to see where the Bible was wrong. And, there was clearly a lot of stuff in the Bible that conflicted with history and science. There were conflicts between stories about the same events. I also had never seen any real evidence of God. All that I had seen, heard, and read from religious sources were explanations and proofs that ultimately failed to convince. There were always more rational, scientific explanations that better fit the observable facts. I guess it just hit a critical mass that day while I was stopped at a red light. I have honestly never missed religion. I have much more intellectual freedom to learn and explore new things without have to compartmentalize things to avoid conflicting with my preexisting beliefs. I don’t have to worry about somehow offending God in the process.
@SqueakyBarbarian
@SqueakyBarbarian 2 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing this. Sometimes I wish there was a way to find people like you of similar beliefs and experiences so we could have conversations about all of this. I don't want to chat with religious people, but I would welcome conversations about all these topics.
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
Most of your testimony is filled with disillusion of fake Christians who don't follow the Bible. Would you judge the moral character of an entire nation by an encounter with one person from that nation? I hope not. Read the Bible and ask genuine questions, ask away to your hearts content, but don't look at the sinful heart of human beings as representative of the Faith. Look to the example of Christ, He will not lead you astray
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
@@user-nz8uy1zm3z Reading the bible probably had a lot to do with his atheism, as well as his career. A cop sees a lot of horror that a god just cannot (will not) minimize or stop.
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
@@Sue-xv8os you're blowing smoke
@christinejarman-ok6me
@christinejarman-ok6me Месяц назад
What an unusually good story you don't here many these days, congratulations.
@DefinitelyNotJay3705
@DefinitelyNotJay3705 Месяц назад
I'm a Christian and this video was extremely interesting and informative. It's cool to know what drives people to and away from religion, thank you for posting 😁
@nickbarber3315
@nickbarber3315 2 месяца назад
People leave religion because they realize it’s bullshit, people join religion because they’re insecure. That’s what it really boils down to.
@alphaomega1351
@alphaomega1351 2 месяца назад
Most people don't join religion. Instead, they are indoctrinated into it by parent(s) during childhood. 😳
@Autistic_R4tard
@Autistic_R4tard 2 месяца назад
Having doubts about religion is the first step towards the truth.
@yasirrakhurrafat1142
@yasirrakhurrafat1142 2 месяца назад
Insecurity.. lol. You're too naive. I turn to religion, for the same reason most do. I'm just too honest about the cause though.
@Jake-mv7yo
@Jake-mv7yo 2 месяца назад
I don't think I've ever heard of someone joining a religion when their life was going ok. It always seems like some sort of tragedy or rock bottom moment that starts it. I think this is why religious conservatives want to take away the social safety nets and keep people poor and scared.
@jaredclark8335
@jaredclark8335 2 месяца назад
@@yasirrakhurrafat1142Okay, that reason being?
@Wkumar07
@Wkumar07 2 месяца назад
I was raised as an Evangelical Christian and at one time I studied (briefly to be honest) for the ministry. However, once I entered adulthood, and began looking at the world in new and different ways, I found that the faith I once held onto so deeply was no longer satisfying. Not only did it not answer my questions, but I now see that my old faith wasn't even asking the right questions I needed to solved. As a forty-year-old man, I find myself somewhere between a form of Christian humanism and Eastern/Stoic thought. I cannot be an atheist but I do not consider myself to be a devout believer.
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
may I ask why? I am also an evangelical christian
@Wkumar07
@Wkumar07 Месяц назад
@@user-nz8uy1zm3z I could write an autobiography on the subject. In order to remain quick and to the point my struggles with evangelical faith is based on questions regarding A) history, B) Science, and C) World Culture and how it relates to social change. I was raised in a small town in Oregon where it was easy to remain in the safe confines of evangelical faith. However, once I struck out on my own, I found that the foundation I was raised to believe in was not as sturdy as I was lead to believe. It was a faith constructed within a specific context like all other faiths.
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
@@Wkumar07 well, in order to discuss anything I think you'll have to be a little more specific. I have also been raised in the faith since I was born, but I have not come to the same conclusions. Belief in God is scientific and beneficial to humanity, and our knowledge of history only serves to support that fact even more.
@notbob6922
@notbob6922 Месяц назад
Look into esoteric schools, Christian mysticism, qabalah, Thelema, Jungian archetypes, Alchemy, tarot.. May help you make some sense.
@christyviolet926
@christyviolet926 Месяц назад
I’m not impressed with the churches anymore, not too impressed, period, yet cannot deny God, either. Basically, I feel that it’s good to keep your faith simple, keep it between you & God. You cannot depend on anyone else to truly be there for you, anyway, so I found that using my own judgment and/or God’s leading by that intuitive gut feeling is effective. There is a sea of Garbage Doctrine out there & I will not swim in it. BTW: I’m a 40-something & trying to heal from the spiritual abuse perpetrated by the people who were supposed to do their job. If I was a college-level instructor, they would have received a low failing grade from me.
@Crispycremes20
@Crispycremes20 2 месяца назад
It’s really scary how the studies highlight the “amazing believers” as those who typically gravitate to religion when dealing with trauma or grief. Christians know this and will “prey” on it. I heard from people for the first time in years when I went through a difficult time. They knew I was “vulnerable” and tried to bring Jesus back in
@VCLegos
@VCLegos 2 месяца назад
After I left I started to see this preying on the broken and it is really disgusting. It is much better in the long run to work through the pain, not mask it with false ideas of a bearded man in the sky.
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
is there anyway that these people simply wanted to take an opportunity to reach out to you and support you in a time of need?
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
@@VCLegos its not disgusting, its common sense. If you believed that meditation was a great way to deal with trauma then you would recommend meditation to neighbors and friends dealing with trauma. Thats exactly what Christians are doing
@VCLegos
@VCLegos Месяц назад
@@user-nz8uy1zm3z Helping people is a good thing and if Christians think that is what they are doing then I will give them that. However, Christianity is not helpful in the long term because it is based off a flawed doctrine with many, many errors in it. I want people to find true doctrines to follow because this leads to better outcomes in the long term.
@frederickfairlieesq5316
@frederickfairlieesq5316 Месяц назад
You have to remember that theists are theists because they believe it is true. They are victims of indoctrination just like you, so when they come to you offering Jesus as the cure, they actually believe what they are offering to you is a good thing. They are not secret atheists cynically using religion for their own advantage. Leveling that criticism against all theists is the atheist version of “you do believe in god; you’re just choosing to suppress the truth in unrighteousness” argument.
@Xenothy
@Xenothy Месяц назад
My conclusion after many years: I would say religion is a highly complex and deep topic! It needs many years to study - the philosophy, the history, the metaphors, the society of old times and so on. It needs time and work to understand. Most people that teach us about classical religions as children have never invested that time and don’t have the understanding themselves. They can’t give clear and logical answers to many questions. Many are f.e. Just a Christ or Muslim by birth, but never studied their book. Many have their knowledge from „someone who said…“ or tradition/culture. Many have a weird picture about what is god. It’s not a man on a cloud, and no regular human. God has no gender, it’s not even in our space and time, its above us, allknowing, above the universe….so it’s kind is unimaginable for many people because it’s too different from what we know. Some pray for god, some worship nature, some meditate, some manifest, some believe in Karma, some ask for energetic guidance. But if you look closer it’s all the same mechanisms in different forms. We are all connected as humans with the earth, with each others and as part of creation. I personally think that every person has some spirituality inside of them, maybe they just don’t understand it as religion. Religion can be totally beautiful and beneficial in many ways if practiced in a good way, like for sanity, for purpose, for health, for navigation in life, moral and self development. You can practice religion as something between yourself and your creator, with no force or harm to others. Stop think inside a small box or frame for what is religion :) Take different approaches and read many resources and ideas, try to see the arguments for and against a creator, listen to real educated religious people, their stories and always check their background. Me myself I was an atheist most of my life hating on religion, but the more I digged and learned about science, psychology, history, the world and and and the more religious and more happy I became 🫶🏼
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
Good comment. Beautiful use of words. However, you described most atheists when you mentioned different approaches, resources, and ideas; arguments for and against a creator, check backgrounds of religious people. At least that's my story. Do you study a bible? Do you have a favorite edition? (although most say basically the same thing)
@bubbercakes528
@bubbercakes528 2 месяца назад
I first started doubting the Bible when I heard the parable of Abraham. Still, I kept my belief until the age of 52. What made me leave Christianity? Reading the bible for myself and trying to become a better Christian!
@frederickfairlieesq5316
@frederickfairlieesq5316 Месяц назад
I want to thank everyone involved in the making of this video. The studies you mention ring true for me because they match my experience perfectly. As you said, Deconversion is often a solitary exercise which can lead to profound loneliness. After finally admitting to myself that I no longer believed, I mourned the profound loss of everything I thought was true up to that point. The world I once fit into perfectly became a sea of strangers. But every now and then I’ll see something like this video and be reminded that I’m not alone. There are millions of people out there who silently shared my experience.
@stephenpowstinger733
@stephenpowstinger733 Месяц назад
One of the main selling points of religion is the companionship. But I came to see the brotherhood or sisterhood of religion as superficial. They weren’t accepting me they were accepting a co-believer.
@karimuHamisi-z5h
@karimuHamisi-z5h 13 дней назад
Same here. We're normally discriminated only because we don't accept religious -- or holy -- NONSENSE.
@gabolifavmc
@gabolifavmc 2 месяца назад
I was introduced to the Evolution Theory when I was around 12, growing up in a religious household, it was the first time I saw a different point of view other than Christianity. It took me only about 1 year or less for me to ditch religion. I was the only atheist in school, I didn't have any peers who shared the same view as me at such a young age. Growing up, when I was about 16, I had some emotional problems and it led me to become religious once again, as if I had never been an atheist. It didn't take long till I left religion, I realised I let my emotions take control of me and that was unacceptable to me. I've always valued reason above all. Since then I've been an atheist and willing to never fall for religion again. Religion is dangerous, because it traps you when you're emotionally vulnerable, when reason isn't what runs your brain anymore. I recommend every atheist to keep reading, to keep up studying, to never take a break from knowledge, because if you get away from reason, your emotions might take control of you when you least expect and bring you into the prison called religion.
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
Christianity is far more reasonable than than any form of disbelief in God.
@gabolifavmc
@gabolifavmc Месяц назад
@@user-nz8uy1zm3z Sure, explain a few things to me: 1st, why would God allow animal suffering? 2nd, are you aware of the 5 mass extinctions earth has gone through? Why would a God destroy its creation 5 different times in a span of 500 million years? Are you aware he eliminated 99% of the species he's ever created, and it wasn't even at once. Ah, yeah, the dinosaurs were part of this. Anyway, this universe was not created for humans and it's more than evident, so no, there's no God.
@bearclaw5115
@bearclaw5115 Месяц назад
@@user-nz8uy1zm3z Yes talking snakes, virgin births, rising from the dead and thinking that your thoughts will change where you go in a supposed afterlife is all very reasonable. Religions are nothing but recycled myths created and consumed by the needs of people ruled by their emotions.
@whitemountainapache3297
@whitemountainapache3297 Месяц назад
With no religious belief to ground you, how did you stop yourself from doing evil, killing, robbing etc?
@gabolifavmc
@gabolifavmc Месяц назад
@@whitemountainapache3297 Not sure what you mean by evil, but the Qur'an says unbelievers should be killed, the Bible says several times stoning people is ok. The Bible also has several moral issues, such as the genocide of children. Religion doesn't prevent evil, religion is evil.
@surlycycler2213
@surlycycler2213 2 месяца назад
Thank you. You really nailed it. This is pretty much what I went through in my own deconversion. There were a lot of things that poked my mind in the church. Things that made me double take. Things that were said that were not right or just plane crazy. Just one day it all came together for me.
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
what specifically?
@yes4357
@yes4357 Месяц назад
Like what?
@valoranimo
@valoranimo Месяц назад
I was unreligious believer most of my life. The choice of connection to Church firstly was caused by my ideology, it was gradual. When I suddenly found myself (by my will) around other religions people, most of them were in Church since childhood. And at least half, maybe more of them isn't take this all serious enough. Month or two later I began to perceive religion more serious with mind and emotions too. Now, two years later I may say, that emotions is that can make you closer to Church but can't keep you in it for long. In period when I perceived my belief through my emotions, there was a lot of moments of despair. But now I'm trying to be realistic, and it helps me to be stronger in my faith.
@ae3
@ae3 Месяц назад
keep learning keep growing , much love
@user-wl9wq7xj7i
@user-wl9wq7xj7i Месяц назад
I like the previous comment: we are all born atheists but are forced to choose a religion we are told to follow. My mother tried to force her church on me but I never bought the nonsense they preached, even as a little kid. Took me years before I realised I was an atheist.
@priyanshjoshi7
@priyanshjoshi7 2 месяца назад
Ultimately, if you’re rational enough, you will see through religion right away. Otherwise, if you’re emotional, you won’t be able to.
@KAT-dg6el
@KAT-dg6el 2 месяца назад
Fear of a God and eternal torture. But he loves you. 🤔
@priyanshjoshi7
@priyanshjoshi7 2 месяца назад
@@KAT-dg6el Exactly. Most religious people are either God-fearing or extremely emotional so they won't be able to break this cycle of delusion, as the truth is often bitter.
@dontworrybehappy150
@dontworrybehappy150 2 месяца назад
​@@KAT-dg6el Your statement sounds like George Carlin. He was very funny talking about that.
@MrCanis4
@MrCanis4 2 месяца назад
@@KAT-dg6el The god of love. And then he drowned everything and everyone.
@MrCanis4
@MrCanis4 2 месяца назад
@@dontworrybehappy150 And he was more than just funny.
@MrCanis4
@MrCanis4 2 месяца назад
As long as there is a desire for A heaven and a fear of A hell, there will be A religion. I have neither.
@kellydalstok8900
@kellydalstok8900 2 месяца назад
They clearly haven’t thought out their idea of heaven, because after a few millennia it will be Hotel California: you can NEVER leave.
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
@@kellydalstok8900 why would you want to leave Heaven?
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
there are numerous religions that lack a heaven or hell, your critique is incomplete
@xtiannoregisteredsurname5124
@xtiannoregisteredsurname5124 Месяц назад
nothing to do with heaven or hell - just death, a fear of death and then nothingness - the heaven & hell part was invented by religion - for example the Sumerians didn't have heaven or hell and they pre-date judeo-christianity by millenia
@WeirdoVonWeird
@WeirdoVonWeird Месяц назад
Can you imagine groveling to a god that allowed the Uvalde school shootings? Fk that nonsense
@cristiantalero96
@cristiantalero96 2 месяца назад
4:46 This is exactly what happened to me. I couldn't lie to myself anymore. I couldn't reason such nonsense no more.
@MultiShell12
@MultiShell12 2 месяца назад
Yes! And it was a really sad place until with time it was a place of joy!! Freedom like I have never known!😊
@wayumin
@wayumin Месяц назад
And the fundamentalist christians will accuse you of never being a "true christian" or you just wanted to continue "a life of sin" ​@MultiShell12
@iced.autumn
@iced.autumn 2 месяца назад
I have a rather long religion story that idk if anyone cares or not, but if not, just don't read lol. Anyway... I had dated a guy a few years back for a few months and then things kinda fell apart. I ended up running into him again about 3 years after we had last spoken and he wasn't doing too great. I guess he had been in jail, homeless and had battled some drug problems. And as they always seem to do, he had found God in jail and was now pretty religious. I didn't realize just how religious he had become until after we hung out a few times. He was still having problems with a place to stay and was crashing at some old veteran guys place that had no running water. So I felt bad for him and invited him to come over for the weekend and bring any laundry he needed done. I also told him he was more than welcome to have a hot shower and I even fed him. Things were fine until religion came up and I told him that I completely respected his views, but I didn't share in them and I just couldn't make myself believe in any of it. He just looked at me with such a weird cold/sad look and said "Oh. You're one of those Science ones".... It was the strangest thing. This happened later in the evening and I could feel the shift in his whole attitude toward me. He just got really quiet and I told him that if it was going to be a problem to accept my feelings on it, then he was more than welcome to leave. He could just take his laundry and go and it was fine and I totally understood. It wasn't like he was obligated to stay or anything. After that he insisted it was ok, that he was just disappointed. Which I found laughable considering I was being more than generous to him and here he was looking down on me?? To put the icing on the cake, he ended up staying the night and do you know just how Christian he was? He initiated s3x and then literally could NOT leave fast enough that next morning lol! He also didn't text me again which was BEYOND fine with me 🤣🤣 Maybe this wasn't the best thing to share but I just wanted to get it off my chest. It really bothers me yet makes me feel relieved that I majorly dodged a bullet with him. I can't be with a fully grown homeless man who literally still believes in fairytales. But from my experience, Christians seem to be the most judgemental people when tbh I was being more "christian" than he was that night by trying to help him out. So yeah, apparently I'm one of those "science ones". I guess Atheist was just too dirty a word for his godly lips to say. Although he certainly wasn't too Godly in his actions the night before 😂
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
Every serious bible believer I've ever known has had some real sHitty Karma to deal with, due to their own bad choices. Home wreckers, adulterers, deadbeat dads... and prisons are full of them.
@LisaAnn777
@LisaAnn777 Месяц назад
Lol I've seen many people turn to religion after getting in trouble or even drug addiction. Even in prison a huge percentage of them end up in some type of religious beliefs by the end of it. Christianity is a big one because it is all about "forgiveness" so people with a guilty conscience find peace in that. Which if it works for them then great lol
@yes4357
@yes4357 Месяц назад
Sorry about him Christianity isn’t about Christians it’s about Christ don’t let someone saying there Christian and being hypocritical to reflect on all Christians.
@LisaAnn777
@LisaAnn777 Месяц назад
@@yes4357 I am so confused about christians, they want us to convert and follow the supposed Messiah yet they threaten us if they don't. Take for example what happens to the people who don't accept Christ, According to the Bible they burn forever, "nobody gets to the father except through me" which means they are sol and doomed. Which brings up the question, why would I want to even go to heaven? I'll go where they go. Christ be damned, I won't leave my family to suffer alone. The "narrow road" as the Bible claims, the vast majority will be in hell. None of it makes sense to me. Too bad there wasn't an all powerful being who could explain it to me 😢
@benimel3204
@benimel3204 29 дней назад
I’m sorry that happened to you. I hope your doing ok now.
@TheMaxymama
@TheMaxymama Месяц назад
I gave up religion because the teachings are rooted in fear, guilt, unworthiness, delegating your personal power to some outside force which you have no control over, and constantly being told to strive to be the "perfect person" like Jesus, never being enough as you are. I got sick of it. I've never been happier since letting go of religion. I'm not an atheist, i believe there's some higher power, just not what organized religion teaches.
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
Explain this "higher power" and how it relates to you and to the world.
@TheMaxymama
@TheMaxymama Месяц назад
@@Sue-xv8os I don't think it's a coincidence that everything in the universe works together and in a seamless fashion. Including the wonder that is the human body. There has to be some higher intelligence/architect/power that is within all of creation to create such synegy and order. I don't know though
@BubbaF0wpend
@BubbaF0wpend 2 месяца назад
I sometimes ask believers specifically why I need their god. I tell them belief in their specific god isn't required to live a good life, to help others, to be charitable, to be a productive member of society, to be happy, to be kind, to be financially comfortable, to be grateful, to be physically well conditioned. I am all of these things of my own volition, I just cut out the middle man. They struggle to answer, but with enough pressing it usually just boils down to fear of hell. Or, they try the "that's meaningless without objective purpose blah blah". But usually... hell.
@Autistic_R4tard
@Autistic_R4tard 2 месяца назад
The lose of a purpose, the realization of no eternal afterlife, the thought of the death of a loved one being the end of their existence. All things theism comforts with illogical thoughts created as a coping mechanism to give followers comfort to not shatter their delusions on reality.
@krisdiperna3929
@krisdiperna3929 2 месяца назад
"I just cut out the middle man" is a great way to explain things!
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
i think if you were honest you could say that you aren't a 'Good' person. You think mean thoughts, you give into bad habits sometimes, you sin like all the rest of us. You need Christ to save you from that sin, to cover the death-penalty we deserve for our sin. thats all
@Arvak777
@Arvak777 Месяц назад
That's a hard sell for Christianity because the first temptation was saying you can determine what is good on your own volition. Why is it good to be kind and charitable though? What makes that good. What if I say it's unproductive?
@alexisvalere4095
@alexisvalere4095 Месяц назад
Absolutely!👍✅💯
@Exjewatlarge
@Exjewatlarge 2 месяца назад
And then there are those of us who grew up with minimal religious exposure, became fundies as adults, and then years later, deconverted.
@If_u_censor_comment_I_unsub
@If_u_censor_comment_I_unsub 2 месяца назад
A person once exposed to the reality of this life can never truly believe in fantasies. It will be just pretending, because deep inside, they are aware that they are believing in nonsense. I don't think it will make them happy, because I know I will not be happy, believing in nonsense.
@MR-rj2qw
@MR-rj2qw Месяц назад
My family was never religious but my grandmother read the bible to me when I was in kindergarten. I thought it was something like the fairy tales written down by the Grimm brothers. Imagine my surprise when I was told otherwise. At 6, a friend from school said that after death I would be going to hell if I did not believe in God. I answered, if I am dead already then I do not care… I also observed that in conversations about religion the atheists usually do have better arguments. I feel like religion is a crutch we needed for some time during the development of our civilization. But now it does more harm than good.
@einienj3281
@einienj3281 2 месяца назад
Imo, It's emotions over facts, or facts over emotions.
@Mohamed-bm6yk
@Mohamed-bm6yk 2 месяца назад
In your opinion and your opinion isnt a fact it could be an émotion too
@einienj3281
@einienj3281 2 месяца назад
​@@Mohamed-bm6ykMy opinion is based on facts.
@Mohamed-bm6yk
@Mohamed-bm6yk 2 месяца назад
@@einienj3281 your expérience isnt a fact
@einienj3281
@einienj3281 2 месяца назад
​@@Mohamed-bm6ykI'm not religious. I go by facts, not emotions. Your personal religious experience is not fact or evidence. You should listen to this video again. It's a study with more than one person and their experience. You might not believe me alone, but there are millions like me out here. That should give some weight to it.
@Mohamed-bm6yk
@Mohamed-bm6yk 2 месяца назад
@@einienj3281 which study science studies destroy us destroy our teeth mutilate génitales of people making instant gratification that create narcissism psychopthy it make america libérate slave in a court term strategy which lead to the death of the fourth of their population it grow pollution and climate disaster it make everything matérialistic what it did it did nothing great
@jforrester1208
@jforrester1208 2 месяца назад
16 years of Catholic school and I never bought it. It all just sounded so silly.
@billybobwombat2231
@billybobwombat2231 2 месяца назад
I thank the catholics for freeing me of religion , specifically theirs, a great gift they never intended to give me 😂😂
@gregoryvanikiotis3214
@gregoryvanikiotis3214 Месяц назад
Man made nonsense?
@SuhamBello
@SuhamBello Месяц назад
For me, the main issue was the hypocrisy of religious people around me. Thus, religion felt more like a political party than anything else.
@titaniatixie
@titaniatixie 2 месяца назад
I've noticed that a lot of Christians have a hard time seeing the world from a different perspective other than Christianity. I don't mean this in a mean way, it's just that often times when I speak to Christians their worldview is very much dictated by their religion. And so for me at a very young age, I was able to see the world from a perspective outside of Christianity whilst I was still a Christian. I was often told that people who follow other religions are lost, but I didn't see it that way. I think that my ability to see outside of the Christian perspective whilst still being a Christian is what eventually led to me becoming an atheist. The avoidance to understand a different perspective I think comes from the fear of being "led a stray".
@eons8941
@eons8941 Месяц назад
Same with Islam to be honest
@Loveydoveyl
@Loveydoveyl 26 дней назад
@@eons8941Muslims are taught to acquire knowledge about not just their faith, but the world around them and to seek different perspectives. Not to say there aren’t Muslim fundamentalists who can’t see past Islam, there are plenty. But Islam as a faith teaches faith through reason and to be highly educated as much as you can be
@mynamejefffffff
@mynamejefffffff Месяц назад
i was raised catholic. i'd say i "became" an atheist when i realised people ACTUALLY believed in a god that could influence your life and that there was a heaven and hell. i thought it was just a moral philosophy with a bunch of fables to teach people about helping others... i can never see myself believing in god
@KAT-dg6el
@KAT-dg6el 2 месяца назад
We’re all born atheists. Then we “choose” the religion that we were told to believe in.
@thegametroll6264
@thegametroll6264 2 месяца назад
Most often society "chooses" our religion for us wether we want it or not.
@jmarshall3620
@jmarshall3620 2 месяца назад
Facts! It's eye opening when seeing it this way.
@leebennett1821
@leebennett1821 2 месяца назад
God is a tool to serve the vanity of Man to make him feel special in an Uncaring Universe
@KojLok-dy6gp
@KojLok-dy6gp 2 месяца назад
Actually, studies show the opposite.
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
that makes no sense at all. ask a 3 year old if they're an atheist or not, go ahead, make yourself look like an idiot
@andrewlim9345
@andrewlim9345 Месяц назад
As a Christian, this video was thoughtful and insightful into the notices for religious faith.
@yes4357
@yes4357 Месяц назад
Where does your faith come from?
@SMtWalkerS
@SMtWalkerS 22 дня назад
I was raised in a conservative religion, but my dad was a scientist and an atheist. My mom had us raised in her church, and my dad agreed and said we could choose what we wanted to do as adults (I had lots of siblings). He was very honest with what he thought, if asked, but he also gave my mom the greatest respect. I was a Christian for over 50 years, and I derived a great deal of positive things: community, comfort. I always had doubts and questions. I lost my faith gradually, and it was a lonely, solitary, and painful process. It was always the question: what is the reality? What is the truth?
@encarnacionvillazana3270
@encarnacionvillazana3270 2 месяца назад
🎶It's All about psychology baby🎵
@user-xu6bv7yh2j
@user-xu6bv7yh2j 2 месяца назад
Neuroscience
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os 2 месяца назад
Education & critical thinking.
@user-xu6bv7yh2j
@user-xu6bv7yh2j 2 месяца назад
@@Sue-xv8os And what happened in utero during the first 3 months of pregnancy is proving to have much more of an influence than psychologists and educators would like to believe - turns out the first 3 months in utero are enormous - there goes all the departments!
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os 2 месяца назад
@@user-xu6bv7yh2j Sure, but the genes always control the embryo. No gene controls education but humans are genetically capable of learning anything & needing to learn about their world, and unfortunately, infants, babies, little kids who are raised in environments where books & education aren't promoted, and religion is, are going to have a rough life.
@encarnacionvillazana3270
@encarnacionvillazana3270 2 месяца назад
Well, according to hormones, urges, natural attractions, it's all leading to psychology in decision making.. 😉😉
@timbuktu5505
@timbuktu5505 Месяц назад
Wow. He just psychoanalyzed my entire life. Oh I hated going to church praying to some guy on a cross. Made no sense. I was in first grade Catholic school. Forced to kneel sit stand pray confess. Confess to what I still don’t know. And that rosary… ugh. Virgin birth… please.
@bobs182
@bobs182 Месяц назад
Religion is tribalism. All the mental hoops are about committing to and submitting to the group.
@WeirdoVonWeird
@WeirdoVonWeird Месяц назад
Did you enjoy eating the flesh of Jesus? 🤮
@yes4357
@yes4357 Месяц назад
I don’t understand how you not liking catholic school as a child disproves Christianity. Most kids don’t like sitting in any school not just catholic. And just because you thought church was boring doesn’t mean it’s not right.
@yes4357
@yes4357 Месяц назад
@@bobs182 all of those seem boring for a 6 yr old
@cn728
@cn728 Месяц назад
I became an Orthodox Christian and met God in prayer and in the liturgy and I'm eternally grateful. I cannot deny God because I have experienced God's love for many years. His love is an energy which fills me with light, peace and happiness that I can not get from anything or anyone else. I wish every person on earth could experience this. His love changed my life like no human being ever could. I grew up without love, in an abusive family and had it not been for my conversion to the Orthodox Christian faith, I don't know where my life would be. I probably wouldn't be alive. I don't really care much about hell and eternal punishment and in my opinion, most people will be embraced by God's love in the end. Very few people will end up in hell, if anyone at all. God is too good.
@Nisa4444-h1v
@Nisa4444-h1v Месяц назад
I agree with you. While I’ve never been fond of organized religion, I immediately saw the hypocrisy and logical errors in most religious texts, spirituality saved me from the most traumatic time in my life, and I feel the love of my spirit guides every day. While yes, I did come to faith through trauma, I feel a knowing that I just cannot deny. It’s possible that my mind is simply making this whole thing up to help me through my trauma, but there’s no proof for that. Besides, if this whole thing is simply a projection of my mind, then my mind is doing something that is from my well-being, and questioning it will not help anything. It’s strange, because I feel that I fall into both groups. I feel that for me at least, spirituality is the truth. Sorry about grammar, I’m blind and using speech to text.
@jenathent4840
@jenathent4840 Месяц назад
Has god ever physically appeared to you? Do you have a picture of him?
@johnnytass2111
@johnnytass2111 Месяц назад
I wonder when I hear people say they have no fear of death, they truly mean they have abandoned any fear of Judgement. After all, when all one has is his life, fear of death, the moment it commences, is inevitable. Whereas the truly devoted I know do not fear death, they fear Judgement. Be blessed on your journey.
@juliemarkham4332
@juliemarkham4332 Месяц назад
​@jenathent4840 Why do you ask that - because they said they "met" God?
@WeirdoVonWeird
@WeirdoVonWeird Месяц назад
😂😂😂😂 personal experience is utterly worthless!
@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394
@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 2 месяца назад
How could an all loving, benevolent god allow the existence of Christian Nationalism?
@jakenolt8561
@jakenolt8561 2 месяца назад
The same way "He" allows liberal-progressive cult-like wokeists to divisively steal people's minds by falsely claiming systemic racism, and promising them things by robbing (taxing, borrowing against children) hard-working self-starting earners.
@johngavin1175
@johngavin1175 2 месяца назад
Damn good question. I dunno if he would or not. I'm leaning towards no.
@darladellana4961
@darladellana4961 Месяц назад
Thanks for making this video. I found it provocative and may rewatch it to more deeply absorb your main points to help me as I reflect on my personal journey with religion to atheist.
@shawnsimmons1308
@shawnsimmons1308 2 месяца назад
My first memories are of my deep interest with the innumerable patterns in pebbles and rocks and I became a dedicated collector of any and all unique rocks and pebbles that were filled with intricate and colorful patterns. I began collecting books and videos about geology. I also grew up in a very devout Southern Baptist family and was only allowed to have friends who were in the youth group in our church. I was taught in Sunday School that our planet was only a few thousand years old. But I had simultaneously learned how rocks and pebbles formed and how much time it took for these rocks and pebbles to form their colorfully complex layers and the information that was being drilled into my head at Sunday School wasn’t in agreement with what we can see with our own eyes about the formation of rocks and the composition of rocks and the layers that these rocks were formed in. So it goes without saying, once I reached the age of reason, I accepted the fact that religion was a human construct, no different from ancient mythologies and was written by people who did not have the information and the technology that we now have today. So to me, the only difference between religion and mythology is that the believers of mythologies are all dead while the believers of religion are still alive.
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
you don't have to believe in YEC to be a Christian. Its obvious that the universe if very very old, and that does not contradict the Bible
@bearclaw5115
@bearclaw5115 Месяц назад
Ahh, geology. The gateway drug!
@Thagomizer
@Thagomizer Месяц назад
​@@bearclaw5115Don't you have any idea how many pioneering geologists and paleontologists were Christian?
@razony
@razony 2 месяца назад
I'm asked almost weekly, what was the reason I stopped believing in Christianity. There are so many reasons why I left Christianity that I would have to write a book, to give all the reasons why I stopped believing. If I had to sum it all up in one word, it would be 'Reality.' Christianity has no basis in reality. Allegorical, subjective stories. The reason I believed in the first place? There was nothing else... till now. NDE'S, regression therapy (Reincarnation) Paranormal. It really is a new age and not the Dark Ages any longer.
@razony
@razony 2 месяца назад
@@einienj3281 Yup, maybe...
@oldpossum57
@oldpossum57 2 месяца назад
If you have rejected one irrational belief for others such as “NDE'S, regression therapy (Reincarnation) Paranormal”, then I suggest a comparison: an drinker who gives up hard liquor for wine is still a drinker. It is even easier to expose the irrationality behind all these “New Age” irrational beliefs, as there are no profound connections between them and our general culture.
@razony
@razony 2 месяца назад
@oldpossum57 I beg to differ. The veridical NDE's, Reincarnation and even the paranormal are phenomenal experiences that shouldn't be overlooked. Religion is/was beyond rational and logical. Like a badly written fairytale. Then there's my own personal experiences. If it was for those, I would be one radical, hardcore Atheist.
@rimbusjift7575
@rimbusjift7575 2 месяца назад
​@@razony You just swapped one line of magical thinking for another.
@oldpossum57
@oldpossum57 2 месяца назад
@@razony The second law of thermodynamics precludes all sorts of magic.
@anerkant
@anerkant Месяц назад
I am Muslim. I had doubts. Then i had deeper doubts about religion. After years of researching I am back to Islam. But this time got there with a totally different understanding of religion. One example: Although i am Muslim, yet i think that even christianity hinduism Judaism are sound. And believe me it is not so much superficial as it may seem to a college level student.
@shiny2401
@shiny2401 Месяц назад
Just out of curiosity, would you mind sharing on how did you come to the conclusion on the validity of all religions? As far as I'm aware, one of the fundamental principles of Islam is pure monotheism, the belief in Allah as the only God and only truth, acceptance of any other belief is shirk.
@worldwithoutwar8622
@worldwithoutwar8622 Месяц назад
Yes! I would imagine that you experienced something similar to me . . . a sense that when people throw away religion, they also throw away ALL spiritual values, ALL sense of ANYTHING sacred. (i.e they "throw out the baby with the bathwater", as we say in English. I have NO particular interest in any religion, think most of them are full of crap, but I feel the SEARCH, and the QUEST for the SACRED, and the SPIRITUAL, must go on both inside and outside of religion, with the churches (etc) AND the secular world. I now have very definite spiritual beliefs, all compatible with evolution, freedom from religious bigotry etc. I believe the Ten Commandments are just a psychological projection of HUMAN NEEDS onto The Great Spirit (who has NO NAME). Thus, I don't want you to sleep with my wife, because I am too jealous, so I ask to make that a rule to keep me safe. But there is NO 100% validity to this rule. If I am abusing my wife, and you and she really have a friendly, loving relationship and really should be the 2 people who should be in a sacred relationship, then you sleeping with her is not a "sin", whereas me, the abuser, sleeping with her, might be a "sin", a further ungodly abuse. Stealing guns away from potential murderers makes that stealing not a sin. Telling a lie to save someone's life is not a sin. The Ten Commandments are totally limited by being context bound.
@WeirdoVonWeird
@WeirdoVonWeird Месяц назад
An angel gave the Quran to your guy...in a cave, then he flew to heaven on a winged horse? Come on dude, you're better than that
@eons8941
@eons8941 Месяц назад
​@TheOrangeSphincter my exact thoughts before i become an ex Muslim
@atheistcomments
@atheistcomments 2 месяца назад
I'd like a deep dive into the psychology that is applied to get someone to believe religious claims. Coercion, hypnosis techniques, emotional manipulation. Things like that.
@jakenolt8561
@jakenolt8561 2 месяца назад
Indoctrination/brainwashing of poor unsuspecting children or youths results in hardwiring of their religious neural tracts. As adults they become intolerant and resistant to worldviews of others. This rises to the level of child abuse.
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
wth? hypnosis? have you ever been to real church? Do you think they have some dark room in the basement where followers go for their regular hypnosis sessions every year? lmao
@atheistcomments
@atheistcomments Месяц назад
@@user-nz8uy1zm3z You are clearly ignorant of the subject. I suggest you do some research before saying stupid things.
@aaronharlow2137
@aaronharlow2137 Месяц назад
Or, just educating yourself on what the relgion actually teaches? You'd rather rattle off a bunch of psychology conspiracy theories than look at the real reason people turn to Christ. Willful ignorance.
@atheistcomments
@atheistcomments Месяц назад
@@user-nz8uy1zm3z I said hypnosis techniques.
@DaadirHusseinRoorow
@DaadirHusseinRoorow 2 месяца назад
It proves that the muslims who say that ex-muslims "leave Islam for emotional reasons" are just horribly wrong
@allovdem
@allovdem Месяц назад
I'm an agnostic from a reasonably religious Muslim family, many vocal ex-muslims do leave for emotional reasons, the ones that leave for logic reasons aren't vocal, they just leave and carry on with their lives. Unfortunately, it pays to be a vocal ex-muslim these days.
@DaadirHusseinRoorow
@DaadirHusseinRoorow Месяц назад
@@allovdem give me one reason that is emotional for ex-muslims to leave Islam
@Loveydoveyl
@Loveydoveyl 26 дней назад
@@DaadirHusseinRoorowthe religious trauma they went through with their respective friends, family, community etc
@lugaritzbrown2250
@lugaritzbrown2250 2 месяца назад
A study should also be done on how some people can leave ALCOHOL while others can't.
@CorePathway
@CorePathway 2 месяца назад
Childhood trauma, with an assist from genetics.
@einienj3281
@einienj3281 2 месяца назад
There are studies about it. Addiction is a multi level illness.
@user-xu6bv7yh2j
@user-xu6bv7yh2j 2 месяца назад
@@CorePathway Ozempic show how food addiction can be treated - same with alcohol
@lugaritzbrown2250
@lugaritzbrown2250 2 месяца назад
@@CorePathway psychological element maybe.
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os 2 месяца назад
It's genetic. Pure & simple.
@Tamara-ju3lh
@Tamara-ju3lh Месяц назад
I was raised in a strict religion and there were always things I didn't understand. But taking phycology and critical thinking helped me see the inconsistencies in what I was taught. Taking world religions and then a class on cults sealed the deal for me. I'm too honest to pretend to believe in something that I don't think makes sense. A lot of the things I was taught contradicts studies, research and science. So yeah, logic was the basis of my deconversion.
@Tamara-ju3lh
@Tamara-ju3lh Месяц назад
No one I know who is still in the religion I was raised in (family, numerous friends) applies honesty and study to their faith. Anything that is contrary to their beliefs they shut down. When I studied phycology I really understood why they stay and go off of their emotions and what they want to be true.
@frqntplatypus7968
@frqntplatypus7968 Месяц назад
This is exactly what I told my parents as a teen. How can you possibly believe this book and its glaring contradictions?
@Truth-Over-Tea
@Truth-Over-Tea 15 дней назад
And they always respond with BS reasons 😢 "Do you think that you could out match the superiority of God?he is out of human reasoning and logic"😊
@karimuHamisi-z5h
@karimuHamisi-z5h 13 дней назад
You were a very smart kid
@crew-coloradoriverentertai5197
@crew-coloradoriverentertai5197 Месяц назад
Some would say young people move away from religion because they want to do things their religion says are wrong, "sinful." It's probable many young adults who choose to aschew their faith on the basis that "biblical stories are illogical" actually just want to commit any number of acts they were taught were sinful. Another issue is there are few good religious teachers, too many members of the clergy are ill-equipped to teach adults, let alone children, and intersperse their own interpretations of scripture to make it fit their personal needs or use biblical "rules" as a way to control parishioners rather than inspire them. Nothing sends people away from the church faster than hypocrisy and cherry-picked Bible verses used to further a personal agenda.
@thelibyanplzcomeback
@thelibyanplzcomeback Месяц назад
Hardship and trauma turn atheists into Christians and Christians into atheists. For me, it was the latter, though many other things got me to convert.
@MrArtist7777
@MrArtist7777 Месяц назад
I grew up mostly secular/non-religious but as I studied astronomy and science, I came to realize, personally, not emotionally or socially, that God is real and does exist and has visited and spoken to people throughout human history, and created all. The thought that trillions of stars and planets came into existence from absolutely nothing, was mind bending and insane, but to think most religions are true, is just as insane.
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
Then do you read a bible?
@nipolitayeng
@nipolitayeng Месяц назад
As a 15 year old teenager whose parents are Christian,buddisht,hindu,Donyi poloist I was a confused child and still now as a teenager I cannot decide which god should I lean on to but due to this omnist view by my parents I view god as an energy,a viewpoint or a deep psychology."knowing God" for me is knowing oneself. For me religion is a channel , an external way to connect with oneself and our conscience and unconsciousness .I still dont get religion but maybe in the far future when I am a grown adult I will learn or maybe not? Maybe i will turn an athiest? Am i already an atheist?
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
You are a searcher, a seeker. You want the truth. You are asking the right questions. Listen to your logical self.
@karolinaska6836
@karolinaska6836 Месяц назад
I was religious because i liked how it made me feel. The emotionality of really good religion kept me coming back. I would seek religion elsewhere or other religion when my emotionally needs weren't being met. I deconverted from religion when i realized i was willingly allowing myself to be manipulated into a world view i didn't believe, just to keep hitting that emotional high.
@thethrowbackguy4319
@thethrowbackguy4319 Месяц назад
Then you were never religious😂
@grahambuckingham7295
@grahambuckingham7295 Месяц назад
There have been about 3,000 religions. Which one is right?
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
Same with gods.
@patrickbateman6080
@patrickbateman6080 Месяц назад
Well my book says my religion is the correct one and I’m going to get into paradise and you’re not so (satire).
@karimuHamisi-z5h
@karimuHamisi-z5h 13 дней назад
No religion is the ultimate truth. Each of them is a mixture of good and bad
@toughenupfluffy7294
@toughenupfluffy7294 2 месяца назад
Security, joy, purpose, self-discipline, fellowship, love: none of these require belief in superstitious nonsense.
@yes4357
@yes4357 Месяц назад
How is it nonsense?
@drewjames1778
@drewjames1778 2 месяца назад
This is such good content! Thank you for your work!
@ivfchic3316
@ivfchic3316 Месяц назад
This was a great video and I agree. Most (not all) of the the religious people I know are dealing with some sort of trauma
@Magik1369
@Magik1369 2 месяца назад
We are in fact spiritual beings having a temporary human experience. We are born in a state of unity and Oneness with ourselves, our Mother, Nature, and G-d. Then the ego begins to develop around 2-3 years old. As we are forced into society around 5 years old when we are put in school, we quickly learn that our instincts, emotions, and feelings are not welcome in our spiritually dead society. We learn to repress our energies. In doing so, we create the unconscious mind and we simultaneously block ourselves off from the Divine spark located deep inside the heart. This is why most people don't know they are cosmic spiritual beings. The Core Self or Soul is frozen and dormant in most people. A lengthy and arduous process of Self Realization reunites the ego with its Source...with its own Soul Core. Everyone is evolving and is at a different level of consciousness. People at the lowest level of consciousness gravitate to religious myths to give them a sense of meaning. An atheist is a little bit more evolved in that they have reached the rational level of consciousness. A Self Realized person is much more highly evolved than everyone else. Yet Self Realization is not the end...but a new beginning.
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
The infant is born egotistical. It has to be in order to continue to survive.
@Nisa4444-h1v
@Nisa4444-h1v Месяц назад
You are the only person who I’ve ever met that gets it! Wow, that was awesome.
@patrickbateman6080
@patrickbateman6080 Месяц назад
So what happens after we die?
@gaagsl
@gaagsl 2 месяца назад
I think, every dead person that you see, every funeral that you attend, you see your own future. You "live" your own dead when you see people dying. That freaks the shit out of people. Religions claim to have a solution for that. Even if you think there's a possibility that the afterlife is just bullshit you go along with it, because it gives consolation.
@agiraffe3673
@agiraffe3673 2 месяца назад
And the “knowledge” that you will see your loved ones after death, both yours and theirs. It is comforting for some people, but I just can’t buy into it. Sometimes I think it would be nice though.
@espenstoro
@espenstoro 2 месяца назад
I've done both, so this makes sense.
@Dontclickmychannellll
@Dontclickmychannellll Месяц назад
Same bro
@td9302
@td9302 Месяц назад
welcome to the club, me personally, I stayed as a believer after exploring philosophy, metaphors, history and piecing together what religions are and what the knowledge that lies inside of them is. I think God is real and I believe in the Christian God, Jesus Christ, because of the fruits of the work. Muslims that I have seen are bloodthirsty and kill those who disagree. Christians that I have seen the worst of shun and mock but do not kill and do allow for forgiveness. I cannot speak about the other religions yet because I have not seen. Book of Revelations 22:21. God be with you all, Amen.
@user-dt9qo3sm4z
@user-dt9qo3sm4z Месяц назад
@@td9302 Muslim here :/ you met dumb muslims don't listen to em
@maseehwardak6055
@maseehwardak6055 Месяц назад
​@@td9302your information about Islam is wrong.
@MrYFM2
@MrYFM2 Месяц назад
Most atheists were also subjected to a lot of bullying, abuse, and trauma from religious people/ groups.
@ronholfly
@ronholfly 2 месяца назад
I came into being through my father and mother, I have lived and experienced many things and my life is coming to a close. I have no recollection of a life before my birth therefore I cannot conceive another life after my death.
@j.k.cascade2057
@j.k.cascade2057 2 месяца назад
Right. for all of us. Q: remember what it was like before you were born ? A: that is what it will be like after you are dead.
@ronholfly
@ronholfly 2 месяца назад
@@j.k.cascade2057 Did'nt you get that bit, it was plain enough? For every living thing there is nothing before birth and there is nothing after death. I cannot say it any other way?
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
just because you can't concieve it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
@ronholfly
@ronholfly Месяц назад
@@user-nz8uy1zm3z Very true, but I am a realist.
@billygr7628
@billygr7628 Месяц назад
Every one of us is born without programs. Religion is a program. Religion is one that is put in our heads as we're growing up.
@mayagoodson
@mayagoodson Месяц назад
I was a lonely individual that thought very logically about what I believed and what others believe. Spent nearly a decade self-studying religion, philosophy and psychology. I knew that being comfortable wasn't necessarily an indicator of being correct. I didn't want my emotions to led me to something that wasn't true. It was logic and reason that led me to become a follower of Christ.
@traildoggy
@traildoggy Месяц назад
Even as a small child it really worried me that adults seemed to really believe these biblical stories. It kind of freaked me out right from the start. The idea that a man was ready to kill his son because of a magic bush and a voice in the sky (or his head), and only stopped when the voice said it was just testing him seemed absolutely nuts. Then they let you know it was God making his first appearance in ages. I sort of worried what would happen if this God voice decided to test my dad. All of it... making everything in 6 days, making eve from a rib, evil snake story, staff turning to a snake, river parting, calling down plagues, all sorts of lights in the sky, resurrection of the dead, some friends thought God had one part but others thought 3... I was always just dumbfounded that they believed in it all.
@notaperson8632
@notaperson8632 Месяц назад
It’s so sad to see so many of you lost , I pray that God will reveal himself to you one day, I really do
@breakfasttequila
@breakfasttequila 28 дней назад
Nobody's lost. Everyone chooses their own path, and they have their contrasting ideas and beliefs
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os 27 дней назад
Awww! Thanks so much for praying for all of us "lost". So sorry we make you feel "sad". Awww.
@Kaurenjalalifarahani
@Kaurenjalalifarahani 26 дней назад
oh my dog , sorry, ill hope your dog will come and see us one day 😢
@prophecybydefault4708
@prophecybydefault4708 26 дней назад
Which one
@non452
@non452 2 месяца назад
It seems they didn’t really go into much of the converted atheist. For me I’ve gone back and forth, specifically my conversion was based on what I perceived as a miracle. As well as realizing that fundamental principles of Christianity are true. It had nothing to do with joining a social group/being influenced by someone.
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley Месяц назад
Our story begins: "In the beginning, a male Hebrew god named Yahweh who always existed, created the heavens and the earth out of nothing." We know this is true because it says so in the book that we are reading. If you don't believe this god exists outside the pages of this man made book then eternal damnation awaits you.
@Kushmeiser003
@Kushmeiser003 Месяц назад
Not atheist but not religious either, spiritually enlightened
@WeirdoVonWeird
@WeirdoVonWeird Месяц назад
Equally nonsensical
@user-kb6yb6ey8q
@user-kb6yb6ey8q Месяц назад
​@TheOrangeSphincter Not really true spiritual people are less likely to do things because of dogma.
@WeirdoVonWeird
@WeirdoVonWeird Месяц назад
@@user-kb6yb6ey8q that's a fair point
@stevenfaw8535
@stevenfaw8535 Месяц назад
Those that apply logic and science and reason to religion, of course, will find fault in their religion. Sciences, understanding the physical world. religion is for understanding the metaphysical world.
@finaututone4502
@finaututone4502 Месяц назад
This is a topic that is beyond our human capacity to comprehend. Fundamentally religion is a revelatory transcendent gratitude in existence and of being itself “I am that I am”. If you contemplate the countless tragedies that beset our societies you can find its root in the loss of genuine connection and reverence to the transcendent greatest good.
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
Why are the most peaceful countries in the world the least religious? This is a fact, by the way.
@pacogomez1624
@pacogomez1624 Месяц назад
the poorest countries are black, don’t let correlation lead you to causation
@finaututone4502
@finaututone4502 Месяц назад
⁠@@pacogomez1624poor in what way? You referring to materialism? You can live in a “less developed” country but still have a vibrant community full of love and genuine care for one another. The problems I refer to stem from hate, resentment, jealousy, greed etc. This is due to the loss of acknowledgement and respect for one another as beings. Treasure our collective existence.
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
@@finaututone4502 Materialism is important. You cannot live comfortably without reasonable shelter, or kitchen items to cook food, or clean clothes, or a bed of some sort.
@finaututone4502
@finaututone4502 Месяц назад
@@Sue-xv8os obviously our basic needs are to be met. I’m not sure if you’re playing stupid with me but I was referring to consumer materialism. You can look up its definition
@noeditbookreviews
@noeditbookreviews Месяц назад
As you said, truth and integrity. It's that simple. Even if I wished I was a believer, I understand that it's bullshit and that can't just be stuffed away into the depths of my subconscious.
@Ex_christian
@Ex_christian Месяц назад
There is no truth or integrity in the Christian cult……. I learned that over 30years.
@leebennett1821
@leebennett1821 2 месяца назад
Emotions pure and simple
@Thagomizer
@Thagomizer Месяц назад
This is why every atheist is angry at God due to some personal tragedy, right?
@leebennett1821
@leebennett1821 Месяц назад
@@Thagomizer this is sarcasm right? How can I be angry at something that doesn't exist you are Delusional
@patrickbateman6080
@patrickbateman6080 Месяц назад
@@ThagomizerI’m not angry at all. I see “god” as a comforting coping mechanism for billions of people
@SugarcideAnimations
@SugarcideAnimations 23 дня назад
@@Thagomizerthat’s not home burn atheist works… they can’t be angry at god because they don’t believe he even exists. They just don’t care about the concept of a higher power.
@yana5944
@yana5944 Месяц назад
i was confirmed and two weeks later told my mom i didn't believe and wasn't going to church anymore. a week later she told me the same.
@Swann_bss
@Swann_bss 27 дней назад
I’m glad my family never taught me about Christianity, she didn’t believe in it herself, instead my mom taught me about spirituality, ancient practices, the roots of where Christmas actually came from, sometimes she did reference the bible because the stories do teach lessons but she never made be believe in Jesus, I’m fully spiritual now and believe in something greater than us, an energy, maybe it’s the universe or maybe something bigger, I thank the universe instead of god and some of my friends thought I was crazy, but I found my spiritual friends now and I really learn more about spirituality every single day.
@Robert-xs2mv
@Robert-xs2mv 2 месяца назад
Atheist is just a meaningless name given by the religious to those that hold their faith in reality. Just because one does not subscribe to a Deity, prophets and doctrine, does not imply the person does not have a spiritual faith.
@warren52nz
@warren52nz 2 месяца назад
Or put more simply: Everyone is born on "The Brain Train" eager to learn about the world we live in. Some find it too hard and jump off the train in favour of believing it was all done by an omni-absent magician. That avoids all that tedious learning stuff!
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
sounds like the "Brain Train" is quick free pass to the fiery depths of Hell. I'd rather jump off and walk the harder, narrower road that leads to truth, than the wide well-trodeen path that leads to destruction
@liluths4601
@liluths4601 Месяц назад
Wish some studies would be specifically on other religions that christianity too
@Arrwmkr
@Arrwmkr Месяц назад
As an amazing believer, I think a false understanding of the Bible, especially a fundamentalist reading of religion, is indeed a driving cause for amazing atheists. For me, having moved from a confirmed Atheist to believer, it was studying the Bible within its ancient near East history and culture and well as learning about literary genres and features, that has helped me to understand the Bible in particular, on its own terms. In this way, the Bible becomes alive with meaning that makes sense. Ironically both atheist's and fundamentalists, in my view, make the same mistake is literalistically reading scripture. This video focused on amazing atheists, I'd love to hear more about the study on amazing believers. Certainly my spiritual awakening had nothing to do with a need for community though I do think this a good thing. I also agree that believing isn't a wholly rationalistic process but it's not irrational either.
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
The bible "becomes alive with meaning that makes sense"? Just for starters, how do you make sense of Noah's Ark myth?
@Arrwmkr
@Arrwmkr Месяц назад
@@Sue-xv8os thanks for your questions Sue. While I can't do this question justice in a short comments section on YT, I'll make a quick start for you to follow up. Genesis is full of stories understood by studies of ANE literary forms as epics, myths and so on. These literary forms typically communicate big ideas via this story form. Look at the story of Noah's Ark, it has no historical markers, it simply starts with... In the days when... This is an epic poem that tells the story of a faithful person living in a place overcome by evil. Perhaps Noah is an honest person working in a large bank in which profits over people and everything else is all that matters! So I think your question is, did this literally happen? That is not the quotation nor the point of the text. Nor is it a question that the original audience would have asked. I don't know if there was an epic flood? The story says the flood covered the world. The world in those days was the ANE, they didn't know about Australia where I live :) Again, the question is how did this story function for the fledgling Jewish community. The most interesting thing to me is that Noah isn't idealised in the story. Instead he is shown after the flood to be a drunk who has to be covered over by his children. This is something we see in the Bible constantly, it defies convention, instead of turning the hero into a hero as was typical on ANE traditions, his humanity is laid bare to all (pun intended).
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
@@Arrwmkr Do you believe the bible is "The Inerrant Word of God"?
@Arrwmkr
@Arrwmkr Месяц назад
@@Sue-xv8os that's a dogmatic question and somewhat philosophical. First what did you make of my response to your first question?
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os Месяц назад
@@Arrwmkr Not at all dogmatic. You either believe that it's the Word of God, or you don't and if you don't, how do you know the difference? How do you pick and choose? How do you find the truth, if it's got errors? As far as your comment about Noah not being idealized, then why does the bible say that "Noah was a just man and perfect; and Noah walked with God"? (Genesis 6:9) Of course that culture knew nothing about Australia. They knew nothing about a lot of things, actually, but the bible specifically states that "the flood was 40 days upon the earth (Genesis 7:17) and the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth...and the waters increased greatly upon the earth, and mountains were covered with the flood", so why are you unsure if this really happened? It's in the Gideon's Bible, the RSV, the Good News Bible, the NIV, and the Living Bible, Catholic Edition. Why the uncertainty?
@iitywybmad29
@iitywybmad29 2 месяца назад
How can a god be strong if it needs my faith for its own existence? Does that not show that gods only exist within your mind? If you are ruled by fear, is that not coercion? Is your faith not vanity? Do you ask "how can it be if not for superstition"? The mystery itself is the doorway to all understanding. When superstition closes the door, then truth and understanding can never be found. We live in a natural world. Not a supernatural one. The existence of something is not evidence of anything other than its existence. The natural world existed long before man created the superstitions. I do not follow gods as I have no need for them. I believe in those things that I am able to observe. I have knowledge of them. How can superstition be knowledge? Is it not a source of contention?
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
Why do you think God needs your faith to exist? He does not. He wants you to put your trust in Him because He loves you, and wants a relationship with you. There is a multitude of evidence for the supernatural world, seek and ye shall find.
@iitywybmad29
@iitywybmad29 Месяц назад
@@user-nz8uy1zm3z I prefer eastern philosophy to near eastern superstition. I believe that the abrahamic religions are the evil in the world.
@bobs182
@bobs182 Месяц назад
@@user-nz8uy1zm3z God and an imaginary god are indistinguishable.
@tawanakombora_19
@tawanakombora_19 Месяц назад
​@@user-nz8uy1zm3z How do you know "god" wants what you say
@user-nz8uy1zm3z
@user-nz8uy1zm3z Месяц назад
@@tawanakombora_19 I do my best to align what I say with with the Holy Spirit and scripture, which is the word of God.
@thedrewbster8636
@thedrewbster8636 2 месяца назад
I really like the term "moment of truth". I remember when it happened to me. My de-conversion was relatively quick, lasting only about 5 or 6 months. But when the moment of truth hit, boy did I feel it 😂. It feels like getting a bucket of water splashed onto your face while you're sleeping.
@DIBBY40
@DIBBY40 Месяц назад
I was an evangelical Christian years ago. Also gay. I left because it just didn't work for me anymore; my life miserable. I also had a couple of spiritual experiences and experiences with the Divine that were not like my religion told me. So it was both for me: emotional and the search for truth. I'm still on that journey. Wouldn't have missed it for the world. ❤
@tamziewijesuriya3285
@tamziewijesuriya3285 Месяц назад
That's a tough space to occupy! But it's also cool when your experiences force you outside what you have learned so far ne? Wishing you all the best on your quest!! 💖 May you find the whole truth
@longlakeshore
@longlakeshore 2 месяца назад
I cannot live a lie. The most massive lie is religion. It was a slow process but I realized it by age 14, Amazing aren't I? The truth set me free.
@Autistic_R4tard
@Autistic_R4tard 2 месяца назад
Painful right? That existential crisis of there not being an afterlife, the death of a loved one is the end etc
@Nrev973
@Nrev973 Месяц назад
I was raised seven day Adventist and the house of cards came tumbling down the moment I dated a Muslim girl. How can I say she was wrong and I was right so I went searching for answers until I realize there was no empirical evidence for Christianity. Nine years later, I am looking forward to joining the Catholic Church in full communion. My protestant upbringing was not sufficient. I needed the whole truth of Christianity to stimulate my insight and to move my will. Christus Rex ☦️
@Andre_XX
@Andre_XX Месяц назад
Have you studied the French Wars of Religion to see what your beloved religion is capable of?
@BriannadaSilva
@BriannadaSilva Месяц назад
I would fit into this "amazing apostate" category and everything here resonates with my experiences.
@bonniepinney2884
@bonniepinney2884 Месяц назад
I was raised without religion but i always really really wanted to be a devout Christian. In started attending church and studying the Bible, but when confronted with the horrors of real life i came to the only conclusion i could. There is no god. I can't unlearn that, and i can never go back no matter how badly i may sometimes want to.
@Cupcake0228
@Cupcake0228 Месяц назад
I relate so much to what you are saying I can't just unlearn that there is no God I try to be practising hindu but it just impossible for me 😅
@chocolatehersheykiss7412
@chocolatehersheykiss7412 Месяц назад
People who left religion were in it for years/decades.. So we already know what it’s all about.. People coming in are new so they have no idea on how it really is…But eventually they’ll find out in due time..
@Thagomizer
@Thagomizer Месяц назад
Then why are their arguments usually so shallow? Being jaded is not being wise.
@chocolatehersheykiss7412
@chocolatehersheykiss7412 Месяц назад
@@Thagomizer being jaded is a part of life.. What you have to take in consideration of what made you feel that way and why..It depends on the situation that’s makes your decision wise or not.. In this case religion jaded a plethora of people and our best decision for ourselves was to leave and not continue subscribing to religious dogma,tyranny,and psychological abuse..
@chocolatehersheykiss7412
@chocolatehersheykiss7412 Месяц назад
@@Thagomizer You don’t know how we are jaded so how is a natural human emotion not being wise???It’s your actions afterwards.. Leaving was a smart option.. Staying with whatever made you jaded is unwise..
@maseehwardak6055
@maseehwardak6055 Месяц назад
Many have become religious and died religious, you are not thinking critically
@chocolatehersheykiss7412
@chocolatehersheykiss7412 10 дней назад
@@maseehwardak6055elaborate how I’m not thinking critically in your opinion..🤔🤔
@vegasflyboy67
@vegasflyboy67 2 месяца назад
All you need to do is look at the stock market to realize people are irrational.
@nelsonkim8561
@nelsonkim8561 2 месяца назад
😂If I my ask, why the stock market?
@vegasflyboy67
@vegasflyboy67 2 месяца назад
@@nelsonkim8561 Markets are moved by psychological factors-not just rational actors.
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